We debate the age old topic, “are the books better than the movies”? In which ex-bookworm Georgie chides Geoff for not knowing that The Great Gatsby is a book, additionally we both argue over how long or short a chapter in a book is “allowed” to be and we smoothly transition into an update about the mould in Geoff’s place.
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We debate the age old topic, “are the books better than the movies”? In which ex-bookworm Georgie chides Geoff for not knowing that The Great Gatsby is a book, additionally we both argue over how long or short a chapter in a book is “allowed” to be and we smoothly transition into an update about the mould in Geoff’s place.
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Geoff:
Georgie 0:07
Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Toast &. Roast. I am your co host Georgie and I’m here with Geoff. I—
Geoff 0:17
Hello.
Georgie 0:17
Almost forgot what to say just then. Hence the—
Geoff 0:20
Almost. Yes.
Georgie 0:21
Hence the pause like before I—
Geoff 0:24
The contemplation pause.
Georgie 0:26
Yeah. So my door can close now.
Geoff 0:30
Oh, sweet.
Georgie 0:32
Yeah, so—
Geoff 0:33
Wait, right, your door couldn’t close before, I completely—
Georgie 0:36
Yeah, yeah it was, so, when we moved into this apartment for some reason, the door couldn’t close and you can see it, you can see it from one side—
Geoff 0:46
Oh yeah, it was the warping thing.
Georgie 0:48
Yeah, at least that’s what they think it was. And it was happening to the other door in the in the bedroom in the other bedroom. But that loosened up and it was fine. But this one, from the inside, so from where I’m sitting right now, you couldn’t—like you could see that maybe it would fit in, maybe, and then it looked like a warping issue. But then from the other side, from the outside of this room. It just straight up looked like the door was like crooked.
Geoff 1:19
Installed at a very precarious angle.
Georgie 1:24
Yes, that’s what it looked like. So we had someone come in and fix and fix a few different issues including the door. And he removed the door from the doorframe and had a look at it. And he said, “Ah, the door is actually too big for the door”.
Geoff 1:42
What?
Georgie 1:43
He said he was going to take it out onto the balcony and start like chipping at it and filing it down, basically.
Geoff 1:51
How do you...
Georgie 1:51
Whoever replaced it, decided to do a cheap job and cheap job and worry about it later. But just trying to fix it themselves, I guess. And I was like, it wasn’t us, but thanks for fixing it. And now it actually closes so.
Geoff 2:06
Oh my god. So did you have to pay for this?
Georgie 2:09
Nope?
Geoff 2:10
Yeah.
Georgie 2:10
The landlord was like, oh, yeah, cool with these repairs sound fine to us. We’ll organise for someone to come in.
Geoff 2:18
Imagine if the landlord says nah. Then like, go... Because what are you gonna do, you fight them in court?
Georgie 2:27
Well, I’d be like, it’s a basic human right to have a bedroom door close I would think.
Geoff 2:32
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 2:34
Like.
Geoff 2:36
Apparently, livability is really difficult to like fight.
Georgie 2:40
Argue?
Geoff 2:41
Yeah, really hard to argue. I had a friend who moved into an apartment with like termite damage in the floor, was existing. Now this is not any kind of regular termite damage, when you might go, eh, it seems okay. No g—no shitting, no shit legit. You stand on the board floorboards, and it bows, you actually dip downwards into the floor. It’s because there’s nothing underneath the floorboards. So—
Georgie 3:14
I wouldn’t want to live there.
Geoff 3:15
Yeah, and even that was hard to argue livability and I just can’t understand. Like, what else? Like how far does it have to go before you can actually say this place is unlivable?
Georgie 3:29
It’s a good point.
Geoff 3:30
Like I had mould in my bedroom.
Georgie 3:33
How’d that go?
Geoff 3:34
And like, oh, yeah, so we kind of just kept it there, right. So the story is—I don’t know if I’ve told it on podcast—
Georgie 3:41
You mentioned what happened but I don’t know what happened after that.
Geoff 3:46
Yeah, so small recap. Heavy rain seeped into the into my wall, there’s mold, right. And it stopped raining so it stopped growing. And so we kind of just kept it around and just like waiting for someone to come and fix it... actually have to go check up on that. Yeah, it’s very, very slow process apparently to fix something like this. But essentially, we sat and looked at it for a while. And then someone mentioned
Georgie 4:18
Wait wait, you’ve watched mould grow.
Geoff 4:20
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sat and watched it grow. It’s a good pastime. It’s way better than grass. If anyone tells you to watch grass grow not they have never watched mould grow. Like the cheese, like the watching the cheese age. Right?
Georgie 4:34
Yeah.
Geoff 4:37
So someone suggested, someone just said you know offhandedly, “Why don’t you clean it off?” And I was like, you’re right. I don’t know why haven’t cleaned it up yet. So just like, I thought you know, the the person who was going to fix the wall would, and then and then they would clean off all the the mould I just didn’t, it just didn’t occur to me, just didn’t occur to me that—
Georgie 5:02
To clean it yourself.
