Our two hosts talk packing light, and Georgie gets roasted for (finally) upgrading her phone to a larger form factor.
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Our two hosts talk packing light, and Georgie gets roasted for (finally) upgrading her phone to a larger form factor.
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Georgie 0:07
Hey everybody. Welcome back to welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host Georgie and I’m here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:19
Hello. You did it.
Georgie 0:21
I did.
Geoff 0:22
I don’t know when the last time you did, I don’t know when the last time you did an intro was. But yeah, I was like do we have to, do we have to practice doing a podcast again?
Georgie 0:34
Ah screw that. Nope. Absolutely not.
Geoff 0:36
No. Anyways, you have ditched your iPhone Mini is what I want to talk about today.
Georgie 0:41
Mhmm.
Geoff 0:42
This is. This is quite unprecedented. For those who don’t know, Georgie has been very adamant about the mini size and has refused for the past, I guess, not really that long.
Georgie 0:53
Three years.
Geoff 0:54
Three years? Two years? It’s two years, you had the iPhone 12 Mini?
Georgie 0:58
12 mini.
Geoff 0:58
Oh, yeah, three years.
Georgie 0:59
Yeah.
Geoff 0:59
Three years that she was not going to get another phone until there was a new mini, if I recall correctly.
Georgie 1:06
Yeah. And then they didn’t release one.
Geoff 1:09
Yes, they cancelled it.
Georgie 1:11
Okay, but I think one of the contributing factors in deciding to get one of the phone, the phones from the lineup this year, was the fact that I was on a holiday for like four weeks, and I was living the power pack life. I had to carry it with me all the time. And I was like, oh, shit, I need to charge this now. Take a bunch of photos, already like down a lot.
Geoff 1:33
So you bought it in on your holiday?
Georgie 1:36
No. Okay. This is what’s funny. So we actually watched the event, which which happened while we were still overseas, we watched it like live which for you would have like, back in Australia would have been like 3am or something.
Geoff 1:49
Yeah, you know, I’ve done that like once. Have you actually watched it live in Australia?
Georgie 1:55
No, I think we usually watch it like, early in the morning cuz we gotta go to work or whatever.
Geoff 2:00
Yeah.
Georgie 2:00
So we usually watch it early in the morning.
Geoff 2:02
Don’t recommend it.
Georgie 2:02
Not like live. Why, though? Obviously, I wouldn’t, but—
Geoff 2:07
I don’t know why I did it. I was like, You know what?
Georgie 2:10
Didn’t want to get spoiled?
Geoff 2:11
Well, it’s like, you know what? I’m game enough to do it this time. And I have never had I’ve never like watched it live before. I wonder if it makes a difference. And to be honest, it didn’t make any difference.
Georgie 2:23
Yeah, it doesn’t unless you, like if you, like for us because it happens during that night. If you just get up, watch it as soon as you get up.
Geoff 2:32
Yeah.
Georgie 2:32
And not like go on social media or news.
Geoff 2:34
Spoilers would be a good reason for me to do it.
Georgie 2:36
Yeah. (laughs) So yeah, we ended up being able to watch it in. In Europe because I think it was like 7pm. So we had an early dinner, which, I just remember, we’re like, quick, get back to the Airbnb, and let’s watch this.
Geoff 2:51
Oh, you did Aribns on your holiday?
Georgie 2:54
I think no, we only did like two Airbnbs.
Geoff 2:57
Oh. Okay.
Georgie 2:58
The rest were hotels, and I think a good reason to do hotels in Scandinavia is that breakfast is not often not really a thing in some places. Especially if you go a bit rural and you’re like doing hikes or hike hikes.
Geoff 3:13
Yeah.
Georgie 3:14
So it’s good to have the hotel breakfast which is often included, we found that it was often included at no extra cost.
Geoff 3:19
That’s nice.
Georgie 3:19
Oh fuck, get this— oh wait, you don’t drink coffee. I don’t know if you’ve progressed from your mochas, but, coffee like cafes are not open until like 10 or 11 and I’m like bro, what do you mean. I woke up at six and I’m just, I want a coffee! So yeah, we did. We did a couple of Airbnbs with one of them we had a bit of a hiccup in we were supposed to pick up a pair of the keys from 7 Eleven.
Geoff 3:48
Everywhere, like that’s normal?
Georgie 3:50
Yeah? Okay.
Geoff 3:51
Is it?
Georgie 3:52
Like I don’t know. But the there’s like a lockbox sort of system that that works a bit digitally and you give them a code and then they get the key or whatever. But it just so happened that when we got there, the technician needed to come and fix it.
Geoff 4:09
You’re not having a good time with your vending machines.
Georgie 4:12
No. Anyway it ended up like after waiting and killing time at a cafe, the Airbnb host just gave us a spare key like she just showed up.
Geoff 4:19
Nice.
Georgie 4:21
Anyway, we we watched the event while we were there, and I was like oh yeah cool, whatever looking at the phones and stuff and I actually bought, I bought the phone, like I wanted to order it so that I could pick it up. I got the 15 Pro, by the way, people—
Geoff 4:38
Yeah.
Georgie 4:38
Wanting to like—
Geoff 4:39
In what colour?
Georgie 4:42
Blue titanium.
Geoff 4:43
(laughs)
Georgie 4:44
So I wanted the 128 gigabyte one because my iPhone Mini was 128 gig was and I wasn’t really like—
Geoff 4:51
Wait you want the 256 one because 128’s the base one.
Georgie 4:56
I ended up buying the 256 but originally I wanted—
Geoff 4:59
Oh originally you wanted the 128.
Georgie 5:01
Yeah, so I looked at the Apple store and I put the shit in my cart. And I was like, cool, can I like, should I just order it now, you know, is it gonna run... It was like, I think I got back the day after it was available. But all the 128s sold out. It’s like, nope, you’re not gonna get it for three weeks. I was like, fuck you. And I’m looking on JB Hi Fi and like other retailers to be like, can I get it? Can I pick it up? Can I get it to me, or whatever. And I even went through the duty free coming back from the airport. And I was like, do you have them? And like, because they weren’t on display? And the guy was like, oh, yeah, we have them. We’re just not showing them. And I’m like, okay, do you have this one? The 128 gig. And he’s like, we do have it, and it was like 5% discount.
