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50: Putting the dough in the nut

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A trip through doughnut lane with a short stop at Portland, and a quick gander through playing games like GeoGuessr and Wikipedia racing with coworkers.

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A trip through doughnut lane with a short stop at Portland, and a quick gander through playing games like GeoGuesser and Wikipedia racing with coworkers.

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Geoff  0:00  

Hi and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I’m your co host Geoff and as always, I’m here with my co host, Georgie. How is it going?


Georgie  0:20  

It’s good. I bought some doughnuts.


Geoff  0:22  

Yeah, doughnuts always make the day better. What did you get?


Georgie  0:26  

Oh, it was at Grumpy Doughnuts in...


Geoff  0:29  

Oh, I’ve heard about these.


Georgie  0:32  

In Camperdown. So—


Geoff  0:34  

You went all the way to Camperdown.


Georgie  0:36  

So we’re originally going to go to Donut Papi.


Geoff  0:41  



Georgie  0:41  

P, A, P , I? No.


Geoff  0:43  

Oh, Papi. Oh, I have heard of Donut Papi.


Georgie  0:48  

And I just feel—so you have, what you have? Heard of it?


Geoff  0:50  

No, I’ve heard of them. But I haven’t had them.


Georgie  0:53  

Okay, so—


Geoff  0:53  

All very artisanal level doughnuts. I’ve only had Shortstop. It’s probably the closest thing to these two.


Georgie  1:01  

Yeah, I’m, I’m, we we don’t have to talk about it. But I’m a bit of a doughnut snob. But anyway.


Geoff  1:07  

Why are you a doughnut snob? What, what was your first time you had a doughnut?


Georgie  1:12  

Well Donut Papi was closed. That’s why we went to Grumpy Doughnuts, which my friend Chris mentioned. And I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot that that existed. But the thing I really want to point out about Donut Papi is that they have a giant doughnut that’s shaped like a penis.


Geoff  1:28  

Haha, there we go. XL dicknuts.


Georgie  1:30  

XL dicknuts. And it’s about as big as six doughnuts I think.


Geoff  1:35  

No way. “Usually 10 inches or more”... usually. Usually. Okay, so for everybody playing in the real world. 10 inches in cm is 25.4 centimetres.


Georgie  1:49  

Get my trusty ruler. My trusty bendy ruler from school. Yeah. Why? Why am I a doughnut snob? Because yeah, one day I realised that I simply could not stand those piece of shit cinnamon doughnuts from the supermarket.


Geoff  2:09  

Ah, there’s so good though. Like you—


Georgie  2:11  



Geoff  2:11  

...put them in the microwave. Ah, they’re like (chefs kiss)—


Georgie  2:15  



Geoff  2:15  

But having said that.


Georgie  2:16  

They are dry as balls! They are...


Geoff  2:19  

They’re so—okay, you got to get them fresh. I think getting them fresh is key. And I had friends who say that they just add extra cinnamon to their cinnamon doughnut and then they oven bake it off to off the buying it and just brings it back to life. But it’s a lot of effort. I would agree.


Georgie  2:34  

Why would you? Why can’t you just get them...? I don’t understand.


Geoff  2:37  

Why can’t you you get them good?


Georgie  2:39  

Get them good.


Geoff  2:40  

Get good! Is it like? Do you get like—I have friends who buy frozen pizzas and add extra toppings on top of their frozen pizzas whilst they put it into the oven as well.


Georgie  2:54  

Sounds a bit like a travesty. Also the cinnamon doughnuts that I’ve had in Portland are just like, miles above any other supermarket? I don’t know. Look, I’m not crapping on supermarkets because sometimes supermarkets have good options, good affordable options for anything. But just sorry, their, there’s cinnamon doughnuts at most supermarkets are just not that great.


Geoff  3:17  

Yeah, they’re pretty. They’re paltry. Mid, as they say these days. This is my number one doughnut, the strawberry jam Krispy Kreme doughnut. Nobody makes strawberry jam doughnuts like this. It’s pillowy soft. It melts in your mouth that the icing is great. And the jam is just, yeah. I don’t understand why everyone makes this terrible like sugar, like sprinkled based jam doughnuts.


Georgie  3:46  

Yeah, the Krispy Kreme ones are good. But I don’t love the strawberry jam. Because I’m just not really into it. I really like the OG though. There’s—


Geoff  3:55  

Oh really, the glazed one.


Georgie  3:56  

The OG is, just it’s good. I feel like I can’t really complain about it.


