Our hosts discuss covers versus original songs, the music industry's trends, artist collaborations, and remixing practices, and touch on copyright infringement in music and whether anything is truly original anymore.
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Our hosts discuss covers versus original songs, the music industry's trends, artist collaborations, and remixing practices, and touch on copyright infringement in music and whether anything is truly original anymore.
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Georgie 0:08
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I'm your co host, Georgie and as always, I'm here with Jeff.
Geoff 0:17
Hello. Hello. Have the Hausa Yeah, the weather.
Georgie 0:24
Did you get blown away?
Geoff 0:27
Oh, so we we were driving at some point and at night, and I like I don't know when the last time I couldn't see the road was. But
Georgie 0:38
wait, what do you mean hang on the last time you couldn't see the rope?
Geoff 0:41
Yeah, it was the heaviest, the heavy rains so heavy. See the road no matter how fast your wind wipers are, you basically can only see where your lights are. And even then you can barely see the lines.
Georgie 0:59
So you can see like 20 centimetres,
Geoff 1:01
you see some red lights and some flashlight, the flashlight it's on the other side or headlights on the other side. And then like you just have to guesstimate where the lines up. But yeah, I can't quite remember the last time where it rained so hard that I like it's not actually possible to see things. But that happened. I don't think it was last week this weekend. It was probably
Georgie 1:29
a while ago and then yes. He like it. Almost like it never happened.
Geoff 1:33
Yeah, yeah. My parents came over. I think that's yeah, that's the only anchoring event. Because yeah, we were we went out for dinner. Went to Chatswood. And then all the way back. It was just pouring. Yeah. So yeah. The weather is Yeah. being blinded by the light now.
Georgie 2:03
Did you do know a song? Yeah,
Geoff 2:08
yeah, but I have no idea who sings it. So don't quiz me.
Georgie 2:13
I'm now trying to remember who it was. Oh shit. I remember it was incorrectly attributed to Electric Light Orchestra.
Geoff 2:22
The electric light they're saying
Georgie 2:25
evil woman who did it did it? Yeah.
Geoff 2:30
You know, I only recognise that song because a TV show. Like reference. Oh,
Georgie 2:36
that's my favourite Electric Light Orchestra. So if a woman
Geoff 2:41
blinded by the light Manford man's Earth band blinded by
Georgie 2:46
the I think I think it's the Manfred Mann one Springsteen. Did he write that or record it? Or is that the sake because how many songs are called I think there are several songs called
Geoff 3:01
mean the weekend blinding lights. who originally signed by me but let's record it by Bruce Springsteen.
Georgie 3:12
The cover is by man.
Geoff 3:15
Manfred Mann's Manfred Mann's Earth band reasonable. So they did recover. Yeah,
Georgie 3:22
they were better.
Geoff 3:23
Yeah. I mean, there's always gonna be someone better out there.
Georgie 3:29
Are you sure though? Yeah.
Geoff 3:31
There's always there's always gonna be someone better
Georgie 3:33
or other Beatles.
Geoff 3:38
So I went through one second. Let me just so I'm not Beatles specific, but I used to listen to an acapella band called tonics. Yeah. Yah, yah, yah, Pentatonix. And I would, I would learn songs through them. And then I wouldn't actually, I wouldn't actually have known about any of the songs. And they usually did it better to me. They usually a better version. What do you think of the bias
Georgie 4:16
though? Having listened to something first? And then listening to the original and going oh, shit. I didn't realise that was you know what I mean? Yeah. Like the one that you're most familiar with? Well, in this case, you knew they were all covers right? Yeah, yeah, but have you ever had like the situation where you learn much later on that a song is actually a cover? And you're like, Oh, damn, I actually liked the cover better the original like socks.
Geoff 4:50
I think I don't think I can remember a time where that Christmas songs are real catch. as well, I think for that, if you think you think any modern artists made any original Christmas songs, they're always covers. I feel like yeah, very few.
Georgie 5:14
Why that is, is it just like traditional something? It's a it's a it's a cash grab money and around the seasonal time, like
Geoff 5:25
I think Mariah Carey is probably the biggest perpetrator of this. She only comes out of the woodwork when Christmas comes along and just sings that song, though. She didn't write the song. All I want for Christmas this year.