Geoff 5:46
Ooh.
Georgie 5:46
Actually, no, he, no, they didn’t, he had the 256. And then that he kind of made me think about maybe getting it and Nick was like, You should probably just get it because the photos will be like larger in file size and you’ll take heaps of photos.
Geoff 5:59
Hahaha. Classic, I mean now you upgrade your iCloud.
Georgie 6:02
(laughs) Yeah, I know, that’s how it works. Right?
Geoff 6:05
Yeah.
Georgie 6:05
That’s how they get you.
Geoff 6:06
It’s how they get you.
Georgie 6:06
Anyway, the fuck, what was I gonna say?
Geoff 6:11
Yeah, so you went to JB Hi Fi. You’re at the—
Georgie 6:14
I was in the duty free store.
Geoff 6:15
You were in the duty free store.
Georgie 6:16
And Nick was like, you gotta have to come through the thing and say you’re bringing in more than $900 of—
Geoff 6:21
Oh true, you have to declare it.
Georgie 6:23
And I was like, fuck, and he said, you’re gonna have to pay 10% GST. Goods and services tax, everybody.
Geoff 6:29
You have to go the other way. I think you have to buy it in Australia and then exit the country. Get your get your GST back. And then—
Georgie 6:38
Yeah.
Geoff 6:38
And then come back the other way and say yeah, like, it’s like, and then come back. It’s fine. No, wait, no, no, no. You have to declare—
Georgie 6:45
You’re not allowed to do that anymore.
Geoff 6:46
...it on the way, you have to declare it on the way in and then you have to pay the 10% anyways, so yeah.
Georgie 6:53
So I’m not trying to call anybody out. But also calling people out, somebody I know is trying to do this thing where they buy a new phone and then go on a holiday and get the get the tax back.
Geoff 7:05
Yeah.
Georgie 7:06
But, but then they bring the phone back and you’re not supposed to do that.
Geoff 7:09
Yeah, just don’t claim it.
Georgie 7:10
It’s not for personal use.
Geoff 7:11
It’s like, “I gave it away”.
Georgie 7:13
I think they, I think they really like started like cracking down on people doing that.
Geoff 7:19
I can’t remember but I did it with the iPad Pro at some stage. And they waved me off. Like they didn’t even make me they didn’t charge me.
Georgie 7:28
Did they ask you?
Geoff 7:29
I declared everything to the letter. When lined up, got to the front and they said, eh, don’t worry about it.
Georgie 7:36
So wait, you were leaving? Or—
Geoff 7:37
I was coming back?
Georgie 7:39
Ah OK.
Geoff 7:40
So I bought it. Um, left, came back, declared it, and then they were like yeah, don’t worry about it. They’re, what they’re looking for is the jewellery. The ex, the rings.
Georgie 7:40
Oh fuck.
Geoff 7:51
You don’t, you don’t go around 10k like 20k—
Georgie 7:56
Wearing the shit.
Geoff 7:56
...dollar rings. You don’t get away with the GST? Like going out and coming back in with the, with jewellery. That’s the that’s the thing that looking for. iPads, phones, whatever is fine. Don’t take that. Don’t take my word for it. You might get detained.
Georgie 8:12
Yeah.
Geoff 8:13
Don’t risk it, just don’t risk it. Anyway, so you were at the duty free store and you were contemplating get 256.
Georgie 8:22
And then yeah, Nick was like you’re gonna have to pay the, like the discount doesn’t matter because—
Geoff 8:25
Yeah.
Georgie 8:26
You’re gonna have to declare, I’m like, oh fuck off. And then I was just like, let’s just not worry about it. He said he encouraged me to just keep checking back on the app until it was like, says available.
Geoff 8:35
Yeah.
Georgie 8:36
Instead of waiting for like three weeks for it to, to be shipped.
Geoff 8:39
Man. No one likes the blue titanium.
Georgie 8:41
(laughs) Basically on the way—I know, I know, I’ve heard the shit. But like I put a case on mine because I decided I’m not going to be a d-bag. (laughs) Literally in the taxi on the way home. I was like, fuck it. I’ll get the 256. It says I can pick it up at insert my local Apple Store. Because I don’t want to tell anybody where I live. It said, can pick it up today because Nick had ordered the new watch to pick up that day that we got back, because we got back in the morning. I was like fine. I’ll do it at the same time. I’ll just do it, I’ll just order it while I’m in the taxi.
I was—
So yeah.
Geoff 9:07
Yeah.
Georgie 9:08
I should say that in Singapore. Because we were there a couple of days before we got back we went to the store so that I could actually like look at and feel the phone. So I didn’t just go “oh, looks nice. I’ll buy that”.
Geoff 9:27
Yeah, well, like when I was um, I pre ordered one as well. But it’s not going to arrive till like the end of October or something like that.
Georgie 9:39
Haha.
Geoff 9:40
I had a small window where I realised hey, I can actually pick it up the next day. But it was—
Georgie 9:47
And it said it was, it was unavailable?
Geoff 9:49
But it was super inconvenient and we were umm-ing and ahh-ing because like we had we have like a bunch of stuff planned. And I was trying to like slot some time in some way to go pick it up. And then I realised, I don’t really I, my phone is perfectly working fine. I don’t really need to get it today or tomorrow. And my partner is also going to switch not to the fif—not to the Pro, but to the regular 15 or was going to switch. I’m not entirely sure any more at the moment, but essentially, the idea was like, okay, we also want to have the opportunity to like transfer stuff, because you kind of don’t want to stand in the store and transfer all the things.
Georgie 10:33
Oh yeah, I just did it at home.
Geoff 10:34
Yeah, you just kind of take it home, and then you can, but we want to do trade ins, and they—
Georgie 10:42
Ah. OK.
Geoff 10:42
Take your phone on the spot, right, which I find convenient, but at the same time, it’s like how long is transfer gonna take before they take away your phone kind of like feel, vibe? In any case.
Georgie 10:54
Yeah.
Geoff 10:55
It’s all very contentious.
Georgie 10:57
Mine took a while.
Geoff 10:59
Yeah.
Georgie 11:00
Like it got stuck, initially, I didn’t realise, then I was like, why isn’t this like moving? And then I cancelled and did it again. And I basically, I think it took a couple of hours at least. And I had to take my phone to the grocery store. I think I could still dismiss—oh I can’t remember.
