Geoff tells the tale of his first real concert experience, from arriving to survivng the mosh, and the debate on the concept of encores.
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Geoff tells the tale of his first real concert experience, from arriving to survivng the mosh, and the debate on the concept of encores.
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Geoff 0:00
Hi and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. And as always I’m here, oh I’m Geoff, by the way. I forgot. As always I’m here with Georgie, G G G G.
Georgie 0:28
Hello.
Geoff 0:29
Oh yeah, pardon the voice it may start to like crack because I went to a concert last night for the first time in forever.
Georgie 0:39
Was it Eskimo Joe?
Geoff 0:42
Thankfully not for another, for a third time. Mistakenly.
Georgie 0:45
Was it ICEHOUSE, because they were here recently?
Geoff 0:48
Serious, ICEHOUSE? They’re always here, they live here.
Georgie 0:53
Oh wait no you’re right, what the fuck.
Geoff 0:56
Saw them down at the IGA at the RSL.
Georgie 1:00
No, that’s actually, I think you’re right. I think they were actually playing at some RSL. Wait, you saw them at an RSL.
Geoff 1:05
I did see them at an RSL. No I went to see Boys Like Girls, if anyone knows them, Boys Like Girls, admittedly, it is my partner’s favourite band. And—
Georgie 1:20
Yeah.
Geoff 1:21
We’ve been listening to a few of their songs. Well, since we got together and yeah, it’s quite good. They’re like in the same line of Simple Plan, Good Charlotte, not—
Georgie 1:36
So bands I hate.
Geoff 1:38
Oh, really? You don’t like that genre? Panic at the Disco?
Georgie 1:41
Panic at—Panic at the Disco is like one dude now and he doesn’t sing punk.
Geoff 1:46
Serious. That’s weird?
Georgie 1:48
I think he does like his own like, jazzy kind of shit. It’s different, but he still uses Panic at the Disco, but it’s just one guy and I think it’s a bit sorry, I didn’t mean jazzy I meant more like there’s a bit of EDM vibes kind of.
Geoff 2:01
Oh trying, I mean, artists evolve and you can go listen to podcast on that.
Georgie 2:07
So like I think I mean, I don’t actually listen to good Charlotte but I didn’t find them very interesting back when I was in school. Simple Plan was—
Geoff 2:16
You’re not emo. You’re not emo enough.
Georgie 2:19
Good Charlotte isn’t even emo bro. They are like so far from emo. They’re basically—
Geoff 2:25
No they’re not.
Georgie 2:27
Yeah, they are. They’re basically like, semi Green Day, but not.
Geoff 2:32
Pop punk, punk rock, look that Wikipedia says emo, heavy metal, pop punk, punk rock.
Georgie 2:38
Okay, maybe I just wasn’t into them. But I did listen to Simple Plan and it’s just amusing how that didn’t age very well.
Geoff 2:47
No, they’re just a couple of whiny boys really.
Georgie 2:49
Do you ever feel like breaking down!
Geoff 2:50
Welcome to my life!
Georgie 2:57
Very funny though, that like the the amount of music that does, like not age well. Anyway, I haven’t heard of Boys Like Girls.
Geoff 3:04
Yeah.
Georgie 3:05
Apart from you mentioning them.
Geoff 3:06
So yeah, went out to Boys Like Girls. It was. It was it was good to go. It’s a good experience. I think going back to like concerts. You’ve been to like a million of them. But—
Georgie 3:17
Where were you, where it was it?
Geoff 3:19
Oh, yeah. University of New South Wales.
Georgie 3:23
Oh, Roundhouse.
Geoff 3:24
The Roundhouse. Yeah.
Georgie 3:25
Roundhouse is an interesting spot. Like it’s semi in the middle of nowhere.
Geoff 3:29
Yeah.
Georgie 3:30
Not too far from and I could probably drive.
Geoff 3:33
Haha you can walk?
Georgie 3:33
I can—no, I cannot walk. Like, it’s kind of like closer to me. Whereas I just remember when I was younger, it was just so out of the way because he had to get multiple public transport to get there.
Geoff 3:44
Yeah.
Georgie 3:45
But as a venue, it’s kind of, it’s pretty good. Like, it’s kind of comfortable. It’s like it—so it’s actually a uni, a university kind of bar or venue.
