Glorified snacks for tea, Zoom etiquette, and the argument for/against voice messages.
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Glorified snacks for tea, Zoom etiquette, and the argument for/against voice messages.
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Georgie 0:08
Hey
Geoff 0:19
welcome back. Everybody who started the podcast, nobody knows. I think we're talking about you going to Windsor last time, and I feel like I forgot why I asked. And so I'm gonna revisit that. Yeah. So why did you go to Windsor? Is my original question, I think
Georgie 0:45
it was Nick's grandma's birthday. And we wanted to do a high tea,
Geoff 0:50
because it's kind of like something different. Interesting.
Georgie 0:53
And she was pretty hell bent on not going to the city. Because she's like, Yeah, like the city is not great, and it's quite chaotic. And I thought that's fair enough. And next sister found a place in Windsor, which is at least the Crowne Plaza Hawkesbury or something like that.
Geoff 1:13
I think that's very fitting. Because Windsor is where the cast the castle, the royal family lives,
Georgie 1:24
don't it? Yeah, not
Geoff 1:25
here, but it's like Windsor. Isn't isn't England. Also has a high tea. Yeah, so has high tea here. So it's kind of fitting. So how's the high tea? Would?
Georgie 1:40
I actually kind of wouldn't. I like tea. And I'm a tea snob. Yes, high tea. I understand that. It can be like you just having glorified little sandwiches? With no yes. And over sweets, macrons and some strange pace pastries, whatever you want to call them. Like the hot food
Geoff 2:11
petit fours.
Georgie 2:12
Thank you. So in some ways,
Geoff 2:17
I've never seen I've never seen the thing I've never seen the spelling for
Georgie 2:24
correct petty petty, petty,
Geoff 2:27
petty, petty fours, small bites or confectionery or savory appetizers. So I guess in the the French is probably more English than French, I guess. Oh, where's the Oh yeah. For France. So is high tea actually French?
Georgie 2:46
On the shore where it originated?
Geoff 2:48
High tea.
Georgie 2:52
In full ice. What?
Geoff 2:54
Why does this wiki pedia look like it's from the 80s
Georgie 2:58
I think you in the mobile? Like has it done like a mobile view? And it looks
Geoff 3:06
I don't even know. Maybe it's changed. I
Georgie 3:08
don't normally have the contents on the side. I feel like Yeah.
Geoff 3:13
T is. Oh, well. We know key but like high tea. Oh, I didn't mean to create cream cream tea.
Georgie 3:24
Mr. it’s? Yeah, the way your afternoon
Geoff 3:26
tea is actually
Georgie 3:30
yeah, it is late afternoon or early evening.
Geoff 3:34
It's after Oh, there it is. It makes the cream tea. High cheese late afternoon. See? What time did you have high tea? It was like 12. Yeah, if we don't meet the requirements, five, five to 7pm
Georgie 3:52
you have I think 12 to two or something was that General? Time but some. I've been to others in Sydney and I've been to one of the UK and they they were not as early as 12
Geoff 4:07
We went to our last high tea we went to was like 9:30am 10am basically brunch?
Georgie 4:18
What is that? What is brunch?
Geoff 4:21
Yes, it's like a large meal between like 1010 and 12. Right.
Georgie 4:28
I have lunch today. Guess what time it was?
Geoff 4:31
Like 2pm Like 1230 or something?
Georgie 4:37
Like what is you know what I mean? Like what is
Geoff 4:39
you could say that brunch is to is like either breakfast items at lunchtime or you can say it's between like nine to 12pm Where are you like it's kinda lunchtime but also kind of breakfast time and you're having breakfast food I reckon.
Georgie 4:56
The thing is, like did not have breakfast food, because that's it I feel like
Geoff 5:01
there's no that's not brunch then. No breakfast food was consumed at lunchtime. You just I just Yeah, I just had lunch Nick
Georgie 5:09
had eggs on toast. Eggs with like avocado toast.
Geoff 5:14
He had brunch. You did not have
Georgie 5:18
you had lunch? I had I had chicken waffles. What? Oh,
Geoff 5:24
chicken waffles is first of all, the greatest invention of all time. Like, besides the burger, chicken and waffles, if done right. I think you have brunch. They gotta be good. Yeah, cuz cuz chicken and waffles. Or chicken and waffles is technically a lunch thing, I think. Oh, like it did. I think I disagree
Georgie 5:43
because I went to Seattle, and I had chicken waffles. And it was about 10am. Well,
Geoff 5:49
I want to insert American plays here because I don't actually remember where it was probably like. I remember it was on the way to Grand Canyon or on the way back from the Grand Canyon. So somewhere in my I don't know where the Grand Canyon is now. Nevada.
Georgie 6:08
Where is it? I think
Geoff 6:11
Grand Canyon. This is like totally. Geography one on one.