Georgie 5:41
I mean,
Geoff 5:45
so who was saying the original, so recorded by Vince Vance and the villains, dalliance initially with single 1989.
Georgie 5:58
So her version just became, yeah.
Geoff 6:03
And that's all she thinks. Every year.
Georgie 6:05
She sang other songs, right? Yeah, she doesn't I don't think she's released anything recently. Or if she has, it's probably not. Yeah, as much as her stuff in the 90s.
Geoff 6:18
Yeah. There's also a song that I think are Ariana Grande and Kelly Clarkson sing together with Chris for for Christmas. Yeah. That that also, I think, did a lot better than its original.
Georgie 6:37
Ah, so the person I can think of who? And I think there are two different scenarios here. One is that it's a couple and it has received more popularity. Or it's been written by somebody else. I think of like Whitney Houston. And she's saying, I will always love you. Because the was the song of the film, The Bodyguard that she was in
Geoff 7:08
for a movie, or I think it was a movie. Yeah, the bodyguard did it was it a movie and then it became like a theatre show or whatever.
Georgie 7:19
It was a movie in the 90s. So the movies been around for ages. I don't recall hearing about a theatre show. But that song was written by Dolly Parton. Oh, yeah. And Dolly Parton also recorded like sang and recorded that in a very, like sort of delicate country style. Sort of more. I don't want to say depressing, but it was a very, like sad sounding ballad. Whereas Whitney Houston's version, and it's used in the movies like it's powerful. powerpop whatever you want to call Yeah. I mean, both of them are good singers. But I think the song became more popular. When Whitney Houston sang it.
Geoff 8:05
The body guy doesn't Well yeah,
Georgie 8:07
I Yeah, it's not the film exists. Yeah.
Geoff 8:16
Yeah, like, I think the only one I know that's famous is I can't remember what it's called now. Bananas. You know the song. The shits bananas? Oh, grands Tiffani? Gwen's Tiffani, it was written by Pharrell Williams. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The happy guy wrote. Should bananas. But yeah, there's definitely people who Yeah, I think the stars are the celebrities that write songs for other people. So because they're like, Oh, we I had a certain voice in my mind, and it was yours to
Georgie 9:02
us or the person. Yeah. There's someone I think her name is Linda Perry. She's written a lot of songs for many different artists.
Geoff 9:13
Actually, I think the 90s like in like, I think there's like a three people who wrote all the 90s hit songs. Oh, boy.
Georgie 9:21
Have we talked it's very possible.
Geoff 9:26
Writers. I don't think we're talking about this 90 Hit Max Martin. Yeah, maximum. This guy has written every pop song. So Backstreet Boys, he wrote I want it that way. Ah, and he wrote in syncs no strings attached. He also shape of my heart. Just want you to know Britney Spears Baby One More Time. You drive me crazy. Crazy. Oops, I did it again. He basically wrote most of the 90s hit songs. And he did it again today. Yeah, yeah. He's still alive. He seems still alive. 53 He's not even that old. He's not even that old. He must be raking it in. But as we know, songwriters and singers probably don't pick as much money as we think they do.
Georgie 10:23
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Geoff 10:26
Rule of being alone. I will be Usher. Jessie J. Katy Perry. Of course, he wrote hot and cold and kiss the girl and Teenage Dream and California. Oh, my God. He's right. He wrote all of Katy Perry's hit songs.
Georgie 10:40
Yeah, I think Katy Perry, I think does Katy Perry. Right. But she doesn't write her own songs. Or does she just not? Right? At all?
Geoff 10:53
Actually, this is an interesting topic, because our household is more Kpop aligned, as you probably know,
Georgie 11:01
because the songs are written for them. Right. Exactly.
