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Tanning by the fireworks

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We talk about strange tan lines and overrated fireworks experiences, decide to never be stuck on a boat even with people we know, before cringing at moments of forced socialising and bad marriage proposals.

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We talk about strange tan lines and overrated fireworks experiences, decide to never be stuck on a boat even with people we know, before cringing at moments of forced socialising and bad marriage proposals.

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Georgie  0:09  

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast & Toast. I am your co host, Georgie. And as usual, I’m here with Geoff.


Geoff  0:19  

Hello. I’m toasting and roasting.


Georgie  0:22  

It’s the weather right?


Geoff  0:24  

30 degrees.


Georgie  0:25  

You know, it’s funny about the weather. Well, not about the weather, but when it’s really hot. So I don’t know about you, but I tend to tan more easily than I burn.


Geoff  0:36  

Yeah, yeah.


Georgie  0:36  

Okay. So I think when I was younger and nutrient deficient, I think I burned more easily or I burned and tanned. Maybe that’s just because I wasn’t wearing sunscreen. So I’m trying to, I’m trying to be better at wearing sunscreen. Also, we can talk about like beauty standards and tanning another time. But as you know, I like to wear crop tops sometimes. And sometimes they show my midriff if I’m wearing like, I don’t know, well, sometimes part of my midriff is exposed to the sun. Other times it’s not, not so much but anyway, point is I like wearing crop tops and when I’m outside, like, you can see my midriff and I started to kind of get a tan in my midsection. And I’m like, dude, I don’t, I don’t want to be like a stripe—stripy tan. I just thought that was somewhat amusing.


Geoff  1:37  

People solve that by by going suntanning right specifically?


Georgie  1:42  

But does it solve it?


Geoff  1:44  

I guess not just now your midriff is darker than before. Oh no, you get a band and you cover your midriff and then you tan the rest of it right?


Georgie  1:56  

But you think I want to tan my upper chest? I’m not really into it though. It’s just I didn’t deliberately tan my midsection it’s more that I go outside and walk a lot, just generally, but in the summer obviously I’m out in the sun because of that, like the more summery sun. So more likely to get tanned and I think last summer I got like a sandal tan because I wore sandals a lot, and you could kind of faint, see faint like lines on my on my foot. And I think some people get the sock tan as well when they don’t when they wear closed shoes.


Geoff  2:34  

I used to wear sandals a lot. It used to be my choice of shoes for god knows what reason. And I just lived with this tan or am I talking about my brother? I can’t remember now. Was it my sandals or my brother’s sandals? Anyways funny like oval shaped tan tan from sandals in the middle of the foot. But actually recently Dorinda and I went hiking in the Blue Mountains I completely forgot about your mermaid waterfall thing.


Georgie  3:10  

Oh no, would have been cool.


Geoff  3:13  

But we went to the canyon walk which is which was also pretty cool. But the the thing is I don’t wear sunscreen. Um I have a wholehearted belief that I have one hour of sun protection, natural sun protection. Any more than an hour and I will start to burn. So, so I went out there and the hour ticked over and I was like oh shit.


Georgie  3:42  



Geoff  3:43  

I felt fine until later when like, it’s like oh yeah, a little bit tender but I didn’t peel or anything so I but it definitely looked a bit like angry.


Georgie  3:53  



Geoff  3:53  

On the back of my neck. So I guess I could start wearing more sunscreen when going on the sun, so I had to look up all the rules again. You know, sunscreen 20 minutes before you leave.


Georgie  4:10  

Oh my god.


Geoff  4:11  

Reapplication every hour.


Georgie  4:14  

I think it’s two hours.


Geoff  4:15  

Two hours. But we went for another short walk to Balmoral, was it Balmoral beach?


Georgie  4:25  

Oh yes. Yeah, I think that’s the one up north right?


Geoff  4:30  

Yeah, yeah.


Georgie  4:30  

Like near Mosman?


Geoff  4:33  

Is it Manly? No. Mosman. Yeah, Mosman.


Georgie  4:35  

Yeah, cuz we actually went there like a couple weeks ago as well but it started pelting with rain while we were walking on the on the boardwalk. We—


Geoff  4:46  

On the jetty?


Georgie  4:48  

That wasn’t the jetty but it was like, it was like this trail. I don’t remember what it’s called. But there’s this trail that goes around behind the—


Geoff  4:57  



Georgie  4:57  

And up to up to the what’s it called? The barracks.


Geoff  4:59  

The tracks? The trams? Oh the barracks. Yeah. Oh, you’re going to the barracks we planned to get the barracks as well. We forgot. Um, yeah.


Georgie  5:07  

But it was super hot, and then it pelted down with rain and we got drenched, so drenched.


Geoff  5:15  

So you didn’t need sunscreen after all?


Georgie  5:18  

Yeah, I guess not.


Geoff  5:22  

But we drove out there on a really nice day, which was a mistake. Like, everybody was there.


Georgie  5:27  



Geoff  5:29  

I drove for ages went to the parking, you know, it’s like, like $9 an hour parking. In Balmoral.


Georgie  5:36  

It’s expensive yeah.


Geoff  5:37  

Did you pay that?


Georgie  5:38  

I think we paid like, I think we must have paid like almost $40 for three hours.


Geoff  5:43  

Oh my God.


Georgie  5:45  

It was expensive.


Geoff  5:47  

Holy shit, we refused to pay. So... not that we could find a parking spot. But we oh, I refused to pay that. We didn’t even know actually, we were driving. And I had no idea how much it was. And I was too afraid to find out. We were exiting the car park. I saw the sign. I was like, oh my god. So we drove there. And I just followed the huge line of cars. And I just drove, kept driving and driving, and then around, and never got out of the car. So we did eventually. I parked up the hills where the houses were where it’s free parking.