Geoff  4:01  

It’s true. They have the same pastry like melt in your mouth type pastry, so they’re all pretty good. I mean, they go over the top, which I don’t particularly enjoy, but yeah, the glazed one. Solid. So what’s your top doughnut at the moment then?


Georgie  4:21  

Man, this is so hard to choose.


Geoff  4:22  

Like having XL dicknuts in your mouth.


Georgie  4:22  

I’ve never actually, so even though Donut Papi has the XL dicknuts, I’ve never actually bought it. Because I sort of wonder like, are people gonna judge me for buying a doughnut shaped like a penis?


Geoff  4:40  

And then what are they gonna do? They’re gonna go home and then go, “Oh my god, that girl we see walking around our building all the time. She bought an XL dicknut the other day”, and then they’ll wave at you from their window.


Georgie  4:55  

I’ll just be fame, I’ll just be that girl, that girl who bought then, who talked about the XL dicknuts on the podcast and then bought it.


Geoff  5:03  



Georgie  5:04  

Don’t take that out of context.


Geoff  5:07  

I mean, I wonder how many this they sell. It must be one of those things that you buy really only just for, like a joke to somebody—which is an expensive joke by the way, $45.


Georgie  5:17  

Yeah, $45.


Geoff  5:19  

Or a bachelorette party, American style bachelorette party?


Georgie  5:24  

Yeah. They seem to be... I don’t want to say fixated on, but I guess there’s a big emphasis on slight I guess more sexual content.


Geoff  5:36  



Georgie  5:36  

At bachelorette parties in the US. It seems.


Geoff  5:40  

The one thing that I’m seeing it’s missing from here is a vagina nut.


Georgie  5:45  

Oh yeah.


Geoff  5:46  

Like a vulva nut.


Georgie  5:48  

Wait, why would it be a nut?


Geoff  5:50  

Well, vulv...? I guess you just call it well, a Dolva? Dolva? Yeah.


Georgie  5:56  

Wait, isn’t that what the other doughnuts are? Every doughnut with a hole is basically a vulva?


Geoff  6:01  

That’s one thing, it lends itself to being shaped into more of a vulva you know?


Georgie  6:06  



Geoff  6:07  

But you’re right. Maybe it’s just the opposite of a hole. Right? They’re like, alright, a dick. The dick goes in the hole.


Georgie  6:12  

You know, you know the how they sell those little doughnuts that?


Geoff  6:15  

Doughnut holes?


Georgie  6:16  

Holes. Yeah, yes. I’ve always found that quite funny. Because are they? Are they? Are they literally the holes of the doughnuts?


Geoff  6:26  

Ooh. Or are they rolling up dough into a ball? No, it’s definitely—oh, you’re right. Hey, I didn’t really think about that. But it must be, they roll the dough, because the doughnut is actually made in a circle.


Georgie  6:38  

It’s made in a—


Geoff  6:38  

And they don’t punch a hole.


Georgie  6:40  

Yeah. (laughs)


Geoff  6:47  

But yeah, you get the classic Simpsons doughnut, you know, around in Australia.


Georgie  6:51  

You know what, I don’t even care about that one. You know, you know why? I feel like I, the only doughnuts I kind of really want to eat are like less fun. And more.


Geoff  7:01  

More artisanal.


Georgie  7:03  

Yeah, so like you mentioned Shortstop, and it’s not technically a doughnut, but I love that honey sea salt cruller. And then I love the—


Geoff  7:14  

Not even the doughnut.


Georgie  7:15  

But I do love the earl grey one. And in Portland, and I think in LA as well. There’s a chain called Blue Star Donuts. Which gave off a Shortstop vibe, I think. Because they also have a another tea flavored doughnut.


Geoff  7:33  

My my partner I think she talks about Dough... Doughnut? I think it’s in New York maybe? Dough Doughnuts. They’re called dough, not Dr Dough doughnuts. Dough... Doughnuts America. But yeah, there’s a really good yeah, here we go. Dough Doughnuts, doughnut shop New York. And this is apparently—holy crap. That layering shit inside your doughnut now.


Georgie  8:04  

Oh yeah that’s fancy.


Geoff  8:04  

Vegan. Oh, that’s fun, said the vegan.


Georgie  8:07  

We love vegan doughnuts. I love vegan doughnuts.


Geoff  8:10  

It’s like, err, one, two, three, four, five.


Georgie  8:16  

It’s like a pentagon?


Geoff  8:16  

Pentagon. That’s the one. Pentagon.


Georgie  8:19  

Yeah, and then they got this one with the poppy seed, right. Orange and poppy seed I would assume. Oh, wow. Yeah, this is, see, this is my kind of shit. This blueberry lemon.


