We talk about side projects adjacent to your day job, consumerism, and what countries are doing well with energy.
We talk about side projects adjacent to your day job, consumerism, and what countries are doing well with energy.
Georgie 0:00
George. Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of toast and roast. I'm your co host, Georgie, and as always, apparently I'm here with Geoff. Hello.
Geoff 0:21
Yeah. How's it going? It goes,
Georgie 0:24
it's, uh, it's, it's steaming hot,
Geoff 0:29
yeah, coming back from Perth, it's like a bit whack. It got cold there, and then we came back, and it was cold here for a while, and now it's just stinking hot.
Georgie 0:44
Stinking hot. Yeah, you know what? You know what that reminds me of? I don't remember who it was, but in the fenders slack of which I have possibly abandoned, but it won't go there a really long time ago, I would say, like, before pandemic. Someone said, What is with the greeting Warm regards? Like, why is it why is it warm? Like, why isn't it like, ice cold? Why isn't it hot?
Speaker 1 1:17
And then somebody said, steaming hot pile of regards.
Georgie 1:21
I can never hear that every time that someone says Warm regards, just like, why is it warms?
Unknown Speaker 1:32
Weird? It's like the word moist.
Geoff 1:35
Yes, found out. I mean, you can kind of surmise that, you know, people being warm to each other is a mark of closeness and or happiness. So kind warm, kind of similar. Also realize that the some guy in the fenders slack is the creator of pmpm. And we don't have to go into what that is, but it's a technology that we use quite frequently,
Georgie 2:09
but I don't know. Wait, so Wait, someone in there has literally, like, was, literally, yeah, it's the original author
Geoff 2:15
pmpm. Wait, do I know this person? He, or he was, he was asking about job. He was like, is he asking about interviewing? He's based, I mean, via his local
Georgie 2:33
time? No, I don't know him,
Geoff 2:37
because maybe I don't know you have to jump on the slide.
Georgie 2:43
I feel like I'm still logged in there, but I haven't looked.
Geoff 2:46
Yeah, he's like, dude, Does anyone do outside of work projects anymore? And then, because he might think, he thinks that this might be important for, you know, getting a new job, and whatever. And then, and then someone looked at his resume, and he was and they were like, you just need to tell them you made PMPM and you golden, right? Like, what more do you need than, like, a big, shiny diamond on your on your resume? Pmpm. Long as the
Georgie 3:21
PM, oh,
Geoff 3:23
has it been around long? That's what I thought. Because, like, I have in the last 510,
Georgie 3:26
years, like I've heard of it,
Geoff 3:30
yeah, yeah. But yeah, I've been, I don't think it's necessary to have side projects. But again, I mean, in the industry, I
Georgie 3:43
think we're in, we're in an era where people don't give a fuck about this kind of thing anymore.
Geoff 3:48
Like I don't even, whenever I interview people, I don't look at it, yeah, any other side project?
Georgie 3:53
So I surmise we are in a burnout era. I don't know when this happened. Maybe this was like after COVID, but I theorize that side projects used to be a thing that kind of, yeah, would make your regime look all sparkly and shit, because you did some extra stuff on the side. But now, like people who were in the industry then, are probably now, well, are older. Some have, like, families and kids and stuff, and quite frankly, like, have progressed in their careers such they don't need those things to, like, look impressive and don't have the time. And then, I think the younger generation have generally be known to be a bit more like, Hey, I care about my mental health. So, like, I'm not going to, you know, pour hours into something not, at least not for the purpose of looking all like, shiny and like, professionally, like, I do more things outside of work. They would literally do together,
Geoff 4:58
fun. Yeah, yeah. I guess most people who, like, ask this question have been in the industry for about a few, like, maybe 10 plus years, but and have that same mentality as they were looking for like, jobs about, like, maybe five to eight years ago. Yeah. So they'll be like, Oh, do I still need to do this? Probably, I don't think
Georgie 5:23
anyone needed to do it. My
Unknown Speaker 5:26
like, hey, quick question for you.
Georgie 5:30
When was like, Yeah, did you have side projects early? And I assume you did because you freelanced so
Geoff 5:37
well. They're not side projects because someone paid me to do it.