Geoff 11:17
So you—
Georgie 11:17
It was it was a little bit inconvenient. I was like, you got to kind of, what, stay put.
Geoff 11:23
Yeah. So that’s, that was the risk. I was like, I could, I was gonna bring a cable. And just like, connect the two phones instead of doing wirelessly and you could probably walk around if you had cabled them together. Maybe. And
Georgie 11:38
I just, I just walked around with like both—
Geoff 11:40
Oh, true, because it’s wireless.
Georgie 11:41
In my handbug, but I couldn’t really use them. It was just, I just didn’t want to leave him in the house. I mean, what was the point though?
Geoff 11:48
You could have left them both behind.
Georgie 11:49
...grocery shopping with me. I know, there was no freaking point. Just these two like phones trying to like transfer shit sitting in my bag doing nothing.
Geoff 11:58
“Did I receive a phone call? Er, I don’t know”. Although if you have the SIM card in your watch, I suppose that’s one that’s one way of getting your phone—
Georgie 12:05
Oh, I actually don’t. I used to, and then I didn’t, I felt like I didn’t really use it. So I got rid of the SIM card in the watch.
Geoff 12:12
Yeah, the thing is, like, I can also put a SIM card, now, because I went and got the stainless steel, the bloody aluminium scratching got to me and I bought the stainless steel one.
Georgie 12:22
Wait, what?
Geoff 12:23
8? I got the 8.
Georgie 12:26
Ooh.
Geoff 12:27
Like the dark stainless steel 8.
Georgie 12:29
Oh, yeah, I got I got the 5 still, the 5. Series 5 stainless steel one.
Geoff 12:35
I remember back then. Yeah, I had the 3. And I was like, man, this glass is scratching and you’re like, yeah, that’s why you got the stainless steel because the glass is—
Georgie 12:42
Yeah when I upgraded.
Geoff 12:43
...less scratch, is more scratch resistant. I’m like, okay, so when the 8 came around, I was like okay. I’ll get the titanium one. And then 9 came out with a double tap thing.
Georgie 12:54
Oh, I mean...
Geoff 12:55
I enabled the original accessibility stuff. So I can actually double tap on my watch now to dismiss things, it’s just not as seamless as you’d expect.
Georgie 13:07
The new feature I found is like, you know how they’ve got the sort of like state of mind stuff like the mental health.
Geoff 13:12
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 13:12
The new watchOS, iOS. There’s one called time and daylight. Right? I’m like, how does it do that? Well you have to have a series 6 or later, and I’m series 5, but it’s just like, there’s a sensor from the series 6 that like can tell when you’re in daylight.
Geoff 13:25
Oh. That’s pretty fancy.
Georgie 13:27
And I was like oh, that would have been interesting. Like because, you know, sun’s good for you. Or like sun—light is good for you.
Geoff 13:33
True, because the doc said I needed more vitamin D, as docs say to everyone in our industry. (laughs) Anyone that works on a—
Georgie 13:41
I don’t get told that.
Geoff 13:42
...computer, really? Oh, you go outside more.
Georgie 13:44
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I go on walks and stuff. So.
Geoff 13:47
So maybe that’s a good one, right? Is it it’ll tell me like oh, you, you probably need to get some more sunlight. So go get some sunlight. That’s, that’s a good feature. So yeah, I enabled all the gestures. So I’m not entirely sure what the gestures are right now. Like, still trying to figure it out. But essentially, it’s really inconvenient because—
Georgie 14:06
(laughs) OK so the double tap weirds me out because I fidget a lot. What if I’m just doing like—
Geoff 14:13
Oh.
Georgie 14:13
Motions with my hands and I accidentally do something.
Geoff 14:15
I suppose if something comes up on your watch, you have to activate it, for one. You have to be looking at your watch.
Georgie 14:20
Oh OK.
Geoff 14:21
And then the other thing is, for the accessibility once you have you have a fist, and then you have a double fist, to do something and you have a double pinch, and a pinch to do something. So I can’t quite remember which one’s which but I think the fist like brings up it brings up this sub menu, this menu to ask what kind of action you want to do, like press the crown or like do like the physical button type stuff. And then the double—pinch, and the double pinch are kind of like moving through the menu or dismissing something if it comes up, I think. And then a double double fist. Will, will select a thing, I think.
Georgie 15:01
Yeah.
Geoff 15:01
But that combination is really difficult. Like I’m standing here with my hand up in the air. And I’m like pinching and pinching and pinching and trying to get to what I need. And I’m like, oh my god. Okay, nevermind. I’ll just tap it.
Georgie 15:13
Yeah.
Geoff 15:14
Yeah. So double tap. Not, not my fancy, but it’ll be kinda cool. I think for, I think they double tap that they came up with does better than the, the, accessibility like, combination things. So you, you landed and then you went to the Apple Store?
Georgie 15:39
No, I, well, yeah, I landed I think I went to—yeah, we went to the gym.
Geoff 15:44
You went to the gym after you landed? (laughs)
Georgie 15:47
Yeah.
Geoff 15:48
Dedicated.
Georgie 15:49
Well, we came home and then, you know, got ready to go. Because it was like, oh, our flight was delayed. I think we were supposed to like land at 6. We landed at 8. But yeah, went to the gym, got on with our day, had some food. And then we drove over to the Apple Store, and then picks up our stuff. Fun times.
Geoff 16:09
Yeah. But I got a new app for flight status.
Georgie 16:14
Flighty?
Geoff 16:15
That’s the one. It’s quite cool.
Georgie 16:18
I need to announce to everybody that Nick was using this app before it was cool.
Geoff 16:23
Yeah, before there was a dynamic Island.
Georgie 16:27
Yeah, he was, he’s been using it for ages. He said he’s been using it since like, launch, basically.
Geoff 16:32
Wow.
Georgie 16:32
He’s very into, like, planes anyway, just, yeah.
Geoff 16:36
The, so I used it to track my parents’ flights over to Sydney. And my god, it was the most flip floppy thing. Like it would say, Oh, they’re gonna be 10 minutes early. No, now they’re ten minutes late. No, they’re gonna be ten minutes early. Oh, hey, no, what, 20 minutes late? I’m like, oh my god.
