Gen Z is going to change the way we work... once they figure out what they want to study in university. Meanwhile, the millennials are amused that they don’t know what a fax machine is.
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Gen Z is going to change the way we work... once they figure out what they want to study in university. Meanwhile, the millennials are amused that they don’t know what a fax machine is.
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Geoff:
Georgie 0:08
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I’m your co host Georgie and I’m here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:16
Hello. Hello. It’s been a while. It’s been a whole week.
Georgie 0:20
It’s been like a whole-ass week. You know what I find funny is the, is it? Is it a Gen Z thing? Or is it a young people thing to say ass? After a—
Geoff 0:30
Like “long ass”?
Georgie 0:31
Whole ass?
Geoff 0:32
Whole ass.
Georgie 0:32
Whole ass week? Dead ass?
Geoff 0:35
I don’t know.
Georgie 0:35
The, the dead ass one.
Geoff 0:37
Are we Gen Y? No, we’re M. We’re millennials.
Georgie 0:40
We’re millennials.
Geoff 0:40
I’m pretty sure I used to say it like “this big ass bowl of noodles” or something like that.
Georgie 0:47
I feel like people who are in their early 20s say it more frequently.
Geoff 0:53
Oh, really? I don’t talk to people in their early 20s.
Georgie 0:56
Ah, a whole bunch of people. This is quite interesting actually. Talking about relating to people who are either much younger or much older than you. And by much I mean, like, let’s say, five to 10 years in either direct—
Geoff 1:11
Oh, interesting. So—
Georgie 1:13
So like, yeah, in my family, like I’m of my cousins I remember, even though we only went to like Indonesia, every few years or so. I always hung out with quote unquote, the kids like the ones who are a lot younger than me.
Geoff 1:29
Because the kids table, you always get put in the kids table, regardless of how old you are.
Georgie 1:34
But my cousins were either like five or—I may be exaggerating, by the way. But they were either a lot older or a lot younger than me. And around the time I was like, understanding family because I didn’t grow up with them, like close to home.
Geoff 1:53
Yeah.
Georgie 1:53
I couldn’t quite relate to the ones older than me. I just felt like hey, I’m still like a pre pubescent like, 12, 13 year old I don’t get this stuff—
Geoff 2:01
Do you want to relate to the people older than you?
Georgie 2:05
Well see. It’s just it’s fundamentally different for me now, but I feel like maybe because I just like, I’m a bit childish. Sometimes I just tend to relate to people who are younger than me.
Geoff 2:18
Yeah, I guess like, for one, people who are number older than you does doesn’t mean their mental age is older. So like, as my frequent frequently mentioned, friend on this podcast is—
Georgie 2:35
Are they listening?
Geoff 2:36
Yeah, they’re listening. So what are they, like eight years older than me? So my sister is about eight, my sister is about eight years older than me as well. So in my family, we have like, the eldest? I don’t know, I don’t want to tell them their age. I guess don’t want to dox their age, but my eldest and my second eldest, then there’s me. And then there’s my younger brother. So we actually have a spectrum of like, what’s the youngest to the oldest diff, two year difference? Like 12 years or something like that?
Georgie 3:07
Yeah.
Geoff 3:07
It’s a 12 year difference between the oldest and youngest. So I lived with and talk to someone who is who is significantly older and, well, significantly in your terms, five to 10 years. And the and I met people that work who are about yeah, 5, 10, which I’m still friends with. But they don’t talk about all the boring stuff. Well, actually, nowadays we kind of do, you know.
Georgie 3:32
(laughs) What’s that supposed to mean?
Geoff 3:34
I mean, like, when when I finally when I finally went reached sort of late, late 20s, to the 30s. Now our conversations have caught up to I guess, their their age, their age at the late, late 30s or whatever.
Georgie 3:53
Well how would you say that—
Geoff 3:54
Without doxxing his age.
Georgie 3:56
...living with living with older like siblings? Do you think that sort of had an influence on like, things you were interested in? Maybe?
Geoff 4:06
Yes. I mean, I have two older sisters. So most of my, most of my childhood was growing up watching stuff, like, I don’t know, that there’s My Little Pony in there somewhere. There’s Saddle Club. And, you know—
Georgie 4:23
I thought that was our generation though.
Geoff 4:27
Yeah, but the thing is, they were watching it. Like they were watching it as I was a kid who was eight years younger than them.
Georgie 4:34
Right? And so they were like, in their teens or whatever.
Geoff 4:37
Yeah.
Georgie 4:38
Like totally understanding what was going on. And you’re just like, “horsies!”
Geoff 4:43
Gilmore Girls.
Georgie 4:45
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Geoff 4:46
That kind of stuff. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, you know, the the classic Xena Warrior Princess and not saying that they’re typical girls and that they only watched girl stuff but yes.
Georgie 4:55
But those shows are also, some people would call them millennial. Like, but for older millennials because the the whatever the range for millennials, I know just, like take it with a grain of salt type thing. But it’s from like 1980 to like 1995.
Geoff 5:12
Yeah, so that’s like my sister.