Geoff  8:30  

Oh, look, Nutella.


Georgie  8:31  

Dulce de leche.


Geoff  8:32  

Oh, my God. Cafe au lait.


Georgie  8:35  

Yeah. Hibiscus. Very nice.


Geoff  8:38  

Crunchy pecan topping. Yeah. This is it right?


Georgie  8:42  

Then there’s the other ones like Voodoo Doughnuts in Portland. So if you if you look for Voodoo Doughnuts, this is like if you like the Homer Simpson doughnut, the pink one. It’s, this is Voodoo Doughnuts have these rather extravagant, I guess, more fun?


Geoff  9:00  

Oh, wow.


Georgie  9:01  



Geoff  9:02  

They’re not doughnuts anymore. Look at that. It’s a rectangle.


Georgie  9:06  

But they have some.


Geoff  9:08  

It’s a bacon maple bar. Wow.


Georgie  9:12  

But yeah, they have—


Geoff  9:13  

Portland cream. Oh—


Georgie  9:14  

...interesting. Um, cartoony sort of doughnuts. I guess I would say.


Geoff  9:18  

What’s that? What’s that doughnut? I think Krispy Kreme. Is it like the, the, oh, no, no, it’s at Shortstop. It’s at Shortstop. There is the Boston Cream doughnut.


Georgie  9:30  

Yeah, that’s a kind of classic, right? Like a lot of places would do that.


Geoff  9:35  

Yeah, I got it... Members of Portland cream... “A Bavarian cream topped with chocolate, two eyeballs representing the vision of the great city of Portland”. I don’t know if that’s a clear vision.


Georgie  9:49  

I don’t know if I agree with that. But that’s funny.


Geoff  9:54  

What is the vision of Portland? Vision of Portland... because I’ve never heard a city have a vision. “Portland is a prosperous, healthy, equitable and resilient city where everyone has access to opportunity and is engaged in shaping decisions that affect their lives”. (gasp) Okay.


Georgie  10:18  

Wow, that’s good. I didn’t even know they had a vision.


Geoff  10:23  

Yeah, every state has a, do they have like a tagline or—


Georgie  10:28  

Portland’s not a state, it’s a city.


Geoff  10:30  

Statement or something? Portland city... Oh, what’s it called? It’s like a, it’s a saying, it’s a—


Georgie  10:43  



Geoff  10:43  

Motto. Yeah, that’s what it is a motto. “Keep Portland Weird” is a popular slogan that appears on bumper sticker signs and public buildings throughout Portland, Oregon. Oh, slogan that’s the word.


Georgie  10:56  

Oh. Yeah, yeah.


Geoff  10:57  

Wow. The city that works.


Georgie  11:03  

I like Portland.


Geoff  11:05  

Yeah. There’s no denying the bias of Poland.


Georgie  11:09  

Yes. Did you know there’s another Portland? In Maine?


Geoff  11:16  

Yes. You know why? We were playing GeoGuessr. And I recognised—


Georgie  11:24  

The game I hate!


Geoff  11:24  

Yeah. Playing GeoGuessr, saw a sign, it said “Portland”. And I was like, sweet. I know where that is. Went to Oregon. Nope. It was like Portland, Massachusetts or whatever.


Georgie  11:37  

Yeah. Maine is the other big one.


Geoff  11:39  

Wait, Maine. Yeah. Maine. Portland, Maine.


Georgie  11:41  

Yeah. Which is on the east coast.


Geoff  11:44  

Exactly. I was on the opposite side of the, like, who would have thought there was like a Portland on either side? I trolled. I was like, did they just not communicate that they named something Portland already?


Georgie  11:58  

No, like, isn’t there a Boulder in Colorado and a Boulder in California.


Geoff  12:03  

God. What I’ve also noticed is that a lot of America, their roads out like a little bit further away have zero signage. Like we’re going along roads, there’s no sign whatsoever until you start getting to the bigger roads. And then they’ll give you some signs because you’re just screwed out in the middle of nowhere.


Georgie  12:25  

No, I didn’t even know that.


Geoff  12:25  

Yeah, playing GeoGuessr a lot. Well, not a lot, a lot. But like every week, every couple of weeks at work, we have like a, like a tribe get together. Yeah, I mean, not even going into the thing about calling things tribes.


Georgie  12:46  

Basically don’t call things tribes. If you’re not from a background that traditionally uses the word?


Geoff  12:54  

It’s a bit of a strange... It’s the whole... isn’t it Spotify that came up with this whole tribe thing?


Georgie  13:00  

Really, I didn’t know that?


Geoff  13:02  

It’s further cementing your idea that—you, Spotify.