Georgie 16:53
Yeah, it did that on one of our flights as well. Like, it can go in between, like, whatever, like, say, 9:10 and nine o’clock. And I’m like, what are you, what’s going on?
Geoff 17:01
Yeah. But it makes sense. Because they’re in the air. You can’t, I don’t think—like, it’s reasonable that, like the time would be quite variable.
Georgie 17:14
Yeah.
Geoff 17:14
Because you’re in a plane, or they’re in a plane. The they could be taking a sub optimal route to avoid some bad weather, and then you would slow down for a bit. So then you like oh, if you keep going at this speed, you’re probably going to be 10 minutes late, but then you speed back up. And then it’s like, oh, now you’re gonna be 10 minutes early. But I think it’s okay, if you are the one on the plane, or trying to catch your flight. Maybe.
Georgie 17:42
It’s probably more useful to you.
Geoff 17:44
Yeah, like when it lands, then, and it telling you whether or not the flight is going to be delayed or something like that. That seems useful. After it’s landed.
Georgie 17:53
Yeah it also tells you where your stuff is in the baggage carousel, which I don’t use.
Geoff 17:56
Yeah.
Georgie 17:57
Because I carried carry on, bitches.
Geoff 17:59
How did you, so you carried on seven kilos?
Georgie 18:02
Shhh.
Geoff 18:04
Yeah I knew it.
Georgie 18:05
(laughs) Oh my god, I bought some Norwegian chocolate. And I was like, because we had to go to Singapore, I was like, this cannot melt. Right. Because we brought it for like family and friends. There were all these bars of chocolate. And I’m like, I can go to put it in my—because I carried my 38 litre backpack—I’m like, I’m gonna put it in there. And it’ll be like kind of padded by the clothes and stuff. It’ll be fine. And I was like, I hope this isn’t considered liquid. Because I think I’ve probably told this story before when my mum had like—please don’t ask—ten or so tubs of Nutella confiscated at Sydney airport.
Geoff 18:36
Oh yeah.
Georgie 18:37
It was considered a liquid.
Geoff 18:38
Yeah.
Georgie 18:39
And I was like, yeah, I checked. And chocolate is considered a solid. That’s its like normal form. It’s packaged or whatever. You can take it on, carry on. Totally fine.
Geoff 18:49
Yeah, they sell it at the airport. It’d be really weird if they sold something at the airport, like departures. And you weren’t allowed to take it on. But yeah.
Georgie 18:57
Yeah, no, you’re right. Yeah, yeah. No, that’s the thing that bothers me as well is like, like, we started carrying a drink bottle around, but we had to empty it before going through security and then you gotta fill it up on the other side.
Geoff 19:06
Yeah.
Georgie 19:07
So strange. Anyway, we were worried that the internal flights we had in Norway would care about the size of our bags. So my backpack didn’t have a lock on it. I didn’t like bother with this. And so we agreed that Nick’s roller suitcase, we would pack the chocolate if there was a problem.
Geoff 19:24
Yeah.
Georgie 19:25
We’d pack the chocolate in there. We’d put all the weight in his carry—because it wasn’t so much a problem of space like both of us carry on and like an extra like whatever personal item, a backpack thing. It was more of a problem of weight. So like we’d just pack it in there in his suitcase and check that in.
Geoff 19:44
Yeah.
Georgie 19:44
So we still had the check in—sorry—checked luggage on our ticket as a backup. But yeah, I’m carrying around. I’m like, there’s a fucking kilo of chocolate in here. But like, I think my bag was like 8.5 kilos just...
Geoff 19:57
(laughs)
Georgie 19:59
I feel like it’s always the weight that you kind of got to worry about, not so much the space.
Geoff 20:04
Have I talked about this before, but I figured out why the weight matters?
Georgie 20:08
Yeah it’s the overhead locker right?
Geoff 20:09
Yeah, the overhead locker falling down. But if your backpack’s going underneath the front, front seat, maybe that’s not such a bad—
Georgie 20:16
Oh.
Geoff 20:17
That’s why they maybe—
Georgie 20:18
But it doesn’t always fit.
Geoff 20:20
...don’t care?
Georgie 20:21
It’s a 38 litre backpack. You think it’s gonna fit under the front seat?
Geoff 20:23
Man...
Georgie 20:24
Actually, it did in, it did in one of the one of the business class cabins, like there was actual actual space, but you know, not everybody’s fucking awards flights and shit.
Geoff 20:34
Yeah, so. So did you, so did you have all your like all your clothes and stuff in your backpack?
Georgie 20:41
Yep.
Geoff 20:41
Or did you...
Georgie 20:43
Yep.
Geoff 20:43
Cheat?
Georgie 20:44
Well, actually, I was wearing like an outfit.
Geoff 20:46
Yeah. You cheated! You should have—
Georgie 20:48
What do you mean I cheated? I should have walked around naked?
Geoff 20:51
Exactly, exactly. That’s the true, true testing backpack.
Georgie 20:55
Yeah. I think the tricky thing was the hiking shoes, they take up quite a bit of space. And so what I ended up doing was, I know this sounds really like, banal, but I put like some socks, I stuffed some socks into the hiking shoes to buy back some space.
Geoff 21:10
Oh. Right, right.
Georgie 21:11
Yeah, I think the way you pack makes a big difference as well. I recommend rolling your clothes instead of folding them because they take up less space when you like roll them.
Geoff 21:19
You could, you could tie the shoelaces of your hiking shoes together and sling them—
Georgie 21:23
Oh and put it on the back, yeah—
Geoff 21:24
Either, either like your your straps, like just the bottom part of your straps, just hang them there. Or if your bag was cool enough, like mine, it would have a back, it would have hooks on the bottom of your of your bag to hang shoes.
Georgie 21:42
Yeah, I think mine was pretty basic. My bag is pretty basic. So there’s not a ton of extra features besides like just the belt biz, and... Like there’s not even like you know some of the have this little like plastic hook.
Geoff 21:53
Yeah, the sternum strap?
Georgie 21:55
...something. Oh, it’s got the sternum strap, but there’s sometimes just a hook we can put your keys or whatever.
Geoff 21:59
Yeah.