Georgie 5:40
When did you, how about when did you stop having any kind of,
Geoff 5:45
almost exactly when I got, like, so when I was doing it for myself, I was like, serving an online community, And that was just a means of just, you know, having a chat with my friends, yeah. And then once I got started getting paid to do projects, freelance, the those type of things, I didn't need to do as much because I, I mean, I already set up the community, so I didn't do anything with those so yeah, pretty much when I got paid to do it, or maybe I never needed to do side projects to get a job. You know what I'm saying? Like I did the forums and stuff for me. Yeah, and no one ever really looked into my employment projects outside of the ones I got paid for. So that was actually building my resume already, and as far as I as from there, I was like, Okay, well, my my previous work history speaks for itself, kind of but, yeah, I've never actually completed any of my side projects that I've started, so I can't use them really, like,
Georgie 7:05
also, I'm whoever started this. I hate you. Like, I
Speaker 1 7:08
don't know. We must be able to trace it back to one individual person who was just like, I will show this to prospective employers.
Georgie 7:15
And then, anyway,
Geoff 7:18
I mean, it's, it's kind of like art art because you have to have kind of like a portfolio for art to show you can do. Yeah, style of art that people need, but yeah, it's got to be some person that's like an overachiever that was like, Oh, look at what I can do. Please hire me. And then they started looking at what people can do. I
Georgie 7:40
also dislike the whole it's a side project, and have it as your side project until it can be like, again, hustle, until it can be like, your main thing. And I'm like, but then that also implies that you are unhappy with your job, and you are looking for, yeah, like, a way out. And I'm like, 100%
Geoff 8:02
Yeah. I mean, you can do that, but just keep it on the wraps. I did have a co worker who had a like a like a site, a side hustle. They actually, were actually making money from their side project at the same time as having a full time job. They thought of him as a risk. No. I mean, like,
Georgie 8:24
Wait, so wait, are they still, like, working? Like they didn't? Yeah, they
Geoff 8:28
still work. They're still working. Okay, maybe it doesn't make enough money. Yeah,
Georgie 8:33
I have, like, a co worker. I don't know they're technically a co worker anymore. Used to work with us. I'm just gonna say that to some cases, I don't work with this person anymore. Let me just say that. And they had a bit of like a side thing where it was like a paid service. I did not assume that they were earning big bucks. And I think they're still not earning big bucks from it. Yeah,
Speaker 1 9:01
I mean, that's always shit. I hate that phrase, but
Geoff 9:08
yeah, I'm not, I'm not a fan. And I think the one blocker for me is kind of like, okay, I know exactly how much effort it would take to get something to like be profitable. And if I, if I can't muster the strength or the or even conceive of a path to profitability, I just and I just end it. I'm not interested in a side hustle, yeah, don't not try. I don't invest in, yeah, making a side project that's not profitable and not anything game changing. You were
Georgie 9:52
just working on something like for fun, like you really are you at that point? Where you don't give a shit. You just don't care anymore.
Geoff 10:03
Yeah. I mean, the problems that I find interesting to solve are just way too big. And then so when, when I get down to the smallest amount that could be proving the concept for the bigger piece, I'm like, at that point, oh, this has absolutely zero value. No one would pay for this if I don't have all the features that to compete, you know? So, yeah, that's my, that's my, that's my main curse is knowledge. It's like, how much do I need to do to make this profitable, and how much am I willing to do to make this profitable and other, like, other things that would get in my way, like, do I have to actually compete with a similar product and be better than them to make this profitable? And ours is almost always yes, yeah, but, but, like, I need to come up with some innovation on the idea, and then that, at that point, I'm like, the innovation is just too much of a big step. And then it kind of like my interest wanes a little bit, yeah,
Georgie 11:16
because you would still, I mean, I you would want to be still emotionally invested in the idea at the point at which you, like, you know, make those big steps, and if you're not, and then you've just burned out then, like, you wouldn't want to continue.
Geoff 11:36
Another thing I take into account which I've like, I'm always talking about ideas with, like, an ex colleague of mine to try and, like, do something, but at the so there's a lot of things to solve in the world, obviously, and we can obviously solve a lot of things by Software, okay, but the question that keeps coming up between us. It's like, do we actually care about these users? You can solve a lot of problems. All right, all right, okay, so, so let's say take the legal system in, in, in, into perspective, right? The legal system as a whole, in general, a legal system sucks ass, right? And software can actually make a cycle less ass. But do you actually care about making lawyers lives easier? My
Georgie 12:32
best friend's a taxation lawyer.