Geoff 5:03
...that I have the ability to clean mould. Like I thought it was some kind of specialist thing to do, mould cleaner.
Georgie 5:10
Have you, I as—so I assume you’ve never done it before ever.
Geoff 5:13
So yeah, I’ve never encountered mould before.
Georgie 5:15
So I got mold on my shoes that were made of fabric, they have a fabric on them, so they’re not leather. They’re like, oh, you can get mould on anything. But I think I looked it up because I really liked these shoes. And it’s suggested vinegar and, and/or, like alcohol, like rubbing alcohol. And just like dampen a cloth.
Geoff 5:37
Oh.
Georgie 5:37
With like a bit of vinegar. And or the alcohol...
Geoff 5:40
We’ve got some ugg slippers that might have some white stains on it, would you reckon that would be?
Georgie 5:45
Probably? How long have they been there?
Geoff 5:47
Probably.
Georgie 5:47
That’s the thing.
Geoff 5:48
I don’t know, actually probably since like the whole mould debacle, because a lot of white stains went on the carpet and all the stuff started getting the same stuff on them. And I’m like, ugh, so I just wiped the other ones but I’ve been trying to figure out if I should just throw my Ugg slippers into the washing machine. Should probably should do actually.
Georgie 6:06
I might not necessarily get rid of the mould like yeah, the reason you use like vinegar or alcohol is because it will kill that the bacteria and you should actually kind of put it outside or like, I mean, let it get some some air.
Geoff 6:20
Yeah, so, so someone suggested that we clean it, and I’m like, oh, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. And then cuz good to Woolies, supermarket, found this like, ultimate mould cleaner. And then you have to wear like, protective goggles and gloves and stuff to use this because it’s like, highly corrosive, I guess. Anyways. And you just spray it. I sprayed it. And 10 minutes later it was gone. Now we didn’t question where it went. Did it evaporate into the air? Nobody knows. But I took a paper towel to it just to make sure you know, clean off any residual. But the thing is, I don’t have any real protective goggles and I was like, oh yeah, I think I have swimming goggles so I just put on swimming goggles. Heheh.
Georgie 7:21
Hahaha.
Geoff 7:21
Put on some swimming goggles and spray it away.
Georgie 7:24
I’m surprised you even have swimming goggles. I don’t swim often and I don’t have goggles.
Geoff 7:30
Yeah, I threw them away because they are the like the oldest thing in my in my house.
Georgie 7:37
But then you’re like, I’m keeping this just in case I need goggles when I swim and...
Geoff 7:41
Nah, I just go buy new ones.
Georgie 7:43
Yeah.
Geoff 7:44
Like so that’s how that’s how the mold the mould got removed and it hasn’t come back. I’ve got those dehumidifier things you know those buckets with the with a bit of like soil in it, white kind of gravel in it, and sucks the moisture out of the air.
Georgie 8:01
That’s—I thought you meant like a little aircon dehumidifier type thing.
Geoff 8:06
Nah, nah, you got these.
Georgie 8:08
What the heck is this? This a pot?
Geoff 8:09
Dehumidifer bucket... Damn bread. Yeah. So you got this bucket. And you pop this moisture, moisture trapping granules inside the granule filter. And then it just drips out the bottom the water just drips out the bottom into the bucket.
Georgie 8:32
So you just put it on, like put it on the ground or on the sill or something.
Geoff 8:35
Yeah, you just put it next to stuff, and you put it in rooms and it just sucks the moisture out of there. And you can refill them so you just get a refillable packet and then just add the add the granules back in and you’re good to go.
Georgie 8:52
Wait, so is that just a bucket with the stuff in or, can you use any bucket?
Geoff 8:56
I think the filter is also important, the granule filter, but it doesn’t look... Yeah, you probably want this type, this filter. You might be able to replicate the filter if you have one.
Georgie 9:08
Oh so this actual receptacle has the filter on it. And then once you buy the granules that you put on top to do the work.
Geoff 9:15
Yeah.
Georgie 9:16
Okay.
Geoff 9:16
Yeah, I’m guessing the filter is not that special. It’s just stopping the granules from mixing into the water below it. So—
Georgie 9:25
Yeah?
Geoff 9:26
You could replicate this with just a regular bucket and a—
Georgie 9:30
And a cloth?
Geoff 9:30
...filter. Just just DIY this.
Georgie 9:36
Yeah, this reminds me of like filter coffee, right? You can like you can get the filters, the pieces of paper, which are you know, for some people—
Geoff 9:46
Oh yeah, you can make your room smell like coffee.