Georgie 22:00
Keys, yeah. It doesn’t even have that. And I have to admit when like, the way that my backpack works is when it’s like quite stuffed, quite full. Some of the outside pockets don’t really work. There’s supposed to be a side pocket, like a hidden pocket for me to grab my passport or whatever.
Geoff 22:18
Yeah.
Georgie 22:18
And that was just like, it’s just too difficult because there’s so much stuff in my bag, and there’s supposed be a water bottle, um, spot. But the way that the bag works is it’s like, the water bottle part is on the—
Geoff 22:30
Goes inside the pocket.
Georgie 22:31
Yeah. Expands inwards?
Geoff 22:33
Yeah.
Georgie 22:34
Yeah. Anyway, it served me well, the backpack it was good.
Geoff 22:38
That’s, yeah, I’m trying to find a new backpack to be honest. And I was like thinking, you know, lighter is better. But I’ve realised that any backpack, any backpack that has two compartments, like one that has like something for your laptop, and then like there’s another compartment where you have some other stuff, it’s generally almost like they’re like, it’s negligible. It’s like 100 to 200 gram difference in in the backpack as a whole, maybe even less, like 50 to 100 gram difference. So I’m like, okay, if I buy a new backpack, am I actually gaining anything, in weight? No different, weight difference. But my real big peeve about the current backpack is that like yours, when you fill it, it’s difficult to like, the pocket opens like really small and you can’t get into it.
Georgie 23:25
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 23:26
My problem is that even if my bag is friggin empty, that’s a problem like the laptop slot, I put a 16 inch MacBook in there, and I literally can’t put my hand in any of the slots and all the slots, they redesigned with smaller pockets. So you think about a laptop slot. And then they have like a little little side pocket. They put dividers in that side pocket. So like when you put your hand in, you almost have to squeeze into like tinier pocket.
Georgie 23:55
That sounds like a structural problem.
Geoff 23:57
Yeah.
Georgie 23:57
Like I feel like shouldn’t the zipper open more?
Geoff 24:00
Exactly, right?
Georgie 24:02
The compartment wider?
Geoff 24:03
Yeah. So the expansion is just not there at the top side. And that’s where I put all my shit. And it’s sort of like it’s the most inaccessible thing. Maybe the laptop’s too big. Maybe like it’s only rated for 15 inch.
Georgie 24:17
It’s, yeah. Yeah, the funny thing is, mine’s too small. It’s 13 inch. And it’s made, it’s like the slot is like so big. So I’m like pushing my hand in there, trying to just grab it, but because there’s so much stuff in the main compartment. I’m like, I just, just...
Geoff 24:30
Yeah, so it’s so tight as well that I can’t two finger pinch, bring out my laptop. Like my my fingers would just slide off the laptop.
Georgie 24:38
Yeah, that’s what happened to me as well.
Geoff 24:41
Yeah. So I’m like looking at new backpacks. And my god, there is no, there is no comparable backpack out there that I can reasonably buy. I think I’ve seen maybe one or two, but it’s tough life, buying backpacks, because they’re either big waste, like, waste-of-space type backpacks, or they put the laptop compartment plus like a bunch of pockets inside the main compartment. So you have to open up the entire bag—
Georgie 25:09
What the hell, man.
Geoff 25:10
And then put your hand in. And I’m like, what the, and then like some of them are clamshell kind of like your packing bag, like the whole thing. The whole fronts unzips. And you can like—
Georgie 25:20
Yeah.
Geoff 25:20
Lie it out open.
Georgie 25:21
Yeah.
Geoff 25:22
I mean, that’s not entirely necessary for a tech backpack. Why do I need to open the entire thing up and then grab my stuff? That’s also like completely unnecessary.
Georgie 25:33
For embarrassment purposes.
Geoff 25:35
Yeah. All right. So my iPhone story. I was like, okay, we ordered the phones. Wait, I was trying to figure out if I should, yeah, pre order. So I pre ordered it. I was like, okay, whatever. The day that I decided to preorder the phone, I dropped my phone.
Georgie 25:56
What!
Geoff 25:56
I dropped my current phone that I was going to trade in. And I was like, oh god. So luckily, though, that the the delivery was going to be at the end of October, because I wasn’t sure how long the process was to fix my phone because I have AppleCare+. Now—
Georgie 26:16
Bitch.
Geoff 26:16
If you don’t read Apple Care+’s, key terms and conditions closely enough, you’ll realise that a chip on the bottom of your phone, basically damage that doesn’t prevent the functionality of the phone is technically not covered under the replacement. Like so.
Georgie 26:34
Oh—
Geoff 26:34
For those who don’t know—
Georgie 26:35
For like superficial—
Geoff 26:35
Apple, yeah, Apple Care+ allows you to swap your phone, if you’ve damaged it. Could do what twice a year or something like that, infinity. Infinity years, as long as you have I guess, the subscription. So I dropped it, chipped it, I contacted Apple over the messages. And I said yeah, this is a picture, then they said, cool. You can take it to the store, they’ll replace it for you. And this is just all to get my maximum trading credit. I get to the store. And the lady’s like, oh, I’m just telling you now, they won’t swap your phone out for a chip on the corner of your phone. It has to be, it has to be like—
Georgie 27:21
Like a crack.
Geoff 27:22
Prevent, preventing functionality kind of thing like a crack on your screen or something like that. So I could a) go through the entire repair process to fix a small ass chip on the side of my phone, wait half an hour for my appointment because they’re half an hour behind, just so that the technician can tell me they’re not going to swap my phone. (laughs) So I was like, um, and then I asked them do you think this will affect my trade in value? And they said no?
Georgie 27:53
Oh.
Geoff 27:54
And I was like, I don’t believe you entirely. But okay, you know, what if it’s if it’s an extra, if it’s 20 or $50? Like—
Georgie 28:02
Are you recording this conversation?
Geoff 28:04
Yeah, 20 or $50 off is still okay, because I’m actually getting 50% off the new Pro by trading in my phone. So—
Georgie 28:13
Oh, that’s pretty good.
Geoff 28:14
It’s, it was like a, it’s like a no brainer for me to trade my phone in. So if it’s 20, $50 off the full trading price, I’m not gonna cry over it. It’s better than sending it off to get fixed for an unknown period of time. And then not having my phone to trade in.
Georgie 28:32
Yeah.