Geoff 11:05
So I had had an interesting thought it's like, okay, so in America, generally people think you know, what the singers are the songwriters. You know, Taylor Swift is example for the G rights or her in songs. She sings her own songs, in some cases, apparently that she doesn't actually sing her songs. But like,
Georgie 11:28
Taylor writes, Father,
Geoff 11:29
we are never ever getting back together. collaborated. Oh, she,
Georgie 11:34
I think Taylor writes all of her songs. But she's also helped write for other people. Yeah. And obviously her songs are collaborated with other people. Yeah, so she's not always the sole. Right.
Geoff 11:47
Yeah. Anyways, so the thought was, hey, so we generally understand in the western world that this song right, the singer is Polly, like the songwriter as well. And that's like, and, you know, bands, bands, write their own songs and play their own songs. Maybe they do a cover or two. And the rights to the songs, of course, ambiguous, but generally, it's like, okay, so you wrote the song, you sang the song, you get the money from the song. Yeah. And then you get the rights, the you get the recurring royalties from the song. But Kpop is way more confusing to me, because they don't sing their own songs. It's a corporation that pumps out songs written by other writers, and basically get paid. Exactly. So if they quit Kpop they, they quit the company, the right day, not get royalties, like the singers, singers, basically can’t. Like, to me, it doesn't seem like they would get royalties from this deal.
Georgie 12:55
So I would maybe view it as kind of like their performance for a thing that someone wrote me like theatre performers, like theatre performers, do a script or whatever, and they get paid for their work and their theatrics, their acting, dancing, and whatnot. And then yeah, I think yeah, of course, if you fucking quit, you're done. Right? Because I guess you could see it as more of a production like, the whole thing is or production, right? They're not singers in the way that you know, Taylor Swift will go and tour the world and release albums and stuff. But then I don't know do they get royalties from the album? Do the Kpop artists? Yeah, like when when they leave the band with a group or whatever, they retire? Money? Yeah, do the same money from like, the albums that they sang on?
Geoff 13:43
Of course, someone's asked this question before I haven't. I haven't I haven't imagined in my gallery what. What this is read it speak. Three one per stream. What three one? That's that's incredibly low.
Georgie 14:03
Wait The per stream?
Geoff 14:05
Three one in odd.
Georgie 14:07
In order
Geoff 14:10
it's it's like less than is less than a cent. This 0.000 I don't know. Yeah, true is like let's say one like average royalties for singers streaming. Yeah, this is how much I shoot. Yeah, I think so title pays the most. Then it's Apple Music and then at Spotify for sure. But holy crap, they Yeah, it's about the same. It's about the same amount for 0.004 cents Amazon music. I mean, streaming is actually quite, quite like numerous like, you can get a lot of listens through Streaming so you stand get
Georgie 15:01
like a lot of money I don't think.
Geoff 15:04
Yeah, like even a million.
Georgie 15:08
Okay if he only got 1000 listens How much is that? Yeah, like 10 1234
Geoff 15:13
cents so I was on musically so shit. Yeah, but I think because the reach is quite wide with digital like a million listens would put Have you had like $1 per listen even with everyone in the ground in the streaming so oh title is is actually 1.2 cents wow that's that's a lot that's a lot compared to Apple music which is point eight of a cent point two cent muted music so everyone's one cent our title titles better. I don't know who owns title right now but it was some pop artist as well.
Georgie 15:59
Oh really?
Geoff 16:01
Yeah title was made by some guy named Jack Dorsey Oh
Georgie 16:08
see wait.
Geoff 16:10
Twitter guy J Jim Myka I'm pretty sure they had a big frontman for front Jay Z. Right? Yeah. purchased by Jay Z. Before the acquisition, Jay Z interviewed now whatever. So, yeah, do the way where we didn't we didn't get to the bottom of the capabilities.
Georgie 16:38
Do they get 48.25%
Geoff 16:40
music production company 35% streaming service 10.5% goes the nurses composers, 6.25% recording artists. God has six members and would split that 6.25% with each other.
Georgie 16:58
Holy crap. So that's not a lot, right. Like point
Geoff 17:02
two 5% of like, the entire
Georgie 17:05
like, goes to you as a performer if you're a cable.