Georgie 9:49
Yeah, you could, no, what I mean is like when you’re making the coffee, or pouring or whatever. Some people use a cloth, but then it’s like, oh, maybe depending on how clean the cloth is. Your coffee might end up tasting like cloth, but it’s better than you buying like those disposable filters. You do you, I just thought about that for some reason.
Geoff 10:08
Yeah. It’s funny because my parents were like, I, you should buy one of these things. And I’m like, okay, so go online and I look at it. And I’m like, ah, they’re, they look pretty small. So I bought like five of them. And my parents were like, wait, you only need like, one or two? Why’d you buy five? You just, I think that you mentioned that you should buy like four or five of them. And I was like, you told me to buy four or five of them. And then like, how big is it? I’d give them the thing. And they were like, oh, it’s only 300 grams. You should only have bought one or two. Because they’re refillable too. So now I have like five of them stacked in the closet. Actually—
Georgie 10:55
I’ll have them if you don’t want them.
Geoff 10:57
Yeah, I’ll I’ll palm one off you to you because I’ve used to and I’ve got a fresh one, a freshie. I ripped one open and now I have three. Haha.
Georgie 11:13
(laughs)
Geoff 11:14
The other one is just stacked in the laundry like soaking up the moisture in there—
Georgie 11:18
Oh my god.
Geoff 11:18
So, so now I have two left. Yeah, I was thinking like, do I sell these, because actually when I went to went to look to buy them, they were sold out in the like the like 10 kilometre radius because it was ra—it’s raining so much everybody went out bought these. So I got it from, got it off Amazon, purchased twice. Yeah, cuz I bought three at first and then I was like, oh, no I need more. Just make a whole castle, a wall of these buckets. No moisture. Sorry?
Georgie 11:56
Yeah. And then you’re good.
Geoff 11:58
Yeah, no, then I’m good. Then I live a moistureless life.
Georgie 12:02
That sounds fucking sad.
Geoff 12:04
Have you heard of Dune? The movie?
Georgie 12:08
Yes, I have. So my friend Chris is. I think it’s a remake, right?
Geoff 12:14
Yeah.
Georgie 12:15
Yeah, I think oh, and it’s a book. I think he said he he was worried that the movie might not be good. I don’t know if he’s actually watched it.
Geoff 12:23
Oh, he’s a Dunester.
Georgie 12:26
Is that what they call them?
Geoff 12:27
No, I called it just now. They’re Dunesters to me.
Georgie 12:33
But no, I haven’t actually seen it myself. And I haven’t like read the books or anything.
Geoff 12:39
Yeah. Did you watch Blade Runner?
Georgie 12:42
Which one?
Geoff 12:43
The latest one? I guess. The new one.
Georgie 12:45
No...
Geoff 12:45
The old one. Either one I guess?
Georgie 12:47
I mean like, I’ve watched the old one. And I like it.
Geoff 12:51
Okay, okay.
Georgie 12:52
It’s Harrison Ford, right?
Geoff 12:54
I don’t know, actually.
Georgie 12:56
You don’t know. But have you? Which one have you seen?
Geoff 12:58
Oh, yeah. Blade Runner, Harrison Ford. Gotcha. Remember. Forgot. Yes. I’ve seen the old one and the new one.
Georgie 13:04
Have you read the book it was based on?
Geoff 13:05
No I haven’t. I don’t read books.
Georgie 13:09
You never read books. You know, I am, because because we talked about this whole Georgie used to be a bookworm thing. I used to like always read the book before the movie. It was like—
Geoff 13:19
Isn’t that a bit dangerous? You know, you’re setting yourself up for like, disappointment, right?
Georgie 13:28
But the movies are often made like fucking five or 10 years after the book, maybe. So I might have already read the book anyways, that kind of thing.
Geoff 13:36
Yeah, but I mean, like, right movie comes out. And you’re like, you know what, before watching this movie, I’m going to read the book so that I can go watch the movie, and get disappointed.
Georgie 13:47
I do it less these days. And I’m not going to say it would set you up for any kind of disappointment. It’s just like, that is the source material of the movie. So it’s nice to see how, how—
Geoff 14:00
Badly they translate the movie?
Georgie 14:04
Yeah, yeah? Or, yeah, or how well they do have a job of portraying that in a different medium. Because I’ll give you like, I’ll give you an example. Right. So there’s this book called The Book Thief, which is like my favourite book.
Geoff 14:20
Yeah, right. Right.
Georgie 14:21
And, and there is a movie about about it. And like, I think given the fact that the book is narrated by death, like as in that is,
Geoff 14:31
Was it narrated by Morgan Freeman?
Georgie 14:35
Haha. You know, I actually don’t remember the movie very well, but I thought they did the best they could and like, I just don’t want to, some people, I just feel like especially with people who review movies, I think people who review movies should have some idea of the source material. Even if they don’t, um.
Geoff 14:54
Yeah, that’s a good take.