Georgie 6:20
Way, Arizona
Geoff 6:21
way. Arizona, Nevada, Arizona. Wherever that's what for
Georgie 6:25
Fada and Arizona are two different.
Geoff 6:31
You I watched it. I watched the real. I watched it. I want to tell the story again. I guess so.
Georgie 6:39
Is that on the border? Forgive our
Geoff 6:43
Yeah, lack of I mean, I mean, Mojave Desert flag stuff. That sounds like Canyon. Great base this thing Salt Lake City, Utah and Arizona. Yeah,
Georgie 7:00
I'm gonna be there. But I'm not going the Grand Canyon. Oh, it's Nevada next to it. Hang
Geoff 7:04
on a minute. It's Nevada. Right. There we go. It's like not entirely out of the ballpark.
Georgie 7:11
No, hang on. No, you're looking at that wrong. What?
Geoff 7:16
Yeah, I know, it's out in Arizona. But I said Nevada. And it's not that far off. It's not it's like not like on the other side of the United States. Even though I probably thought it was a slight tangent. I was watching like a video or whatever. And the guy was interviewing teenagers in the United States. And he was like, how many? How many states are there? And they're just like, I don't know. 55. And there's 50 states. And then he asks, all right, so what do you think the stars on our on our on the American flag represent? They're like, yeah, the states, but but none of them got it right, though. Just like, I don't know. Now, and then. Yeah, naming them is a friend's friends meme for sure. But yeah, it was really it was really funny. Because I mean, there are a lot of states and I can imagine that no one would know them. But
Georgie 8:21
I think I've been to a lot of them, actually.
Geoff 8:25
I mean, yeah, it's quite interesting, right? Even though they're so close by they all have very distinct cultures. Yeah.
Georgie 8:35
So like people have said, I think I think it was a British person who moved to the US and said, All everyone says all Americans are so like, oh, they never get out of their country or whatever. Like Europe, people in Europe go next, the country across or whatever, they travel a lot. And this guy said, but if you go from one state to know that they're completely different, so sometimes they're tourists in their own country, because each state is actually very different. So yeah, can't really tell them that they're not like, I don't know, culture or whatever. But it is did they do Yeah. In in their country? Yeah.
Geoff 9:11
I mean, out of the risk of being a little too political. I think it's I think it's like mostly, like a contributing factor would be that each of the states have such autonomy in their government, that it almost feels like a different country. When you go from state like state to state. Yeah.
Georgie 9:33
Taxes are fucking different right from each. Yeah,
Geoff 9:37
the laws are different. Again, I watched some Have you had a legal Eagle? It sounds on YouTube is basically like a lawyer and influencer. So he does things like reacting to legal shows and telling you how it how it actually works. And then He was busting some myths on on Reddit, like Reddit myths. And it's sort of like, oh, one of the myths is that it's illegal to marry your cousin. In Where did you know it's illegal to marry a cousin? In wet? Or did you? Did you think it's illegal to marry your cousin?
Georgie 10:19
Well, we talk about America, we're talking about like, yeah, America? Well, I didn't know it was like, according to the law, not allowed. You know? Like, I just thought that people,
Geoff 10:30
would you? Yeah. Would you think that there's that it's a reasonable thing to say that it's illegal to marry your cousin
Georgie 10:37
seems reasonable to me?
Geoff 10:40
Well, it depends, right. So yeah. first cousin, it's actually really specific, like your first cousin, it's, it's actually legal to marry your first cousin. In a lot of states. It is only very few states that it's like, illegal to marry your first cousin if you knew them as your first cousin. So it's not illegal if you don't know. And it's illegal. If you do know, maybe. But it's, it's that though. Yeah, so a lot of states, it's like, it's actually legal to my first cousin, I think I can't remember the exact quote, but it just means it just like kind of depends on your, on the state. And, like, the rules that they put in place. So you could have a state that's like, a bunch of cousins marrying each other, but you also have a state that's not it's like next to each other. Yeah, that's just how to spread there. But it makes for an interesting country, right. I mean, the only thing I can think of as like Melbourne and Sydney are quite different, if any. They're not very different, but because I remember this, I remember looking looking this up or watching a video about it. Like 1980s was like a, I don't know 1980s. Probably Probably like 1980 ish, maybe 1970s. But apparently, there was a there was a really pivotal moment where said like New South Wales and Melbourne were both given, you know, like, a budget a budget of course. Yeah. And Melbourne decided to pump all its money into arts programs and culture programs to like, yeah, booster, art and culture. And Sydney, New South Wales chose to boost tourism.
Unknown Speaker 12:50
So 80s 70s
Geoff 12:52
I don't know. It's, at some point,
Georgie 12:55
I saw a video about Darling Harbour in the 90s. And it was like a kind of a montage of all its footage of that area. During that time. Where had the monorail going? The I think the aquarium and stuff was still quite new. They had the seagull world and that IMAX,
Geoff 13:18
there you go. It's probably around that time. Yeah.