Geoff 12:38
Well, then you got emotional investment, right? But I don't have any connection to the legal system. And do you and then, like you want, yeah, and then do you want to spend your time? And we're talking about five to 10 years of time invested in user testing with lawyers constantly communicating with legal firms and making their lives better, right? It's a
Georgie 13:02
lot of effort because, like, but then, like, yeah, you would have to talk to them, because they know everything. It's all up exactly you know, like, yeah.
Geoff 13:10
But then, so do you care about lawyers that much?
Unknown Speaker 13:14
Like taking this, like
Georgie 13:15
taking this and then applying it to, like, any product, people could just just shoot down any product or idea because it just doesn't align with what they care about. So, like, you ever look at a product and you're like, why the fuck is that so popular? Like, I don't give a shit, you know. Like, it's, it's very interesting and,
Geoff 13:41
and you can do those things. You don't have to have emotional investment to make money. That's very clear.
Georgie 13:49
But if you have an idea, I feel like a lot of good ones come from you wanting to help some people in whatever. The thing is that they're like,
Geoff 13:59
yeah, yeah. But if I don't have a personal trouble with it, I find it hard to, like, put investment in it, and that's where the all the like, the saying comes from. If you're solving a problem for yourself, then you might be solving a problem for some the same thing for other people, and then it'll drive you as a user of your own product, but if you're trying to solve a problem external to yourself, it's like a bigger barrier to because then you have to actually go to legal firms and ask those lawyers, what's your problem, and then you're then trying to build that emotional attachment to lawyers, which you didn't have A natural attachment to your friends a taxation lawyer. You could ask them and solve their problem, and that would be better, because
Georgie 14:48
maybe, yeah, you don't care.
Geoff 14:51
I don't. I don't have a lawyer, so I don't see the everyday struggles of law like I know there's problems in. Know, Like I developed a whole jury system. Was I was in jury duty. But, you know, selling, that is a is a higher barrier. And then you go, hospital system, right? Of course, hospital systems have problems, but then you have to figure out how to sell to a hospital system, to a hospital, the government involved. And you know, you can't just do grassroots. You can't get one nurse to use this one product. And like, hopefully, like, every nurse will use the product, yeah, to make a big enough shift. Anyways, interesting. I'm too like, yeah, yeah, that's where I go. I go a little bit too big brain, and then I go, and I give up on the idea completely. But yeah, I
Georgie 15:47
feel like a, sort of, like a company that I've been following that does something that I don't know kind of kind of relates to this. They're called Recycle Smart and like, you know how we couldn't do the soft collect the soft plastics at the supermarkets, because so Recycle Smart started collecting them. And they started collecting stuff that's, like, tricky to recycle, because it was just hard. They noticed it was hard for just everyday people to be able to recycle stuff you can't just put in, like, electronic waste and things like that. And they're still pretty small, but they're growing, like, year on year, blah, blah, blah. And I've been to a couple of their webinars, and I can see that the founders really care about, like, not letting shit go to landfill. But then I know a lot of people who'd probably just like, I don't care. Just put myself plastics in the fucking bin, you know. Like, I'll just, you know, I don't care. I'll just put my broken toaster in the in the bin, you know. So that's one of those things where actually, like, it's a certain solutions and businesses and whatever will almost always only cater to a very specific bunch of people. Like, there is no one product that is like, literally a thing that everybody uses.
Geoff 17:15
Yeah, I just realized on that note, Uruguay. Uruguay has actually Uruguay. Uruguay Uruguay. It has achieved energy sovereignty. So basically all the 98% of its electricity is from renewable energy. So you don't actually import or export any or buy they actually selling energy now from renewables. And I thought that was like, and they did less in less than a decade.
Georgie 17:49
How big is the country? I know like? Does that matter?
Geoff 17:54
I guess so. I mean, if you're looking at somewhat like apples to apples, I bigness, population 770 6000 kilometers squared, published 3.4 million.
Georgie 18:17
Is that a lot
Geoff 18:19
to Australia.
Zero guys, about 44, times smaller than Australia. What about people?
Georgie 18:31
Yeah, wait, it's about the size of 1080, I look like on the picture.