Geoff 28:32
Yeah it’s rough. I feel like my 12 Mini was so destroyed. I couldn’t trade it in. Oh, you would have gotten some back right?
Georgie 28:39
Nah, man, there’s a crack in the camera.
Geoff 28:42
Okay, maybe not.
Georgie 28:42
Love that.
Geoff 28:43
Why do you, oh, this is why you need a new phone. Get a case.
Georgie 28:47
Yeah, so there’s a crack in the camera. There’s an absolute like dent in there that’s like, you can see silver underneath the blue. So that, I feel like that’s some damage. There’s a massive crack on the screen, or scratch rather, on the screen that’s like visible.
Geoff 28:59
What are you gonna do with it?
Georgie 28:59
I’ve dropped it multiple times—keep it for testing my, at work, cos I’m a fucking loser.
Geoff 29:07
Oh man.
Georgie 29:08
Like, it’s so funny. Like, there was this, there’s this thing that like our product at work doesn’t really work on small phones. And I was like, bitches. I have the smallest phone in the market. We’re gonna use my phone, and I took all the screenshots. Here’s the shit exper... I’m not shit-talking my, my, my work but but, I thought okay, well, now I can’t like continue to monitor improvements that we make across the, across the app experience, so maybe it’s maybe it’s useful for that? Because it’s a fucking tiny phone.
Geoff 29:38
Yeah. Like, at our work, the goal was never to be responsive, like to target the desktop experience. But like every now and then.
Georgie 29:47
Yeah, see, we did that. Yeah, we actually started with that too. It’s just kind of like most of our customers, like, just don’t use the mobile experience.
Geoff 29:55
Yeah.
Georgie 29:56
But now we just do like incrementally try to make it better.
Geoff 30:00
The thing is, we have some good samaritan like, front end engineers, we actually have front end engineers, I’m gonna, air quote them, front end engineers on all the teams, right? So some of them, when given the design, will do that automatic, like responsive size, automated responsive work. But without a design, possibly. So, designers don’t do the mobile, mobile side of things. So they just—
Georgie 30:30
Same here.
Geoff 30:31
They just do from their own goodwill. So my thing is, everybody’s got different levels of responsiveness. And then they show us kind of like a new design vision, and I’m like, holy shit, you need everything to be responsive to have any, to get anywhere near this vision. Basically you have a side drawer, you know, side drawer that like expands and—
Georgie 30:55
You know what we call that? Drinks menu.
Geoff 30:58
(laughs) A drinks menu. That’s, that’s nice. So yeah, I’m like, if you have a look at how your content works now, and you squashed the space, and the do you bring out the drawer, like nothing’s going to good look good. So we’re gonna have to like, essentially start being actually container query responsive. So for those who are not—we’re not going to—
Georgie 31:20
You’ve hit the quota of work.
Geoff 31:21
We‘ve hit the quota, work. Yeah. In any case, so that’s nice to donate your phone to the call—
Georgie 31:29
Yeah. But it’ll probably just live in my house, right?
Geoff 31:31
True.
Georgie 31:32
I don’t know if it really is like, no, I’m not going to use it, then. I’ll just end up selling it just as I do with my other phones.
Geoff 31:39
Yeah.
Georgie 31:40
I was gonna say, this is like the biggest jump I’ve made in an upgrade. I think.
Geoff 31:43
Really?
Georgie 31:44
I always get I look at the fucking bottom of the fucking barrel. Like I alway get the, I never get the, I never get the Pro.
Geoff 31:50
Never get the Pros.
Georgie 31:51
Yet here I am with a Pro. Just fuck it.
Geoff 31:53
Wait, why didn’t you get the regular 15? Instead of the Pro?
Georgie 31:57
Did you see the blue colour?
Geoff 31:59
(laughs) Yes. I saw. It’s fair.
Georgie 32:02
(laughs) It was. I was I don’t know, I kind of looked at it. And I was like—to be fair, I put a large amount of weight on the colour of the phone. And I’m like—
Geoff 32:12
(laughs) That’s how they get you.
Georgie 32:14
Like, you could not call that blue. Like even, OK, so the 12 mini, the blue is like, yeah, you know. And then I remember looking at the 13 mini and I was like, yes, blue? And then I think it was like the 14 or something. I was like, that’s getting grey, people.
Geoff 32:30
Yeah, I should have sent it to you. Or did you send it to me?
Georgie 32:34
Oh yeah. Is it the one where it’s just like they ran out of ink.
Geoff 32:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Georgie 32:37
Yeah, I’ve seen that, I’ve seen that.
Geoff 32:38
It’s so hilarious. I’ll put it here. Yeah, so it’s this photo where they show you the blue from the iPhone 12, which is the one you have, which is pretty deep. And then the 13 it gets lighter and 14 gets lighter. And the 15 is basically pale. It’s sort of like—
Georgie 32:57
It’s like an ice blue.
Geoff 32:59
Like, yeah, I was like, if you were Caucasian, and the, and, it was like below 10 degrees. That, that, shade of blue.
Georgie 33:14
(laughs) Kind of like if you went to the Arctic or Antarctic, and you looked at the ice, like it’s not quite white, but, yeah.
Geoff 33:22
Snow? It’s like the sky is like reflecting off snow. That’s the blue that you get.
Georgie 33:27
That’s the blue.
Geoff 33:28
Looks like Apple’s running out of blue ink. Yeah.
Georgie 33:31
But I don’t know. I also thought about like, oh, maybe I should like, might as well get the Pro, like, part of me was like, let’s just give it a go. Because I feel like I always get the phone with the smallest battery every time there’s like a new release.
Geoff 33:44
Mhmm.
Georgie 33:44
And I’ve been like, oh yeah, it’s time—
Geoff 33:46
Smallest storage, smallest battery, smallest, like the cheapest one.
Georgie 33:51
Yeah, and to be fair, it has an impact, right? And like, I guess it’s already like my, my 12 Mini like aged after like—
Geoff 33:59
I think that was the one that had the worst battery. I think they—
Georgie 34:02
Yeah because—
Geoff 34:03
Form factor... it’s crazy.
Georgie 34:05
Yeah, I thought about 13 Mini, because it would have actually would have been better than the 12 mini and fresh and new. But then I was like, dude, why don’t I. Why don’t I just get a new phone? Why don’t I just suck it up and get a bigger phone?