Georgie 5:14
And that’s like, yeah.
Geoff 5:15
Yeah, my sister would be be exact age at which she could probably start understanding the shows and therefore watching them.
Georgie 5:24
But it’s funny like the difference between—I don’t want to dox anybody either—but I know it’s like I have two people close to me, one who was like, born at the beginning, who is an older millennial, was born in like 1981. And then I someone else close to me, it was literally born in 95. And just, there are differences. But there are some similarities, what they might know, like growing up, but they would have been different ages growing up. And so they might have had a different understanding of it?
Geoff 5:53
My, my cousins are significantly younger. We’re talking like maybe 10 year difference younger. Ten? Hoh, let’s let’s go with further. Let’s go more like 10, 12, 12 to 15.
Georgie 6:07
So you remember them being born essentially.
Geoff 6:09
Exactly.
Georgie 6:09
Like you were like, oh, yeah, I remember when they were little little.
Geoff 6:12
Yeah, yeah, I was. Basically I remember when they were little shits. So the thing with them is like, they’re like, going to uni. They’re like choosing their uni and like, like graduating.
Georgie 6:29
Yeah that’s odd.
Geoff 6:29
So it’s kinda like—
Georgie 6:30
To me that’s so odd. Like, you’ll get interns at work.
Geoff 6:34
Yeah.
Georgie 6:35
And, or people who just like in their first year uni. I was like, yeah, that was a really long time ago. For me.
Geoff 6:42
Yeah.
Georgie 6:42
And I literally don’t have to think about this.
Geoff 6:45
I’ve, I’ve also met someone who was just like, who’s, who’s a grad. And then I was like, oh, hey, oh, you’re a grad. That must make you 22 or something. And they’re like, whoa, how did you know my age? Like, well, like you do the math. It’s like four years younger—
Georgie 7:04
I was gonna say, it wasn’t like a mature, mature age student.
Geoff 7:08
No.
Georgie 7:08
Yeah. Okay.
Geoff 7:10
Yeah, I’m like, well, if you left school, your four, they left school at 18, I’m assuming. And now it’s like four years after your degree. Hey, 22. Actually, I saw a really interesting Reel. Or a funny Reel, wouldn’t say interesting. Interesting is funny? Something about Gen Z and Gen Y’s. So this person is a Gen Y is making a comment on Gen Z.
Georgie 7:33
So Y, you, by Y, you mean millennial? As in the one before?
Geoff 7:37
Sorry?
Georgie 7:38
By Gen Y do you mean millennial?
Geoff 7:40
Is that the is that the one before, anyways?
Georgie 7:43
Yeah—
Geoff 7:43
Millennials and Gen Z?
Georgie 7:45
Yeah. Because before Millennial is Gen X.
Geoff 7:48
Oh, before millennial is Gen X. Oh, okay. Anyways, so the title was like “Gen Z-ers going to turn the workplace upside down”.
Georgie 7:55
Oh, yeah. And I’ve seen a lot of shit like, like that champagnecruz guy that I shared before. Like, he does a lot of stuff where you can see the persona of Gen Z in the workplace is so like, progressive. And—
Geoff 8:07
Yeah, so the example here was that the boss, the manager, or whatever asked, asked for 50 sheets of blank white paper. And the the millennial was just like—oh no, so the millennial was saying that the Gen Z went, went, actually went to the printer, and hit 50 sheets, and the printer would print out 50 blank sheets and then gave it to the manager.
Georgie 8:37
Oh.
Geoff 8:38
And the millennial is like, “my millennial ass would have been like, go grab a pack and like count each sheet one by one”.
Georgie 8:47
Yeah.
Geoff 8:48
I should have asked that. I should have asked what you would do. But essentially, that was like the I was like, the whole idea is that Gen Z. Think about things fundamentally different.
Georgie 8:57
Oh man, that reminds me of this, this video that I saw of a mother who was I think an older millennial, asking her Gen Z son about certain terms. So she said, “Do you know what a burned CD is”?
Geoff 9:14
(laughs)
Georgie 9:14
He goes, “a burned CD, like exactly what it is. Like a CD on fire”.
Geoff 9:15
(laughs) Light a CD on fire.
Georgie 9:21
And like she’s laugh, she’s recording his reactions, and you hear her laughing behind the camera and he’s just confused. And another one she asked was a fax machine, and he thought that she said, a “thax” machine. And then she said “no, a fax machine”. And he said, “oh a machine that tells you facts, like interesting facts?”
Geoff 9:42
(laughs)
Georgie 9:42
And then—
Geoff 9:43
Ah, that’s mean.
Georgie 9:44
And then a Walkman. He said, I think he said something like a traffic controller. Someone with the—
Geoff 9:53
Oh yeah.
Georgie 9:54
With the sign. Like the mum is just laughing her ass off behind the camera.
Geoff 10:01
And then you get older right? Then you go vinyl machine and they know exactly what that is like a vinyl record, which has become like—
Georgie 10:07
It’s cyclical man, everything is like, yeah.
Geoff 10:11
Yeah.