Geoff 3:56
It’s literally as as they call it, The Round House. It’s just this big round rounding building. They put a stage on one side of the roundness and they make it squarish and then use—
Georgie 4:08
There’s a balcony bit as well.
Geoff 4:08
...the round part. Yeah, balcony too.
Georgie 4:12
So yeah, I was gonna ask you like, did you get like seats or like general admission, but then they don’t have seats.
Geoff 4:18
That’s what I was like, thinking like I said, I don’t know, is there gonna be seats. Is there going to be... or there are no seats. The tickets had a seat number on them, but I assume that’s just because the system itself needed a seat on it. Like they said seat 3. Like okay, seat 3 is probably not actually seated.
Georgie 4:41
Also, like Roundhouse is like, I would say a more intimate space. Like it’s not like stadium, it’s like, not, it’s kind of it’s kind of nice. Like I’ve seen both local like Australian bands and like international bands there.
Geoff 4:55
The last time I went to a band was—
Georgie 4:59
(laughs) Eskimo Joe.
Geoff 4:59
Eskimo Joe. See, I forgot who they were. Eskimo Joe. And they had standing tables. They had like a table and you kind of stand next to it.
Georgie 5:06
Was that a stadium?
Geoff 5:08
No, for that one. It was more of an RSL. God we drove really far to see it.
Georgie 5:15
Really? When did you see them? Because I thought they were a bigger deal like stadium type?
Geoff 5:22
Yeah. 2000... early 2000s, early 2010s
Georgie 5:30
Like when they did The Black Fingernails, Red Wine?
Geoff 5:33
No, no. When was this song? 20, 2006? Early, early 20... No was it five years? Six years? Seven? Anyway, so that was the last venue was an RSL with standing tables and that, the, Black Fingernails, Red Wine. Eskimo Joe.
Georgie 5:48
Yeah.
Geoff 5:50
Anyway, so we rock up. So as always, this stuff is really awkward. Because the... they open at 7:30 to go in.
Georgie 6:01
(laughs) Wait pause. I think is so funny, right? Because like, clearly I have like, miles of concert experience. And so hearing it was just funny. But yeah, go on.
Geoff 6:13
Yeah. The, it’s awkward, because this stuff starts at like 7:30 and you live X amount of time away. So in order to get a reasonable location inside the venue, being there’s no seating assigned. You know, you have to figure out what the hell to eat. So we went, I went downstairs during during the afternoon and I picked up some Breadtop-esque—Asian bread for those who don’t have a Breadtop—is Breadtop global?
Georgie 6:48
I think it is. It’s I’ve seen some in Indonesia and Singapore.
Geoff 6:52
Holy crap.
Georgie 6:54
But I think it was started in Asia probably.
Geoff 6:57
Store list. New South Wales. Holy crap. They have, well, I mean, I knew they had a lot but looking at it and a list.
Georgie 7:05
Yeah, they I feel like they do have quite a few. So they’re all around Australia. But I have seen, I have seen them in Asia. But that’s not surprising, because they they’re from somewhere in Asia.
Geoff 7:16
Yeah. Anyways, so I go to an Asian bread store. And then I pick up some stuff just to eat. So again, get in the car, like 5:30 ish after work. But I’m still on my break. So it doesn’t really matter to me. But (laughs)
Georgie 7:35
(laughs)
Geoff 7:35
We jet set, We jet set and I’m like, we take tolls, right. We’ll go down there. But it’s it’s pretty awkward timing. Like, you can’t really get a dinner in, depending on where you come from.
Georgie 7:46
Okay, I’m going to talk about this as a veteran.
Geoff 7:49
Yeah, what do you do, I’m curious?
Georgie 7:51
Yeah. So usually there’s a support act for the band, right?
Geoff 7:56
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 7:57
Yeah. So I assume you’ve either had one or two—
Geoff 7:58
Oh my god. Okay.
Georgie 8:01
Can I just say—
Geoff 8:02
I’m gonna bring up who the guy—
Georgie 8:03
Oh my god was it Red Jumpsuit?
Geoff 8:05
Red Jumpsuit.
Georgie 8:07
Red Jumpsuit Apparatus?
Geoff 8:07
Yeah, it was Red Jumpsuit.
Georgie 8:08
I know, some drama with Red Jumpsuit Apparatus.
Geoff 8:11
All right. Okay, pull it back, pull it back.