Geoff 34:19
The—
Georgie 34:19
Also because oh, the other thing is it’s light, right, because it’s titanium.
Geoff 34:22
Yes.
Georgie 34:22
I was like oh you know what, you kind of got me there. It’s that’s not too bad.
Geoff 34:26
I flip flopped on this because obviously there’s a lot of videos out there that tell you the 14 Pro is and the 15 Pro have like very very very minute, unnoticeable, near-unnoticeable differences and—I sat here and I was thinking you know what? The rounded corners and the lightness is almost enough of a reason for me to go to the next one because god damn this thing cuts. Like—
Georgie 34:50
(laughs)
Geoff 34:52
You hold it in your hand—
Georgie 34:54
It’s so clunky.
Geoff 34:55
Yeah, it’s heavy. It’s it’s like the—oh yeah, the heaviest phone I, I had ever owned before, and even if the titanium is, you know, less sturdy or durable, because you’re lighter phone, obviously, it’s gonna be like less durable, I don’t care, I might get this case this time as well.
Georgie 35:16
It’s a phone, you’re gonna use it. Like, I feel like if you’re gonna use it and you’re gonna use it without case you should probably expect a bit of wear and tear, like.
Geoff 35:24
Yeah. Either way, I also decided that I don’t know if I said I’ve said this multiple times to multiple people, but I’m gonna take upgrading my phone as a hobby. As like—
Georgie 35:35
Oh what, what are you going to do? Explain.
Geoff 35:38
Just every year, just because you know what I spend weeks, month, like weeks of time and mindspace con, like considering and justifying the shit out of getting a new phone, that it’s almost just easier for me to say, you know what, new phone, I’ll upgrade. Never nevermind any justifications. The trade in value is comparable, 50% off is reasonable. If it continues being like that, then you know what, it’s not an expensive hobby. To be fair.
Georgie 36:07
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s a hobby, I think it’s a way of like purchasing stuff where like, you sort of get the same item the following year, and then you’re able to like get rid of your old one for about the same so you’re—it’s like that thing where they like every year you spend just 100, technically quote unquote.
Geoff 36:23
Yeah.
Georgie 36:23
You’re just spending like $100 more or something versus if you had a phone and then it degrades and then you don’t get much back, you’re kind of spending $1,000 every two years.
Geoff 36:32
Or you saved for two years and now you can afford $1,000.
Georgie 36:36
Yeah. It depends on how you like—
Geoff 36:39
Yeah, so I think it’s not entirely an expensive hobby to have to upgrade my phone every year. It also will save me a lot of mind brain power trying to figure out how can I justify the shit out of getting this new phone and yeah, and it’s, either Apple will... so I think I watched his YouTube video on what happens to like trade-in phones it goes to like this massive warehouse and then they—
Georgie 37:11
Do they refurbish?
Geoff 37:11
They re, they refurbish it a little bit and then they resell it for whatever amount but, but yeah. I mean it’s it is kind of wasteful but also if it gets recycled that’s also pretty good. Either way.
Georgie 37:29
Oh, yeah, we didn’t talk about their whole like zero waste...
Geoff 37:31
Oh, god. Yeah, the carbon neutral thing.
Georgie 37:33
Oh yeah, this is, this is why I did, also didn’t get the the FineWoven, case my friend was like, don’t get it.
Geoff 37:38
Yeah, it’s trash.
Georgie 37:40
My friend was like, watch some reviews, it’s shit. I’m like, oh, okay, because I saw the pur—like the mulberry one because I got the mulberry watch band.
Geoff 37:46
Yeah.
Georgie 37:46
Because I like the colour. But I saw the mulberry FineWoven one in person and I was like, Ooh, very nice. And yeah, apparently it’s absolutely shit.
Geoff 37:55
Oh my god. That’s like the worst product I think, I feel like Apple’s come out with in ages. Like the case...
Georgie 38:00
So I ended up just buying one of the Otterbox ones because it’s nice.
Geoff 38:05
Yeah.
Georgie 38:05
Well it’ll work.
Geoff 38:06
I got a case specifically for travel. Because they’re just you know what, you could try and rely on AppleCare+, but when you’re traveling, who has time for that? Like if your phone literally breaks whilst you’re traveling, you probably can’t even find your way to the Apple Store to figure out...
Georgie 38:26
Yeah.
Geoff 38:27
How to get it fixed. And then you’ll be out without a phone for like days, maybe. I don’t know.
Georgie 38:33
Yeah I used to use a case just like when I was travelling, a lot or going to the gym. But I had one of the Apple silicone cases on my mini.
Geoff 38:42
Yeah.
Georgie 38:42
And it fucking like, it was falling apart on my holiday. And I, it’s funny, I took a photo of like the bottom of it just like cracking and like, all of the silicone started to peel. And it’s just like that tactile feeling of like, it’s there. And you’re like, I need to peel it off off, like I just I can’t—
Geoff 38:59
Always need to peel.
Georgie 39:00
When I pick it up. It’s like, you know, like glue in school that that Clag glue that people put in their hands and peel, it’s like that shit.
Geoff 39:06
Yeah.
Georgie 39:07
And then like it was cracking, I took a photo of it. And I said to my friend, I was like, “this thing thinks it’s coming home with me? It’s fucking dreaming”. I literally put it in the bin in the hotel in Singapore.
Geoff 39:20
And that’s when you cracked every part of your screen innit.
Georgie 39:24
I dunno, just getting to that point, like yeah, I think to, being on a holiday, like for a month with a phone that needed to have a powerpack all the time. Oh. Fuck this.
Geoff 39:35
That was partly the reason why I had a mirrorless DSLR to begin with. It’s because I didn’t want my phone—
Georgie 39:42
You didn’t want to use the phone?
Geoff 39:43
Being the navigation, the camera—
Georgie 39:45
A victim!
Geoff 39:47
And the entertainment. All three in one phone. The battery just doesn’t last. But yeah, nowadays you got the battery packs. There, there are those MagSafe battery packs. You didn’t have MagSafe on the mini, 12 mini right? Or did you?
Georgie 40:02
Yeah I did.
Geoff 40:03
Oh wait, no. Yes, that’s right. I remember that.
Georgie 40:05
Yeah it does. But I didn’t really use it like.