Georgie 10:12
I was gonna point out that even though I feel like I get, it seems like I get on well with a lot of younger people, that doesn’t mean that I don’t get along with older people. But the connection I have with people who are much older than me is usually around like pop culture. Because for some reason, like my taste in music is probably more influenced by my parents who listened to—
Geoff 10:35
True.
Georgie 10:35
Music and like yeah, the 60s 70s and 80s and I really liked that music so I think it gives some people the impression that I’m a little bit older than I actually am.
Geoff 10:47
Well, my sister was the one who introduced me to like metal.
Georgie 10:52
Yeah.
Geoff 10:53
Yeah, so it’s kind of like that. But I don’t think my sisters really listened to all the pop bands and stuff like that. So S Club 7s and the Backstreet Boys and like pop groups and stuff like that. And so, my, I listen to all of that. I wouldn’t say that it influenced me further than now I know a lot of lyrics to a lot of, like 90s pop band songs. Like every every now and then. Like, I just like lyics from an S Club 7 songs would just come up into in my head.
Georgie 11:28
Rhe only one I remember, did they do that one that goes “boot scootin baby you’re driving me crazy. No, that’s Steps...
Geoff 11:35
No, that’s—
Georgie 11:36
That’s a different—
Geoff 11:36
Steps.
Georgie 11:37
Yeah, that’s a different group.
Geoff 11:38
Maybe. See I don’t know the names.
Georgie 11:39
That’s the only song I know.
Geoff 11:41
Yeah, so yeah, musics. Music is a bit of a strange one. If you want to know more about my musical influence. I have a Tag Time episode, podcast episode about music influences with Taiyo. But yeah, it is kind of interesting because I can I can kind of get along with the the younger ones. I don’t—
Georgie 12:07
Actually wait—
Geoff 12:07
...don’t understand some of the stuff—
Georgie 12:09
I don’t like the young ones music tastes though.
Geoff 12:11
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 12:12
That is where I’m like, I’m so sorry. But—
Geoff 12:14
Yeah.
Georgie 12:14
Please don’t.
Geoff 12:16
You know, Lizzo is a young one, music, right.
Georgie 12:19
She is so not. Maybe... Okay. I don’t know. Right. But either way I, oh, I’m doing that thing. I was gonna say, I liked her before she was cool.
Geoff 12:29
(laughs)
Georgie 12:29
But I legitimately did.
Geoff 12:31
Did I, did I say—
Georgie 12:34
2019, 2018 even?
Geoff 12:36
Yeah, before pandemic. Did I mention that at the at the Twice concert? Like one of them sang a Lizzo song? Yeah, I did right.
Georgie 12:45
Yeah, you did.
Geoff 12:45
My Juice thing. It was kind of interesting. She, she came up on stage. Everything was decked out in green, and it was very vibrant. It was pretty interesting. I wouldn’t take I wouldn’t have guessed that this solo song would have like, been Lizzo.
Georgie 13:01
I’m actually seeing Lizzo, like next month—oh, next month in a couple of months.
Geoff 13:05
That’s cool. What was the other thing that you were saying about like, yeah, the younger ones. Right. Right. So it’s, it’s funny, because like I said, my cousins are thinking of going to uni, or, no, they’re looking at unis. And—
Georgie 13:23
Wait, you mean none of them are thinking of being influencers?
Geoff 13:27
Oh, I think this one was... try, tried when she was younger, even younger than she is now. But no, I don’t think they’re like looking at influencing as a career. Oh, what was the career that she wants to do? I can’t remember. Anyways, so we’re talking about it. And she’s deciding between going to a university that is closer, but less prestigious than the university that’s a little bit further. Alright, so we have a prestigious one, further, she got she’s got an acceptance offer, a letter, acceptance letter to the prestigious one. And then she’s got an acceptance offer, a letter from the less prestigious one, but let’s let’s be real, universities are all pretty much the same.
Georgie 14:19
Yeah, I don’t think it matters, but I don’t know.
Geoff 14:22
Yeah.
Georgie 14:22
...if it matters more than it did when we went to uni.
Geoff 14:24
Well, here’s the rationale from dear father who, who went to the prestigious one. And the prestigious one kind of starts with quite like the root basics, you know, like the whole, because they’re known for law. And they’re known for all the like hard science and stuff like that, physics and crap. Mainly law. They do the basics up they like, like first principles, like, what is ethics, you know—
Georgie 14:56
Oh, right, that whole thing.
Geoff 14:57
And they’ll teach you exactly they’ll teach you how to think in a certain way that will help you be more? I don’t know, pragmatic.
Georgie 15:07
Yeah, I had one in my Bachelor’s called discourse. I had to learn about discourse.
Geoff 15:13
Then then you get to the you get to like the less prestigious ones. I wouldn’t say less, I can’t I can’t think of another term, but less prestigious, maybe a little bit more like new gen ones, you know—
Georgie 15:24
Progressive maybe?