Georgie  6:26  



Geoff  6:26  

Where like all the fancy houses are. And then we did a small walk of the jetty. And then we went up to the cut off tram up there and completely forgot that we were going to try and go to the barracks as well. But we went on a really nice day and the beach was packed. Like despite the situation.


Georgie  6:51  



Geoff  6:53  

I guess everyone was trying to fulfill the New Year’s resolutions.


Georgie  6:58  

Oh, yeah. Speaking of those, so usually the gym, right? Because I frequent the gym. Around this time of year, there is a lot of people at the gym. Everyone’s on the treadmill. Everyone’s doing the classes, the classes are full. But this year hasn’t been like that. And I just I’m wondering, right? Is everybody sick with the thing? Or? Or are they just scared? You know, because I have actually gotten a few alerts from the gym, just you know, you know, monitor yourself kind of thing. But it’s been so good.


Geoff  7:35  

Especially when you visit, especially when you visit establishments where sweat and bodily fluids is freely distributed.


Georgie  7:45  

Yeah, I mean, just just so everybody just so it’s clear, I don’t—I go to a gym that’s like pretty expensive because they regularly clean everything. The equipment is higher quality. And obviously I’m paying for that premium and it tends to not have those kind of disrespectful, dodgy people attending the gym. So people there are nice, and they’re not, like, rude or anything like that. But yeah, like you’re in an environment where you’re pretty close to people, I can see why some people might not, not might not be up with that, but because I’ve been going there regularly for the past few weeks and noticing how many people there are, it’s kind of surprising that there’s not as many people as there was in like, other New Year’s, like in the past few years. But yeah, no resolutions for me.


Geoff  8:44  

Yeah, if no one’s aware, communitychannel, a very famous YouTube channel back in the day released a video on New Year’s Day called New Me—New Year New Me—


Georgie  9:01  

New you.


Geoff  9:02  

It’s new, new “New Year New You” go watch it, it is absolutely the most hilarious thing. She takes everything so freaking literal. It’s it’s really, it’s really funny. But yeah, I don’t have any new year’s resolutions. But it was the first time I, in a long time, that I had spent New Year’s in Sydney because usually I go back to Perth with the family. And, um, you know, it was kind of okay, but the weather was actually, like you said, a bit strange. We wanted to go do more things. But basically after New Year’s Day, the weather was just all rain and we basically had to ad hoc. If it was sunny, maybe we’ll go do something. But yeah, Sydney Sydney, New Year’s isn’t so bad. During I guess, during Covid times.


Georgie  10:03  

Have you ever seen the fireworks like, live in Sydney?


Geoff  10:08  

Oh, yes. I have seen it once.


Georgie  10:11  

Okay, how recently?


Geoff  10:13  

In Sydney.


Georgie  10:13  

How, how long ago was that?


Geoff  10:18  

I think it must have been five or six years ago.


Georgie  10:23  

I think I saw it maybe seven maybe eight years ago, a while ago, because this is when I was with my ex. It wasn’t good.


Geoff  10:36  

To be honest it’s, it’s it’s the biggest waste of money. I look at it like it’s not even that fantastic. If you want to see some fireworks, look up the—China. Chinese New, like China, when they do fireworks—the Olympics in China fireworks, geez. That was like, five, five level fireworks. But the f—when I actually saw it friends and I went to it was a park somewhere across the harbour.


Georgie  11:09  

Let me guess, you couldn’t see shit and you wished you were watching on the television?


Geoff  11:17  

Yeah, kinda. You could see something, I guess. But you’re right. The television would have been just like much better, less smoke, less people, less sweat. So yeah. But it was actually quite interesting. We managed to find like a spot at a park on this low stone wall. And with four or five of us sat there. Watch the watch the fireworks. But yeah, I’m generally not a fan. It’s a waste of money.


Georgie  11:51  

Yeah. Wait, do you mean like, the whole premise of fireworks themselves? Or you mean like going—


Geoff  11:57  

The whole event.


Georgie  11:58  



Geoff  11:59  

The whole event is a big waste of money.


Georgie  12:01  

My taxpayer money is going to these things in the sky!


Geoff  12:05  

Yeah. I’m sure it has this positive psychological effect and makes everyone happy for some reason. But they’re pretty sure. Should you start ticketing people? Probably not, like, trying to make money off us?


Georgie  12:23  

Especially using, kind of indirectly using the public’s money to fund this.


Geoff  12:31  

So taxpayers’ money to set up these fireworks, and then privatised companies making a buck out of people who want to see them in person


Georgie  12:42  

See them on the boat?


Geoff  12:43  

Or—there’s a boat?


Georgie  12:45  

I don’t know, I think, I think there’s a way you can like, while the fireworks happening in Sydney Harbour, by the way, for anyone who’s not who doesn’t really know what we’re talking about. They do the fireworks on our Sydney Harbour Bridge. And if you’re if you happen to be on a boat, you can get a good vantage point, I guess. But I don’t know how you get one of these boats. Do you own them yourself? I think it’s possible that you can buy a ticket or like, but I think the boats have to follow some rules. Because you obviously can’t get too close or you’ll kill people. But yeah, I find them. I don’t know. underwhelming. A lot of noise.


Geoff  13:29  

A lot of noise, but not a lot of return.


Georgie  13:34  



Geoff  13:35  

Something slightly relevant. Every now and then on my Instagram stories. I see people celebrating on like some kind of—maybe not even celebrating?—hanging out with friends. But they do it on a boat. Or like some kind of yacht. I’m like, Where do people go to rent these yachts? Does all of their friends have like some kind of yacht license? But, well, I don’t, I don’t know why it’s so appealing to take a boat out on the water and like drink some alcohol.


Georgie  14:07  

So the yacht thing is, isn’t it like a really bouje rich lifestyle sort of thing to have and do?