Georgie 14:55
Even if they don’t fully read it. Yeah. And so I think that people who have opinions, which is everybody, if people have opinions about movies should at least have some awareness that the book exists. And kind of, you know, understand...
Geoff 15:12
Empathise, empathise with the, with the with the movie makers. And yeah, hard task that you had, to, given to them.
Georgie 15:22
It’s a bit of balance because I know there’s also some diehard fans who are like, “You didn’t stay true to the book!”, et cetera, et cetera. And I’m like, I get it. But sometimes for the sake of like a medium of like, film, you want to maybe dramatise it, you want to miss out bits? Like can you fucking imagine if they put every detail from every fucking Lord of the Rings in the actual fucking films, we would be here for years.
Geoff 15:43
Yeah, yeah. The, alright, so why before I brought up Dune was because they have such a shortage on moisture.
Georgie 15:53
Wait, like in what?
Geoff 15:54
In Dune? So Dune is about a planet that is a complete desert, they have no water. So it’s sort of like a bit, living in a moistureless world, literally, Dune.
Georgie 16:05
Literally.
Geoff 16:06
Literally, it’s really interesting because I remember this one line, and it’s like, this guy meets this other, like commander type. And he and the guy is from the planet. He’s kind of a local or what do you call him native. And he just spits on the table, like (spits). And like, they’re like, and then they bowed, and like, it’s kind of like, pretty confusing. But then the native slash, like advisor says, “He has shared with you his moisture, the most valuable piece of asset in this in this planet”, essentially. And I was like, that’s, that’s really interesting. It’s like become some kind of strange cultural slash tradition slash religion esque type thing where you’d like worship moisture, because you don’t have a lot of it?
Georgie 17:06
Yeah.
Geoff 17:07
So like spitting on people is a really nice thing to do. Apparently.
Georgie 17:12
That’s a little bit odd given we’re in, you know, this era of, probably don’t spit on people?
Geoff 17:20
Yeah, probably not. If they had COVID, they’d probably all get it. Anyways, yeah. So—
Georgie 17:28
But maybe sharing is caring from their whole perspective.
Geoff 17:35
Oh, funny thing about COVID, actually, just on, just on that a little bit. Went to play board games with the, with a friend who was a fairly close contact of a exposed person, positive person, and he hadn’t tested positive yet. But like after the day after the board games, he tested positive.
Georgie 18:01
Wait. So he didn’t do a test until after board games?
Geoff 18:04
No, no, he did test before and they were negative. And we’re like, yeah, whatever. So we went in played board games. And then afterwards, he took, he, the next day. Apparently, he had like, pretty bad symptoms. So he did, did the RAT test and he was positive. And then he was like, sorry, guys. I’m positive. And we’re like, yeah, that’s fine. But I haven’t tested positive. I mean, this is like a few days ago, a week ago, maybe? I haven’t tested positive. So it’s like, phew, dodged a bullet. On, so that happened on Saturday, Sunday, Sunday tested positive. And then my, one of the guys at board games went to work on Wednesday. And it was a morning hot breakfast kind of, like, get together. I don’t know how many people were there. Probably about nine. He tested positive, like on Thursday. So—
Georgie 19:02
So where did he get it?
Geoff 19:02
Oh, wait he tested positive on Friday, on Friday. So it’s funny because he didn’t, he didn’t catch it from the board games. But it seems like he caught it from going to breakfast on Wednesday.
Georgie 19:12
Really? Oh. but like, I think the other thing is sometimes you just don’t know until like, later on that you have like—
Geoff 19:20
It’s hard to know.
Georgie 19:20
Several days. Yeah, actually, I had a thing like last week where I was with a friend who later tested positive for COVID after we hung out, and I was actually paranoid that I was gonna get it a second time. And I just had my flu shot. So I had probably symptoms from the flu shot, but because it was making me so paranoid, I just did a RAT again. And it was it was negative, but I was like what are the what are the odds of me—
Geoff 19:57
Yeah.
Georgie 19:58
Yeah. Getting it again. Because there are stories of that. But yeah.
Geoff 20:06
So back to the book thing. The book movie thing. So I think it sets us up for a bit of disappointment. But you’re right it I think if you understand source material enough, you, you kind of give the movie credit where credit’s due for trying the impossible thing of cramming an entire book into this movie format. Because I think I’ve only done one, one book and one movie, where I had read the book, like three or four times, Ender’s Game, and then they came out the movie, I’m like, ooh. I don’t know. I read this book quite a bit. So I went and watched the movie with my brother who’s also read the book quite a bit, and it came out, okay, I’m like, they shuffled things around a little bit, because they don’t have enough time to get to these like integral integral characters that took like half a book to get to. So they kind of shuffled some of the character meeting around, but like, in essence, they’ve got they’ve got the key, the key events, and they they still like, have you read Ender’s Game?
Georgie 21:29
No.