Georgie  13:07  

Okay, so you’re talking about Spotify as in the, as from from the view of a tech company? I thought you meant just to the general public. So I was like, they’re calling stuff tribes in their, in the app?


Geoff  13:18  

(laughs) Yeah. You put together as a number of albums into a collection, which is part of multiple collections, which you call tribes.


Georgie  13:28  



Geoff  13:28  

No, yeah. Spotify is company made the tribe model, the Agile tribe model.


Georgie  13:33  

Oh, I think we copied them briefly, but now we just call them crews, I think.


Geoff  13:38  

Oh crews.


Georgie  13:39  

Yeah, there’s a crew. And then there’s a captain. Yeah.


Geoff  13:43  

Oh, you have captains? Oh, that’s really cute. It’s really nautical.


Georgie  13:48  

It kind of is, but it’s also not, I don’t know. We don’t put a great deal of weight on the captains I think. Because it’s, it’s generally just to encourage a collaborative thing, right?


Geoff  14:00  

Yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s like, why do we got to come up with all these cute names for them? Just call them, I don’t know, collectives.


Georgie  14:12  

That’s a cute name, too.


Geoff  14:14  

Yeah, yeah. We’re gonna call ourselves The Platform Collective.


Georgie  14:19  

You know, a collective reminds me of, is back when I used to make websites—haha.


Geoff  14:26  

Back when we were were juniors and just making simple websites.


Georgie  14:30  

Yeah. When we weren’t working in tech. And we made websites, I joined this community called The Fanlistings. And and then people used to collect domains for different projects, right? You know about that, they would collect different domain names. And then they would create yet another website called a collective like for like to display all of their different domains and the projects and what it was for, and then they make a fanlisting collective and I was just like, it’s such a cute word. It’s very, I don’t know.


Geoff  15:02  

Very art.


Georgie  15:02  

Yeah, hashtag art.


Geoff  15:04  

Yeah. Because like, I guess actually in the web, we have the WCC, WC3, right? Is that a collective?


Georgie  15:14  

Is it?


Geoff  15:15  

No, it’s a consortium. Sorry.


Georgie  15:18  

Excuse us.


Geoff  15:18  

Excuse us.


Georgie  15:19  

Yeah. Oh, another thing that collective reminds me of is some fashion labels that are independent. And I guess I don’t want to, I just don’t want to assume that they’re hip, but a lot of independent clothing brands will call themselves like, Geoff collective, or something.


Geoff  15:38  

The, The Collective Store, as you can see, a straight up store called The Collective.


Georgie  15:44  

Is a cute word. I will give it that. I like it.


Geoff  15:47  

Yeah. So we have, we have tribe, we a tribe meeting. And this is just sort of like for us to get together have some fun, just talking stuff, nothing like super work related. And I introduced you know, the group GeoGuessr game. Played that for a bit, but it can be pretty exclusionary, I found.


Georgie  16:12  

Yeah, you know, we talked about this in the episode that we lost, the episode 10.


Geoff  16:18  

Oh did we?


Georgie  16:18  

Yeah, this is what we talked about.


Geoff  16:19  

No way. I remember we talked about dying and...


Georgie  16:22  

Dying. And Geoguessr.


Geoff  16:26  

(laughs) Where would you like to die, Georgie?


Georgie  16:28  

(laughs) No.


Geoff  16:33  

So, so yeah. So we played the group GeoGuessr. And for anyone who hasn’t actually played GeoGuessr before. It’s basically you get put on Google Streetview. The camera essentially is on the street. And you are to navigate yourself around and figure out where you are in the world. And then have a Google map, you know, satellite view as everyone sees it, and put a pin on where you, or street, yeah, satellite view, and put a pin where you think you are. And it’s a good game, I think, it’s really challenging, it challenges your knowledge of, of the world. And if you play it for fun, it can be fun. But when you watch professionals, yes, there are professionals because there are championships, there are leaderboards, there’s cash prizes involved. You get, you get like those tricks, but they’re like, “oh, so the sun is in the northern hemisphere. So that means I must be around this area. It’s too dry to be this area. These are types of trees that are only available in Portland, Oregon. So I’m in Portland, Oregon”, you know, that kind of stuff. So yeah, played that with the team. But I think it’s kind of exclusionary for people who don’t really like—


Georgie  17:51  



Geoff  17:52  

Travel, or they’re not as, I mean, you hate it. So, like, why would I make you play a game you hate.


Georgie  17:59  

But I have travelled but I guess I don’t, the game just doesn’t appeal to me.


Geoff  18:05  



Georgie  18:06  

I don’t understand the obsession.