Georgie 13:22
And people were saying in the comments. Oh, like, I just miss, like, I look at Darling Harbour these days. And I'm like, why does it just like feel different. And then you realize in that time that they put they they made the hot I think it was like the slogan or whatever. It was like darling harbor for the people. It's like for the people. And these days, it doesn't feel like they're really focused on that anymore. And then now whatever they're doing with the harbor side shopping center,
Geoff 13:48
I think it was a bullshit to say that it was for the people. But
Georgie 13:53
if you watch the videos, it feels it feels like you know, people went there with their families and all of that kind of stuff or whatever. Yeah. It was just a different vibe to like, today. Yeah.
Geoff 14:05
Well, so I think it was it was around that time because there was a lot of tourism based things popping up. So you've, you've lived it, I guess. And then some some Melbourne gets all these like artistic, like graduates. They're all like trying to hone their craft, like specifically coffee, or any other any other artistic craft, right. And then you get like a whole bunch of markets that have lots and lots of distinct flavors of food and stuff. But Sydney was like opera house bridge, and then you're like, Well, what did they what did we get from that? We get tourism. And that's kind of like how our culture had divided at that point in time when they decided to like boost different things.
Georgie 14:56
That is true, like, I mean, but we didn't make the beaches. They were there.
Geoff 15:01
Yeah, the beaches were just there. Or maybe maybe they they pumped money into beautification of the beaches, like, you know, like, does it more clean than the Melbourne beaches? I guess they had, we have beaches, whereas Melbourne doesn't have very many beaches. You
Georgie 15:17
think about like transport How do you think transport and the trans like the transport network? Yeah.
Geoff 15:25
So I keep hearing this every now and then that Sydney is a top tier public transport location and you
Georgie 15:35
sound like you don't agree.
Geoff 15:38
I mean, maybe maybe it's because I live here. Maybe it's like grasses like like, we only know our system and we're always biased against it. Because we live it.
Georgie 15:50
Yeah, I literally I literally had a conversation with some ex co workers about this the other day. And when you think about it, for the city that we we are and that we have whatever urban sprawl and you know, right out to like Parramatta and Penrith, you still have so many people living and there's like like Parramatta could be a certain city I think Penrice could be as well. The the rail network you can get? What is it? How far is Parramatta like 25 kilometers or whatever? Yeah, need to find that out in
Geoff 16:25
the distance 15
Georgie 16:26
and a half miles. You can get there in like half an hour from the city from downtown. As you pips in the USA and in other cities to travel that much distance could take you a really long time and be very expensive. So 25
Geoff 16:48
minutes, the distance is 23 kilometers. Yeah. Maybe 1616 months.
Georgie 16:56
Yeah, maybe 1515 and a half.
Geoff 16:59
What so one, one hour and 11 minute, bus 25 Wave 25 training. I
Georgie 17:09
think the strength is in the train network, especially when you go out further distances. And I don't think other cities have that. But I know that other cities probably not as like, spread out. Or whatever. Yeah,
Geoff 17:23
yeah. I think like where do you Yeah. So I mean, my my experience with the train system and actually public transit public transport system in San Francisco was very limited. I got to so let's Soma south of South Market so
Georgie 17:51
far is that
Geoff 17:57
but I remember taking a lot more buses South of Market. Yeah, that's what Soma South Amok I need to get my lingo correct. So South South of Market is just south the markets straight, I think. But yes, yeah. I mean, I took the tram. Right. I did that. So I took the bus. And then I took the tram down town to some so like, in I mean, I took the bus around Mission District. Yeah. But I think yeah, the tram is only really useful from getting top of the city down town and then that's about it. And then you have to take the bus everywhere else. So maybe yeah, maybe could be leaving me more wanting they're
Georgie 18:46
not as walkable unless you get used to walking on massive Hill.
Geoff 18:51
Yeah. The I think the the car culture speaks a lot in America.
Georgie 19:00
I did. I did watch a video about about the car culture and how the suburbs were built. Because of the history of the car and how the car developed. I don't remember like the details, but there was some guy who was involved with planning like suburbs around the fact that people are happy to have a car and people travel in cars. So suburbs in the US are just kind of cookie cutter because of that. Yes.
Geoff 19:31
So I think all the two degree I agree that New South Wales probably has a very good public transport system. But my in my data points are San Francisco and Japan, and Sydney, Melbourne and Perth. Where Yeah, like so further As you don't know, it's very north and south of the river. So you only really have a train that's efficient going from the north to the south of the river, and then east to west, you actually have to get off at CBD and then hop on it, and then walk to a different train station altogether to go from east to west. And that's really annoying. And I don't know how frequent those are. But it's very much dependent on the car culture around Perth. People all be it's a very suburban city. So people are driving Portland,
Georgie 20:38
Portland, Oregon is quite similar to Perth. Like, it's divided by the Willamette River. And I don't know, but every time like, I've stayed mostly on like, the East Side, and it just feels like such a fucking chore.