Geoff 21:30
I read it for school. How weird. That usually read for school and you hate the book.
Georgie 21:35
No, you know what? I’m the opposite.
Geoff 21:37
Oh, no, sorry. My mistake. My sisters before me read the book for school. Like, I didn’t read it for I didn’t read it for school. I read To Kill a Mockingbird school.
Georgie 21:51
Please tell me what you thought of that. I could, because I wanted to read that book. And I think I still actually haven’t, my brother read it before me. And I was like, ah, but he he yeah, he read it for school. But like, the books I’ve read for school, I actually ended up really liking, so one of them was Looking for Alibrandi I don’t know if you’ve heard of that book. It’s by a Australian author.
Geoff 22:15
Okay. And yeah, don’t read Australian stuff.
Georgie 22:19
Well, we had to in fucking school. I don’t know about you.
Geoff 22:22
I know.
Georgie 22:23
But um, The Great Gatsby, which I ended up really liking—
Geoff 22:27
Oh. I didn’t know that was a book. It’s just a movie.
Georgie 22:31
Get fucked. Are you for real?
Geoff 22:33
Yeah.
Georgie 22:36
No, fuck off.
Geoff 22:36
No joke, I only thought it was a movie. I didn’t know it was.
Georgie 22:38
For real?
Geoff 22:39
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 22:40
Oh my god.
Geoff 22:41
Is the movie good. Compared to the book?
Georgie 22:44
I haven’t, I haven’t seen the movie.
Geoff 22:47
Oh.
Georgie 22:47
It looks, okay, on the surface, it looks like, as a movie it looks like a good movie. Because it looks... Yeah. I think that from the trailers and stuff. It looks like a somewhat accurate portrayal of what the story is about. But I don’t actually, I don’t know. Like, I’ll have to watch it because I don’t know. I haven’t read any reviews about it either. But the book I really liked. It’s a bit dark.
Geoff 23:19
You don’t want, you don’t want to ruin your book by watching this.
Georgie 23:27
Maybe? Maybe?
Geoff 23:29
7.2 out of 10.
Georgie 23:31
Yeah, does he dies, right, in the movie?
Geoff 23:34
Sorry. He dies. I can’t tell you that’s a spoiler for our listeners.
Georgie 23:37
I’ve read the book. So—
Geoff 23:40
Our listeners who haven’t watched Great Gatsby, what am I going to do? What are we going to do, spoil them?
Georgie 23:44
I thought this was Toast & Roast!
Geoff 23:47
2013. So it’s 48% on Rotten Tomatoes which is pretty bad... yeah, I think he dies.
Georgie 24:00
You think he dies?
Geoff 24:01
You know what, I can’t remember. I don’t remember movies that great.
Georgie 24:03
Whatever, he dies in the end in the book.
Geoff 24:06
Yeah, I think he was driving the car or something and then he like got in a car crash, I think.
Georgie 24:11
No in the book he fuckin... no. In the book that’s not what happened.
Geoff 24:15
Was it drugs? Was it drugs? Great Gatsby dies. “Wilson eventually, Wilson shoots Gatsby killing him instantly then shoots himself”. Man I should watch this movie again.
Georgie 24:30
Wait, is that?
Geoff 24:31
Oh that’s, that’s the that’s the books,
Georgie 24:33
That’s the book dude. Yeah, that’s what I mean. So when you said the thing about the car I’m like, nuh-uh.
Geoff 24:39
Oh OK. Movie compared to book. “Nick calls and Gatsby gets out of the pool when he hears the phone ring. He’s then shot and dies believing that Daisy was going to ditch time and go with him”. None of that happens in the book again. So he doesn’t actually die the same way.
Georgie 24:53
So that’s the book right?
Geoff 24:57
What? No, apparently... Gatsby is waiting for a phone call from Daisy. But in the, but in the film Nick calls Gatsby... No. So like, apparently, it’s not the same? I don’t know. Anyways.
Georgie 25:10
It’s tragic in the book, I’m trying to actually remember, because it’s been a while since, I’ve read it like several times, but it’s been a while since I’ve actually...
Geoff 25:19
Well, these days, the movies are all about rehashing. It’s, it’s bit hard to find a movie that is...
Georgie 25:28
Mind you. It’s not a very long book. It’s less than 200 average pages. So, you know.
Geoff 25:38
I read a, quote unquote, book, I don’t know if it’s called, like a web novel or light novel. But that thing was like 17—
Georgie 25:46
Novella.
Geoff 25:46
Or 1700 like chapters, but I don’t think, I don’t think they’re like, two, three page, three pages of chapter like, three page a chapter. So I wouldn’t call it a real chapter. Probably, probably...
Georgie 26:03
Wait, who are you to judge an author’s writing? Chapters can be as short as they fucking want.