Geoff  18:09  

Yeah, I yeah, I get that. That’s why I didn’t want to play it anymore. So I switched to Wikipedia races.


Georgie  18:16  

What is that?


Geoff  18:17  

So you start basically you start on a Wikipedia page. Let’s go with um, Wikipedia, right, you start on a Wikipedia page like doughnuts. Do you spell doughnuts with the G H right? Who spells doughnut with O N U T?


Georgie  18:35  

You know what I actually don’t know what is? None of them are wrong, but I don’t know what is more accepted in Australia.


Geoff  18:43  

Good question. alternative names.


Georgie  18:46  

I think most of the time I spell it like when I’m talking to someone about them. I think I use G H but there are some places where they’re named, like Donut Papi is d-o-n-u-t and so I would obviously spell it the way that the business decides to.


Geoff  19:05  

One of the earliest known literal literary usages of the term dates and 1808 for fire cakes and dough nuts, Washington Irving and then first printed the use of d-o-n-u-t was in Pecks Bad Boy published in 1900 characters quote saying “Pa, said he guess he hadn’t got much appetite and he would just drink a cup of coffee and eat a donut”. Now, oh wow, it can be found in a series of National Donut week which is d-o-n-u-t in New York Times. And then Dunkin Donuts, oh, that’s why. Dunkin Donuts came out with the d-o-n-u-t and I guess that’s why it’s more—


Georgie  19:49  



Geoff  19:49  

Prominent. But, doughnut, d-o-u-g-h is used internationally, and donut, d-o-n-u-t, is American. Of course.


Georgie  20:00  

Alright Americans.


Geoff  20:01  

So anyways, so the game is you start a doughnut, and you think of and then you think of a completely different Wikipedia page. Let’s go with, recent one, Nikola Tesla.


Georgie  20:20  

Wait, wait before you go there.


Geoff  20:22  



Georgie  20:23  

Can I ask how, are you, what’s the, what’s the aim of this game? You try and go to that? You got to try and go to that.


Geoff  20:31  

Exactly. You’re trying to navigate from the doughnut Wikipedia page to Nikola Tesla using the links provided on the page.


Georgie  20:39  

Okay, because I know an interesting thing about Wikipedia that might, that you could probably exploit to help you in this game.


Geoff  20:50  

Yeah, yeah?


Georgie  20:52  

If you click on the first word, if you start on any Wikipedia article, and you click on the first link in it, that is not like the pronunciation or whatever. So in the actual article—


Geoff  21:03  

Okay, like fried dough.


Georgie  21:04  

“A doughnut is a type of food made from leavened fried dough”. And so in so if you click on “fried dough”, and you keep continuing, you will eventually, there are I think one of three different things will happen, one, you’ll end up in an infinite loop of different things. And two, you end up on I think, psychology, everything always like land on psychology. And then there’s another another thing that can happen. I can’t remember what it is. So now Geoff is clicking through everything. And he’s already gone to “science”.


Geoff  21:36  

Propositions. Sentence.


Georgie  21:40  

No logic!


Geoff  21:40  

Philosophy. Oops.


Georgie  21:42  

It’s logic.


Geoff  21:42  

Oh, logic. Yeah. logic, reasoning. No way, consciously. And now, now we’re in sentience and feelings, and emotion and mental states. And psychology. And mind. Oh, my God. That’s crazy. That’s pretty good. Psychological, philosophical.


Georgie  22:06  

I think it was philosophy. Yeah. Sorry. It was philosophy. Not psychology.


Geoff  22:10  

Not psychology. Philosophy. Yeah, that’s good.


Georgie  22:13  

So now Geoff is in a loop between philosophy and existence. Which then goes back to—


Geoff  22:18  

Then reality, and then imaginary, and then we probably get back to... Oh, object, oooh. And then philosophy, philosophy. And then philosophical. Wow, this is great. Existence. Reality. Imaginary. Object. Philosophy, philosophical. That’s pretty good. I like that. Fun fact.


Georgie  22:44  

Yeah. So we were trying to do this at work and try and actually find how far, like if you could think of anything like, what’s the longest trail we can make before we get to philosophy? But even most things end up relating to science or something in that vein, and then you ended up at philosophy quicker. But anyway, go on with your doughnuts to Tesla.


Geoff  23:02  

Yeah, yeah. So doughnuts, and you’re supposed to just go through the page and look for the links and you try get to, to the other page in the least amount of clicks. And in a specific timeframe. Right.


Georgie  23:16  

All right.


Geoff  23:16  

So, let’s, in this case, I’d probably go try go to “molecular composition”.