Geoff 15:25
Progressives, yeah, the progressive ones, that teach you more about the tools, right? They teach you more of more practical stuff, they go, hey, it’s likely that you’re going to come across this scenarios, these kinds of scenarios, and this is how you deal with those scenarios. Whereas was the was the more old school way, it’s kind of like, we’re going to set you up with really good foundations so that you can take any scenario like it doesn’t even matter, you apply you apply your knowledge wherever you want, where you can. So the idea here is that it’s harder to get into the prestigious one. But the one the reason that they want to go for the less prestigious one, or the new school one, it’s it’s, it’s just too, just too far away to get to the prestigious one. They just don’t want to take two buses.
Georgie 16:17
Is it—oh.
Not like three, because like when I went to uni, people would come in three hours on the train.
Geoff 16:18
And like—
Exactly.
Georgie 16:24
Like rural.
Geoff 16:25
Right. I took two buses to get to my—I took a train and a bus to get to my uni. And then and also like, it’s, it’s closer to my friends. And my and they’re really, really into their church and their friends so that they want to be closer to the church and friends. And I’m like, I don’t know if that’s a good way to judge whether or not the rest of your life’s education, like the education that’s going to set you up for the rest of your life is is like predicated on—
Georgie 16:57
I think it kind of matters, I mean, I get it because like at that age, I was thinking the same things. Luckily for me, the—
Geoff 17:05
It’s a young person thing, then not even a Gen Z.
Georgie 17:07
I think it’s I think it’s probably just the way you think, all right, it’s it, I think this might be explored in some American Hollywood films, like coming of age films, where people want to go to the same like university as their boyfriend or their girlfriend or their partner at the time, even if they don’t think they’re gonna marry them or whatever.
Geoff 17:28
Yeah, it’s like, if we don’t, if we don’t go together, then we’ll never know if we’re gonna be together. (laughs)
Georgie 17:36
Yeah, that exactly that. I went to the same university as my ex, but my friend who’s been my friend since, like, we were both 11, she ended up going to a different one. And I remember feeling a little bit bummed. But she ultimately chose the degree that she wanted to do. And I was like, that is, you know, totally fair enough. Because even in school, she chose different, like, elective subjects to me, that we didn’t, like, our only thing was like, just fingers crossed, we’re in the same like, English or math class or whatever. Or it’s like, I’ll see you in PE, it’s just like the only time—or sport or some crap. But yeah, I don’t know, it’s, I think, I guess teenagers usually have a tough time making those decisions. Because you’re asked to make these decisions at such a young age before you even really know what you want.
Geoff 18:32
Yeah, I mean, it’s even earlier than that, right? When you get to, when you’re like, fifteen?
Georgie 18:40
Start picking stuff.
Geoff 18:42
You start picking your subjects, you start having to worry about the scores that you get, so that you get into—
Georgie 18:47
Ugh don’t get me started.
Geoff 18:48
...a university, right? And then you’re gonna be like, Well, I’m pretty sure there’s a statistic somewhere out there that says, like, I don’t know, a high percentage of people are not in the same in the same—
Georgie 19:03
Yeah.
Geoff 19:04
Line of work, your occupation as their degree. And it’s like, you tell that to a young person. And you know, there’s two, there’s two, there’s two ways about it, there’s, there’s those ones who are like freaking the hell out about this, this, this decision, but they’re just trying to make the best decision. So they’re just getting, to try and get the highest marks to get the most opportunities so that they can, you know, make, make a good choice. And then there’s those people who actually have no idea what the what the differences, like and like so what, and, and then you have to kind of go through all the career paths. Because one of them wants to be a journalist. And then, and of course, journalism is a bit of a shitshow at the moment to be to be crass about it. So it It’s kinda like, from, I guess, my perspective, the you know, the older Gen perspective. Journalism means completely different things, writing is you could be a social media writer, like you don’t actually have to be, you can write someone else’s social media tweets. But—
Georgie 20:19
But it helps to have—
Geoff 20:22
Yeah.
Georgie 20:23
To know how to write like, you can’t just be shitty at English. I would say.
Geoff 20:26
Exactly. So even then it’s like really hard, right? You can you just look at the degrees. And you’re just like, journalism, I’m gonna go become a journalist. But in reality, when you pick something up like that, you’re not likely to be in the same occupation. And they don’t know all of the possible jobs that could be for writing. They look at books, like oh, yeah, I could be an author.
Georgie 20:56
You could be a technical writer at a tech startup?
Geoff 20:59
Exactly.
Georgie 20:59
That’s also a thing. Documentation, can work in a library?
Geoff 21:04
Yeah. So I think that the jobs are so wide and varying for for like, specific skill sets, or other, even our skill set, we don’t necessarily, we can we can reapply software engineering, and the problem solving to many other jobs, but we’ve just chosen to apply it to this thing. But at 15, you have no freaking clue how many types of jobs there are that they could possibly do. And then they’re freaking out about basically nothing, because we’re just sitting back going, look, you go through education, you just get something and then you just be able to apply it to whatever,
Georgie 21:43
Well based on that, right. And like, totally don’t take this as advice. I’m not a—
Geoff 21:48
Don’t take advice from us.
