CONTENT WARNING: Mentions of child pornography and grooming of children. We discuss shitty comment sections on social media, and incidents where people were, or could be, unexpectedly in trouble with the law.
CONTENT WARNING: Mentions of child pornography and grooming of children
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We discuss shitty comment sections on social media, and incidents where people were, or could be, unexpectedly in trouble with the law.
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Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Georgie 0:08
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast &. Roast. I am your co host, Georgie. And as usual, I’m here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:18
Ha-lo, o. It’s broken, broken up there. How’s it going?
Georgie 0:25
I did it on purpose.
Geoff 0:26
Oh.
Georgie 0:27
Did—yeah. Did I talk about that time that I had to direct a bus driver? Because he got lost?
Geoff 0:34
What? How does the bus driver get lost?
Georgie 0:36
It was quite recently actually, actually don’t say recently, we don’t know when this episode is coming out.
Geoff 0:42
Recently in the last year.
Georgie 0:44
I’ll have to tell the story without doxxing myself and telling everyone where I live.
Geoff 0:49
Just just pick a different suburb, which is the—
Georgie 0:52
We were going to—
Geoff 0:53
One with the highest crime rate, uh, Bankstown?
Georgie 0:58
No, because then it sounds weird if I’m—all right, we were going somewhere. Let’s just say we were going somewhere near the city, jump on the bus, and we’re gonna go for dinner. But there was an event happening nearby, which meant that some of the roads were closed. And the Tripview app, which is quite useful even during the like special events and things like that will show you the updated bus route. When when you open the app. So we could see the way that the bus was going to go it was going to skip that part of that street and go just around it, and then detour. And I think the bus driver, we didn’t realise until later, but I think he actually had, he had a map. But he had to turn, he turned at the wrong street, he turned too early. And therefore we just started going way off.
Geoff 1:53
Oh shit.
Georgie 1:53
Like we thought, yeah. And I thought maybe he’ll he’ll figure it out and the bus ends up going to the city anyway. And so we’re like, a worst case scenario, we’ll just end up in the city eventually, instead of where we want to go. And then we can just walk back or like we’ll get we’ll get like a train or whatever. And after he turned left, and he just kept going left, and he kept going in that direction and not turning right at all. I was like, are you gonna turn around? Like you’re going way like, beyond, so there was a woman who walked up to the bus driver and said, “Is this the right bus?” Like is this this route? Is—
Geoff 2:35
So that’s my biggest worry sometimes is getting on the bus, wrong bus and like going the opposite direction.
Georgie 2:41
Yeah, so she didn’t know, she was in a panic. Everyone else on the bus seemed to be fine. I think they were all aware that the bus was changing the route because there was an event. So they were all fine. There were like families with prams. And they were just like people just not complaining. Not kicking up a fuss. Anyway, the bus driver was like, yeah, it’s fine. We just need to take a detour because so and so. But then, because he didn’t, he wasn’t totally right at all to go back. I said to Nick, let me just ask him if he’s planning to go to Central Station, like if he’s at least planning to go there. So I go walk up to him. And I said, hey, are you planning to, like go to Central next, cos like, I know, you can’t go on that street. Because there’s a there’s a there’s an event. But we’re kind of going the wrong way, I said. And I had the Tripview, open the app open. I was showing him that compared to all of the, compared to the route and all the other real time buses. He was like, way off to the side.
Geoff 3:41
Oh shii...
Georgie 3:41
And he was like, oh, and then he said, he actually asked me, do you know like, which which way to go or whatever? And I was like—
Geoff 3:50
So embarrassing.
Georgie 3:51
Yeah, he was, but he was really nice. And I was like, wait, so he doesn’t know which way to go? And he said, “Can you tell me?” He’s like, can you tell me how to go back, he’s like do you know your way around here? And I was just surprised because that’s not what I was expecting. But it seems he’d gotten entirely lost. He had a sheet of paper, piece of paper, which mapped out the alternative route. And I guess he’d just followed the instructions wrong, so. I’m there with my map and telling him, like, can you turn right, though—all every almost every single intersection that that we’d passed so far, we were at a, we were at a intersection when I was talking to him and standing right next to the bus driver. And all of them had said no right turn, no right turn. And I said, all of these said “no right turn”, he goes, “oh, buses are excepted”. I’m like, “Turn right here. Like now!” Like here, like go, and then we’re just going like through these back streets and stuff. And then like we’re both trying to figure out because there’s a lot of road work in different areas. We’re both trying to figure out can you go there, because there’s like roadwork over there, and I was like, can you go there? Let’s try it, was just trying, stressing with kind of trying to figure it out. I’m just trying to get hitting back on, like, somewhere on the route. And I was also maybe a little bit selfish and thinking of like where I wanted to get off. I was like I could—
Geoff 5:10
It’s now a taxi. (laughs)
Georgie 5:12
I could direct him, I could have directed him easily just go straight to Central. But then that meant like, I would be late for our like dinner reservation. So I was like, just... it was cool.
Geoff 5:24
Oh, my god.
Georgie 5:25
Nick took a picture. And like he took screenshot of the of the app at that point in time. It was quite bad. Like we were way we were, I don’t know, maybe almost, like between five and 10 blocks to the left.
Geoff 5:38
Oh my god.
Georgie 5:39
Of where we were supposed to be.
Geoff 5:41
What a noob.
Georgie 5:42
But yeah, but what happened was, we got to part of the original route. And he was like, “Oh, I know where we are now”, so I guess he’d just pooped it and like, he had taken a wrong turn. And then he got lost. And he only knew the route that like, he knew.