Geoff 20:51
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you got all you always get this debate in Perth, like, your southla river or your north of the river. And it's just sort of like a contentious point for some reason. We also have it in Sydney. I guess we have. We have the north, above the east side is west side. But yeah, over the bridge north of north of bridge. In any case, I think I think New South Wales, I mean, melt Melbourne's tram system is basically useless to be honest. It faster. Yeah, it takes too many stops. And you just may as well walk like you said.
Georgie 21:38
Unless you're going a little bit out, like Fitzroy or something.
Geoff 21:46
So a co worker, moved recently moved our border house. And I don't even know how that I mean, it was planned that way now that I know that we've
Georgie 21:59
kind of plan to buy
Geoff 22:02
work together like we like. So they, they bought a house, right? And then I was thinking okay, so from bits and pieces of information every now and then, apparently it takes two buses and a train to get the city in wet or in Melbourne in Melbourne in Melbourne. Yeah, well, maybe two buses to get to the city or bus and train. So if the train goes down, you're like fuck to pretty much buy. And I was like, why would you do that? And it's all because we can work from home. So if that perk ever goes away, they're in trouble, essentially. So they've narrowed down their job opportunities.
Georgie 22:45
Yeah, work from home. I find it quite valuable. Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah.
Geoff 22:52
But it's like, opens opens options. Yeah, if
Georgie 22:55
I was think about moving somewhere else to a different area. And like, if I had to go to an office, I'd have to care about how do i Yeah, and whatnot. But it's nice to not worry, I guess.
Geoff 23:13
It's both limitless. They're both limiting factors, right? If you have to go the office, you have to care about the train system. If you don't have to go to the office, then you don't have to care care about public transport. But that could change at any point in time.
Georgie 23:28
So it's any business moving target. Hey, you need to come into the office now. Mandated? Yeah,
Geoff 23:35
yeah. Which I've heard a lot of a lot of, like smaller companies have realized that their culture is kind of taking a hit from not having people come into the office as often. So they're trying to encourage people or mandate people to go three days or four days a week.
Georgie 23:57
So what is useless? Like what do you mean? Yeah, you can work home one day of
Geoff 24:01
the week. Yeah. Yeah, and then you take it. I mean, a friend of mine was doing the calculation around that. And it's like, by actually, if I were to actually have to go the office four days a week, how much would it cost? Yeah. And not only the cost of public transport taxes? No. Not only the cost of public transport, but also the cost of time, right? You spend two hours of every day I used
Georgie 24:33
to live in Western Sydney. I like, like three hours of my day. No, no, that's kidding. That's exaggerating. But yeah, an hour each way.
Geoff 24:44
I mean, you also have to account for prep time, like you got to actually prepare to go to the office and then and then also,
Georgie 24:53
we're talking like door to door, right? You could be like, yeah, it takes this long, but like how long did it take you to the train station like What if you have a bus and a train? And then the waiting time involved?
Geoff 25:02
Yeah. And then and then you miss the train, like the missed the transit overlap, and you just like, now you're waiting for the bus, the next bus right? Or the next train? Because buses aren't exactly on time. So you end up like, Okay, three hours. Okay, so you get home and the next working exactly, you know, so you actually spending your time. And so if you pay if you get paid like 5060 bucks an hour, that's already 100 $120 An hour $120 for their back
Georgie 25:43
to do timesheets or something or whatever job you have. Exactly.
Geoff 25:46
So it's like a greater cost than you might think, as I Oh, yeah, it's just a 20 minute train. But there's a lot of things, I
Georgie 25:56
guess, out Yeah, out like trains, I think they kept at a certain amount. Yeah,
Geoff 26:02
I think that. But like you said, it's door to door, and it takes you three hours extra. And it's like they were doing the calculation as if, as if like, how much extra does it cost me to get from door to door every day to get to the office. And then they're like trying to factor that into the salary. So if you want me to go door to door, it'll cost me this much. So you have to pay me this much like extra on top to get me to go to the office. I'm like, that's a pretty interesting calculation to make. Yeah. So yeah, if you choose to, you know, move out further. And the cost is greater to you to go to the office, then maybe changing to a job that doesn't actually have the word from her benefits, like, like impacts you more than other people might think.
Georgie 26:58
Yeah, I definitely think people will have this on their, like, whatever checklists or like, whatever you call it, when they look for new jobs.
Geoff 27:07
what's your what's your take on work from home? Do you do you think? Yeah, yeah, just in general.