Geoff 17:09
Yeah. Well, that's during their I think, loyal, like during the time where they're part of the groove. I guess they don't any specific performance? Yeah, I don't know. I guess, I guess. Yeah,
Georgie 17:33
I think you get
Geoff 17:33
a lot of fame. That's true. A lot of famous good. So
Georgie 17:38
maybe you don't get a lot of money. But you will have a lot of fans. Yeah, and followers. And then you'll probably get like fucking collaborations with brands who want to use your image and stuff. And then they'll probably pay you as well.
Geoff 17:54
Yeah, well, I guess that's also an iffy thing, right? If you get brand new brands on board, that's probably through your, your music production company. Like the music production company would be brokering the deals with like, I didn't think about it. Yeah, I think so anyway, it would make sense because they basically own the group. They built the group through, you know, series of trials or tribulations, sometimes a TV show, and sometimes they have training camps. And they pick some some performers out of the training camp, but they don't
Georgie 18:31
really have a say, yes, they're like, hey, this brand wants to work with you.
Geoff 18:37
You they own the group, so? Yeah. Manufactured.
Georgie 18:46
Fuck. So like, if you wanted to work with a certain brand, like Nike, for example. And they'd be like, they could say no, because
Geoff 18:52
yeah, yeah. So that Yeah, I think the because they own like, over 50. They basically own the group. And it's, and it's, um, and it's brand identity. So you can't, like go solo and figure out hey, you know what, I'm just gonna rap Nike now. And you're like, No, the music production company has Adidas, so too bad to sad. I also think that most groups get formed. Like, you're, you're basically part of a larger group of performers, and they just pick four. And then they say, now your group, you have no say. So that's, I think generally how it goes, which is pretty wild. It's like so different from Hey, we're a group of friends and we wanted to form a band. Yeah, we'll hold auditions and see we'll see who fits, fits our band's vibe.
Georgie 19:50
Are there any podcasts like this where they actually look for people or like a certain like, overarching companies like hey, you Do you want to make a podcast about baking cookies? So we're gonna like Scout
Geoff 20:04
scout the best podcast sometimes
Georgie 20:08
happens, right? Like yeah,
Geoff 20:12
I guess anyone can scout anyone if they have enough money. They're just like, Okay, we'll pay you a salary. And you come in come and do a podcast.
Georgie 20:21
Yeah, I feel like it does happen. I just can't think of an example.
Geoff 20:27
Anyways I was gonna find out which song Ariana Grande and Kelly Clarkson think Christmas Yeah, Santa's Can't you hear me? So I actually don't know if this is an original. Made by them.
Georgie 20:53
He can't because he was not real bomb. Yeah.
Geoff 20:59
For all those that, sorry.
Georgie 21:00
Those who are six years old and listening. Santana's not real.
Geoff 21:07
Is it? Originally them? Yeah. Release 20 Holy crap. It's an original song.
Georgie 21:17
Are you sure?
Geoff 21:18
It's an original Christmas song written by Clarkson with your likes and holy crap. It's an original song. Who knew?
Georgie 21:32
Well, what made you think that it wasn't?
Geoff 21:35
I mean, I think all Christmas songs are covers. Some though. Why
Georgie 21:39
did this one come to mind? Like you couldn't send any was because, you
Geoff 21:43
know, it's because I think they, I think well, well. 2022 They did a day they debuted the song together on the stage. And I was to say, Oh, this is a really good Christmas song.
Georgie 21:59
Then you thought maybe like every other song. It must be. Yeah,
Geoff 22:03
exactly. They must be doing a cover of every Christmas. You got fooled. Yeah. Good, because it was
Georgie 22:10
new. Yeah.
Geoff 22:14
I mean, you don't come across original Christmas songs very often. Even the Pentatonix winter him though, is like yeah, Fleet Foxes. So they did a cover Fleet Foxes went to him though, and went to him. That was probably not.
Georgie 22:34
What is it by birdie as well. Birdie white winter.