Geoff 5:57
That’s like, I mean, at some point, you’d be like, I think this is the wrong route, right? Not confidently keep driving in the opposite direction.
Georgie 6:08
I think he just was clueless. He probably didn’t realise that, he either probably didn’t realise until I walked up to him, and I was like, are you planning to go here? Or I don’t know. Maybe he just didn’t know where to go? Like he just—
Geoff 6:20
It’s rough. It’s rough.
Georgie 6:22
Yeah,
Geoff 6:23
I mean, like, I get in a cab—
Georgie 6:24
I mean people are gonna, people would probably have given him a hard time, but no one seemed to complain. But I can imagine maybe any other bus, any other, you know, would have had multiple complaints from passengers, or more people panicking other than a woman and the woman was fine actually, like she was just like, worried.
Geoff 6:44
Yeah, you get in a cab. And you also like, expect that the taxi drivers know exactly where they, where to go. And I think this is one of those times where old cab drivers would be like, back in my day, we knew the streets and that’s why people—
Georgie 6:59
They did!
Geoff 7:00
...drive cabs right, this is why people drive cabs. But nowadays, any you know, dumb ass with a phone can like become a cab—heh, last episode—but I think I’ve I can’t remember the time, but getting in a cab and then like taking some weird route. And I’m like, this is this is not at all the direction I would go. And it’s like, always fearing that they’re taking some sub optimal route to squeeze some extra dollars out of—
Georgie 7:35
Money?
Geoff 7:36
Yeah. So I always get worried about those things, when they when they don’t take the optimal route. Although now when you hop into an Uber, you see the exact map the Uber sees, and you can watch them drive the map. But honestly, I get sick when other people are driving nowadays, like I don’t like taking cars.
Georgie 7:59
You hate being passenger?
Geoff 8:01
Yeah, I mean, I don’t mind being—I think my family’s like okay, but nowadays you just get into anyone any random person’s car, and it’s like, actually, I saw a tweet saying they wish there was a there was like a unscented filter, like a filter on all the cars where there’s no scent. Like the air fresheners and like perfumes and stuff.
Georgie 8:25
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 8:25
Get really hectic.
Georgie 8:29
Some people probably allergic to that shit too, depending how strong it is.
Geoff 8:34
But yeah, I usually feel like throwing up every time I get out of any, like Uber cab car. Someone else driving.
Georgie 8:42
I think it just depends on the driver. Like some I definitely experience like motion sickness, other times, like it’s totally fine.
Geoff 8:52
Maybe I’m just not used to, you know, internal combustion engines anymore. And the whole like—
Georgie 8:58
Aw nah—maybe like, wait, you drive your own car, right? So like, maybe you’re just used to not being a passenger.
Geoff 9:03
Yeah. But I think like, like, the engines that like your cars with the engines, kind of roll forward and back a little bit,
Georgie 9:12
The way they move?
Geoff 9:13
They sway a little bit more when they start off and then every time you slow down, you kind of like there’s an inertia and you like kind of like roll backwards and then forwards again. I don’t know. Maybe I’ve become way too sensitive to this stuff.
Georgie 9:26
Maybe?
Geoff 9:27
Yeah.
Georgie 9:27
Interesting.
Geoff 9:28
Before—
Georgie 9:28
I don’t know anyone else who has an electric vehicle so—
Geoff 9:31
Yeah, usually with the electric vehicle. Sure. It can be very harsh when you like slowing down it could like, go really stop pretty fast if you don’t know how to do it properly and that makes me sick. But generally like when you let it gradually go to the, to the end. It just stops it does. It doesn’t rock backwards, it doesn’t rock forward, it stops, and then—
Georgie 9:57
Yeah/
Geoff 9:58
The only time is if you like put your foot down too hard, then you go really fast forward, in which case then you start getting a little bit sick again. But that’s—
Georgie 10:07
Isn’t there an option on Uber to pick like a hybrid or an electric?
Geoff 10:10
I, I heard someone got into a Polestar for for the for the event the other week. So don’t think they opted for it. But I was like, that’s kind of cool. I would, I don’t know, thing is it when you’re a passenger, for someone who drives a Tesla, and they don’t do it well, you’re also really sick. Because because, if they stop and start, it can also be a little bit hard on your stomach. So I guess yeah, maybe I just don’t like being a passenger anymore. It’s because I control when the car slows down and when it speeds up. So.
Georgie 10:44
Yeah, yeah, cuz Nick hates being a passenger. Like he just he does not like it. Like he would rather be control the vehicle and part of it is motion sickness. But I think the other thing is like, he’s bored. Like, what do you mean? Also, I don’t know if I don’t know if you know this, but they call them the person in the passenger seat. The passenger princess, in like, I think is what they do on like, TikTok and stuff or this, it started as, started on TikTok, I think.
Geoff 11:12
Interesting. Passenger princess.
Georgie 11:15
Passenger princess. And there’s a there’s a joke that says, oh, you know, the passenger princess always picks all of the music, duh—
Geoff 11:23
Yeah?
Georgie 11:24
Gives incorrect directions.
Geoff 11:26
(laughs)
Georgie 11:27
Like, takes their shoes off. And they’re just like, that’s, that’s not really the attitude, but it’s just usually what happens, which I think is funny—
Geoff 11:35
My god. Anytime I see someone put their feet up on the dash. That’s—
Georgie 11:39
I don’t get that. How is that comfortable?
Geoff 11:41
It’s not comfortable. Yeah.
Georgie 11:43
Just like bend, bend youre back in like some weird fucking way.
Geoff 11:46
Yeah. Also blocking the sideview mirror? Probably not a good idea.