Georgie 27:14
I like the flexibility of working from home. But I do like to have Yeah, they maybe like I go to the owl, we work. Like we don't have space anymore. So I just use the we work and once a week. And that's okay. That's actually like, fine for me. I feel like maybe it'd be different if we actually had our own space again. I'd want to see people see colleagues and stuff like that, but I do like, yeah, the flexibility of working from home is like, I can go and do my laundry. Feeding and then I can, you know, yeah, take it out, like at lunchtime, or whatever. I guess like, I can make my own food or home or get kinda like whatever I want. Cuz buying food for lunch is like, Oh, I have to line up in a queue, or I have to do have to pick something ahead of time, or might be spending more money. Or I could, you know, make my lunch at home and then bring it in. But then like, if I'm going into the, if I'm going in, then I will need time in the morning to prepare my lunch and so on.
Geoff 28:24
Yeah, but I mean, do you do you think it's like, inherently, like being good for a company to actually do work work from home policy? Versus or having everyone in the office? I has?
Georgie 28:41
It's hard to say because I only have like my own company. I work for to go off. Right. But
Geoff 28:48
you haven't had any issues with, like, collaboration or anything?
Georgie 28:53
Not really. No.
Geoff 28:58
I think there's I think there's I think I think your your situation is like the best case. Yeah. So we because you've had the same team for a long time. Yeah. And you've had the same team before work from home and during work from home. Yeah. But I have like, yeah, I can see how new people who possibly have never met their colleagues would struggle from where the work from home policy. Yeah. And I so I'm seeing I'm seeing there's lots of like, downsides so far from home policy. Cuz Yeah, like, like the Not everyone's adept at online communications. Like, you know, we grew up pretty much with our friend friends circle online. So we're like, adept at communicating our thoughts. odds to somebody almost instantaneously, as we think think them. But yeah, I don't know, I don't think everyone knows operates this way. Yeah,
Georgie 30:08
I definitely noticed some people struggling and they would prefer to be like, Hey, can I call you on Zoom? So we can chat about this? And I know some people who are just like, oh, fuck, I don't want to go on. Like, I don't want to talk. I'm in the middle of like working or whatever. And it's very different. Because in the office, you could be like, walk up to someone, tap them on the shoulder, or, yeah, it's easy to go, are you free for a few minutes, I need help.
Geoff 30:35
I've also noticed a bit of an interesting culture around the Zoom calls. Because also, I think there's a pretty interesting psychology around actually asking someone to go into a zoom call. Yes. So if you think about the pattern, right? At what point in the conversation over slack, or teams or whatever, you're using us as a instant messenger, you ask for a zoom call? Most of the time, it
Georgie 31:09
depends on the person. 100% depends on the person. Yeah, definitely. So someone who I've worked with a lot, just gonna say my boss, Chris, I'll just be like, Hey, do you what is zoom? Like, do you want to go into it? i Right. And the purpose is, there is there is no purpose necessarily. There's no agenda for meeting or whatever. But yeah, actually to sit there and like CO work and to chat. Yeah, working on whatever. And that requires a certain amount of report. Like, yeah,
Geoff 31:42
yeah, there's definitely some people I would just go, I just put a zoom in, I just put just, I just put a link. Yeah. I'm just like, he has a link, and everyone joins. It doesn't join. It's like,
Georgie 32:00
but yeah. Other than that, though, people I probably work with less frequently, who, maybe I maybe I'm not working with them, but maybe they need help. And it's pretty much stick to Slack until you realize that it's kind of difficult to explain over, like, written communication. And then you might be like, you asked, we're just on top a zoo. Yeah, it would be like, okay, like, do you want to have a quick chat in five minutes? I think I can explain this better.
Geoff 32:35
And I think that's sort of like, maybe a friction point. I don't know if it happens to everybody. Because obviously, we work in most service type teams, where we're actually we're actually having conversations with a wide variety of people. And we're helping them achieve something. So maybe our our circumstances are unique. But, but people will still
Georgie 33:01
go Oh, do you, like out of nowhere? Do you have five minutes for a zoom? And I'm like, Yeah, I don't What is this regarding? Like, well?
Geoff 33:12
Yeah, exactly. You don't have an agenda. And you don't have rapport with someone they like, it's just it just offends you on some level that you haven't seen.
Georgie 33:23
But I also wonder if it's a generational thing, because I've seen this like memes on Instagram. Where, where? Yeah, like, basically, I'm like a troll my response to anyone going, like cold just out calling them
Geoff 33:40
cold. Yeah. Cold zoom in. But But yeah, I think I've realized that some work patterns, because you're going through a lot of like, text messages, because I guess we're all trying to work, work over, you know, instant messaging system of some sort. Usually, a zoom ends up being the last resort. Yeah. And usually at that point, both parties are a little bit annoyed. That's to some degree, because it became apparent that you couldn't communicate effectively enough during text. So at so like the, to a degree, I feel like zoom being the last resort, no matter the circumstance is still is still a last resort. Not the first resort, which which might have saved you more pain and suffering, but it is last resort. So when you hop on a zoom, your both parties are essentially already a little bit frustrated. And I think that's what that's how like, Zoom becomes a big a big No no or big barrier just by pure culture. All right. So I think that's like a weird psychology around like, you say your doors open. But Zoom is inherently a negative thing to ask for. Because at that point, you're both pretty, like put at the same level of frustration has been reached where Zoom is necessary. Yeah, that's what I that's what I've been noticing anyways. So, man, I know, it's like a stigma for to have zoom. But if you're working, if you're working in the office, and you see each other face to face, you're just like, Hey, can I get your take on this? Yeah.