Georgie 21:49
...psychologist or anything like that. But based on what you said, then it only makes sense to at least do something that you like, with skills you are interested in learning.
Geoff 21:59
Yeah.
Georgie 21:59
Maybe look at some of the jobs that are possible from that, but know that you might have more options.
Geoff 22:06
Yeah, it’s totally—
Georgie 22:06
It depends entirely on the skills, though, because some are probably really, really specific. Like, you know, I used to want to be a dentist. Right. But I can’t like apply dentistry skills to like building a house. You know.
Geoff 22:19
(laughs)
Georgie 22:21
I cannot apply that, I can’t be an optometrist. Because, you know.
Geoff 22:24
Yeah.
Georgie 22:25
Yeah.
Geoff 22:25
The, yeah, I think education has a long still long way to go to becoming better at doing this. Because career paths, and knowing what, knowing what to learn to get on the career path that you want, is just ridiculously hard. And I don’t think education can keep up anyways.
Georgie 22:46
I’m also tired of people asking me what I had to study to do what I do.
Geoff 22:51
I know so many people who are like come from pharmacy that are in engineering, or like—
Georgie 22:57
Yeah. Tech is a tough one, because it’s very easy to learn in a non traditional, like through uni as well. So you will find a lot of people who have learned like through other means, like, there’s a lot of resources online, whether that is like you taught yourself or a course or some, you know, not in person course or something.
Geoff 23:22
Yeah, I think I was at a doctor’s office once and I was going in for some kind of scan. And the person’s like, oh, you’re a software engineer. I’m like, yeah. And like, is it hard to become a software engineer? I’m like, man. Every time someone asks me that question, the short answer for anybody who isn’t a software engineer and is wondering, is that there is a low barrier of entry, and a very high mastery, like a bar for mastery. Is it, is it that the phrase, low bar for entry, but a high ceiling.
Georgie 23:58
High ceiling.
Geoff 23:58
Yeah. High ceiling, so anyone, literally anyone can get started. But whether or not you can get good at it, and earn the same salaries as what you kind of see advertised is completely up to how much time and how much interest you have in this because god forbid, everything you learn is wasted the next day as a software engineer.
Georgie 24:22
(laughs)
Geoff 24:25
Just don’t chase the shiny. That’s like the reality of it. We try not to talk about work here—but yeah. So it’s hard to convince the younger generation to get interested in software engineering. Sometimes.
Georgie 24:39
Yeah, you think?
Geoff 24:42
Yeah I guess so?
Georgie 24:43
Like they don’t have an interest in it at all right now?
Geoff 24:46
Yeah, I guess there’s like the influencer game is like really—
Georgie 24:51
Appealing?
Geoff 24:53
Appealing and because they look at a lot of influencers. They, they get influenced, right? And that’s what, that’s why they—
Georgie 24:59
Yeah.
Geoff 25:00
...are called influencers. So I’m wondering like, I don’t know, I don’t know what the market size is for tech, tech influencers and people like doing the software engineering, “This is my day in software engineering” and—
Georgie 25:10
OK, I have—
Geoff 25:11
Software engineering...
Georgie 25:12
...opinions about this, or thoughts about this, not opinions. Like, you could liken it to DevRel, right, developer relations.
Geoff 25:20
True.
Georgie 25:20
People who—I also have a friend who’s like a community manager. And so she does a lot of sort of social media engagement and real life like conferences, sort of promoting the company that she works for. And that is, like, very exhausting. I don’t know, if anyone listening is like a content creator or has like a large following. And you feel like you got a big workload. It’s kind of like similar, maybe that’s a job for you. You want to do that for like a tech company.
Geoff 25:54
Yeah.
Georgie 25:54
But there are a lot of people out there who, I would say that they’re younger than me. And I do, like, follow a few of them. They, they put a lot of effort into sharing their journey into becoming like a software engineer. What sort of like, sharing tips and tricks on like, interviews, and—
Geoff 26:12
Yeah.
Georgie 26:13
Coding tests and things like that, to me, it’s not relevant, right? Because my old ass is staying at this company for as long as I possibly can. But I think maybe it, the target audience are people who are even younger, or maybe even less experienced, maybe they don’t even know anything about tech. And they follow those people, because they’re probably around the same age. And they think that they can get some information from what they’re sharing, and maybe change careers or something.
Geoff 26:42
I mean, there’s also the other flip side, where they’re like, I left my sole, hundred, to six figure software engineering job at Google, to follow my dreams, etc.
Georgie 26:54
You mean that wasn’t your...? Nah.
Geoff 26:55
Yeah, it’s kind of like, and then they’re trying to be inspirational, like “don’t don’t sit at a job that you hate” or something like that. And then that that kind of stuff really, like, I don’t know, I feel like whenever someone leaves x job for to become—I mean, entrepreneurship is kind of okay. But to become an influencer is like, I don’t know, a non non productive member of society, I’d say, just yeah—
Georgie 27:28
Just putting it out there. I don’t know, if I would even assume that every—not everybody—that these people want to be influencers. I think you might hear a lot that they accidentally fall into it, or they start sharing things that go funny, or that they’re interested in, or that they just want to share. And then they gain a following from that. And so it’s effectively their personality that they’re selling, which I don’t really like, but just—
Geoff 27:58
Yeah, the, but then like, I think we’ve talked about it before, about the the saran wrap.