Geoff  14:16  

Yeah, kind of kind of looks like that. Even though you’re you don’t have to be rich. It’s I think you’re right, a reflection of Instagram, like, highlight reel type stuff.


Georgie  14:30  

I think you can book, like, you can rent one. But I’m not sure if that means the person driving the boat is from the company. Or if you need to know someone or something. I’m not sure.


Geoff  14:44  

Yacht rental Sydney find the perfect yacht charter.


Georgie  14:48  

No thanks.


Geoff  14:49  

But like everyone sitting out on some kind of boat deck, to be honest, I’m not a fan of boats in general, you know, corporate parties whenever they’re like, ooh let’s get a boat, have a Christmas party on a boat. I’m like, “uuuh, I can’t leave early”.


Georgie  15:06  

Yes. Yeah.


Geoff  15:08  

Stuck on a fucking boat.


Georgie  15:09  

That is, that is a that’s a vibe, man. Like being stuck on a boat. With potentially some people you don’t like—I don’t want to say don’t like, it’s not just that, but just like this... You’re like my introversion is is slowly is, is struggling to breathe. How can I escape the situation? If our Christmas party is on this boat? In the middle of the harbour? What am I supposed to do?


Geoff  15:41  

I just don’t like my co workers that much. That’s sad. It’s, it’s like, any time I listen to or some manager says that we’re a big family. I’m like, please, no.


Georgie  16:02  

So the problem I have with them outright saying that, is it forces the view onto people. So like, where I work, I would say yeah, we treat each other like, like family. But that is like embedded in the culture without us having like to talk about it. We’re not just like, “oh my god hi, I love you like a bro” or something. Like it’s not this like blatant kind of everyone together, big group hug kind of thing. It’s a very nuanced like, feeling and behaviour from the individuals who are in the company, you know that they care about you and stuff. It’s not this fuckin big show of emotion. And you don’t, you don’t create the vibe like that man. Like.


Geoff  16:56  

I have a similar sentiment with businesses that say, that call themselves the best x of of the in the world or something or in Australia, like best pizza in Australia. And you’re like, I’m the judge of whether or not you’re the best pizza, not you. And then you see the the awards, like voted best wine in in like, 2018. And I’m like, that’s like three years ago. You‘re still gonna brag about it?


Georgie  17:29  



Geoff  17:31  

But yeah, I think I think it only really gets a bit awkward with smaller companies, like agencies and stuff like that when they may take it personally when you quit. Because we’re a family, and then you don’t leave family. And I think that’s when it gets kind of toxic.


Georgie  17:55  



Geoff  17:58  

So I have—yeah, like you said, I have no problem liking my co-workers to, and becoming friends. Actually, you know what? I literally have groups of friends from each workplace that I’ve been to. Yeah, that I still hang out with. You’re like an exception.


Georgie  18:18  

Yeah, we’ve never worked together.


Geoff  18:22  

We awkwardly met at Din Tai Fung one day after a meet up.


Georgie  18:25  

It wasn’t, it wasn’t even a real Din Tai Fung. It was one in a food court.


Geoff  18:29  

Yeah. We just had some mutuals that wanted to get together from Perth. Yeah. And, and yeah, I don’t mind like, have, like, making good friendships. And but yeah, the company culture has to be kind of open. And like, have the culture for us to create that friendship.


Georgie  18:58  



Geoff  19:00  

Organically. It’s kind of like if your company maybe never like throws like a party or funds team activities slash lunches, then you’re never going to get to know your your teammates or your workmates outside of the outside of the work environment. So it gets a bit awkward when the company puts it in their culture and saying we are all family when you can literally never get to know your co-workers outside of work. So yeah, I think I’ve had a good opportunities and most of the businesses to do that. But yeah. So, yacht, or boat rental. 795. You know, I almost—


Georgie  19:58  

Seven... $795? Like, each?


Geoff  20:02  



Georgie  20:03  

Oh, okay, that makes sense.


Geoff  20:04  

To do the boat.


Georgie  20:05  

With 30 people?


Geoff  20:07  

With a maximum of 30 people.


Georgie  20:08  

Oh, yeah. Wait, who wants 30 people on a boat these days? That’s just like.


Geoff  20:13  

Sixteen people. $350.


Georgie  20:16  

But I’m like, do I even know 30 people, Geoff?


Geoff  20:22  

That’s actually great question. So I know.


Georgie  20:25  



Geoff  20:26  

A few... I have a few friends.


Georgie  20:28  

So, if you had this 30—someone just gave you $795. And said Geoff, you can invite, like, 29 people on this boat. Tell me what, what would you do? What would you do though?


Geoff  20:42  

I’d say you have no clue who I am and what I value? And that I don’t have 29 friends.


Georgie  20:52  



Geoff  20:55  

And I do have a few friends. But I don’t mix my friends.


Georgie  21:01  



Geoff  21:02  

In one event?


Georgie  21:02  



Geoff  21:03  

I keep them strictly separate, right?


Georgie  21:05  



Geoff  21:07  

So, so even if I knew 20 people...


Georgie  21:12  



Geoff  21:12  

...I’m not putting them all on a boat.


Georgie  21:14  

So, like, I turned 30—oh, you did as well, 30, like last year, right.


Geoff  21:20  

Excuse me, don’t doxx my age online. Nah jokes.


Georgie  21:26  

Oh, you’re funny. And I remember before that day, I thought it would be cool to have like, look, not, you know, me, I hate parties, but I thought it would be cool to have some kind of celebration of some sort, some kind of low key, quote unquote, party for my 30th. And then I invite some of my friends. But then, you know, obviously, stuff happened around the world. And this kind of looked more out of the out of the realm of possibility. And then I thought, why do I care, right? But first thing is, why do I care about celebrating? Being a year older? I don’t, I don’t really care. I’m not a big birthday person.