Geoff 18:35
Yeah. Population, right. Is this cost of living, quality of life. Wait, cost of living. Holy crap, 68.5% more expensive than Uruguay, than Australia. Hey. Oh, you lived in Australia instead of yoga, you would live 4.7 years younger. That's what we get for being 68.5% more expensive. 4.7
Georgie 19:08
years Whoa, what? 93.8 more money is that?
Geoff 19:14
Wait, I has a GDP per capita of 30,000 Well, Australia's GDP cap per capita is 59,000 Oh, we earn more money, but it's way. I guess that makes sense, because if the cost of living is way more expensive, we should earn more. Oh,
Georgie 19:31
right, yeah, whoops. Okay, yeah, 56%
Geoff 19:35
life is likely to be unemployed. That's incredible. That's quite a lot. You know, great, 8.3% of adults are unemployed, so 3.7 Hey, we got a pretty good but we're not like,
Georgie 19:52
Wait, we see, wait, we see 339, times more coastline.
Geoff 19:59
Oh. Know my browser is, Oops, oh no,
yeah, wow, wow, okay, population, 3.4 2 million, but yeah, it is, I mean, it shows that you can, you can do like they have put in so many measures and just hammered away at it for a long for, like, less than 10 years. That said it took, yeah, less than 10 years. I
They are energy dependent, independent. Damn your North Korea Power their economy, economic and social development, low cost thermal fuels such as coal. See, this is like. It's just pretty interesting. I mean, Australia is, I mean, they're like, thinking about all this, like, random stuff, nuclear plants and things, and they just pumped all their money into wind farms.
Georgie 21:16
Put it that way, yeah, they're
Geoff 21:20
internal audit internationally as a model for transitioning national power systems, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty good, pretty good. But they're not recycling. Oh, I think the highest technology, like the ones who have a lot the technology for recycling, is like, Japan, right?
Georgie 21:38
You mean, like, was
Geoff 21:43
it called?
Georgie 21:45
Yeah, okay. Switzerland,
Geoff 21:50
efficient e waste systems, Sweden, Norway, of course, it's like the Scandinavian, like the Scandinavian, Japan, I think, I think recycling is, is kind of, like, too complicated
Georgie 22:09
from a consumers, yeah, that's what Recycle Smart tries to, like, kind of debunk. They're like, Oh, we're trying to make it easier for you. Why would you just book a pickup and they'll just pick up all of your crap and sort it,
Geoff 22:21
even, even that is, I mean, if the building did it, maybe that's better. But yeah, as a household, yeah.
Georgie 22:29
So they have Recycle Smart has, like, what do you call it agreements, or whatever, with some companies, like, I think they actually have, like, we work, for example, where they will collect the trash and then sort it. You know, they have, like, different partners that they make sure that everything gets recycled properly. But I think that's their focus, rather than focusing on business. To be to, yes, yeah,
Geoff 23:01
yeah. So, like, like, I said earlier, like, we want to solve, we want to solve for the consumer, because we're also, we're all consumers. And then you, like, you realize you have to solve it, B to B, screw that, yeah.
Georgie 23:14
Also you have to, like, I don't know, talk to your building manager or whatever. Be like, Hey, I care about just
Geoff 23:20
try, yeah, because, like, we use an app in our building, actually, that's pretty that's pretty modern, for those who, yeah, wait, what does the app do? Or do you have an app? It's basically, you can get notices, Oh,
Georgie 23:38
you mean, for communicating. Also
Geoff 23:41
log to log, like broken things. But you know, it's not an app that lets you access the building. It's just for property management, sex and you kind of like, get detached from the whole building idea. So that's a problem for rentals, or, you know, buying an apartment. But you know what? Either get to like the, like the higher end apartments, or you just, you just live in this 90s tech world where you have RFID cards that go up to the floor. Maybe that's actually quite new, newer. That's probably like, Oh, I know. Should be 90s, 2000s when were this business building built? Any case. So they were still working off these, like, weird technologies where we can, just like, we've got newer technologies, like our apple key. And, you know, our phones can unlock and unlock doors these days and open open gates and lifts, yeah, you know, where is that technology? But it's too hard to get also, like the event.
Georgie 24:58
Don't, yes, don't even. To the Pro, don't try and replace it with some new One technology that probably will actually break. I don't know.