Geoff 22:40
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure if it's also like it's get again. It is by Fleet Foxes. Is this an actual original to Austrian by? Oh,
Georgie 22:58
yeah, it probably is. Right. Yeah. And then it says, All these covers have been done. Yeah. It must be the original
Geoff 23:05
one. Yeah. In any case. Or like, I don't know. I feel like every Christmas song is probably a cover of every other Christmas song. And it's never innovated on but clearly, I
Georgie 23:20
think because we hear them so often. And they get played over and over. And you're like, Ah, I think I've heard this before.
Geoff 23:26
Yeah, it's, it's,
Georgie 23:28
it's a common Yeah.
Geoff 23:29
It's um, it's not often, I guess. But it's also like weird, cuz, like you said, it gets played over and over. And it's in shopping malls. And it's like, so popular. Yeah. Or other overplayed? Like, speaking of like,
Georgie 23:50
his music that's covers or being done before or whatever I've noticed. Okay, now that where I've heard him super old. There's there are songs from when we were half our current age or something like that, that are now being used in like remixes. Have you noticed that?
Geoff 24:15
Yeah, so I have this one bug bear with one song that is, yeah, that basically plays the riff of favourite things. I think it's favourite things.
Georgie 24:34
Ariana Grande No, no,
Geoff 24:36
I know she does it but there's a different song that does it. Yeah, pretty sure favourite
Georgie 24:40
EDM shit. Oh, maybe. But I'm just saying this. I love this. I love the music. Yeah,
Geoff 24:48
but basically it plays the riff, but not the entire riff. And that's like super annoying.
Georgie 24:54
And then does it does it go into that the beginning and then what does it loop
Geoff 24:58
it I'm not entirely sure what the song is, cuz I know I know what you're talking about. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it does live and that's the annoying thing is like you like, these are a few of my favourite. And it just like it doesn't lose. These are a few
Georgie 25:16
I've heard it I don't know what it is, but I think I've heard it because my gym tends to play. There's there's
Geoff 25:23
like that
Georgie 25:28
favourite thing I don't know if you're gonna find what you're looking for. But yeah, a couple that I've heard recently one of them was I don't know if you know the Nirvana song Smells Like Teen Spirit. It's just a it's just Nevada's most famous song basically released in like 1991 There is a remix of it playing in the gym. Now nirvana is like garage rock, right? So you can imagine guitar like a three piece rock band, and the remix was with some electronic beats and faster paced. And I just, I don't know, I just felt like secondhand violation. genre like it was it didn't feel right. And I'm seeing this a lot. I forgotten the other example. I had, maybe it'll come to me later. But I am. Oh, I remember. You know this on how to save a life. Right? Yeah, I heard like, again, some like electronic drum beat, like remakes of that song. And you know, the original sentiment of how to save a life by the phrase like piano rock, right? Sad fucking shit. Like, little sad, but it's sad content that's kind of mellow judged, you know, kind of soft, with some pretty basic drumbeat. And this was like, I don't know if I can spit it up awesome shit with some beats and made it sound kind of happy and it just ruined the entire and I don't know, I just felt kind of wrong. When I was
Geoff 27:06
listening to it, I think re mixing is okay. And especially in like seven rings by Ariana Grande. Because she uses the same lyrics. She uses the same riff and then like changes up the the ending pot. Like she's
Georgie 27:27
more adapted it? Yes. Write a new song. Yes, I have just sped this up and Chuck so beats on it.
Geoff 27:37
Yeah, and then like, it's the Yeah, the remixes, basically, oh, we're just gonna choose this one part and we're gonna put it in the middle and then we're not just we're just not going to complete it. Like that's, that's like, to me just really annoying because like Yeah, I think it was like bad and good sampling. Yeah.
Georgie 27:59
To me disjointed.
Geoff 28:01
To me, it's annoying because I will sing the lyrics to the riff in my head. And if I can't actually complete the entire like bridge or they or the chorus that they're sampling from, then, like it really annoys me.
Georgie 28:15
Yeah, so whereas if it was more complete, you might just be like, Yeah, I know that song that's in the background, even though you've got new vocals on top kind of
Geoff 28:25
thing. Yeah, exactly. David Guetta did a remix with a sample of ozone check his state did day. I don't know that song My he by
Georgie 28:39
I think I've heard that one. Yes. Yeah,
Geoff 28:41
he says his drag this day. is really funny.