Geoff 26:09
Yeah, but when you tell someone, when you tell someone this thing has seventeen hundred chapters, like a thousand seven hundred chapters. Like, people are gonna, what the hell, like a standard chapter’s pretty long, right, or rather like, more than three pages.
Georgie 26:25
Dude, like, there is no such thing as a fucking standard, like book, like book chapters can be as short. Or they can be like, relatively—
Geoff 26:34
How long must a chapter be in a novel, here we go.
Georgie 26:39
I’ve known, Geoff, before you continue. I have known chapters of books to be literally one line.
Geoff 26:45
What?
Georgie 26:46
Yeah, and it’s like... It’s, a chapter is just a way of dividing something from the chapters around it. And if it means that this topic is just for this chapter is just going to be one sentence, sure. Like, it’s for effect, it’s for progression of the story. It’s to separate whatever, you know, I mean, I’m also saying this as a writing enthusiast, so.
Geoff 27:12
Right, okay. I’m trying to find out the—
Georgie 27:15
Seventeen hundred chapters is quite a lot.
Geoff 27:17
Seventeen hundred, had personally took me two years. Yeah, it took me a long time to read this. The thing is, it was it was written in Chinese and then translated into English. And that stuff is a little bit hard to read all the time. Because you’re not only, you’re not only trying, you’re not only just read, you’re just reading it, you’re also trying to understand what their their original meaning was, like, did they? Did they mean it that way? Or did they mean it another way? So there’s a little bit of a like localisation trying to go on your in your head whilst you’re reading these things where they have phrases, like, I don’t know, “the butterfly never sinks twice”. And you’re like, what does, what does that, what does that mean?
Georgie 28:07
So is this like something that was published online? And like, it wasn’t an actual book? Right?
Geoff 28:13
Good question.
Georgie 28:14
Because because I know a couple of, quote unquote, books, novels, whatever stories like that online, you know, somewhere in the realm of fanfiction, but it was sort of similar because there’d be references to like, Southeast Asian characters, uh, not characters, like, language. And so it’s almost like, part of it was in English.
Geoff 28:39
Yeah.
Georgie 28:40
And part of it was in a different, like a Southeast Asian language. But I think it’s just a product of like, okay, I don’t know, it’s a bit different. I was thinking of something else. This is this is probably like a translation thing, and strange to read. But back in school, my friend wrote this story. That was about relationships. And she deliberately wrote parts of it, like quoting Japanese music or something. So it was kind of like, there was some context for those for those pieces of, those words that weren’t in English.
Geoff 29:21
Yeah. Yeah. Well, they came up with like a Netflix TV show. Oh, by the way, it’s called The King’s Avatar. It’s literally just about like this guy who, who’s like the best eSports like gamer of all time. And he’s on a team that’s kind of declining in in status, like they’ve won three championships in a row and stuff like that. So they’re very high, prestigious team. And they’ve been declining and they basically blame the guy because they think yeah, he’s the captain, so I guess he’s taking most of the blame for it, but he’s like the best player ever. So they’re like kind of kind of tossing up whether or not to kick them out, but they end up kicking him out. And this is a story about him like kind of trying to make his way back because if you retire you have to wait like certain amount of months before you can come back to the pro scene. So, anyways, so they they wrote a book and they came out with this Netflix show. So that was like, that was a little bit... I guess it’s okay to be honest, I was a bit cringe. It was a bit cringe to watch it right after, whilst I was reading the book, or like, just after I was reading the book, but then I waited like, I waited a few months after I finished reading the book, and I kind of forgot about the book so I returned back to the TV show. I was like, okay, this is much more fun. Because, like, and then every now and then like, oh, yeah, I remember that part of the book. Oh, yeah. Remember that part of the book. But like, generally, like, because I had forgotten most of it. TV show was okay.
Georgie 31:03
Yeah, yeah. There’s a TV show that I used to watch when I was like, in early high school, because it was like a kind of teenager coming of age TV show. And it was based on a book, but I didn’t, or like a series of books, but I didn’t know that until after I’d already—
Geoff 31:23
Totally Spies.
Georgie 31:24
Nope. I feel like you might not know it, but actually, I think it was filmed in Western Australia.
Geoff 31:32
Ah, how do you spell it? Sorry.
Georgie 31:34
It’s called Lockie Leonard.
Geoff 31:36
Lockie... Interesting. No, I don’t think I’ve heard this before.
Georgie 31:42
Okay, so it’s like, it’s about this guy who’s going through school. And you know, for like, he has a crush on this girl. And it’s also about his funny family on it. It touches on some like, kind of more like deeper things. Like I think his mum goes through depression. And his younger brother is trying to stop wetting the bed. And his dad is a policeman. And he’s kind of strange, sometimes he does weird things. And he’s just trying to get through school, going through puberty. And it came up on TV, I started watching it, and I enjoyed it. Because it’s quite funny. It’s Australia, like the actual TV show.