Georgie 8:13
Pull it back. Support acts though, right, as someone who really loves music and used to go to a lot of concerts and photograph concerts, want to say is pretty important. Or you really want to support the support acts by also going to see them. But, and I understand if you’re, you got other plans, you have, like, can’t be bothered, you want to eat your dinner and take your time, then, you know, if you missed the support acts and you just arrive at, you know, oftentimes, it’s, it can be anywhere from eight to like 10:30 that the main act comes on. And this is why I love the set times because I like to know when to expect the event to finish as well because fucking I’m not a I’m not a night owl. I hate going out. So I like to know when to I can expect to be home. But that also determines you know, what I do with food. Like if I’m, if it’s, if the venue, the venue, location is important. So Roundhouse last time we went there, we actually just kind of ate something at the uni.
Geoff 9:11
Maccas, it’s right there.
Georgie 9:12
Yeah, it’s, but also every other punk emo kid is going to have the same idea. So that’s something to keep in mind as well.
Geoff 9:19
Punk emo kids. (laughs) These are all 20, mid-20, late-20s people.
Georgie 9:23
So it depends on the venue of the venue somewhere in the city where there’s lots of food options, and then you can walk to the venue afterwards, then, you know, maybe organise to eat something somewhere in the city. I think it’s rare that I eat something at home beforehand, unless the venue is like super close, like across—that’s not going to happen. But unless the venue is like super close, or if I can be comfortable. Like maybe I don’t want to see the support bands and then just eat my dinner at home and then go over there. So I think it depends on where the venue actually is and where I, where I live in relation to it.
Geoff 10:04
Yeah, so prepared some food got there basically ate it in the line. That’s what we did, decide to bring the food to the line and just eat there. But so, funny thing about the support act, so I—
Georgie 10:23
(laughs) Did you know them?
Geoff 10:23
No I had no fucking clue.
Georgie 10:24
I know how you feel. Yeah, well I can tell my story after yours.
Geoff 10:28
So, um, so they come on after loads of waiting? And—
Georgie 10:35
Of course, because the doors open and there’s usually half an hour or more before anyone else comes on.
Geoff 10:40
That was, that was it like, wait, doors open 7:30. We waited maybe an hour ish.
Georgie 10:50
Yeah.
Geoff 10:50
For them to come on. I’ll tell my, I’ll talk about my theory later, but essentially they came on and they’re playing. And three, maybe four songs—a lot more songs than I were, am willing to admit—realised that these weren’t Boys Like Girls.
Georgie 11:14
Uh, Geoff!
Geoff 11:14
In the back of my mind, on some level, I knew there was a supporting act. I knew but I didn’t know the name of the supporting act. Oh, I got told it by like garbage in garbage out. And like they’re singing. I’m like, I don’t know any of these songs. Because Boys Like Girls are actually coming over here to play their first album, the first album they ever, they ever did. And we listened to the first album quite a few times.
Georgie 11:41
Oh it’s like a commemoration, yeah, yeah.
Geoff 11:43
But the thing is, it got pushed out for two years. Like kind of like your your—
Georgie 11:47
Yeah, Marianas Trench.
Geoff 11:48
Yeah. Yeah. Mary and her trench.
Georgie 11:52
(laughs) Fuck.
Geoff 11:52
So...
Georgie 11:55
Wait, how did you find that? Like, did they go, “Hey, we’re Red Jumpsuit Apparatus”.
Geoff 11:58
Yes, yeah. By the end of like, the third or fourth song, I’m like, oh my god. This is not Boys Like Girls because they keep referring. They said “thank you to Boys Like Girls”.
Georgie 12:10
Yeah. They will always say that.
Geoff 12:11
And I thought, they can’t be free to themselves in third person. That’s a bit strange. Oh, they’re not Boys Like Girls, oh shit. So then they say we’re Red, we’re Red Jumpsuit Apparatus.
Georgie 12:24
It’s totally like a rookie thing. Like you probably—
Geoff 12:28
Yes, yeah.
Georgie 12:29
Anyone who’s like new to concerts, like when I hadn’t been to one and I was asking my friend about it, I said, “so how long do they play for, like five hours?” And she’s like, “Oh, no.” She’s like, “they play for like one”.