Georgie 11:51
Yeah.
Geoff 11:53
But—
Georgie 11:53
Oh, there was a news article. Where a woman had done that in a car. And I think I think it was a camera had taken a photo because her seatbelt had move, or she moved her seatbelt, like momentarily to open the to get to the mirror or—
Geoff 12:20
Yeah.
Georgie 12:21
The shame thing. Yeah, she’d takem her arm out of the seatbelt, which is, by the way, is a little bit weird. Why wouldn’t you just reach for it and pull that, but anyway, the problem was, and the complaint was that the speed camera had taken a photo up her skirt because she had a feet up on the dash. And they, the couple complained about it. Saying like, you know, just can’t take indecent pictures of someone like that, whatever. And the new, I don’t know if it’s New South Wales, police said that. Maybe it wasn’t, anyway, the police said that—was definitely in Australia. No one sees those photos because the camera takes the photos. No human actually sees them. And then they just automatically mail out.
Geoff 13:03
Yeah.
Georgie 13:03
The pict—but it was just, it was a strange thing. I don’t have much of an opinion on it. But it was just all the headlines were like, “woman upskirted by speed camera” or whatever.
Geoff 13:16
Yeah. I mean, if you never brought this up, then you wouldn’t be publicly, like, talked about and you may have just dug your own media hole. But yeah, and if they had ever gotten a ticket, they would know that the photos don’t get distributed. Wait, were they getting a speeding ticket?
Georgie 13:38
No, it was a not wearing a seatbelt.
Geoff 13:41
Oh, right, right.
Georgie 13:41
Because she had taken her arm out of the seatbelt. Which was a weird thing. Like she demonstrated it in like, whatever the news channel that covered it.
Geoff 13:51
We’re getting covered by news on this.
Georgie 13:53
Yeah, I know. It’s just like, I just did this. And I’m like, yeah, but who does that like no offense, no offense. But when you have the seatbelt on like this in the passenger seat, like—
Geoff 14:05
You got a whole arm free!
Georgie 14:08
I don’t know. Like, why would you take your arm out of the seatbelt to reach the shade in front?
Geoff 14:13
In any case, if they had ever gotten a speeding ticket prior to that, they woul know that these like camera photos and everything, like they don’t they don’t even get seen by human. They just, they just get sent to you, and then you can like come out and dispute, dispute it. And I guess that’s what they were doing. But they thought that it was being seen, I guess and, and indecently seen. But yeah, you know what? It’s like, if you’re flashing it to people don’t get angry that people will see it. And just because, and the speed cameras are there. You get told the speed cameras are there, right. Or seatbelts cameras?
Georgie 14:56
I don’t even think I don’t think she was actually intending to like, flash anybody she just was happened to be wearing a skirt or a dress?
Geoff 15:04
Yeah no one—
Georgie 15:04
...feet up on the dash.
Geoff 15:06
No one’s intended to flash anybody—
Georgie 15:08
I know.
Geoff 15:08
But—
Georgie 15:08
Like, if you were standing if you were walking past—
Geoff 15:11
Exactly.
Georgie 15:12
And the vehicle was stationary, and you just probably came out at the right angle. Maybe.
Geoff 15:17
Yeah.
Georgie 15:17
You’d see up her skirt.
Geoff 15:19
Um. Exactly.
Georgie 15:21
But like, I’m fully aware when I wear a short skirt, and I sit like even with my legs together at a, at a table or whatever. I know no one’s looking under the table. But if that table wasn’t there, I might have to like, put my bag there and my hand there because someone at the right angle could just go look straight up my skirt.
Geoff 15:37
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 15:38
I know that.
Geoff 15:39
But you, you wouldn’t be angry at that person having caught a glance and, like, I guess they wouldn’t come up and tell you they caught a glance, so it gets—
Georgie 15:47
No they wouldn’t, right?
Geoff 15:48
You can’t be angry at them. But, but yeah, like, it’s gonna happen. And I don’t know, being angry about it seems a bit strange.
Georgie 15:59
Also, just free the nipple.
Geoff 16:01
Yeah, free the nipple. I mean, wasn’t that like, is there a day for that, like International Free The Nipple Day?
Georgie 16:08
I don’t know. Could be. I don’t know what it—
Geoff 16:10
Is it International Women’s Day?
Georgie 16:12
Not, no, I don’t think it’s—
Geoff 16:14
Jokes. Is it March 26 2023. Free The Nipple Day highlights the unjust treatment of... Yeah, like Instagram, right? Like, everybody’s done this whole experiment where they put like, they took pictures of male nipples. And they put them—
Georgie 16:28
I haven’t yet.
Geoff 16:29
They put them on top of women’s breasts. And—
Georgie 16:32
And yeah how does Instagram—
Geoff 16:33
They get taken down.
Georgie 16:34
What the fuck, that’s actually fucked.
Geoff 16:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah see. Let’s try find it.
Georgie 16:38
That’s sexist. That is sexist.
Geoff 16:41
Covering of female nipples... gonna be—
Georgie 16:47
Moderation. Maybe you go moderation, Instagram. Just like, my safe search is on...
Geoff 16:54
Instagram. Yeah, well, Instagram ever free the nipple. 11 ways to personals on Instagram without getting—
Georgie 17:02
I mean, some people just like blur out the nipple part.