Geoff 32:25
You watch a lot of Australian stuff.
Georgie 32:27
I also listen to a lot of Australian music. But yeah, I didn’t know was based on a book series. And I just found the TV show entertaining, and funny. And it was just like a 20 minute thing, like on weekdays or whatever. I even had it on like, DVD. So afterwards, I actually read the book. The books, sorry. Which is I think it’s like the, I think it’s also called Lockie Leonard by Tim Winton, who is also a—
Geoff 32:56
Oh I know the name. Tim Winton, why do I know Tim Winton?
Georgie 33:01
He wrote, what’s it called, Stormbreaker? Or...
Geoff 33:04
Oh, no way. Did he? Tim Winton books...
Georgie 33:12
Yes. So when I read the books, I would say that in the books, the protagonist is probably a little bit, cuz I’m gonna say that the books will probably M rated. Because the sexual content was like, there was some sexual content.
Geoff 33:33
Woah, woah.
Georgie 33:34
And, and he’s a bit more like, it’s a bit more, I don’t know, just the books felt kind of boring in comparison to the television show, which is obviously supposed to be family friendly, and fun and funny. And his crush on this girl is like, they just kiss. There’s like, no sexual, obviously. But they also, the characters that they put in the TV show like his parents, and like they have this pet sheep, and his brother, like all of that, was not, kind of wasn’t really in the book at all. Like in the book, it was just about him surfing and this girl.
Geoff 34:10
Oh, no.
Georgie 34:11
No, no. Like, I was like, whoa, so it’s actually, kind of didn’t really like the book at all. And I was like, but the TV show is actually really good. And so it’s like, you were saying, you gotta give credit where credit’s due they kind of use it as inspiration and really based like, they still based it in Australia and stuff. But it was just like, they did something else with it. And I really appreciate that. And I thought it was done really well.
Geoff 34:35
Yeah, I mean, sometimes they should just, they should just rename the show. Like...
Georgie 34:39
Yeah.
Geoff 34:40
Just have it inspired by book X and you’re just like, you go off on your own adventure. It, it’s kinda like—
Georgie 34:49
I think it said it was based on like, but they still called it the same thing, yeah.
Geoff 34:53
Yeah. It’s kind of like, had a conversation about Star Wars, right? We all love talking about Star Wars.
Georgie 35:02
Oh my god.
Geoff 35:04
Yeah.
Georgie 35:04
Nick is the biggest Star Wars fan.
Geoff 35:06
Really?
Georgie 35:06
And he has opinions.
Geoff 35:08
He should probably not listen to this podcast then. So basically, I—for full, for full disclosure, I don’t remember all of Star Wars. I watched it all. It’s just not that good.
Georgie 35:25
(laughs) Go on.
Geoff 35:25
Right. So the world is interesting. I gotta give it that. Anyways, I watched it once I watched it in, you’re meant to watch it in a certain sequence. I know the sequence, but I chose to watch it...
Georgie 35:40
Maybe... I wouldn’t say meant to...
Geoff 35:43
Yeah, see, see, see. Nick would say you’re meant to watch it in a certain sequence. But I watched it one, two, three, four, five, six. I watched it sequentially. And you’re not supposed to do that. Because some things sound really weird.
Georgie 36:00
Yeah.
Geoff 36:01
For one, for one and four, because it started with four or five, six. In four, they’re, they’re like, we don’t know each other, like Darth Vader. No one knows who Darth Vader is. But then in one, two, three, of course, they all know who Darth Vader is, because they’re, the one like growing up. And he’s like, “I’ve become Darth Vader. Oh, no”. Anyways, so was it one through to six and my friends are like, man, you should have stopped at six. You should have went, just went four five, six, and not watch one, two or three or any of the other movies. I think I’ve watched up to seven. Or, wait... seven or eight. Anyways.
Georgie 36:39
There’s yeah, there’s nine.
Geoff 36:40
There’s nine. So I think I’ve watched, I think I have watched nine all nine of them. But anyways, the point is, the world is so big. And there’s like so many other things to do. Why, why are you constantly trying to keep the same characters around and try, why are you trying to keep like, keep bringing them back in. Like the new one Obi Wan Kenobi that’s coming out.
Georgie 37:05
Yeah. Have you watched the Mandalorian?
Geoff 37:07
Yeah, so the Mandalorian is something similar to that where they did a side, but they’ve done nine movies, and they’re gonna keep the gonna what, is there a tenth movie? I don’t know.
Georgie 37:18
No, I think that’s...
Geoff 37:19
Oh, I think they ended on the nine one.
Georgie 37:22
I think that’s possibly like literally the end. That’s it.
Geoff 37:25
Yeah.
Georgie 37:25
Unless someone pulls something out of fucking nowhere.