Georgie  23:21  



Geoff  23:23  

Or physical structure, something like close to... actually people had lots of success by just going to the machinery. Right?


Georgie  23:33  

History? If you—


Geoff  23:33  

How do you make doughnuts? So you just go to fryer, of the doughnut and then you just get somehow get to Nikola Tesla. My pattern my my thread or whatever, my links, I think I went from, what was it, something really irrelevant, like, shit forgot what it was. But essentially, I went to New York first. Like I managed to find a link in lawn bowls. Oh, lawn bowls. To get me to New York. And then from there, I was like, okay, I made my way to Nikola Tesla from New York. Just get to America first. So like Tim Hortons or something like that.


Georgie  24:11  

Wow. Okay. Yeah.


Geoff  24:12  

It’s a fun game. And I did it collectively first, like everybody was trying to, like navigate, or help me navigate it. And then we started racing against each other.


Georgie  24:25  

Interesting game.


Geoff  24:27  

Yeah. And then you have to come up with a fun fact at the end. Otherwise you don’t really win. Like as in something you learned. Yeah. Something you learned on the page that you finally left on. So yeah. Streamers. I got this from streamers. They’ve been playing—


Georgie  24:46  



Geoff  24:47  

Yeah, on Twitch. Streamers on Twitch.


Georgie  24:49  

Oh, okay. Yeah.


Geoff  24:51  

They find all these like games like GeoGuessr, I completely forgot about it until I watched this guy on stream. They challenged one of the best year GeoGuessrs out there. And basically, like these top tier GeogGessrs, man, they can look at, like just the ones, they are not allowed to move, not allowed to, like zoom or actually like panning around and they get like they get it nine times out of 10 they know where they are, it’s pretty crazy.


Georgie  25:27  

This is a game you can just practice and get good at like, what are your thoughts on it?


Geoff  25:31  

Yeah, yeah. Even the top player, he’s just like, I’ve never travelled the world. But like, all I did was study all of the maps, studied GeoGuessr maps and everything. So he got really good at just recognising these trees are from this region. This kind of mountainous region is, you know, he just recognised where all the mountainous regions are and, you know, sun position. They even recognise, like poles, because different countries paint their signage poles differently. Some have stripes, some don’t.


Georgie  26:11  

Yeah. But then I wonder, for people who are very good at this, if you just put them somewhere in the world, like you think they would be less likely to get lost? Probably doesn’t translate, right?


Geoff  26:25  

They’d probably better tell you where they are, but they can’t really get out. “I am in the middle of Argentina. Now. How do I actually exit Argentina?” Nah, it’s pretty funny. What was it? Um, yeah, there’s a guy on YouTube who travels Japan. He’s been to every prefecture in Japan. I think there’s 42 of them. And he was being challenged by some other guy who hadn’t ever been to Japan. And they just went on Japan maps. And, and...


Georgie  26:58  



Geoff  26:59  

Yeah. And they started with around the world. And the Japan guy actually failed on the Japan on the Japan guess. But But yeah, they started doing Japan maps only. And that’s where he kind of like yeah, he’s like, I’ve actually walked down the street. “It should be around here”. on Japan. It gets gets pretty easy. But why would you play if it’s so easy? Nah, jokes. Good to be good at a game I guess.


Georgie  27:27  

Yeah, people want to show off right?


Geoff  27:31  

There’s things like, they recognise the design of number plates. Yeah, even if it’s blurred, it’s blurred out there’s like a blue bar on the left and right side for Australian number plates. Some of them so you can just go yep, right. That’s Australia. Or, or like America or Europe. Yeah, anyways. So yeah, introduce these kinds of games to the teams they seem to have fun. I’m out of games though. It’s I’ve no idea what to do.


Georgie  28:02  

Have you played, ah man, what’s it called? There was one that’s called, Listorama?


Geoff  28:08  

Ooh, thank you. Listorama.


Georgie  28:11  



Geoff  28:14  



Georgie  28:15  

I think it works better with four or more people. So...


Geoff  28:19  

Yeah, we have like eight.


Georgie  28:21  

Okay, good. Because like in my team, there’s usually only like three or four of us. And so when we play it’s, it’s never enough. So we always have to. I always play this when there’s more people, or in a bigger group. But this is, this is fun. I like this one. Codenames is a big classic. I love that one.


Geoff  28:41  

I feel like that’s also kind of exclusionary to people who are ESL or English second language.