Geoff  22:09  

Do you know what I say to people on their birthdays now?


Georgie  22:12  

Yeah you say Happy Exit From Womb—


Geoff  22:14  

Ejection day. Yeah.


Georgie  22:20  

But yeah.


Geoff  22:21  

When I first said it, my friend was like, wow, thanks for the imagery.


Georgie  22:25  

Well, it’s funny, like, if you’re a visual person, you wouldn’t think about, you’d just be like, great. I was born. Thanks. So that’s one thing, is like, stuff happened. And we couldn’t really go out blah, blah, blah. And then I thought about all my friends. And I was like, you know, I don’t think it’s very nice of me to get all my friends from different walks of life and different friend groups who I know from different situations, and to make them sit or stand or do whatever, in a room with myself, and maybe you know, members of my family, and almost be forced to, like, socialise, and you know, make make an appearance. Be present. Drink some alcoholic or non alcoholic drinks, eat some fucking dumb ass canapes, or whatever.


Geoff  23:18  

It’s like when you organise your wedding, right?


Georgie  23:20  

Yeah, it’s like, but the wedding’s a bit different. But yeah, with the party, right? It’s just like, I thought I would rather if somebody wanted to spend time with me and my birthday be like, cool. Let’s go and have lunch or something. Right. And I wouldn’t go in and invite everybody I know. It doesn’t feel right, and I just thought it was odd. It was an odd thing. And then I guess, yeah, weddings are a bit different, but also the same. Like, I remember when we were thinking of who’s gonna sit next to who, like, there was no better thing to do, because we didn’t want to put people we work with to sit next to like mum, or dad or whatever. So we put all of that work friends together. And them from like, talking to each other, realised they were at the work friends table. I was like, look, I mean, did you really want to sit next to like my aunt, who I’m sorry, like most of my, you know, aunts and uncles, don’t speak much English. But, so yeah.


Geoff  24:18  

So the last wedding I went to, I went solo. And I got put at a table. Next to—actually I had a friend, I knew someone on the table. I wasn’t sat next to them. I was sat next to this elder elder, like older gentleman. And I was told that he did some startup stuff in San Francisco. And I’m like, oh—


Georgie  24:49  

That’s why you’re sitting there.


Geoff  24:50  

Seriously... that’s why I’m sitting next to this person. So I’m like, fine. I can have a conversation with most people. But I think for us as as kind of, quote unquote, mostly introverted people, we, we think, keep the friends separate. But for extroverted people, they think I think they think of it as an opportunity for people to find new friends. Like, we don’t think it’s an opportunity to find new friends. Like, it’s an opportunity to talk with these two people—


Georgie  25:30  

That I know. Yes. Yes, I really like no shade on like extroverts, but like, I just, I don’t like it’s not that I don’t like making friends. It’s just like, you, I decide that, not, not you. Also the amount of mental preparation we have to go through to like...


Geoff  25:52  



Georgie  25:53 in front of like a bunch of people and potentially talk to someone we don’t know. Ah.


Geoff  25:59  



Georgie  25:59  

No thanks.


Geoff  26:01  

So, um, one of my slightly more extroverted friends was like, we were, we’re going to hot pot. There was... two, four... four of them, right. Two of my friends, their partners, and then me.


Georgie  26:17  

Have you told me this story before? I feel like you have.


Geoff  26:20  

I don’t think so. Went to hot pot. And then—


Georgie  26:22  

Yeah, you told me a story about hotpot and two of your friends with partners. But anyway.


Geoff  26:29  

Oh, well, I guess maybe. But they they asked to, they asked like, are you gonna bring your partner?


Georgie  26:34  

Yeah, you’ve told me this story.


Geoff  26:35  

I’ve told, I’ve told you the story. Have I told it on the podcast? Should I tell it on the podcast?


Georgie  26:39  

I think you did.


Geoff  26:42  



Georgie  26:42  

We’ll find out.


Geoff  26:43  

The, the amount of mental preparation, like it’s, it’s one thing to say bring, bring my partner. But it’s another thing is that they haven’t met my partner before, and my partner hasn’t met them yet. So in my mind, I’m like, that’s too many people to meet at the same time. Like, I would prefer they meet them one-on-one or one-on-two or two-on—like me and them and one of the couples first, and then combine them. Of course, it’s a longer process but extroverted. I find the extroverted people just go, that sounds fun.


Georgie  27:19  

Yeah, meet my partner!


Geoff  27:19  

Then you’re like, no, it’s not fun.


Georgie  27:22  



Geoff  27:23  

And then I was also explaining to them because I was like, look, don’t get your hopes up with them coming. Because even for me, when I’m in a conversation with a group of people, I am trying to orchestrate conversation. It’s just something I do naturally, where I’m like, I want everybody to be involved and included in the conversation generally. So I will. I will like, try and...


Georgie  27:53  



Geoff  27:53  

Do that. Keep everyone involved, right? Don’t want someone missing out on anything.


Georgie  27:58  

That is so hard though. Like I know what you mean. It’s so difficult. Like, let’s say you join like you had, maybe you’re the friend that was invited to one of your extroverted friends’ like gatherings? And you don’t know anyone there.


Geoff  28:10  

Tell, tell that story later.


Georgie  28:12  

But like you don’t know anyone there, right? And then like, you’re trying to make sure you talk to everybody there. Oh, God, I hate that. I hate that.


Geoff  28:19  

Oh, so that’s kind of different. Because when I was invited to an event where there’s people I didn’t know, I just go to my own friends. And I talk to them singularly or in that little group.


Georgie  28:31  

But if you didn’t know anyone what would you do?


Geoff  28:33  

But if somebody was there, and I didn’t know... and I, if I didn’t know anybody, I wouldn’t go around, I’d find one other person who also didn’t know anybody, and then bond with them.