Georgie 28:05
(laughs)
Geoff 28:07
Yeah, you get into the weird space. And I feel like yeah, well, we have too many people are in that space for the tryna get their views, trying, trying to get clicks up and doing whatever they can. So actually, recently, I saw that the Sylvester Stallone has a reality TV show for his family. Like the Kardashians.
Georgie 28:29
Really?
Geoff 28:29
Yeah, like the Kardashians.
Georgie 28:31
Okay, so I don’t know what movies he’s done since—
Geoff 28:34
Rambo?
Georgie 28:35
Since... Like, I don’t know what movies he’s done recently, or even in the past 20 years.
Geoff 28:41
Yeah.
Georgie 28:43
So—
Geoff 28:43
But that’s alright. It’s mostly just action movies where he goes and kicks everyone’s butt. But essentially—
Georgie 28:49
Maybe he got bored of doing action movies, where he kicks everyone’s butt.
Geoff 28:53
He’s still doing the movie. He’s doing the movies. He just has a camera crew following him around now with his family. So—
Georgie 29:00
Maybe Geoff, maybe, just what if he just wanted to try something different?
Geoff 29:06
That’s fine. That’s fine. But I’m saying like, in this first episode that I watched, because I thought, hey, how bad can it be? He said, he said, he said he’d started this, this whole reality TV show because it was like an excuse to get the family to spend more time together. And I was like, that’s kind of weird. His eldest is like, 26 or something like that. 26, 22 and 20. And he’s like, I don’t spend enough time with my family. So you know, I’m gonna make this TV, this this reality TV show and force them. Essentially forced them to spend time with me. Like, I’m like what?
Georgie 29:50
But do they still live with him or...?
Geoff 29:52
Yeah, they still live with him.
Georgie 29:53
Okay, all right. That’s fair enough. I thought like man if they’d moved out and he was just like, “make this thing with me”. I’d just be like, that’s probably—
Geoff 30:00
See?
Georgie 30:00
Bit weird.
Geoff 30:01
I didn’t know that they still lived with him when he said this. So I was also thinking—
Georgie 30:07
Ohhh.
Geoff 30:07
Exactly that. I was like, wait, what? You just making them all come home? To...
Georgie 30:11
Yeah. Then it’d be just funny, I think.
Geoff 30:15
Yeah.
Georgie 30:16
And be like, “Come on, come over and visit me” or whatever.
Geoff 30:19
Yeah.
Georgie 30:19
“I put the ping pong table out” and it’s like ugh.
Geoff 30:23
Dad.
Georgie 30:23
Dad. Yeah.
Geoff 30:25
And then the the core piece of the drama here is that is that he doesn’t he doesn’t engage with any of his daughter’s boyfriends. He’s like, the very serious, scary father figure in the distance. And they’re all just like, “you never talk to my boyfriend”. And I’m like—
Georgie 30:48
Oh.
Geoff 30:49
Yeah. And they’re serious, serious. Exactly. Like, ooh, he doesn’t talk to their boyfriends.
Georgie 30:56
I mean, this could be stage but still.
Geoff 30:58
Exactly. Right. And then and then what they decided to do for his birthday was make him cake. And then they decided to make it a gender reveal cake to troll the dad into thinking that one of them was pregnant—
Georgie 31:11
That she’s pregnant. Yeah.
Geoff 31:13
And I was just like, is that seriously the drama that you can drum up? Is like the—yeah, I don’t know. Maybe I’m not not cut out for reality shows.
Georgie 31:26
I totally get that that would entertain some people.
Geoff 31:29
Yeah.
Georgie 31:29
But I also think that in this case, you would have to be interested in Sylvester Stallone in the first place to even remotely give a minor fuck about a reality show with him in it.
Geoff 31:43
Yes.
Georgie 31:44
You know, at least like when you watch things like what American Idol or whatever country idol.
Geoff 31:50
Yeah. Talent shows.
Georgie 31:53
Yeah, there’s, there’s people there you don’t even like know, so you don’t have any like, bias. So it’s probably interesting to watch a little bit of that, but—
Geoff 32:02
Yeah, exactly. So it’s kind of like, I don’t know about this reality show. But like most of the other Netflix ones, so I watched Selling Sunset. I don’t know if I mentioned this on an episode.
Georgie 32:13
I think you mentioned it. But—
Geoff 32:14
Yeah.
Georgie 32:15
Is that the one where there’s like, drama, like, girls who are big drama queens.
Geoff 32:21
Yeah, exactly. They’re all just big drama queens.
Georgie 32:23
And they got money and stuff?
Geoff 32:25
Yeah, there’s also Bling Empire, which I’ve also mentioned.
Georgie 32:28
Oh, yeah. You mentioned that one. Yeah.