Geoff 40:07
Yeah.
Georgie 40:07
I just plugged the lightning in.
Geoff 40:09
USBC now, baby.
Georgie 40:12
I don’t know what to think of that. I have no opinions.
Geoff 40:14
I wireless charge everything. I don’t need it.
Georgie 40:17
Oh. Okay.
Geoff 40:18
Yeah. But you got USB three speeds. Congratulations.
Georgie 40:24
(laughs) I don’t know, I—oh, Action Button!
Geoff 40:28
Yeah, Action Button.
Georgie 40:29
Wanna have a guess, what did I, what did I put the Action Button?
Geoff 40:32
It ends, it ends this podcast right? (laughs)
Georgie 40:36
(laughs)
Geoff 40:36
Action Button ends this podcast.
Georgie 40:37
Can you imagine? It’s just like, oh, there is this guy on YouTube, random, there is this guy called Ralfy, R-A-L-F-Y. He does like, like whiskey and Scotch reviews. And he just randomly decided to get this big red button that like stops the recording. Because he just does the long form videos, where he just sits in his like place and talks about like and reviews stuff. And then it just talks to the camera. It’s not edited. Like, that’s his style. And then he’s got this button and just presses it and it just cuts the thing off. And it’s funny because he makes a big deal out of it. Anyway. Yeah, wanna, wanna guess what the Action Button does?
Geoff 41:13
I think your Action Button—
Georgie 41:15
It’s nothing groundbreaking.
Geoff 41:16
Starts a workout.
Georgie 41:19
Nope.
Geoff 41:19
Oh, interesting. Okay, what is it then?
Georgie 41:24
It does Shazam, music recognition.
Geoff 41:26
(laughs) Just ask Siri to listen.
Georgie 41:28
I—well see, I don’t like doing that in public, and being like—
Geoff 41:32
True.
Georgie 41:32
“Hey Siri, what’s playing?”
Geoff 41:33
Yeah.
Georgie 41:34
And I find that I use it quite frequently. Like I didn’t even know until like, a few months ago that you could add that to the Control Center.
Geoff 41:40
Yeah.
Georgie 41:41
So I’m like asking Siri and like feeling embarrassed or have to open—
Geoff 41:44
Oh, there’s a link to the Control Center for it, that’s fun.
Georgie 41:47
Yeah so you just swipe down and press, right. And I was like, I regularly find myself in places in like restaurants, cafes, or whatever. And they’re playing a song and I’m like, I like this. And you know, now I can just hold down the button.
Geoff 41:59
That’s pretty good.
Georgie 41:59
Yeah, I think Marques Brownlee was like, you know, for some people, they might be like playing with this for ages. For others, they might, you know, a few days in and be like whatever.
Geoff 42:08
The—
Georgie 42:08
But yeah, I was just like, day one. Shazam.
Geoff 42:15
I’ve—sound, ping, music recognition. Yeah. Yeah, I’ve watched a couple of videos where they where people have basically set it up for like, the button does different things, different times of day, different orientation of your phone.
Georgie 42:27
Oh shit.
Geoff 42:28
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 42:28
Is that what the Siri shortcut...?
Geoff 42:29
Yeah, yeah. So if it’s portrait, then you press the button, it turns it to selfie mode, but if it’s landscape, and you press the button, it will it will do a regular like, like back facing camera shot. Like if you’re away from home, or you’re at home, if you can connect to your own wifi, the button does something different. Yeah. Like that’s, that’s crazy.
Georgie 42:53
Shit.
Geoff 42:53
So that’s kind of some fun stuff. I think the interesting thing is if yeah, I would probably do if I’m at home and connect to my wifi, the button would, would open the TV remote because man I use that a lot. Anyways.
I don’t like, you know that Siri shortcut, what, is it not Siri, it’s just shortcuts, right?
It’s called shortcuts. I think it is actually called Siri shortcuts. But yeah.
Georgie 43:14
Have you every, have you ever actually tried to create something in there?
Geoff 43:18
Yeah, yeah, I think...
Georgie 43:20
I had a hard time. I’m saying that as a fucking software engineer.
Geoff 43:23
Yeah, it’s pretty difficult.
Georgie 43:25
There’s a complexity to it that I just can’t grasp. I’m like fuck off. Like I literally just wanted to be like, should I take an umbrella?
Geoff 43:32
Yeah.
Georgie 43:32
And based on the rain at certain times and knowing that I’d be at work for X amount of hours—this is like pre pandemic I think.
Geoff 43:38
Yeah.
Georgie 43:39
Like, I wanted her to tell me, yeah, take one or like I wanted her to tell me, should I take—
Geoff 43:43
You’ll go home, you’ll be home in time for the rain not to be there. So don’t take an umbrella.
Georgie 43:48
Yeah, shit like that. Or, yeah, take a jacket and depend on the temperature and because I care about the wind speed because one day if it’s very windy, you need a jacket even if it’s like 20 degrees.
Geoff 43:58
Yeah.
Georgie 43:58
And it was just too hard. I was just like, fuck off.
Geoff 44:01
I can’t even remember what I was trying to use it for. But it was kind of there was something along the lines of getting a lot of inputs and then parsing that, because the time of day is really difficult for it to pass and you have to like tell it what format to parse the time of day into, so that you can use that as the next input, because you’re like, if I want it like today or tomorrow, the day after every day or whatever, then that’s like really difficult for it. Anyways. But yeah, I I don’t know what I’m gonna do with my Action Button yet, but for now the Action Button is going to end this podcast.
Georgie 44:41
You can do it to record a voice memo right? So—
Geoff 44:43
Yes.
Georgie 44:44
Can you do it to stop?
Geoff 44:45
You can do it to record the voice memo. So yeah, you can follow us on no social media. Cos we, cos we kill it all off.
Georgie 44:56
Wait no. You can email us!
Geoff 44:58
You can email us toast... toastroastpod@gmail.com. Yeah. You can email us if you want.
Georgie 45:06
And you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you find your podcasts and the big Action Button.
Geoff 45:14
Of course.
Georgie 45:15
That will hopefully one day end this podcast. (laughs)
Geoff 45:16
(laughs) Yeah, if it’s podcast time, press button, it will end podcast. And new episodes every Monday. So, see you next week..
Georgie 45:28
Bye.