Georgie  28:41  

But what if you’re just sitting at a table?


Geoff  28:43  

Oh god, the table? Yeah, that’s hard.


Georgie  28:48  

Yeah, it’s yeah, it’s it’s tricky.


Geoff  28:51  

I had to do that at a wedding a little bit, I think. But yeah, go for yours.


Georgie  28:54  

I was in that situation recently, actually. But I didn’t mind. But I sat next to the host. And I think what I was trying to do was I tried to arrive early, or like, not like early that it’s creepy. But I basically arrived on time. So that I could see when people came in, and were introduced by the host. So we were sitting at a table and and like, we were going to eat food. So that way, I felt more comfortable, like knowing, like not instead of walking into like, into a table of like people I don’t even know, but to be with like a few of them. And then, then people would come in. The rest of them come in.


Geoff  29:35  

Yeah, right. You, you start off a small conversation with one person and then the next person goes, oh, hey, this is blah, and I’m blah, who are you?


Georgie  29:44  



Geoff  29:45  

That makes sense.


Georgie  29:46  

And it’s more comfortable. But I mean, yeah, the way I chose to handle this situation was just come on time. Especially when you have to be in such like intimate setting. Yeah.


Geoff  29:56  

Yeah. So yeah, I kind of like, if if it’s my group of friends and we have, and we have maybe some new people, then I go into that mode, I go, okay, this is a new person. Try try to keep them, like involved in the conversation or if they don’t feel engaged with the topic, switch the topic, stuff like that. Or if I know both parties and they don’t know each other, then I will try and like, make sure that we’re talking about something everyone can be engaged with. But yeah, it’s so tiring. Um, sure I could sit there and do nothing about it. But I don’t, I don’t like that either.


Georgie  30:39  



Geoff  30:40  

You have, two pe—two groups of people. And no one’s talking about anything that’s relevant or interesting to the other party.


Georgie  30:49  

Do you have that problem where suddenly you’re talking, you’re talking to a person and suddenly your conversation, conversation sort of ends? Or, you know, there’s a pause and you start hearing other conversations in the same area. And then like, you’re like, oh, my god, I can’t like process it. I feel like, I’m trying to lis—like eavesdrop, but I don’t want to participate.


Geoff  31:13  

Oh, my god. So I had I had a picnic with my friends. Recently, we had a crisscross conversation. I’m not even kidding. Two people here were talking about something. And I was talking about something over there. And I was like, screw this criss—screw the people not engaging in our conversation because long can you engage the conversation with the person across from me? It was, um—


Georgie  31:39  

It happens.


Geoff  31:40  

Actually intense. Yeah, it’s happens all the time with that group of people, because usually, it’s like a group of eight. And it’s just impossible to have a whole, whole conversation. And it happens at work conversations as well, when you have people on a long table, multiple conversations going off at the same time. But yeah, oh my god, it’s just a drain. It just, nothing quite like never mixing your friends ever. Because I think I would just explode. I’m okay with like, if I have a friend or like, like, Dorinda, and she’s meeting each individual group of people, that’s kind of okay. But to have multiple groups of people meet each other, oof. That’s a lot of overhead. Lot of, a lot of cognitive overload, I think we call the, the business, in the business. So yeah, I don’t know. But back to the yacht thing. No, never. If someone gave me $795 I’ll go buy something else.


Georgie  32:55  

I almost want to say, I never want to be seen dead on a yacht. But maybe that’s purely because I’m associating it with, like you said, those peeps posing on Instagram. Just, I don’t know. But anyway.


Geoff  33:14  

There’s, um, it was it’s quite old news now. But there’s also the people who have fake jet planes and staged staged planes that they like, hire, and they just sit in for an Instagram photo to look like the super rich.


Georgie  33:30  

I think Nick actually showed me a reel like, just today, of this guy sitting in like what looked like a fancy plane, with a glass of champagne. And he literally just gets up, walks past somebody sitting on a chair and then ho—the camera equipment and gives them the champagne glass, and he starts drinking from an apple juice. And he just walks out the back lot of like some filming studio.


Geoff  33:54  

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, this is just ridiculously off topic. But one of my friends brought up home and contents insurance.


Georgie  34:06  

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Geoff  34:09  

The thing is, about contents insurance is that I haven’t had it for 10 years.


Georgie  34:14  



Geoff  34:14  

They haven’t had it for 10 years. But they decided that now’s the time to do the contents insurance. And... do you have contents insurance?


Georgie  34:25  

I think wed do. Oh, actually, I’m not even sure. But I know that we definitely have it for my engagement ring.


Geoff  34:34  

Yes. Yeah.


Georgie  34:35  

It’s a pricey expensive thing.


Geoff  34:38  

Oh, yeah. What do you think about the whole three months salary for an engagement ring? What do you think about engagement rings?


Georgie  34:43  

Oh, my god. There was I mean, I’m not... didn’t mean to say “oh, my god” in that kind of fashion. But there was a Instagram post done by an illustrator who’s done some really good illustrations related to like female empowerment, and then kind of like against these weird societal norms, and so on. And apparent—apparently there was a thing going around. I don’t know how recent it was. But women, I think maybe it was mostly women. were judging other women’s engagement rings.


Geoff  35:12  

Oh my god.


Georgie  35:13  

What right do you have to basically judge, and—oh criticise, I would say—someone else’s, like, I know it’s a physical—symbol of love, of love. I’m like, extremely rude. Right. So like when I, when I see it on people... oh the illustration showed, like, a few different engagement rings, and then one of them was like a plastic toy ring. And it’s like, totes fine. What was I gonna say? Yeah, when I see other people’s, I just look at it for what it is, like, oh, their partner gave it to them. A sign of their affection, or it’s like, supposed to represent their affection. Like it’s nice. Like, I usually think then, I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever thought this. It’s just just wrong. It’s wrong. I think it’s wrong to criticise that. But if you’re asking about like, what I think of it, like in general... Is it necessary? I don’t know.