Geoff 32:29
So I watch a lot of these shows. Right? And the thing is, with the shows is that they, they, like you were mentioning before how they like they like, like, hype it up or whatever. These kinds of like dramas. And the fact that you’d say, oh, hey, I’ve got this show, come over. Like I’ve got the ping pong table out. They literally do that in those shows. They they almost, they, they meet up for no other reason but to talk about the drama that just happened. Like some drama happens at a party. And then the next next—
Georgie 33:03
And then they gossip.
Geoff 33:04
The next time you see them is they’re meeting up at a cafe and like, “oh my god” they’re just like “Justine last night?” Like, they’re literally setting up dates to talk to each other.
Georgie 33:16
Okay, so what I want to know, is—
Geoff 33:18
To meet up.
Georgie 33:18
I’m asking this in the most like, sincere, like, genuine way possible. I want to know, do people actually do that? Or is that just like in the in the show? Do okay, if you’re listening to this. Do you catch up with your friends to talk about what happened at the party last? Or do you phone, like what? Tell me what happens?
Geoff 33:42
There, yeah, there’s like literally no reason why they needed to catch up to do it. They could have had a phone call. And they could have just talked about it. But no, they have to meet in person for the sake of the show, I believe, to get it recorded. So the, so the, it’s not just people sitting at home on the phone. Anyways, it seems all very forced. And the idea that I don’t know. Oh, did you, apparently I didn’t fact check this. But you know, how there’s a writer’s strike going on at the moment?
Georgie 34:15
Yeah, I’ve heard about it, but I don’t know much about it.
Geoff 34:18
Yeah. So not even about this writer’s strike. Apparently, it happened like a decade ago, maybe two decades ago was the last writer’s strike. And that was that was apparently how we got reality TV show to begin with.
Georgie 34:33
Oh.
Geoff 34:34
All the writers went on strike. Like how do we make a show without writers? You let the people—
Georgie 34:39
Shit!
Geoff 34:39
Just write themselves.
Georgie 34:41
Okay. So, but you said you didn’t fact check.
Geoff 34:43
I didn’t fact check this. Yeah. Yeah. How did reality TV shows start... “portray people unscripted situations began in late 1940s. Early examples”...
Georgie 34:57
But when was it popularised, like when did it take off?
Geoff 35:02
Candid Camera is the first reality TV show with a creative concept from the start, actually began on the radio in 1947.
Georgie 35:10
Okay, so I’m pretty sure we lost an episode where we discussed this. I said, I said, if I go on a reality TV show, I want to be, like deliberately be that person who’s like—
Geoff 35:24
You know. You know you’re on a show.
Georgie 35:27
Yeah, like the anti stereotype. I want to be like, fuck you people. Like, you know, for example, like The Bachelor.
Geoff 35:34
Yeah.
Georgie 35:35
I would, I don’t know. I just I just Yeah.
Geoff 35:39
Have you ever been to a Bachelor watch party?
Georgie 35:42
A what?
Geoff 35:42
A Bachelor watch party. These things happen.
Georgie 35:44
As in like watching The Bachelor at a party, like—
Geoff 35:48
Together in a group.
Georgie 35:50
Ew, no. Like, I don’t even like watching shows to begin with. So what makes you—and I don’t like people. So what makes you think I want to put the two of them together. (laughs)
Geoff 35:59
Oh, man, have I talked about my Japan trip that I’m planning for next year?
Georgie 36:04
No.
Geoff 36:05
So well, I brought this up with my family. And my dad is a real big fan of tours. Like bus tours—
Georgie 36:12
Like organised—
Geoff 36:13
Like, yeah, you purchase tickets, they cost anywhere from a cup, like two to $3,000. But they take you everywhere on a bus. They, all accommodation, all meals paid, like paid upfront and, and organised. So that you, like you said it’s done for you. It’s done for you. Yeah. So you don’t have to think about, you just go from point A to point B, take some photos, point A to point B. Now my dad really likes this. And I dunno—
Georgie 36:45
I think—
Geoff 36:45
Maybe it’s a generation thing.
Georgie 36:46
I think is a generation, yeah. Because Nick’s parents were looking at doing something similar, not Japan, but as in they’re, they’re cool with that kind of arrangement.
Geoff 36:55
Whereas we, I guess, like to—
Georgie 36:58
Be more independent.
Geoff 36:58
Walk between destinations to see the culture.
Georgie 37:02
But you’re not, you’re not, walking like 20 kilometres?
Geoff 37:06
No, that’s ridiculous. But I mean, it’s kind of like I walked from Shinjuku to Tokyo. Like that was
Georgie 37:13
Yeah. Oh, wait. So how are you talking about short distance like doing a tour around Sydney, Taronga Zoo like maybe going to Newtown or what are you talking about like on a bigger scale? Like you’re gonna do Sydney, Blue Mountains type type thing?
Geoff 37:30
Is it like intrepid tours or something? Sorry that’s not the word. Is it? Yeah, Intrepid, so. So basically ways to travel you can do—
Georgie 37:42
So I guess I’m asking, is it, like just so people listening get an understanding of it, like is it a tour a bus tour around a city or around multiple cities?