Georgie 35:45
You've
Geoff 35:46
you've not actually reached the point of frustration with the person yet. You're just asking them a question.
Georgie 35:54
What are you like, No, I'm busy.
Geoff 35:57
And that's, that's your that's that's your your, your, like prerogative. But I mean, and then you get like, you get off course organic collaboration from other people hearing you talk. And they're also not just being curious and not like, I don't understand what you're saying. Like, please. Let's have just have a zoom. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like that's like, the pattern that I'm seeing. And it just, yeah, now zoom is kind of like a negative thing. To me. At least. Yeah, I
Georgie 36:33
feel I'm notices for a while though. Yeah,
Geoff 36:36
I mean, it's just it's a matter of work from home. And I feel like it's like attributed I think
Georgie 36:43
sometimes having a video call someone just like, do you remember when, when was
Geoff 36:49
Skype was just like,
Georgie 36:51
Yeah, well, in the morning work from home context, when we first started working from home, like pandemic or whatever. And then you'd have to zoom with someone. I remember that feeling awkward. Yeah, yeah. Like, I had not really used vid like, What the hell, I hadn't used video calls very much at all, maybe wants to like video call a family member or something, FaceTime? Yeah. And so to use in a work context, it was like, what? And then so everyone's finding it very normal. And everyone's in the boxes and stuff. And now Now it's actually like, it's very normal to just see people in boxes.
Geoff 37:30
Yeah, and then and then you get you get this surprise when you meet them in person of how tall? Yeah. I didn't realize you were this short or really tall. Because zoom has just like, put everyone in a box. But it is kind of wild. Back in the day, that wasn't very much. Like we only just got the voice as a comfortable thing to do over the internet. I think after instant messaging, that was Skype. So we had Skype calls. We only really videoed with your family members, because I just moved away from my family. Instantly when I was finished with uni,
Georgie 38:14
what is your take on voice messages?
Geoff 38:18
Oh, I hate them. Yeah, it's I mean, I understand if I mean, the Chinese language is pretty pretty, like tonal or whatever. So you can't really, it's probably easier for Chinese to speak Chinese rather than just typing it. But I don't I don't get it. I don't get
Georgie 38:43
to it like a few years ago. And now like, I actually like it.
Geoff 38:48
I don't have I don't have earbuds in all the time to listen to it. The public. It
Georgie 38:55
becomes like a like you don't lead to listen to it now or even while you're texting and you're just like, Oh, I'll listen to your message later, or whatever I need you do so when you're going for a walk or something, and sometimes I'm sending messages to my friends and voice when I'm going for a walk because I don't know if you have some friends who do like the giant wall of text. Sometimes I'm like, Oh my god. Either way, like sometimes it actually is tiring to like, type and before voice messages went dictation. And I'm just stuff in the end which was which was fine. But it's still like a mat to like some typos. Yeah, so Apple does has recently done like transcripts for the voice but yeah,
Geoff 39:36
voicemail transcripts. Yeah,
Georgie 39:39
if you like, if you don't have headphones, you can still kind of read the transcript. But even if you don't have headphones, I've seen people like they will just play
Geoff 39:47
it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's just so annoying. It's out in public and you're listening. It's like holding your phone like this. But
Georgie 39:56
yeah, at first I was so awkward with it. And then I just got really used to it and I if I use airports and I'm just walking and talking. Yeah. Phone call most of the time
Geoff 40:08
I have this I had this this voicemail this voicemail that I got just quickly so it got transcribed by our like iOS or Apple like iPhone. And it said this is transcription jelly shampoo here he's yelling yet you can be so trash you watching I need to shit shit I need to that's what the transcription I need to I need to shit shit no shit and then shit. Double shit
like what what on earth is this voicemail like five words again with a jelly jelly shampoo here he's yelling. I need to Yeah, yet you can be so trashed you watching. I need to shit shit.
Georgie 41:11
Was Was it like cut off or was it?
Geoff 41:12
No, no. That's the whole transcript. That's the whole transcript. Yeah, you guessed it was actually a Chinese message. And it was it was incorrectly. She was probably the thing that I just sent it to you.
Georgie 41:35
Oh my god. Hey, we gotta go back to the high tea topic.