Geoff  36:14  



Georgie  36:14  

I mean, I don’t have any strong opinions on it. Similarly to like weddings, getting married and stuff, that kind of stuff is rooted in tradition. And if you’re into that, fine, people are into it. Some people are not, they’ll just like, not get married, they’ll they’re not into these declarations of love and proposing and whatever. So, you know, whatever you want.


Geoff  36:38  

The, the, I think I’ve only really been close enough to one couple, where I saw them actually get engaged. And chose, I chose to make it super awkward.


Georgie  36:54  



Geoff  36:56  

Where my friend was like, look, um, uh, we’re engaged, we’re engaged now. And I looked at my other friend who, they, both my friends engaged, engaged to each other. And I was just like, where’s, where’s his ring? And I kinda, I kinda teased them for—subtly trolled, the idea that, you know, the guy should have a ring as well. It’s like, the whole engagement thing. And so like, she’s kind of mine, and, I’m like, well, put one on the dude’s finger too.


Georgie  37:36  

Yeah, I have heard of women who have proposed to men. And then obviously with like, like gay couples, or like not hetero sexual couples, like, you would get people of all genders proposing  to anybody. So I don’t think it... I don’t think it’s like, ah, so cute sweet and stuff. But I do think that like, the proposal to me, maybe it’s because like ours was like, private, I guess no one was around. I don’t think it makes sense for it to be shared or seen by everyone—like some people that invite their family and it’s a little surprise and stuff. I mean, good, good for you. I mean, I’ve watched like some of those as well, if you’re really close to your family and all of that and you want to do it in like a place where your family can be, cool. So.


Geoff  38:26  

I think YouTubers particularly are a bad example. Because they are trying to make content out of anything. So their proposals are like, by fact, a public thing to do that can get them views. But I watched a vlog recently where the girl had two conditions for a proposal. One, their nails have to look good. And two, record the moment so that they can relive it for the rest of their life. And of course the dude, he is not stupid. He enlisted his, technically his employer, but they’re all friends, and they’re all kind of like family, the girlfriend to take his soon-to-be fiance out to do their nails cuz that seemed natural, right? Oh, hey, girl. Let’s go get our nails done. And then he enlists the rest of, the rest of the friends to just basically be in the same restaurant so that they can record it. So apparently they went to this really famous like really, like famous or hard to get place called Blue Fin or Yellow Fun or whatever in Las Vegas.


Georgie  39:59  



Geoff  40:00  

And it’s outside the Bellagio fountain. And she, they they’re going they’re trying out some food. Well, under the guise of a vlog, “we’re gonna try out the most expensive restaurant in in Las Vegas”.


Georgie  40:15  



Geoff  40:16  

Um, it’s hard to get a table, but they managed to get a table next to the fountain. And the rest of the friends got another table inside the restaurant.


Georgie  40:24  

So they can help film.


Geoff  40:25  

So they can help film. Anyways, it was actually kind of awkward. He quote unquote, practiced about, practiced it. But essentially okay. He went with his fiance’s sister. And then so they got up from the table looking at the fountain and he goes, “Oh, it’s really great, you know, special moment, have your sister visiting here, we can bring her to such a great restaurant”. And she’s like, “Yeah, food’s really good”. And then he. And then she looks out to the fountain. And then when she looks back, he’s like, bam, on his knee. He opens the ring. And I’m like, dude, don’t even watch enough TV shows? Like, you have to, you know, talk about your lives together? And how how, how much you love her... like you don’t just go bam! Anyways.


Georgie  41:18  

Yeah, I’ve seen a couple of YouTube where they, they do the whole, got a room setup with the picture, and the fairy lights. And I’ve saw one where the guy runs like a film like a film company. He makes films like short films and stuff on YouTube. So he works with a bunch of people. So they were able to help him. And I think they got his soon-to-be fiance too. They, they got her to think that this place she was going to was like a, like a, what do you call it, like um, it’s like a sponsor is doing like a promotion thing.


Geoff  41:59  

Oh yeah, yeah.


Georgie  42:00  

Yeah. And then I think they got they got to be blindfolded. But before they got someone else to be blindfolded, and then go and do this, like experience thing, but the actual—that, that was actually the room with all the pretty fairy lights and stuff. And then they got her—and the reaction was like, I think I think it might have been related to One Piece or something like just to make it seem like it’s gonna be a scary thing so you gotta be blindfolded when you go in or whatever. But she goes in, obviously, blindfolded and when she takes the blindfold off, it’s totally not what she expected it to be. And then they got the camera following her around. And like when I watch those kinds of ones, which, I mean, I’m not judging anyone, but I sometimes feel like they... that’s quite common for them to do a full room with all the memories and things. Like, surely the—


Geoff  42:47  

It’s cute.


Georgie  42:48  

Surely she’s thinking, or the person being proposed to, sorry, might not be a she. But it’s probably they’re thinking like, something’s gonna happen, right? Am I gonna be proposed to?  


Geoff  43:01  

That’s, that’s what I was also gonna bring up.


Georgie  43:05  



Geoff  43:05  

Is the idea that proposals are a surprise is like, so interesting to me. Every kind of, I guess social media, media representation of proposals are like, the girl had no clue that she was going to be proposed to. It’s almost like they never talked about getting married prior to being proposed to. And I’m like, people should talk about being married before being proposed to, right.


Georgie  43:37  



Geoff  43:38  

It’s such a risk. What if they say no?