Georgie  28:47  

Yeah, I mean, the most interesting thing I’ve—yeah, most interesting thing I find about the game though, is that it helps you understand how other people think. And if they think similarly to you, or if they think of really differently to you. And so you can like change your tactic to give it—by the way, the way this works is that there’s a spymaster or a clue giver who has to give a clue. It’s basically word association. They have to give a clue to their team so they pick a certain number of words that are associated with that clue. So yeah, I find it quite interesting to take a strategy depending on who is in my team and how well I know them and how I think they might, how I think they might think.


Geoff  29:35  

We, we banned the use of like, second like different languages other than English as clues.


Georgie  29:43  

Like Katana or something.


Geoff  29:46  



Georgie  29:47  

Like Katana or something.


Geoff  29:49  

Yeah, yeah. Latana’s okay, cos it’s like still, it’s like, within English langauge.


Georgie  29:56  

What about, what about, lingerie.


Geoff  29:58  

What about a baguette?


Georgie  30:00  



Geoff  30:02  

They, things like, I don’t know if I said, I know, “kuro”, which means black in Japanese.


Georgie  30:09  



Geoff  30:09  

Obviously that kind of, I don’t know. becomes a bit too good, you know when you use other language.


Georgie  30:20  

Seems unfair.


Geoff  30:21  

It is. Yeah, it’s definitely kind of unfair. So we because we’re such a multilingual group of people, I, I play with. Try keep it in English. But yeah, I think I agree. It’s, it’s interesting what people tie to different things. Also, like you’re taking a stab, sometimes if you don’t know them very well as to, like, if you said something that’s very American. I say there’s like, I don’t know. Yeah, if there was “hot dog” on the, on there and a like a, like a “pizza” or just a “hot dog” and “pie”. You’d go maybe “New York”. Like, and then they’d be like, oh, New York—they wouldn’t associate pie with pizza pie. Because then they don’t.


Georgie  31:11  

Yeah, like, I think of, I think of meat pie. Exactly. But that’s because I’m Australia. Yeah.


Geoff  31:17  

Yeah. So I find that really interesting, like how it was like a hunger, maybe I’ll take a stab at an American reference, hoping that they would get it because that kind of can get you more points, you can definitely fail.


Georgie  31:34  

So it’s always funny during the post mortem afterwrads.


Geoff  31:38  

What you do post mortems on—


Georgie  31:40  

Yeah because it gets really, it gets really intense sometimes. It’s like, why did you give that clue? And there’s sometimes, there’s clue shaming, and I’m like, hey, you need to calm down. Like, it made sense. Like, I always trust that the code giver gave—clue giver gave the right clue that they, that they thought was good in that scenario, like they would have no idea. Like they can see the words, they can see the answers. So of course, it looks, you know, it’s easier for them. It’s harder for you as the people guessing.


Geoff  32:13  

Yeah. Oh, by the way, for anyone who, I don’t know if you can hear it in the podcast, but there’s like a low humming noise that’s just the dryer running. So apologies for that as we require the dryer, because geez, weather is just so, yeah, I don’t think—I think maybe the recording might have a bit more sensitivity than Discord or something like that.


Georgie  32:36  

Do you have birds though? I can hear birds.


Geoff  32:39  

Oh, yeah. Oops.


Georgie  32:43  

You know, I feel like I feel like I’ve given up like, occasionally I listen back when I’m doing the transcripts and I’m like, there’s a siren in the background. It’s probably mine. Like, like a, like an ambulance in the background or something.


Geoff  32:59  

Speaking of sirens, I don’t know if it’s the building across from us, that’s the new building or one of the other two buildings in my three building cluster. But someone has, one building has fire alarm, every—someone just honked a horn. But someone has a fire alarm go off everybody week. I can’t I don’t even know why, it just goes signs off, sirens off. But it doesn’t siren in our building. And I’m like—but after the siren finishes sometimes there’s a record of the man right it’s a recording in the voice that comes out the speaker says—


Georgie  33:39  



Geoff  33:40  

“Sorry about that. We’re investigate... this the fire brigade here, we are investigating the alarm. It’s safe to return to your apartment if you had evacuated”. And I’m like, oops, did not even hear the first alarm so.


Georgie  33:57  

Fuck, fire alarms in my area. They notoriously go off when the actual danger. Yeah, it’s been happening... It happened in the place I used to live, which was like down the road. And it happens here as well. Although, because I used to live above a shopping centre. It was more annoying there because when it went off in the shopping centre, it went off in all the apartments above but now it’s kind of like yours, where it’s the different blocks. So it’ll only go off in all of the other buildings in the block, sorry. It will only go off everywhere if it’s like, everyone needs to evacuate. If it’s just like standby—do you have that guy, that man, the man’s voice saying “standby for further instructions”?