Geoff 17:05
Yeah. It’s, it’s pretty crazy. Look, the, I think because I went into the whole, yeah, I can’t quite find the experiment. But I went through this phase, not really a phase. But this time where I thought building a social network was going to be a good idea. And I looked through all of the terms and conditions. Because well, I wanted to make one. So I tried to read up on people’s terms and conditions because I have to have one. And it like turns out that a blanket ban is, is better than trying to make the system better. And I’m saying like, we shouldn’t sexualise females nipples. And that’s that’s like a great statement to have. But then you get to the nitty gritty where it’s sort of like, how do you tell something is not like child, child porn? Right?
Georgie 18:10
Oh, yeah. You did talk about this, hey?
Geoff 18:12
Yes, really all about how the hell do you detect child porn and just blanket banning female nipples means that child porn doesn’t get through. And that’s like the lesser of the two evils.
Georgie 18:30
There was an interesting story related to this where I think it was it was related to Google. So it was during COVID and a family, they, they were checking in with a doctor for their son. Their like, kid, their son’s like like a kid, underage. And the doctor said, send me a photo of like, what’s wrong, I think he had like a rash around his genitals. And then he said, send a photo. And because it was a doctor, they were fine with sending the doctor a picture. And then so the doctor could diagnose and everything’s fine. And then all of a sudden, the dad’s all of his he couldn’t access his email, and like his photos, and everything just got blocked.
Geoff 19:13
Shit.
Georgie 19:13
And it turns out that Google had flagged that photo as child porn. And like, Google’s not like involved right but now he can’t get any of his stuff back because they’ve they think that what was taken for medical reasons was was not.
Geoff 19:32
Yeah.
Georgie 19:32
And the problem, I guess. The other weird thing is that is someone actually had to look at that picture and be like, that’s not appropriate. Let’s shut down this person’s account.
Geoff 19:43
That’s crazy.
Georgie 19:43
And that is kind of the weird thing.
Geoff 19:45
On one? Like, like if it’s just a one time I feel like that’s—
Georgie 19:50
Oh yeah, I think the police, what happened was, I forgot to mention the police, actually like knocked on, on the door—
Geoff 19:55
Holy crap.
Georgie 19:56
On the family’s door and was like...
Geoff 19:58
Yeah, but I always thought but it needed to be like fairly repetitive with like premeditative premeditated behaviour and stuff like that. And like, storing terabytes and terabytes of it before—
Georgie 20:10
Maybe the person moderating can’t tell? I don’t know.
Geoff 20:12
Yeah, it’s kind of strange. But it kind of reminds me of this weird. I think it’s a law that I came across this well, where it’s like let’s say you are a teenager, or even less than that, you’re like, under age 13, yeah, 13, 14 or whatever you can technically, like—oh, I think it was someone who actually got fined for owning child pornography of themselves, because they are now 27 years old, and they had a picture of themselves as like a 12 year old or something like that. And I think there is some kind of age gap where it’s sort of like, if you’re 17, and you have a naked photo of your girlfriend or partner or whatever, at 14, that’s like, okay, but if you still have that—
Georgie 21:06
What!
Geoff 21:06
Yeah, if you still have that photo, when you’re 21, and you still have the photo, it’s considered porn. It turns into child pornography.
Georgie 21:17
But how can it be legal when you’re—is it because they’re your partner?
Geoff 21:21
No, it’s because of the age gap is like is okay. I don’t know.
Georgie 21:25
Oh so it’s the age gap, it’s not actually the—
Geoff 21:28
Yeah, it’s like, it’s okay. If like, you’re a 17 year old, and you you got, you have a picture of a 14 year old. And then like—
Georgie 21:38
But then when you get older, if you and they’re still under age, and you’re still together, but you have a naked picture of—
Geoff 21:45
No, no, as in, like, if you still have the naked photo, and you’re 17, then that photo is, and you’re, and then you’re like 21, and you have a pic of the 14 year old. It’s like—
Georgie 21:56
Okay, well, what if you’re 21?
Geoff 21:58
Yeah. And you obtain the photo?
Georgie 22:01
No, no. And your 14 year old girlfriend is now what? 18?
Geoff 22:05
Yeah.
Georgie 22:06
Alright, let’s say we’re in the US and 18 is underage or whatever.
Geoff 22:09
Yeah.
Georgie 22:10
What if you have, what if you, as a 21 year old, have a photo of your naked girlfriend? And she’s 18. And she’s underage? Are you—
Geoff 22:17
No, it’d be fine.
Georgie 22:18
Is that—pornography?
Geoff 22:20
It’s not child pornography. I think. (laughs) You know what it’s like...
Georgie 22:26
But is that, wait isn’t the age of adult, 21—
Geoff 22:29
No, no, no. It’s—
Georgie 22:31
That’s the drinking age.
Geoff 22:32
That 21 is the drinking age and adults are 16. And above, I think adults are 16 above or 18, whatever it is.
Georgie 22:40
OK what if you are in a consensual relationship with someone and you’re an adult and they’re child and you have naked photos of them?
Geoff 22:46
That doesn’t, that doesn’t matter about consensual or non consensual? I think.
Georgie 22:49
So if they’re underage—
Geoff 22:50
Literally you own the child porn.
Georgie 22:51
You own ch—OK.
Geoff 22:52
You own child porn if you’re 12. Right. But the key here is that it’s not I think considered child porn if you’re, if you were 15, and you, and you’re dating a 14 year old. Or no, you’re 13, 13 year old and 12 year old, right? Get a photo of your, of your partner at 12 year—
Georgie 23:10
Who’s doing this, but OK.
Geoff 23:13
Hey—
Georgie 23:13
No judgment.
Geoff 23:13
People reach maturity at different ages. And then and then if you kept that photo from when you were 13 and 12.
Georgie 23:20
Yeah.