Geoff 37:52
Multiple, multi—
Georgie 37:53
Like around Europe?
Geoff 37:54
Yeah, yeah. So the last one I went to was with my family and we went to Europe and the idea is that they take you on a bus from Paris to Bruges, Belgium and then—
Georgie 38:06
Okay.
Geoff 38:07
To Venice, Italy, you know, they take you around.
Georgie 38:10
It’s like a full trip.
Geoff 38:12
Exactly.
Georgie 38:12
Like the tour is the whole like entire—
Geoff 38:14
Yeah.
Georgie 38:15
Holiday or trip, multi day.
Geoff 38:17
Exactly. So if you are doing one in Japan, they basically have maybe a tour bus that takes you around Tokyo to very specific spots in Tokyo. And then you have X amount of time to go around and then you come back to the bus and they take you back to the hotel etc.
Georgie 38:30
Yeah.
Geoff 38:30
You might have free, free time. And then like on the tour that we’d have like, right one destination’s Tokyo, the other destination’s Kyoto so they will take you on the the bullet train or whatever, booked, pre booked everything you go to the train and get to the hotel on the other end and hey, presto, you’re in Kyoto. And then they do the same thing. You would go around to a specific spots, which are all booked, pre booked.
Georgie 38:51
Yeah.
Geoff 38:52
So if you were doing one for London, they’d probably have the—crap I forgot what the—
Georgie 38:59
London Eye?
Geoff 39:00
London Eye, or if you’re, we did the one in Paris and they had a a tour only access pass to the Louvre.
Georgie 39:09
Yeah.
Geoff 39:10
So they take you in a specific door, you get to see specific areas, etc. So they do this stuff for you. Anyways, so he, he always suggests this to any of us siblings who want to go on a holiday and my sister, one of my sister’s like, “but Geoff doesn’t like people” and then my other sister’s like, “Geoff doesn’t like buses”. So really, the whole tour thing is out of the question because well you go with people by the way, you’re not, it’s not private buses. It’s like you got—
Georgie 39:45
Yeah it’s a group thing.
Geoff 39:46
Eighteen other people. Yeah.
Georgie 39:48
Yeah, I mean, some people don’t mind I guess quote unquote making friend, maybe if you’re all like young and you know, don’t have a partner and you just want to travel on your own like you’re cool or like just meet people.
Geoff 40:00
Yeah.
Georgie 40:00
And if you’re extroverted.
Geoff 40:02
Have the best time.
Georgie 40:05
Yeah.
Geoff 40:05
So we have this—
Georgie 40:06
Contiki.
Geoff 40:06
Yeah, there’s Contiki I don’t know how many people outside of Australia use Contiki? Probably a lot. But this one’s the younger vibe right? This one’s actually gets you to hostels like it’s the cheaper one. You get booked hostels, you go you go pretty bare bones because it’s too... wow that’s $2,000 per person. Geez, what are you doing?
Georgie 40:30
Oh, yeah, let’s see.
Geoff 40:31
Yeah, so with or without sailing is for $400 difference. Airlie beach, bass, bass backpackers All right. Next day to Airlie Beach but this time you can snorkel, Whitsundays, I’ve heard of Whitsundays, I keep thinking it’s an event of some sort, like Coachella?
Georgie 40:52
No, it’s just the area with all those nice beaches that are like the sand is like almost white.
Geoff 40:58
Day three back to back to Airlie Beach, skydive, half day sea kayaking, and then a helicopter.
Georgie 41:06
Okay, but those things right, the highlights, it says additional cost applies. So on top of your 2000 bucks, you’re going to have to pay for some of these activities.
Geoff 41:13
Oh, hold on a second. So this is just three days of being on this beach.
Georgie 41:18
Before you even go to the next stop.
Geoff 41:20
So free day, you get a free day on the beach. Lunch? Lunch is all inc—so lunch was included on day—day two, but not day three. Never mind about feeding you day three.
Georgie 41:32
So if you’ve been on a cruise before, like I’ve been only on one and it was like a sample cruise. So we didn’t actually go anywhere. But cruises are sort of set out quite similarly. Like you have days where you’re just on the, on the water, so to speak, and then it’ll stop at different islands. And you actually have the choice. You can get off and explore the island if you want. And if you don’t, you like being on the boat, fine. Stay on the boat. And yeah, I think anything you do on the island, you might have to pay for yourself. And the boat just picks you up at the end of however many, I think it’s just one day or whatever. So I guess it works pretty similarly to that.
Geoff 42:07
Yeah. Speaking about boats, this, this podcast has sailed.
Georgie 42:13
Sailing away.
Geoff 42:14
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Georgie 42:18
And you can find our episodes on Apple podcasts, Spotify, and the big tour around the previous 90? Episode, 91 episodes we’ve done?
Geoff 42:32
Yeah.
Georgie 42:33
See you in the next one.
Geoff 42:36
New episodes every Monday, I think. See you next week.
Georgie 42:41
Bye.
Geoff 42:41
Bye.