Geoff 41:38
All right, right. Right. Right. So.
Georgie 41:43
Okay, so I didn't write the high tea. Yeah, it is more of a occasion rather than writing a food and the tea as anything actually like
Geoff 41:56
Mac Yeah, it's so it's more the more the wear out a birthday. Oh, we're at like, a celebration.
Georgie 42:04
Yeah, it makes it fancy. Because like the So anyway, the place I went, I mean, I named them so anyway, I'm just gonna be honest. I got a tape a pot of tea, which is nice and stuff, but it was just a tea bag.
Geoff 42:17
Oh.
Georgie 42:20
I'm like man wasn't even like
Geoff 42:22
cheap loose. Yeah.
Georgie 42:26
I could have done that at home. That's
Geoff 42:29
that's burrito. Okay. We went to vow Cleese will pass for the bone clues about Klis vocalese. House for high tea. This sounds quite highly rated. It's all it's not that expensive, I think was $65. Yeah,
Georgie 42:47
person was about 65 per person as well.
Geoff 42:50
I gotta say, there it was, it is probably the best it have been to. And I'll say because A, they actually upfront tell you that. The men we they give you the menu, they describe the menu to you. You know what it cut? Well, you know what's there. But on top of that, they're like, they recognize that there are a lot of sweets. And most people don't get round to the sweets or finishing the sweets. And they upfront tell you will hand you boxes to take away the sweets. So don't worry about finishing the sweets. And I'm like, holy crap, that is top notch service.
Georgie 43:37
Why wouldn't you just take it with you anyway? And any? Well, well, well, that's
Geoff 43:41
the thing, right? Like, you actually have to ask for takeaway boxes or you're just trying to finish it. I feel like people try to finish the finish the whole thing, just out of like, oh, we paid so much for this. We can't leave without finishing it and then like stress about it. You know, I
Georgie 43:57
think it's a completeness thing as well, because it's served on like plates
Geoff 44:00
or Yeah, yeah, yeah, tear things.
Georgie 44:03
I have to like I'm getting I'm progressing to the next level suites. I have to finish this. We have to finish the big boss.
Geoff 44:09
Yeah. So a I was like, Oh, that's a really nice thing. Of course, if you're a takeaway mindset, then you're like, you're not gonna you're not going to worry about it. And then they say after you finish your savory stuff, we will then serve you the scones. Oh, yeah. So So you finish the savory things and then they serve you fresh as baked scones. I think that honestly, I
Georgie 44:36
can't remember but they were like two scones per person. Because I was
Geoff 44:42
yeah, the ones going but Fezzan that’s Tea scones is too much but I mean, like there for this best skirts I've ever tasted. And then I was like, okay, so I then like the tower was fairly good. We get rated pretty much everything was pretty Good and the macarons at the top where the and we took away all the sweets and Elva most of the sweets. And usually I find that high tea kind of leaves me wanting, like, sometimes not full.
Georgie 45:16
Yeah, get full from high tea.
Geoff 45:18
I don't know how it is my head.
Georgie 45:20
I feel like I do get full from high tea and I'm surprised because but I think because I also don't eat a lot of sweet, like cakes and shit like that. So the that’s there is more than I've eaten, like, two weeks or something.
Geoff 45:34
So yeah, maybe. Yeah, I guess I could depends on how full or hungry you are. At that time, because you also set what 1212 We had.
Georgie 45:50
I had a workout in the morning and I didn't eat it.
Geoff 45:54
Anyways. Well, I usually don't eat small things. Like DECA station is not fun for me.
Georgie 46:02
Is it not fun for anyone? I mean, I don't. It's like yeah, terrified. That's what it is. We have we talked about this before. No, I think we had a thing about.
Geoff 46:14
I mean, I don't get full I feel. So I'm a big meal person. So giving me kind of pays one by one. And I just like lose my appetite. Like, halfway through. It's okay. It's okay. We're going to do an eight. A cause canopies. And I'm like, lost my appetite after the first two even though I'm still technically able, like hungry. Yeah. My appetites lost. And I feel like eating because it's weird. Constant consistent. Yeah. Consistently. Yeah. You're not eating continuously at
Georgie 46:50
a pace like Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 46:52
My own pace. Snacking. Yeah, snacks. Yeah, it's super expensive. But this is 60 $65 I think is reasonable for like a full point five rated high tea. Anyways, so unfortunate that your high tea was not that great. But the company was
Georgie 47:13
good. So it's fine. Like, yeah, it was a good celebration. That's the thing.
Geoff 47:17
Yeah. vocalese house is by so for those who don't know, it's owned by the Vaucluse family. But they actually they don't that's loads of loads of houses in this like a big lat big ass plot of land and eastern suburbs, which is super expensive,
Georgie 47:34
fancy area, like people are expensive.
Geoff 47:38
Oh, yeah. The the most expensive high schools there too.