Geoff 23:20
And you’re you’re now 21 and you find the photo that you have of your 12 year old girlfriend—
Georgie 23:25
You could get put in jail—
Geoff 23:26
Child porn. But not when you were 13, 13 and 12. That was like kind of okay.
Georgie 23:32
Why is that okay, though, that’s the part that I’m just baffled by—
Geoff 23:34
You mean photo when you’re 13? I don’t know.
Georgie 23:37
Yeah.
Geoff 23:38
I mean—
Georgie 23:39
Like—
Geoff 23:39
Everyone’s taking photos of themselves nowadays. You can’t stop, stop this shit.
Georgie 23:43
But. But my point is like, if you’re, if you’re under age, and you take photos of yourself... (laughs) Wait, hang on, is that—wait, yeah, what, yes!
Geoff 23:50
(laughs) I think that was the weird thing right, it’s you took they took a photo of themselves and they kept the photo and then it turned, because it’s even though it was of themselves. It was, it was considered top pornography, or, or a holding of child—anyways, I don’t want to search the article.
Georgie 24:10
Nah, nah that’s fair enough.
Geoff 24:11
But I’m pretty sure that was a weird case where someone got got in trouble for having a photo of themselves as a kid naked for some reason. And um—
Georgie 24:23
Does that—
Geoff 24:23
Yeah.
Georgie 24:23
Man. Can you imagine.... Okay, let’s just like flesh this out a little bit. Can you imagine if you had to, like prove that somehow, be like that’s me.
Geoff 24:31
Oh, yeah true.
Georgie 24:32
Like and, like because I don’t think it’s fair that you should be like prosecuted for owning a naked photo of yourself.
Geoff 24:39
Yeah, let’s, let’s, let’s try look it up.
Georgie 24:42
Like...
Geoff 24:47
But it’s kind of like I don’t know children’s photos, right? You take photos of your children and they’re—
Georgie 24:51
Yeah—
Geoff 24:51
They’re all, they’re always like butt naked. There’s nothing sexual about it and then all of a sudden, um...
Georgie 24:58
So like if my parents have pictures of me as a baby and I’m like wearing nothing.
Geoff 25:05
Yeah.
Georgie 25:05
Can they be prosecuted?
Geoff 25:08
No, I mean, what’s constitution, constituted as... I don’t know. Naked—
Georgie 25:17
Is it illegal to send a naked—
Geoff 25:18
“Sending a naked selfie can be a criminal offence. It’s illegal to send a naked photo of yourself”. Okay, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna look further than this. But yeah, it’s weird. I think the, I think—
Georgie 25:29
Okay, I feel like—
Geoff 25:29
They do weird laws to try and prevent child pornography.
Georgie 25:34
But then there’s weird—
Geoff 25:35
But then
Georgie 25:35
Situations.
Geoff 25:35
Weird situations where people fall into big gaps.
Georgie 25:38
Imagine, imagine being like, yeah, that’s totally my body. I took that photo of myself when I was 15. And I’m naked. And it’s like, how do you prove that that is your body?
Geoff 25:47
Yeah.
Georgie 25:49
Like. Geez. Damn.
Geoff 25:52
Western Australia’s intimate image laws. So apparently, there’s an images of children and young people online. There’s, it’s a resource. So this is all for science. I don’t know. I think, the thing is like you’re consenting of yourself for owning the photo, but like, you’re right. How do you prove that it’s a photo of yourself and that you’re not just holding a, another person’s child’s photo naked, photo? In any case, that whole world is very—
Georgie 26:24
Well, if it was if it was, like if you had the face in it, and it was you.
Geoff 26:29
Yeah.
Georgie 26:30
I’m pretty sure that they could be like, okay, that’s you, it looks like you.
Geoff 26:35
Yeah.
Georgie 26:36
Like, we’ve, we can see other photos of you at that time. And that is your pre pubescent body or whatever. But then if it wasn’t then I don’t know. You’d have to go with like, What, is there stuff in the background that you own, or whatever, or if you have like visible birthmarks, but that’s still just like, kind of messed up that that can be illegal?
Geoff 26:56
See, see? Yeah, I think maybe distribution is the key word. If you start distributing your own naked photo.
Georgie 27:03
(laughs) Hey Geoff, this is me when I was 14!
Geoff 27:06
It’s like, I’m selling it to people for $10, is a bit... Now that’s a bit strange, best practice guideline for taking photos of children. Okay, so they kind of allow it. “Obtain permission from parent or guardian, clearly outlined the purpose of using the image, how it’s going to be used, how long, inform parents, make sure professional photographers are aware images will be, will remain in the property, do not allow photographers unsupervised individual access to children”. Why don’t they have a working with children check. Um. Have you have you ever gotten one?
Georgie 27:41
Um, the funny thing is I worked at Kumon.
Geoff 27:45
Oh yeah.
Georgie 27:45
But it was so casual, but I don’t, I didn’t, I didn’t need to.
Geoff 27:48
That should need one.
Georgie 27:50
It should do these days. Yeah. That was back in like what 20, 2007 or something?
Geoff 27:56
Yeah. When I worked for the church. Apparently I needed a working with children’s check. So got one at that time.
Georgie 28:03
Wait, what did you do at the church?
Geoff 28:05
Oh I built, I managed their website. The youth ministry needed a website. So I managed that website. So funny because I went in, I went in and to the interview. I think there were like three other people at the end of this longish table. And I just did a I did a slideshow for some reason. I don’t know why I did a slideshow for my interview. But—
Georgie 28:32
That is random.