Georgie 28:47
I think that one was okay when I heard it like I was rather amused mostly but it was mostly because I remembered the new manoeuvre Guy
Geoff 28:55
Yeah, the new the new manoeuvre guys?
They Yeah, I think sampling is kind of okay. But it also really annoys me when I can't think of the song The sampling. Yeah, just looking through some samples
Georgie 29:20
that I've heard is it's a jewel labour. Song that samples white town. White town sampled some song from the 1930s I'm trying to remember which song What was it? You know,
Geoff 29:41
you know, levitating by Julissa?
Georgie 29:43
I know that song Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 29:45
I when I first listened to it, I was like,
Georgie 29:49
Is it is it doesn't sample something or use it
Geoff 29:52
gotten hot water for for a potentially like copywriting Benjamin.
Georgie 30:00
Oh, because I haven't heard about this
Geoff 30:06
alright, yeah. So, um so yeah, someone someone Yeah, yeah, Dooley and let's face lawsuit claiming she copied levitating. So someone wrote a song using the exact she wrote, she wrote this levitating song, using some really well known, like, beat. So I think it's the Charleston beat where it's like, Don't the data like I don't know what how the beacon. I'm, yeah, anyways, it's the riff after she says I'm levitating. Yeah, Moonlight sunrise. Yo, my
Georgie 30:54
Yes. That's what it feels. Yeah. Popular. Like, I feel like I've heard that before.
Geoff 30:59
Yeah. So this this. Some songwriters wiggle and giggle all night. They use the same, like, chord progression. Yeah. And they claimed that she infringed on their copyright. She's still there, though. She stole it from them. And it's incredible because the same chord progression is used in Michael Jackson songs. And I don't think I don't think many of them but it's it's been like be I think maybe who's think someone adjacent to the Beatles? But essentially, it's it's been around before even the the the people who are claiming that the that she stole it from them. Hmm. Yeah. So once I once I got in, got into this whole like, Yeah, you like dug deep dug deep into this? Oh, yeah. copying from 1970. But it's been around since the 1950s. Or whatever. Right? Yes. So I was made aware of this by like, Philip DeFranco. Probably. And then I started like, looking at YouTube videos like comparing Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, comparing and like, and then like, the whole idea that there's way more vivid, like songs that use the same chord progression. I got to really liking the song. And this is, this is a banger of the song. levitating. So I actually got to like it more, because there was such a controversy. And I think that's, I think that's like, the risk that people take when they put such a spotlight on a song that is apparently infringing on their copyright, because you inadvertently make more people aware. And then more popular. And then you like, but yeah, it was, it was pretty fun time.
Georgie 33:04
One of the most famous ones is you remember bittersweet symphony?
Geoff 33:09
Yeah, then. Like, annoying as fuck.
Georgie 33:18
It's because it was repetitive. And it is again, like, I mean, not again, but it's sort of like what we were just saying about how you've got this melody that you're like, hey, I think you sampled that. And you're repeating it, and you're just putting your words over the top. And it's like, that's not always a bad thing. But like, yes, not so original. But yeah, for kids in the audience. If you're under 20, you may not know this song, and I think it was 1997. Well, mid 90s had sampled some orchestral, I think it was an orchestral song. And they use that and then they sang like, it was like a pop rock song. But the reason they infringe on copyright was that they sampled one, one fucking note. I think it was one fucking note two over the like, limit that they were allowed. Yeah. And then the other thing is the orchestral thing. This is so weird. The orchestral thing was an orchestral version of a Rolling Stone song, if I remember
Geoff 34:25
correctly, orchestral version of a Rolling Stone song. Yeah.
Georgie 34:29
And so I think the person suing was the person. I miss remembering the story, but I think it was some association with the stones basically. So the verb who sang bittersweet Symphony got no royalties for that song for like years. I think. It's It's funny how it was a very popular song. But then I think, many years later, which I think was only about like me maybe five to 10 years ago, it was finally like, there was no more bad blood. Like, they were just like, not look, it was a good song. And then and I can't remember some shit was settled, but that's one of the most famous ones that I can remember.