Geoff 37:28
Yeah, the sentiment is like, yeah, they should have done that a long time ago. Like they should have just done four, five, six and then gone off on, gone and done spin offs of each of the characters, like they’re doing now. They’re doing this now? Like, three years? Three, three times three. Nine, ten, years later.
Georgie 37:44
Wait, yeah, but I think that’s why I don’t know if you know this, but like, there’s also depending on which bloody year you were born in, or what you’re you’re born in, like different, like trilogies of Star Wars? Like do you like the prequel or the original? So the prequel is one, two, three. The original is four, or five, six, and the sequel is seven, eight, nine, which a lot of the fucking kids like these days because it came out when they were.
Geoff 38:07
Yeah, true.
Georgie 38:08
Yeah. And, like, I don’t know who’s saying that they should have...
Geoff 38:14
Oh, I mean, the people love four, five six, I think they they’re a four-five-sixer.
Georgie 38:19
So it’s not a shared sentiment amongst everybody. It’s like I reckon those are like I think there’s like true diehard like kind of fans who like really chide the seven, eight, nine, because it’s just nope, it’s just nope. You know, like it’s...
Geoff 38:32
Actually what was the other show that was... Oh yeah, Toy Story. Oh my god, Toy Story.
Georgie 38:37
Wait, I haven’t seen Toy Story 3.
Geoff 38:42
Oh what, you haven’t seen Toy Story 3?!
Georgie 38:44
Yeah.
Geoff 38:44
Geez, okay, okay, that’s fine. I won’t spoil Toy Story 3. But—
Georgie 38:48
I know it’s sad that, like there’s people crying.
Geoff 38:51
I don’t know if I could I could watch it again without...
Georgie 38:55
Woah, Geoff.
Geoff 38:55
Without being...
Georgie 38:56
You, emotional?
Geoff 38:58
Yeah I know, I know. So Toy Story, they came up with Toy Story 4, right and and like, it is a bloody, it’s atrocious, like why did you even call this Toy Story 4? But I kind of get that they created a Toy Story that, for the for the new generation...
Georgie 39:18
Yes.
Geoff 39:18
To get, to get into Toy Story. But it’s one of those things where I thought you know what, like, why bother calling it Toy Story 4? It, it literally almost has nothing to do with the, like, the Toy Story 1, 2 and 3 timeline. So just call it Toy Story something else, like, why did you why did you need to call it 4?
Georgie 39:41
Yeah.
Geoff 39:42
Same with the Fast and Furious, jeez man. Like Fast and Furious 9001 now. I’ve, I’ve given up. What was the last fast I think I’ve watched Fast and Furious Five was the last one, Fast Five was the last one I watched. But oh my god, you can they stop?
Georgie 40:01
Do they keep doing this with the Oceans as well? Oceans?
Geoff 40:03
Oh, man. See, I didn’t get into the Oceans.
Georgie 40:06
Well, I didn’t get into it either. I think I’ve watched like two of them and probably got dragged into it. But...
Geoff 40:11
Yeah.
Georgie 40:12
Yeah.
Geoff 40:12
Oh, right, I read an article so I’m gonna watch Secrets of Dumbledore, The Fantastic Beasts and Secrets of Dumbledore tonight. And I’m like, can, like I read something along the lines of essentially, this is a this is a travesty of a series, because like, they almost have nothing connecting them besides the main character and I feel like they keep calling it Fantastic Beasts so so that they so they can keep like, Eddie—
Georgie 40:49
Harry Potter fans?
Geoff 40:49
And Eddie like, all the way through it, like keep him keep.
Georgie 40:54
I don’t know, I haven’t seen it.
Geoff 40:54
Anyways, I can’t even remember what this article was about in terms of like, why it’s bad. But yeah, it feels, every, everything about it feels forced. And yeah, it’s not getting good reviews. What was it, fantastic beasts... I think people are basically watching it to see like the World of Harry Potter again and again and again. Which is wait, there’s a book? It’s a book?
Georgie 41:23
Yeah, Fantastic Beasts.
Geoff 41:24
Oh my god, it’s yeah. Oh, yeah. She wrote one, I remember. I remember.
Georgie 41:28
Bro.
Geoff 41:29
Yeah, JK Rowling wrote this. Got it. Got it. 47 man. 6.4. Anyways, gonna watch it tonight.
Georgie 41:38
Oh, speaking of like, things that should be left alone. We should probably actually, we should probably just end this fucking episode.
Geoff 41:46
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know what should be left alone? This podcast. So yeah. Don’t forget to follow us on @toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter, mostly Twitter.
Georgie 42:04
And you can find us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, and the sequel to this podcast—and there’s just keep being to the episodes until we get tired of making them because that’s just how it works.
Geoff 42:18
Yeah. Next, next time on Toast & Roast.
Georgie 42:23
We don’t even know what we’re talking about next time.
Geoff 42:26
The end. See you next week.
Georgie 42:28
Bye!