Geoff 28:33
Yeah, I guess it was for my work, like my portfolio. So I just wanted to flick the, my portfolio up on the on the on the projector and talk through some of the things I can do. And this is like years later, but apparently, apparently, the the person who hired me, they were like, “he sounded like he knew what he was doing”. And she hired me. And I’m like, well, I guess that’s a plus one for just talking the talk, I guess.
Georgie 29:02
(laughs)
Geoff 29:04
But they they hired a graphic designer. And they they were definitely not like a like a website designer at all. I like, come across so many people who are, “I’m a graphic designer, I can do websites”. I’m like—
Georgie 29:18
But it’s not websites—
Geoff 29:19
Not the same.
Georgie 29:20
It’s just graphic.
Geoff 29:21
Yeah.
Georgie 29:22
Like—
Geoff 29:22
You can make a poster, uhm give you that, but not not a website.
Georgie 29:28
Yeah.
Geoff 29:29
So yeah.
Georgie 29:30
Ooh, do not display information about children’s hobbies likes or dislikes, school, etc. because these can be used as grooming tools for paedophiles.
Geoff 29:37
Oh grooming tools... oh. So...
Georgie 29:39
(sigh)
Geoff 29:40
We have to talk about Leonardo DiCaprio now.
Georgie 29:43
I don’t know the context. But go on.
Geoff 29:45
So um, was it Leo or was Zach Braff? Right? I think it’s Zach Braff. Yeah.
Georgie 29:52
Is it the Scrubs, guy who played him?
Geoff 29:53
The Scrubs guy. Yeah. So this guy, his partner is, oh what, he knew his partner whilst she was underage and waited for her to become of age of age, the consenting adult age to then become a couple. And that—
Georgie 30:13
So to ask her out, you mean?
Geoff 30:15
Yeah, yeah. So they’re like—
Georgie 30:17
And he admitted that? He admitted that he waited for her, like?
Geoff 30:23
Zach Braff, waits, waits for girlfriend to come of age. Anyways, I think it was one of his previous ones. Ooh, yeah. Spicy. Anyways. So he’s 44 and his girlfriend’s 23. 20 year age gap.
Georgie 30:42
Oh.
Geoff 30:43
But I think it’s like, I don’t know, celebrity, celebrities and their age gaps. But the concerning part is that some of these celebrities are like, they’ve, they met their card partner when they were underage. And then they came out as partners when they’re of age. And that’s the that’s the part where everyone’s like, are they grooming? Like, is it technically grooming?
Georgie 31:12
I don’t know. Like, it’s hard to say because I don’t know what goes on, behind the scenes. Sorry, excuse the pun.
Geoff 31:20
Yeah, cuz—
Georgie 31:22
Like, how can you prove that they waited?
Geoff 31:25
Yeah. That’s true.
Georgie 31:26
That’s just weird.
Geoff 31:28
Celebrity... I mean, I’m gonna put celebrity grooming but I’m going to say that this is probably going to come up with celebrities who are groomed.
Georgie 31:34
Makeup.
Geoff 31:36
Grooming tips, yeah, there you go, hair. But yeah, oh, “We need to stop excusing child grooming in Hollywood”. Here we go. It’s almost 2019, needs to stop, this. Unfortunately, yada yada yada. “Oh, yeah. See, Elvis Presley met Priscilla in 1959 when he was 25 years old, and she was only 14. Steven Tyler purchased the guardianship of Julia Holcomb from her mother when she was only 16 so that he could take her across state lines in his tour”. Oh my god. What? Celine Dion was only 12 when Renee Angeli became her manager. She was 19 when they went public with their relationship. Oooh.
Georgie 32:22
Right.
Geoff 32:23
Yeah. So this is all very normalised. “43 year old Leonardo DiCaprio has been dating 21 year old model Camilla Morrone since December 2017. First met her when she was 12”. Which would have made DiCaprio 34. This stuff is so bad.
Georgie 32:45
I don’t know. But you’re right. Like I think it is kind of like a Hollywood thing. That the age gaps are like, whatever.
Geoff 32:52
Yeah, but I think like it’s just, I mean, we can’t prove that they’re technically grooming because it’s all just like, they met at that time. Of course, they probably met their Hollywood stars?
Georgie 33:05
But yeah, did they do they keep in touch or whatever? You know, like, isn’t, isn’t grooming something that’s supposed to kind of happen over a period of time?
Geoff 33:17
12, 12, 12 to 21?
Georgie 33:19
I know but but that’s when they first met and like you said, I don’t know what happened in between, you know, like, them announcing that they were together.
I know but but that’s when they first met and like you said, I don’t know what happened in between, you know, like, them announcing that they were together. Like.
Geoff 33:30
Yeah, I think this one here is like a little bit more. Drake announced that he’s dating 18 year old model Bella Harris. The pair met in 2016. She recently graduated. So just recently Stranger Things Millie Bobbie Brown, who is 14 said that she and Drake text each other frequently—
Georgie 33:44
Oh my god.
Geoff 33:44
And that he gives her advice on dating and relationships. She said that he loves him and that he’s a great friend and role model.
Georgie 33:50
You know the sick thing about Millie Bobby Brown. I think she recently turned 18 As soon as she turned 18 like all of these people on the internet just started sexualising her, it was so fucked.
Geoff 34:03
Fuck that. Like, it’s so—
Georgie 34:06
I think someone, I think they did this with Billie Eilish as well or something.
Geoff 34:08
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Georgie 34:09
They criticised her as well because she decided to change her style, which is totally like, her call.
Geoff 34:14
Yeah. On a lighter note, I guess. I think people hated... what’s her name? The one with that sing songs and her albums are of her age.
Georgie 34:28
Adele?