Georgie  43:40  

Yeah, I agree. I did see two bad proposals where you could tell they obviously didn’t—well, one of them was quite bad. I think the guy did it in times Times Square, New York. And she just like, she looked really disappointed. She shook her head. And like at this point, he was like holding her hand. But she was like, she shook her head. And she just like, let go. Like she just walked off.


Geoff  44:03  

Oh my god.


Georgie  44:03  

And like, no one could hear the audio. This was just happened to be captured and posted on social media. And people were saying, like, he looked like he was begging her back a little bit, maybe. And that’s like, well, you can tell that maybe they didn’t talk about this. And another one that I saw, which was very toxic, in my opinion, was the like a flash mob style.


Geoff  44:05  

Oh yeah.


Georgie  44:06  

But the way the guy went about it was he he got his girlfriend, I guess I’ll say, two in these scenarios that were made up and one of them was to basically manipulate her into, like, believing that he cheated on her and he didn’t. And then she was supposed to go through all of this other stuff. And then it was supposed to be revealed that was a joke. And obviously, like she was quite upset finding out that she, you know, been cheated on when it was, but even though it was a hoax. And then and then he did the flashmob proposal, but she was crying. But then she said yes. And I was like, dude, don’t do this. I don’t understand. And I think it might have, I think he might have done this because maybe they went through a fight recently. And he wanted to prove how much he loved her and stuff. And like, I, my opinion, I think he should have done this when things were more stable. But yeah, I... God.


Geoff  45:21  

I’m watching Friends right now.


Georgie  45:23  

I haven’t watched it.


Geoff  45:25  

Yeah. And they’re just some, some things where they’re like, they’ll, they’ll sol—they try to solve it, by like, moving in together or getting married. And that seems very typical in some movies and TV shows where they, they think marriage will just, they’re like fighting and fighting and fighting. They come to the conclusion that marriage would solve their their fighting. And I’m like, ooh, I don’t know about that. But I watched a Instagram reel of some sort.


Georgie  45:56  



Geoff  45:59  

Terrible. We—I didn’t know his acting at the time. But it ended up being so terrible that I was like, man, it has to be acting. So this girl gets up to go to the bathroom on a plane. And on her way back, she get—she dresses up in her wedding gown.


Georgie  46:20  



Geoff  46:20  

And she steps on the seats behind her soon-to-be fiance husband. And she climbs into the overhead baggage container. She, and then she she grabs out a sign that says “will you marry me”, and she grabs out a bouquet of roses, really small, maybe for like four or five roses. And she crams herself in the, like long ways, lengthways into the baggage carrier. And I’m like, okay, where’s this going?


Georgie  46:56  



Geoff  46:57  

So she starts by poking and using the paper to stroke, her fiance’s head. And he’s like, what’s going on? So he wipes his head. And she starts poking him with her foot. And he’s like, getting pissed at the guy behind him, a little bit. And then she starts dropping petals on this dude. And the end, he’s still getting way angry at the person behind them. And they’re all mime acting. I’m like, do you—do—you can’t hear what they’re saying, or are they actually not saying anything? He starts complaining to the flight attendant, the flight attendant’s like, stop doing it and then—or acting, stop doing it. And then she just keeps pouring more and more petals. And this thing was like ten, fiteen minutes long.


Georgie  47:50  

Are you serious?


Geoff  47:51  

I’m not joking.


Georgie  47:52  

What the heck.


Geoff  47:53  

She did all of these things just to annoy the fuck out of the fiance.


Georgie  47:58  



Geoff  47:58  

For ten straight minutes. And then finally, she drops all the petals, like just rips off all the rose petals, drop, dumps it on him. And then, he’s like oh, he’s getting angry at the guy behind him. He goes to get up to fight or whatever. At some interval she actually closed it just to hide herself. And then he goes to put a bag away. And he goes to put it in a different seat’s baggage carrier, not the one above his seat, I’m like oh my god, this is so bad. Anyway, so he gets up. He was like ready to fight the dude. And the dude’s, like, look up and she’s holding the sign and he’s like, oh my god! And then you start to hear them speak.


Georgie  48:46  



Geoff  48:47  

On the video, I’m like, wait, they could have spoken this entire time. So bad mime acting everything. Without speaking, I’m like, this is really bad. But yeah, 10 minutes of just painstakingly poking prodding this person to do this ridiculous proposal.


Georgie  49:05  

Yeah, can you tell me that you at least watched it at 2x speed cuz you just wasted—


Geoff  49:09  

I watched it at 1x speed. It was like, Dorinda was watching with me, we were seven and a half minutes in I was like, screw this. I started like skipping. I skipped all the way to the end. I’m like, okay, finally. But ten, fifteen minutes of that shit.


Georgie  49:24  

So, for perspective...


Geoff  49:25  

The comments, comments are like, worst acting ever.


Georgie  49:29  

Yeah. So for perspective, I will share the story of how I was proposed to, because it’s nothing like this shit. So there is a, there is a picture of it happening because there was a video. So that’s where the picture came from. So we had talked about this like, like Geoff, was saying, like we had talked about getting married, other—because, so I don’t know about this when it’s a total surprise, because you know. I didn’t know what the ring looked like, which I think is the thing, you just don’t, maybe she’s maybe she tells you what, like, maybe the person tells you what they they like in a ring, and then... whatever, doesn’t matter. So I knew, basically I knew that Nick had the ring in his bag when we went on the plane to go on our Europe trip. I didn’t know, I didn’t know when he was gonna do it. But I, I knew he had some plan, right. And we’d obviously talked about being together. So it was not like I was gonna say no and shit. And, so he did he proposed in, in Varenna in Italy, which we’ve mentioned before, which is where we had the fiumelatte, where we saw the waterfall and all that stuff. So there’s like these, like estates or like gardens, on those on those, in those cities there, where they just like pretty gardens and flowers and that kind of stuff. And at the time, well, I still am kind of, you know, I post like fashion and style pictures on my blog. And usually Nick takes photos. Actually, Geoff used to do them for me, like years ago.