Georgie 47:43
Can't remember everything expensive, but the height is,
Geoff 47:46
is Yeah, so the high tea is hosted in their, in their dining hall. Or not, even though it's not that big. They can fit like 100 people in it. It's a wedding venue as well. It's a wedding venue. So while we're having high tea, like they had the all the wedding, like there was tons of people coming in for tours for them to plan their weddings. So it's like super awkward for us to be eating and then like listening to like, Oh, this is you we can fit 100 people in here we can do different configurations. They were setting up for a wedding. I think a reception like man, like like a wedding was ready to be cracked up and right after we finish eating it. Alright to like, Yeah, but it's actually quite nice because they've opened it up as as kind of like a museum as well. So you can explore the house and then like that, you can get an audio tour of what it was like to live in the 1980s or 70s in the house. So we looked at the of course the donees which go nowhere. Yeah, they have they had like a they have like a mosaic or like a fancy ass toilet bowl. And it goes nowhere because of course you get the servants to pick up. Really? Yeah, they don't go anywhere. They need to shit shit and
Georgie 49:17
yeah, there we go.
Geoff 49:22
Yeah. Oh, and one last thing. So in the in the bedroom. They have multiple beds in the bedrooms. Even though they have so many bedrooms in the house. It's kids, kids. Yeah, they have a chamber pot, but it's just guys. It's disguised as a chest of drawers. So your your bedside table like a two drawer bedside table. If you if you grab grab the handle of the bottom drawer it just like it just like lifts up the whole a whole top of it lifts up as a as one piece. It folds folds to the back and then it reveals a chamber pot. So they hide the chamber pot in a day
Georgie 50:03
like as in general was there anything they built around that for for?
Geoff 50:06
Yeah for I mean for the rich this is obviously rich people but like so they have a chamber pot and then they built a chest of drawers like looking like being on top of it and then you can just you can just open it like a chest. I could regular chest and then take a shit on sweets these days. Yeah, it's complete bathroom. Like I mean, we just built a room before the chamber pot. Let's be real.
Georgie 50:35
We did. Yeah.
Geoff 50:37
Yeah, yeah, we got plumbing and but I mean, if you take a like a take a dump in the middle of the night, of course this servant is going to be there to like, empty it out when you go out to play next day.
Georgie 50:49
Does one take a dump in the middle of the night? Like yeah,
Geoff 50:53
now Oh, it's also a play room. It's also like the kids playroom so the there'll be like they sleep and they play and then like they might need to go to the toilet. Yeah, it's a multipurpose
Georgie 51:06
kiddies might need to potty Yeah,
Geoff 51:08
I mean, you Ah Do we not do that nowadays? Like do kids not have their like the bedroom and then and a playroom at the same time? Maybe
Georgie 51:16
some separate most of the time? Yeah. Wait maybe
Geoff 51:19
when a baby when it's a baby you have caught and then you have a play play pen nearby.
Georgie 51:25
But then yeah, they're not have nappies then so that means Yeah,
Geoff 51:29
they don't have had maybe not
Georgie 51:32
what fell in the chamber? No, it's
Geoff 51:34
more like Fatah. Like for like kids like yeah, like, like thought like eight to 10 Eight to 10 like eight to 10 year old is has their own bedroom. They're old enough for their own bedroom. Yeah, they're also need a toilet. Yeah, because they're their chamber pot. Their official toilet. It's like on the on the third floor down like you have to get like climb three flights of stairs to get to the bedrooms. And so they keep that Jin Tae and toilets low. They don't have a fire pole that goes
Georgie 52:04
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 52:09
Speed down to the toilet. He has wild. They also have half floors. Like they have like a Yeah, so you can go up the stairs. And then you can have a door and then you have a floor and then you can continue further up the same staircase. So like, yeah, there's a landing that has a door to a room and then the contents decades continues.
Georgie 52:35
Some of those like old video games that went like castles and stuff and just very like,
Geoff 52:42
Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I mean, you should check it out sometime. Cuz it's pretty interesting. But the chamber pot in the kid's bedroom, you can't actually find that that just so happens that we had there was a there was a maintenance person there or tour guide person in the in the kids room. And they and then they let one of the kids like like pasta, pasta guided pole rail, whatever
Georgie 53:11
they were working on. So the Roman can't You
Geoff 53:15
can't you can't go right directly into room. So outside. You go into the room and there's a there's a there's like a rope. That's a rope way and you can't actually go all the way into the room. But the chamber pot is right in the back corner of the room. And so the person the guy the guide actually let the kid go all the way into the room. And then they showed off this chamber pot. They didn't chamber thought that like you don't get to see that because obviously you can't go past the rope there. So yeah, anyways, speaking of roped areas, this is the end of the episode. You can follow us on nothing. You can email us at toastroastpod@pm.me You can
Georgie 54:03
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Geoff 54:13
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