Geoff  34:44  

No, we don’t get that very often.


Georgie  34:46  

Oh okay, but yeah, we have a standby one, and there’s some that just go “Evacuate now. Evacuate immediately. Evacuate”.


Geoff  34:54  

Evacuate, evacuate.


Georgie  34:57  

And it’s been a problem here and, and no one, I think for a while knew what was happening. And then we got some information from the building manager who said that they’re actually trying to replace all of the smoke alarms in, in the in the block because I think there was some chemical that was causing the alarms go off like a false alarm. So that’s why they were saying when there’s an upcoming inspection, like a fire inspection, or they’re replacing smoke alarms, please try and be present. Although recently, there was an actual reason why it went off and someone had been using the spa or the sauna downstairs in the gym, at like, I think it was very close to 10 o’clock. And 10 o’clock is like the closing time for the gym and the sauna and stuff. And apparently, though, this person had admitted to them doing it, leaving the door open and letting the steam go everywhere, which of course the alarm—


Geoff  35:57  

Yeah the alarm doesn’t really go off for that, those reasons, like we’ll have, we’ll be cooking and unless something’s actually burning, then even though the whole place is likes, like a bit smoky, the smoke alarm doesn’t like go off off. We had a fire guy come in and inspect it. So I’m assuming that it’s perfectly working fine. But yeah, haven’t had it accidentally go off. Very, at all recently.


Georgie  36:27  

Oh, did I tell you about how when we moved in, it was going off constantly, our smoke alarm?


Geoff  36:34  

Oh, you guys should really lay off the smokes. You should really quit.


Georgie  36:38  

They fixed it. They replaced it.


Geoff  36:41  

They replaced your smoking...


Georgie  36:43  

Bro I’ve never smoked in my life. I felt so bad. Because, you know, before we moved in, I think the place was vacant for a couple of weeks. And I felt bad for the neighbours possibly here in the extremely high pitched beeping constantly. So like when we started moving in, we just took it off. Because every time we closed the smoke alarm. It just kept beeping and it was actually really excruciating.


Geoff  37:08  

Yeah. Did... I sometimes feel like doing that? Have you watched Friends?


Georgie  37:14  



Geoff  37:15  

You’re not a Friends person?


Georgie  37:18  



Geoff  37:18  

Okay, that’s fair enough.


Georgie  37:21  

I’m not gonna get any reference you say.


Geoff  37:23  

Yeah. There’s just an episode where there’s a fire alarm and she takes the fire alarm down, hits it with a baseball bat, like crushes it no hell, and it’s still beeps. And then the fire guy comes in. Yeah, I think one of her friends or the fire guy comes in and just literally like detaches the battery from, from the speaker. And then she’s, she’s just like yelling at it. “What do you want from me?” And, like trying to debate and like, barter with the fire alarm?


Georgie  37:58  

But that’s what you do. You just take the battery out, and then it’ll stop beeping.


Geoff  38:01  



Georgie  38:02  

Yeah, because it’s probably it’s faulty unit. I think ours was faulty or whatever. So they, they did end up replacing it.


Geoff  38:09  

I think it was pretty funny because the fire guy who came in to do an inspect, inspection on the alarm says, “Oh. I think you’re good. This one looks like it’s been replaced in 2019” or something like that. And I do not remember getting that replacement in 2019. And they’re like, “guess someone broke in and replaced it for you”. But yeah, it may have been replaced just before I moved in, or—


Georgie  38:40  

That would have been a nice thing for the person to do.


Geoff  38:43  



Georgie  38:43  

Yeah. Yeah.


Geoff  38:45  

That would be nice. That’d be nice. Are you are you still thinking of buying? Or not even?


Georgie  38:52  

Nah, not it’s not really, like I said I was open to the possibility but I’m not like, actively looking.


Geoff  39:00  

Yeah. Yeah, that’s fair. That’s fair. So you know what else is... what else you shouldn’t be actively looking for?


Georgie  39:13  

But it’s right here! (laughs)


Geoff  39:16  

Ignore it. It’ll go away. So thanks for joining us for another episode. You can follow us on @toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter. Mostly Twitter. We’re catching up.


Georgie  39:35  

You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts, and the big fire alarm.


Geoff  39:43  

In the sky.


Georgie  39:45  

Why is everything in the sky?


Geoff  39:47  

I don’t know. Doughnuts in the sky.


Georgie  39:52  

Actually you know what I should have said, the extra large...


Geoff  39:54  

Extra large dicknuts. And new episodes every Monday. So—


Georgie  40:00  

See you next week!


Geoff  40:02