Geoff 34:29
I think people hated on Adele, because she got she got slimmer. But she just started eating healthier.
Georgie 34:33
Yeah.
Geoff 34:34
I think we’ve talked about it.
Georgie 34:35
We’ve talked about this too. Yeah, like it just because like we should stop saying that losing weight is is associated with a good thing. And then there were people who had you said that they had attached themselves to Adele when she was bigger as, as their idol and things like that. They’re like, oh my god, you changed, and all this shit. It’s like, oh my, like, I don’t like you anymore. (sigh)
Geoff 34:58
A reflection on, on perhaps the the people who refuse to do anything about their like maybe unhealthy weight. And then getting angry at it.
Georgie 35:11
It’s just very, it’s very self centered I think, for you to be upset at a famous person for choosing what they want to do in life basically.
Geoff 35:21
Exactly.
Georgie 35:22
And who are you to, just like, what, you don’t respect her as a as a person just generally and you’re just offended?
Geoff 35:28
Yeah.
Georgie 35:29
That she changed. Yo,
Geoff 35:31
I saw this. I saw this article or reel or something about this person who was on Reddit. Yeah. So this this this mum was preparing a room for her child’s like sleepover party. And the theme is Japanese like, like Tokyo alley street streets, Tokyo alleys, don’t ask me why a kid wants a Tokyo alley as their—
Georgie 36:00
Is definitely the kid or did the parent want that>
Geoff 36:03
Yeah. So so it’s basically a Reel, or a TikTok about like the mother cutting up loads of cardboard making like, like this really rustic looking alleyway, all the shop fronts are really accurate, the shingles, shingles, she put the sign, she made neon signs, lights and everything. Comments section, the worst place I’ve ever seen people were actually putting her down. Like, for all the effort, because I—
Georgie 36:35
What!
Geoff 36:36
I didn’t see the exact comments. But one of the people one of the top comments was like, they they basically said they cannot believe how, like, how mean people are to this person. And a reply was essentially pointing out to the fact that people on this specific Reddit, which is I think it was “too unreal”, or it was like, un like, “unreal awesome”, or something like that. He, they were pointing out, which is interesting that people don’t like to see people like them succeed in something that they they feel like they could do if they had the time, quote unquote, had the time.
Georgie 37:22
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 37:23
So basically, I think they’re saying like, they want enough—
Georgie 37:27
Jealousy.
Geoff 37:27
...excuses for themselves not to be able to do so like something like this for their kid. So they basically said that that woman has, probably has no job, is probably rich, probably has a nanny, you know, all of these random, or not random, but all these excuses to make that reality out of reach for themselves and to make themselves feel better, essentially, for not, doing the same thing.
Georgie 37:53
That is, that is totally a thing. That’s totally a thing. But on like on the other side, I think there are actually some people who are like that, who do do that, who show off those things. And that leaves other people who don’t have the time and they don’t have a nanny and who are less fortunate to speak up and say, there are some people—
Geoff 38:14
Oh yeah.
Georgie 38:15
Who who are like putting us down. Like I’m a tired mum. And like, you know, I got to deal with diapers all the time. You know, my husband has like, maybe a condition or like that, you know, can’t help me out.
Geoff 38:26
Here you are shoving it into my face.
Georgie 38:28
Yeah.
Geoff 38:28
You’re raising the bar for mums.
Georgie 38:31
Yeah, it’s a complex, it’s a complex thing. But just the fact that people just judge people in the comment section based on the fucking video is like, it’s unbelievable. I saw one recently where it was like a wedding, like a bridal gown shop, sharing some information about like sizing, because wedding dress sizing is is is different. Like it’s, it’s, I think it’s like it hasn’t changed over time. There’s no vanity sizing. So you might be surprised if you’re trying on a dress. And they got this woman in the video. And she’s trying on a dress. And she has a few tattoos and like red hair. Someone in the fucking comments goes, “you should lose the tattoos” or something like that. It was just like, “you would look better without tattoos”. I’m like, what the fuck is your problem?
Geoff 39:19
Yeah.
Georgie 39:19
And I actually replied to them and then I think they deleted their account because, I don’t know but people keep liking my comment and I can’t find it. But I keep getting the notifiation message. “Mate, this is not the place for you to judge people’s bodies and how they look”.
Geoff 39:33
Yeah.
Georgie 39:34
Like, if you don’t like it, fucking scroll away. That was not the point of this video.
Geoff 39:39
I need to probably just stop reading comments sections of Reddit.
Georgie 39:43
It’s so, yeah.
Geoff 39:44
And Instagram.
Georgie 39:45
It’s hectic.
Geoff 39:46
Ridiclous. It’s um—
Georgie 39:48
So much shit in there.
Geoff 39:49
Yeah. There there was okay, so Kpop star was just sitting there modelling for a shoot and the stylist comes along and like, zhuzes and how stylists do, they zhuz, and then yeah, and then they they went for the shorts like the the Kpop star was wearing shorts and they pulled, they pulled the shorts, like a little bit further forward. And then and the Kpop star kind of went from kind of like a, I don’t know, a relatively neutral face or like neutral smiley face that they, because they’re modelling to like a be a wide grin and look to the left. Now the comments section, holy shit. They took, they were like, this is this is not okay. She, she is clearly uncomfortable with this. And everyone’s like, it’s a stylist, stylists are supposed to be doing this. They get done this all the time.
Georgie 40:44
They do this fussy stuff.
Geoff 40:45
Yeah, they get fussed over all the time. Would you prefer that the shorts weren’t adjusted perfectly? Or would you, I’m like, oh my god, and—
Georgie 40:54
(laughs)
Geoff 40:54
Someone was—
Georgie 40:54
Fuck.