Geoff 25:07
I did argue it in a strata, like, how many times do people call you up, call the strata or the call the building manager up with a forgotten key? Yeah, and the and the building manager for because then they lost the key, and yeah, I got locked out. And I got locked out of the building one time, and they were like, Oh, it cost $250 to for me to come after hours to let you in the building. And I'm like, okay, so we add all of those up. How many keys you had to how many keys you had to re issue, how much time you wasted. And then you put that into a nice little number and say, You know what this like putting newer technology into the building is more worth it than like spending all that time and energy. But we have bigger fish to fry. So that got, well, definitely bigger fish, like the basement was leaking or something like that. So it's like, they were really considering how we fix the intercom system and, like, maybe we try to think of it a bit differently, but I have no kind of like, I do, I do want to join, but I also don't want to join the owners Corporation, because that means I have to do stuff outside of work, and that's outside
Speaker 1 26:31
projects. And you just like, that's not a side project. I want to give a
Geoff 26:37
my living, living environment is not as often, but you should go to your strata meetings.
Georgie 26:47
I don't even know. So, yeah, I don't even know if that wait, what do you mean? Can anyone go
Geoff 26:53
if you own, I don't you own the apartment? Yeah, you go, Oh,
Georgie 26:57
you're saying other than me personally, what you're just saying to people listening
Geoff 27:01
in general, yeah. Anyways, back to the recycling thing again. Like, if it's too complicated, you got to separate your plastics from non plastic.
Georgie 27:11
So I'm gonna go back to three. I'm gonna go back to, like, the problem, which is, yeah, we should stop having, like, so much like disposable, single use, single use plastic,
Geoff 27:23
see? So you're going bigger,
Georgie 27:27
but true, right? It's like the whole, like, the fast fashion thing, where people say that there's big corporations that sell a lot of fast fashion. Can they have the power, like, not be selling shit clothes made by, like, kids in Bangladesh, you know? Well,
Geoff 27:41
then everything's gonna be more expensive, and the consumers will buy it,
Georgie 27:45
yeah, so then it just, it's like, what do people care about? You know? But it's, it's true, like, I think, obviously not everybody fucking cares about, like, recycling, but not every fucking cucumber has to be wrapped in plastic.
Geoff 28:00
Japan. Oh, my god, yeah, individually. I simultaneously love Japan for individually wrapping everything inside, and at the same time, it's so useful. It's so it's so good. But having said that, Japan does have great technology for recycling, so they probably individually wrap things, but at the same time they can actually efficiently recycle it. Can they? Yeah, they're on top five of best e
Georgie 28:29
waste, e waste, plastic is not E waste, oh no. Sorry,
Geoff 28:33
not E waste, yeah, best technology for recycling plastics. So it really is, comes down to like, oh, okay, so we can have some niceties, and we can uncom in uncomplicate the whole recycling thing, if people invested in technology for recycling, or, you know, corporations stopped doing it,
Georgie 28:56
yeah, but it is a bigger Brain. It's a bigger problem. Yeah.
Geoff 29:00
Yeah. So my ideal would be, hey, let's just have one bin, and then I just just throw it away and forget. And then the and then whatever waste management system. I mean, that's not a better, yeah, that would be my ideal, yeah. Because even separating it is like the plastics themselves don't have any indication of how recyclable it is. Never mind the arrow with the number in it, because that also doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Oh, is it a one? Is it a three? Is it a four? I just throw it in the trash, right? And then even when something says it's fully recyclable, you're like, is it? So, yeah, it's just cycling. More worth it. Answer is yes,
Georgie 29:56
yes. Geoff, you hear that. I.
Geoff 30:00
I mean, I'm all for recycling things to be fair. You just want your life to be I just want my life to be easier. Yeah. I mean, you could do the same argument with electric vehicles versus hybrid, versus just getting a second hand car. Which one, which one ends in less waste or list interesting. Because, interesting, as
Georgie 30:23
you said, like a second hand car. Because where would that second hand car go if nobody bought it and used it? Yeah, it wouldn't be, I could with this parts. But like, you know what I mean? Like, would I have
Geoff 30:36
no idea? Yeah, because second hand car would be from someone else, and if that someone else couldn't sell it for any price, then I don't even know how to like,
Georgie 30:48
yeah, that's, that's the other thing, yeah. What would the person do? Because, like, I think the thing I was thinking about is, like, when I'm trying to sell clothes, right? I'm like, Okay, if no one wants this, I'm just gonna donate to the charity shop. But then, when the charity shop can't sell it either, what do they do with it?