Geoff 35:15
Yeah, it kind of gets that way. It's a pretty unfortunate thing that I think when you go into a legal battle over this stuff, your lawyer like matters so much.
Georgie 35:31
How do you the other thing is like, how do you know that you're copying things? The other example I thought of is George Harrison, of the Beatles. He wrote, I think, no, no, that was Ringo Starr. George Harrison and his solo career wrote a song called My sweet lord. And it became very popular, but then he was accused of copyright infringement, because of the melody being very similar to some other song. I don't remember what that was. You can look it up. But yeah, he was accused of copying the song. And he was like, Nah, I don't know. Like, I've heard that song. But I definitely didn't copy it. Like I wrote this myself. And then I think he lost the case, because they said, You still, inadvertently in your mind, like, onto paper, a song that had already been written. So like, you didn't intend to infringe copyright, but you fucking did. Yeah, because you have shared your brain because everybody's gonna shoot in their brain and you just wrote something that you thought was yours and wasn't so I don't know. We're all fucked.
Geoff 36:38
Yeah, it's all been written before. It's like there's a comedian group with a full chord song and I think we've mentioned it before in the podcast, but
Georgie 36:47
the most common chords used so so
Geoff 36:49
yeah, they they basically start the comedy sketch with like, playing they're all songs nowadays. I think in the written the last 50 years. 20 the Yeah, maybe, maybe 3020 30 years. It starts off with like, the exact same four chords and then they go through like and do a medley using the same four chords and just seeing like various seven songs like like Lion King. Also songs. Okay, gonna look it up for
Georgie 37:28
anyone in there.
Geoff 37:31
Look at this photograph. Four Chords Oh, I think it was the awesome I can't see
Georgie 37:45
the air. I carry what the video?
Geoff 37:48
Oh, yeah. The axis of awesome. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the video axis of awesome full chord song. But yeah. So they journey yourself in 23 song. Yeah. So they started off with journey. And they were like, Oh, you recognise this song. It's like don't start these play dead stop believing in and then they transition to your your beautiful by James blood. And then like using the same for calling for aggression. And whereas love by back Black Eyed Peas and they're like, go through 47 songs in the one song and then like, there's also another 36 So that's like, what 770 83 songs off the bat, just playing the full the same four chords. And imagine, imagine creating the full chord progression and trying to see all of these people
Georgie 38:49
say yes, like, you can't. Well, you can copyright a song. But yeah, like, how can granular Are you fucking going?
Geoff 38:58
Yeah, that's why I think it's really important to have good lawyers in this space. Because like they can argue for or against the fact that you've copyright you copied something. And I think it's just sort of like you have to be like, copy and paste. Same same chord, same chord progression, same lyrics same. I didn't know they tried to argue that Julie Sheeran,
Georgie 39:22
that was an issue and
Geoff 39:27
his sounds just like Charlie Puth I honestly think I'm the same person at this stage.
Georgie 39:33
But yeah, I think and share it. They were like this melody from that shape. Oh, Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye. Yeah, it was a big deal because you know,
Geoff 39:43
yeah. Let's see, what did he What did he influence the Ed Sheeran cleared of infringing copyright and Marvin Gaye lawsuit case centred on whether the children's hit thinking out loud ripped off Marvin Gaye, let's get Did on no way it was like
Georgie 40:01
in think it was in the bridge. So it wasn't the whole song or maybe it was like just a vocal part or something very like, if you're not attuned to like music you might not even notice that's like this was probably, I reckon this was a bit similar to the George Harrison thing I mentioned except I think in George Harrison's song, it was a bit more obvious because of the melody. But I think with the Ed Sheeran one, it was like, you wouldn't? You wouldn't know unless you were really? Anyway. Yeah,
Geoff 40:32
I reckon I reckon I can Michael Jackson's, like entire estate is just he knows now in in business as usual mode, which I think is just like going off to all the artists that are like ripping off his music, or like making sure they get royalties where people are using samples of their music. And that's just like, just a continuous train into the future of gaming money. But
Georgie 41:01
then no, like, begs the question, right? Like, why do you want the fucking money? Like, you're not like, I mean, because Michael Jackson's dead. Yeah. Right. So he, we don't know whether he'd give a shit or not. What if he's of the stance like, hey, it's really cool that these people were inspired by what I did. I don't think they just copied and pasted. Yeah, and he was and if he was alive, what if he was like, why are you doing this? Just so that money? Like I think they're, I guess
Geoff 41:27
the record, record the record labels? Right? I think that's probably the record labels we chasing up the did he own he owned his own record label. And he he owns all the rights to his songs, I think.