Geoff 40:55
Someone, someone who did a pretty innocuous thing. They were like, stylists shouldn’t do this, shouldn’t do this all the time, because some Kpop stars would be, or some models would be uncomfortable with this, right? That’s all they said. Oh my god, the replies, they were like, how do you know what the Kpop stars want? You don’t know shit?
Georgie 41:17
Yeah, there’s always that person who’s just—and it’s like, the original person’s original comment was not even really it was just like—
Geoff 41:25
Yeah, be aware that this is not uncomfortable for some people.
Georgie 41:29
Yeah, like, that’s it. I saw another one recently, it was of an 80, 80 year old woman doing a deadlift. She was like, really strong.
Geoff 41:38
Holy shit.
Georgie 41:39
It was like 300 pounds, I don’t know, I think was like 100 basically 100-and-something kilos doesn’t matter. But the the text on the video said 80 year old woman lifts like 300 pounds. Person in the comments is like, “that’s not 300 pounds”. And that—this is what it’s like, right? For them to not believe it was 300 pounds. They’re looking at the bar, they’re looking at the video, and what the plates are that are loaded on the barbell.
Geoff 42:02
Yeah.
Georgie 42:02
And they’re looking at what they say like 25 kilos, 20 kilos, whatever, and then adding up, going, that’s not 300 pounds or whatever. That’s just like, are you fucking serious? And then someone’s replying and said, saying that, it’s in kilograms not pounds. So you know, this is the calculation and it is correct. And someone was like, man, you have some nerve to like, comment on this video. Like, you’re probably not even as strong as this—but that’s, when they pull out those ones, they’re like, you’re probably not as, like, whatever this person.
Geoff 42:29
“Yeah, you’re probably some neckbeard fat ass in their mum’s basement” is always like, the closest thing to like, putting someone down. It’s like, hey, you can’t do any of this shit in the video. So fuck off. Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of it’s kind of hilarious and sad. But back to like, the on the unrealism is like, I feel like we’re probably like, like they’ve thrown, a lot of stuff that is fake. To, to most, in most cases, right? You see people you know, taking photos in jets, that’s all cardboard or whatever, or is that they don’t own the jet. They’re like standing in front of a Lamborghini, that’s not theirs. It’s like, it’s just all fake. So when someone comes up with something real, I think everyone’s geared towards thinking that it’s all it’s all just fake. And there’s so much touching up in in like the photos as well. So I think everyone’s just geared because they’re like, oh, yeah, that’s just all fake. And I got to point out, it’s all fake all the time. But yeah, kilograms to pounds is just crazy.
Georgie 43:39
Another one I saw that was quite funny was, it was supposed to be a joke, but it’s just like “when my boyfriend and I have an argument” and what she was doing, and what the video or picture showed was she had her phone out and she was recording a video of her laptop, and on the laptop was a video playing of like someone in a in a club like the lights, this, and she was recording that, to make her boyfriend annoyed. And like I don’t know why but like she was like putting her hand in front of the of the phone a little bit to sort of put a hand there and all these people in the comments were saying like, oh my gosh, she shouldn’t put a hand there because it doesn’t have the same lighting as the thing. They’re getting very technical and critical and people are like, oh my god, it’s just a joke.
Geoff 44:25
Actually on that, there was one that was that was pretty, pretty spicy, where there’s a shot of, the title is literally “how I flirt with my wife now”, like now, and he’s like putting put, he’s replacing like the the garbage bag like the bag in the bin. And then it cuts it cuts to the girlfriend going like that, like raising her eyebrows. And then he’s like, he’s doing some other chore I can’t remember like, I don’t know cleaning up, cleaning the dishes and she’s just like, puts her glasses down like she’s checking them out, doing the dishes. And then he’s like fluffing your pillow. And then he like does the karate chop? I didn’t know this was a thing. But do you know people karate chop the tops of pillars to make this V shape?
Georgie 45:10
For what though?
Geoff 45:10
I don’t know why, but it’s apparently. I don’t know.
Georgie 45:14
But why, though? Still?
Geoff 45:15
I don’t know. Apparently people do this to use their pillows. And then she jumped his bones. And the comment section was like, this is not acts of service. This is just like doing regular chores. You shouldn’t be given a cookie every time you have to do a chore. And it’s like—
Georgie 45:32
Oh, I’ve seen one that was similar. Yeah, it was just like, oh, like men—
Geoff 45:36
Calm down. It’s a joke. But on the other side, I kind of get that this stuff is actually real, like people are given cookies for doing the bare minimum, and it’s a problem.
Georgie 45:47
(snorts)
Geoff 45:49
But no one gets the nuance. So I don’t know. It’s hard.
Georgie 45:53
Always gonna find—
Geoff 45:54
The internet.
Georgie 45:54
Like. Yeah, well, always gonna find people in the comments just in disagreement, or like bringing up their BS.
Geoff 46:01
Yeah. At the end of the day. It’s the internet. It’s only a very, very small percentage of people that are yelling, and you realise that no one gives a shit at all outside of the internet. As it turns out, whenever I explain some of this stuff to my partner, who is not on any of this kind of stuff. They’re like, these people are weird. Like, yeah, yeah. Anyways, um, you know what else is weird? The ending of this podcast.
Georgie 46:28
Very weird.
Geoff 46:30
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Georgie 46:35
And you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts and the big comment section. Put a time limit on the time you spend in there.
Geoff 46:45
Yeah, for your own mental health. So, and we have new episodes every Monday. So see you next week.
Georgie 46:53
Bye.