Geoff 31:05
Yeah? Like, how do you get rid of old cars? Like you're trying to sell, you sell anything.
Georgie 31:13
And some people would think to just put shit in the bin. And I don't know if that's like, a sign of, like, privilege or something like that. But like,
Geoff 31:21
yeah. Like, my TV was a bit dodge. So I was like, do I sell it or do I recycle it? And then I was thinking, You know what, it's probably more dodge than to sell it, more dodge to recycle it. Yeah, because it had, like, a weird buzzing sound, it would, it would like, loudly,
Georgie 31:42
no one would buy
Geoff 31:43
it if you were to I was thinking it was unconscionable to sell it to somebody, given that it had a buzzing sound. And I don't know what that buzzing sound is doing, it could be starting a fire. Yeah, it could. So, so I had no idea what the problem was, I even asked the electrician, who's like, Hmm, I don't know about that, at what point,
Georgie 32:03
like, would you just put your TV out on the side of the road?
Geoff 32:08
I would have done that, but it's illegal to just put it out on the side of
Georgie 32:13
the road. Is it illegal everywhere?
Geoff 32:16
Yeah, I think you have to pick here. You have to order Council pickup to do one has to be like, goods, yeah? Because I'm like,
Georgie 32:25
I'm pretty sure you expect, yeah, yep.
Geoff 32:29
So you can actually get, you can actually go to a car wreckers, or sell my car, but let's say it's like, if I couldn't sell my car, then I guess I just use it until it actually dies, and then think about what to do. So
Georgie 32:46
you would try and just get the user out of it.
Geoff 32:50
But then, so then that becomes a problem. Yeah, why are you trying to sell it? Is it because you think it's too old to draw? Okay? And you're just, you're just looking for someone who thinks that it's not too old to drive, or you just go like, like we've learned here, car wreckers, apparently, what if you just
Georgie 33:09
want a nice yeah? What if you just want a nice new car? But the car is actually fine. Yeah?
Geoff 33:12
There are some charity organizations willing to accept donations than formative used cars. That's interesting.
Georgie 33:19
So you can, you can go to a place that will wreck your car. Like,
Speaker 1 33:25
what does wrecking cars means? Car wreckers, Sydney. What does that mean? Oh,
Geoff 33:31
like, do they just crush the salvage and, oh, they salvage, they salvage all your car parts. And then what? And then refurbish them. And then sold. Yeah, our car wreckers Sydney have a wide range of used car parts. Records, wrecking cars of Japanese auto records team can source all of the parts from engineers. All parts are sold and clean tested. Oh, okay, so they buy your car from you to we sell used cars parts and buy old vehicles. So they actually recycle. Okay, technically, you know what
Georgie 34:17
I just thought of this is, this is so unrelated,
Speaker 1 34:21
but I thought of it because I saw car wreckers. But do you remember when we're talking about that house in the Glebe
Georgie 34:27
with like, 14 rooms, yes, or whatever was, and then we were trying to calculate whether, like, would you want to buy that and knock it down and then build something, or would you want to try and rent it out? And we were thinking that if you try to rent it out, you wouldn't earn enough income for the price. Yeah, I don't know I thought of that. So,
Speaker 1 34:46
is it possible to, like, recycle a home? Like, what the fuck is that like? What if you don't want your house anymore,
Georgie 34:55
and what if you don't want the lack
Geoff 34:59
I mean, I guess you. And, I mean, it's probably really expensive, because you'd have to, you have to tear apart brick by brick to recycle the bricks. And that's probably, like, really difficult. So the way that they knock
Georgie 35:11
it down, do the bricks don't stay in the same shape? Yeah,
Geoff 35:15
they're just like, it is a vulnerable
Speaker 1 35:18
like asphalt already, or do they what
Geoff 35:21
houses? What is it
Georgie 35:28
like recycling, a knock down house or something?