Georgie 41:41
Yeah, but it's a shame because also even with streaming services, right, sometimes people are like, why can I find this band? particular album? Like, I can see all of the elders, except this one. And I think it's something to do with the record labels like bailant. Man, this shit out. Anyway, the whole thing was like Taylor Swift. Like we're recording all the albums. Right? Yeah. Because
Geoff 42:05
the, the interesting thing is I, I went through a YouTube video, like detailing how Spotify is, like a forever loss company. Yeah,
Georgie 42:17
I think I might have seen the same video. Like, they're not making no profit. And it's like,
Geoff 42:22
and they haven't made profit in 10. Like, for the 10 years, their entire life span of Spotify has made no profit. And that's predominately because there's only three major record labels that own like, 90% of all music rights, which is Universal Music Group, Sony Music and Warner Music Group. So if they, if they do anything dif quite like different in pricing level to the other ones. Yeah, I think we watch the same video. Yeah, everyone can, like leave Spotify. Because Because all the music is all the music is on the other on the other, all the other streaming services, which is good for competition, but also bad for Spotify, because they can't make any money off it. This
Georgie 43:07
is the same video where they're like, oh, that's why they're trying to make podcasts and I'm like,
Geoff 43:10
Yeah, to Spotify. And it's like sunk billions of dollars into like, trying to create their own category just to make money. So yeah, I mean, there's no major record labels for podcasts, like, so. Yeah. Think about it. We don't need to like should be it through.
Georgie 43:31
Actually, it's so funny, because when I saw that video, I thought, what if they approached us list? What is my exclusive Toast? & Roast? I feel like I don't want to be exclusive though. Like for who? For what? Right? Like? Yeah, you know, like if they paid off okay, maybe hashtag side hustle. No, but like, I just feel wrong to anyone listening to this two hour Hello, five. Five, yes. That you would you have to use Spotify and I'm like,
Geoff 44:03
greatly reduces. Yeah, greatly reduces the potential for like, listen to your audience reach. But then think
Georgie 44:14
of the TV ones right? Like fuckin whatever, Hulu Stan, etcetera. Like all of that there's seven different ones. I don't want to subscribe to all of them. You want like if I want to watch something and so you're not going to get all my money? Big Ass businesses. Like you're only gonna get my money for the period of time want to watch the thing and then oh, fuck off.
Geoff 44:32
Yeah, that that that one's like a little bit harder, right? Because there's, like, hundreds of I don't know how you call them companies that own various TV shows and rights and things like that. in it. I think it's also fragmented because different countries have different different licences. So yeah, the video that's all All different story. Streaming streaming video. TV series is a big, big world. Anyways, what else is a big world? The ending to the podcast? Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 45:15
It's a big world. Yeah, so I'm gonna get that on a t shirt.
Geoff 45:20
The ending is a big world also said like something really grammatically incorrect at work as well, whereas saying this is the most correct. Whatever. Yes, yeah. Wait,
Georgie 45:37
aren't you either correct or not? Yeah,
Geoff 45:39
exactly. It just became a meme at work because like, Yes, this is the most correct or like the most right way of things, thing doing things. Anyways, how do we have the podcast again? there’s. You can follow us on nothing. You can, but you can eat. You can email us at Texturas pod@gmail.com.
Georgie 46:04
You can find our podcasts on Apple podcasts, Spotify, not exclusive just available. Wherever you listen to your podcasts and what did you say the big
Geoff 46:15
the big world? Well, the big ending. So everybody episodes every Monday. So see you next week. Bye.