Geoff  51:09  

I did it once, I think.


Georgie  51:11  

I think you did it a couple times. But yeah. Yeah. So I always I don’t care that much anymore about like the location, or the background. But back then I kind of wanted to get the pictures taken in like a nice location. So we thought, let’s, we’ll do something while we’re on our Europe trip. And apparently, I was supposed to pick the garden that we’re going to go to, but I didn’t really care. And I think we had like, we were resting in our Airbnb and like, oh, let’s go out. Let’s go out and check one out. And then Nick took his tripod, which like he brought with him on the trip, because I mean, I guess wanted to help take some pictures and also just take pictures, whatever. Didn’t really think much of that. Right. But before we headed out this afternoon, I noticed that he moved his bag. Like from the living room to like the bedroom and like. I think I just said, “Oh why did you move your bag?” And he was like, “Oh I just moved it”. Like, like maybe maybe took the... yeah. So I knew that he had the ring in a box. And he put it in a sock. And because when we’re traveling with an expensive thing, you don’t want to like lose it or someone to steal it or whatever. And he had one of those, those camera bags, with the compartments and stuff. So he picked a spot to put it and he said to me, it’s there. So he actually told me it’s there. I just don’t, I didn’t know when he was gonna do it. So anyway, I suspected he was gonna do it then, because he’s bringing the tripod, he moved the bag for some reason. So we go out and like, we’re just walking around, and I kind of forget about it for a bit. And he does take some photos of me by the water. It’s all good and stuff. And the thing is, this was just by by chance, I think. There were quite a few people in this garden when we came in, but it just so happened that just before he proposed they all disappeared. So he, he set up the tripod, and he wanted to take a photo of us. But he wasn’t taking a ph—I think he took a couple of photos of us and then he started a video, and then like I kind of knew it was gonna happen, because like what else, right? He didn’t have like some giant speech planned, right? Just said a few words. And then just you know, I love you. Do you want to, do you want to marry me, right, And just so happened that he recorded the whole thing. And he somehow got us both in the in the frame. And then yeah, like literally after that. I said yes. And I had to shove it on my finger because it was really hot. And I’ve noticed even these day—so I actually had to get my ring like resized a couple of times, because it was too small. And then I just ended up getting it bigger. But even these days when it’s really hot, it’s hard to take it off. Like, because my hands are swelling, but pretty much right after like he proposed and I said yes and stuff, this kid and his dad just like started walking really close. So they didn’t even, they didn’t even see it. But it was just by chance we happened to be fully alone. So it was nice, but...


Geoff  54:04  

That’s nice.


Georgie  54:05  

You know, it’s not... it’s... yeah, the stuff that you see on the internet is either like, really staged or. I don’t know. I think it’s staged.


Geoff  54:15  

Yeah. It’s um, it’s one of the things that that seems nice, right? You knew he was going to propose but you didn’t quite know the plan to be proposed to it could have been, I don’t know. A boat down the, down the, what’s it what do you call them, rivers of Venice or something, like, or could be... Yeah.


Georgie  54:41  

I was actually thinking because because I was really—I am—I’m really obsessed with Stonehenge. I had this weird feeling he was going to do it there.


Geoff  54:47  



Georgie  54:48  

Then I was like...


Geoff  54:48  

You like rocks.


Georgie  54:51  

That was, that would have been weird, I think but... yeah.


Geoff  54:54  

Being proposed to at Stonehenge?


Georgie  54:56  

Now, think about it. Like now that I’ve seen Stonehenge and stuff. I think it might have been a weird spot. But whatever. I mean,


Geoff  55:04  

You go to Stonehenge and you see Nick, like, go down and like pick up a rock from Stonehenge, you’re like, what are you doing? You’re picking up a rock from Stonehenge? Like it’s your wedding ring.


Georgie  55:15  

Yeah, it’s like because there’s nothing that can be seen. Have you been there?


Geoff  55:18  

Yeah I’ve been there.


Georgie  55:18  

Yeah. It’s just like there’s just the rocks and then straight up flat grass, like what are you doing?


Geoff  55:22  

Bleak, it’s pretty bleak.


Georgie  55:23  

Yeah. Yeah.


Geoff  55:26  

Nah, that’s nice. Yeah, I don’t know. You don’t need to be too complicated. It’s just a kind of expression of love. In you know, you know what else I would propose doing ending this podcast?


Georgie  55:44  



Geoff  55:47  

Nailing it nailing it. Um, so yeah. Don’t forget to follow us on @toastroadpod, Twitter, Instagram, mostly Twitter.


Georgie  55:56  

And you can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. And you know, I’d say that, I’d say the big engagement ring, but it really doesn’t matter what it fucking looks like. So.


Geoff  56:08  

Yeah, the big proposal. No, it doesn’t even, that doesn’t matter either.


Georgie  56:12  

The big Stonehenge, they’re big. Those rocks are big. Huge.


Geoff  56:16  

Huge. They’re a foot long, apparently.


Georgie  56:21  

Wait, they must be more than a foot?


Geoff  56:23  

No, no. I remember a l—in a previous episode, we looked up how they came up with the foot and it was based on the length of a stone in Stonehenge, I think.


Georgie  56:32  

But they’re way longer than a foot because I’m five foot two.


Geoff  56:36  

I don’t know.


Georgie  56:37  

Maybe it used to be, maybe the sh—oh, the shadow. Is it the shadow?


Geoff  56:41  

Maybe shad—maybe shadow.


Georgie  56:43  

Yeah that makes sense.


Geoff  56:45  

Anyways, new episodes every Monday. So see you next week.


Georgie  56:52