Geoff 35:35
Oh, yeah, materials,
Georgie 35:39
I don't know it's about material. Would be building, right? Building Materials, yeah,
Geoff 35:43
cycling, building materials. I also have, now that you mentioned it, I would probably just reopen it as, like, air, Airbnb, hotel, yeah, like a 14 room thing, just renovate room by room. Specializing in reclaimed, recycled, reusable building materials. Okay, okay, so they're building it with recycled materials. Where do you Oh, wow, this isn't materials from Australia, yeah, Granville, all right, 40 Sydney, salvage yards, recycling building materials, okay? Oh, five construction, whether it's Windows, flooring, yeah, household building renovation, flooring or reclaimed timber, we've got the materials you
Georgie 36:35
need that one. Yeah?
Geoff 36:42
Interesting. Interesting. So where does construction waste go? Interest, okay, so every building, concrete, wood, plus the board's asphalt, could be unreasonable to expect. Waste less worksite. Remember scenario 2% what does the garbage glass 45 million tons create four re get glass wastage alone is enough to create 4 billion square meters of recycled glass for future builds
Georgie 37:16
like entirely of glass.
Geoff 37:19
Yeah, but man to, I mean, I think you can actually, like, knock down, a knock down, rebuild costs, knock down. Oh, man, see, I don't even know how to, how to Google this.
Georgie 37:39
Wait. What are you trying to
Geoff 37:43
like, if you, if you looked at a knockdown service and then recycling, have a look at the recycling. If I were to ask it to Sydney regional and then knock down rebuild, and then they can possibly tell us what they do with them.
Georgie 38:03
Maybe, maybe
Geoff 38:07
interesting, okay, cost efficiency, blah, blah, blah, stay in the neighborhood. FAQ, oh, look, no, a support engine.
Unknown Speaker 38:25
I think. What, if you what, if you ask Google,
Georgie 38:28
yeah, what happens to the Yeah? What happens to the construction waste in a building? Knock down. Oh, can I recycle construction waste? Yeah, what are Yeah, construction waste, right? Construction
Geoff 38:45
waste from knocking recycling bricks and toast can involve crushing them for years. Oh,
Georgie 38:56
sustainable builders, waste removal. Okay, here we go.
Geoff 39:01
Yeah. Sustain verification, I'm a human. Okay, demolition projects, tearing down buildings generates large amounts of waste, including bricks. Yes, yes. Builders waste includes a range of materials. Yep, yep. Identify with first, so it's accurately identifying types and noise separating. Okay. So the
Georgie 39:25
part above it that says, like, what they used for, like tile and brick, tile and brick is,
Geoff 39:32
yeah, and then they had water. So, so basically what I'm thinking, what I thought was really troublesome, was like identifying what is removable, and then you'd have to maybe get the floors. You have to get the floors removed first, recycle those windows removed, but they can wreck the whole thing. And segregating the materials on site, we ensure recycle reusable items are not contaminated. But has. Does someone recycle? Okay? This is certainly gonna cost more, right?
Unknown Speaker 40:08
How much is a normal one like us? Anyway?
Geoff 40:12
End of lease, recycling service, okay,
Georgie 40:13
huh? Oh, it's a commercial lease.
Geoff 40:18
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so it's possible, this is, it's possible to recycle your house, material, your house, knock down materials. That is, that's good to make the other houses or make your new house, right? You can knock down the house and then just on the same land, yeah, hey, so you pay more to knock down your house, and you pay even more to use the materials. Oh, wait because to rebuild your Yeah, that's
Georgie 40:50
so fucking messed up, though, because
Unknown Speaker 40:52
yeah, you're
Geoff 40:56
Yeah. The technology just hasn't reached critical mass where it's sort of, like, cheap and easy to do, but it's also, I bet only 1% of people would do this, of course,
Unknown Speaker 41:07
like, I
Georgie 41:09
feel like you it's the same thing with like, you have to be pretty privileged to do this. Like, zero waste movement, kind of, yeah.
Geoff 41:17
Like zero waste anything is pretty privilege, yeah,
Georgie 41:21
I know. I know, says the person who bought reusable beeswax wraps instead of
Geoff 41:27
i They didn't last me five years. Okay? I saw pilling. I thought
Georgie 41:33
they were only supposed to last one year even. That's not. But still, you, you saved buying a whole ass thing of clinging wrap. Oh, sorry, saran wrap. To
Geoff 41:44
be fair, as soon as it started pilling, I just, like, discarded, like, I just put them in the back of the jaw, probably after a year, and then I was like, oh.