Geoff 12:40
Yeah. That’s unreasonable. (laughs)
Georgie 12:41
And then she explained the support. Yeah, I didn’t think about it. I was just like, but they got so much music, they’ll play for hours, right? It’s like, uhhh.
Geoff 12:48
You see the ticket, right? You see the ticket from 7:30 till midnight. And you’re like, whoa.
Georgie 12:52
Yeah.
Geoff 12:53
That’s some pretty—I mean, I’m not a professional singer. Sure. They’ll play for five hours.
Georgie 12:58
Oh, the longest, the band I’ve seen play for the longest time, which was like almost three hours straight.
Geoff 13:06
Holy shit.
Georgie 13:06
...was The Foo Fighters.
Geoff 13:07
Wow.
Georgie 13:08
They just kept going. They just keep going. They have so much energy, Dave Grohl at the end. And—
Geoff 13:13
I think I’ve seen Foo Fighters.
Georgie 13:15
You have?
Geoff 13:16
I think I have. Yeah.
Georgie 13:18
This is part of, this is the part of the podcast where Geoff just suddenly says he’s seen like all of these—he’s gonna say “I’ve seen the Beatles”.
Geoff 13:27
Yeah, yeah. I sat front row to Taylor Swift.
Georgie 13:32
Wait. Really?
Geoff 13:33
No, no. (laughs)
Georgie 13:37
(laughs) “I touched her hand!”
Geoff 13:40
“Beyonce sweat on me. Panic at the Disco spat on me”. So yeah, so I’m like, oh my god. How did I not realise this wasn’t—
Georgie 13:52
Doesn’t it say on the ticket?
Geoff 13:54
I didn’t read the ticket.
Georgie 13:55
Supported by...
Geoff 13:57
Let’s be real.
Georgie 13:59
Are they good live? Red Jumpsuit?
Geoff 14:00
Red suit jump, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. Yeah, I think I think like, what’s that word? Objectively? Yeah, objectively, he sang quite well, and he hit pretty much all his notes. Long, high. Low. They brought a screamer on to the stage.
Georgie 14:22
Okay.
Geoff 14:23
They brought a kid who essentially to, scream did the screamo during the song and I’m like, okay.
Georgie 14:33
Interesting.
Geoff 14:34
Yeah, pretty interesting. But yeah, no joke. So first three songs. I’m like, I have no fucking clue what they’re singing. And then everybody else was singing along. I’m just like, okay.
Georgie 14:47
Because they know them.
Geoff 14:49
They know them. Yep. And then they were making they did this little story thing. Sorry for spoilers here, anybody’s going to see Red Jumpsuit Apparatus.
Georgie 14:57
Wait, what’s a, what’s a spoil—they always talk. Like I mean, a good, I find it entertaining when artists like talk and tell stories and shit.
Geoff 15:03
Yeah, yeah. So his story is essentially his mum calls him up. And he says, and she’s been watching Vampire Diaries, and says “they played one of your songs”, and he goes through “Is it is it Face Down?” And she’s like, “No”. And he’s like, “Is it Guardian?” And she’s like, “No”. And he’s like, “Mom, you don’t even know my music anyways, those are the songs, only songs everybody knows”. And then she, she says, “Well, it’s actually”—what’s the song, to something? Cat and Mouse, I think it was Cat and Mouse that got played. And everyone’s like “aaaah”, they started singing and I’m like, I don’t understand any of the lyrics to these songs.
Georgie 15:48
You know like, it’s so funny because like, I love these stories, right? And I can imagine if I was a fan, like a big fan, I know that song, but like, and I listened to them like back in yeah, 2004, 2005, 2006. But if I was a really big fan, and I was at that concert. And they they told that story, and they say Cat and Mouse and if I liked that, or I would, you know, I would just be like, I would be like “aaah”. I would just, like I’ve done that many times at concerts though.
Geoff 16:12
That’s fair.
Georgie 16:14
I really like, yeah.
Geoff 16:15
It’s a good one. If I knew the song I’d probably be like “oh, sweet, we are listening to Cat and Mouse”.
Georgie 16:20
You just get really excited. I think I told you this one. But like when I saw Weezer, they played Island in the Sun for the encore. And the way he introduced it was like, “we got one more song left”. And I think he said “we love Australia. Because you guys are our little island in the sun” and I was just like, I was literally the front row
Geoff 16:40
You just lost it.
Georgie 16:41
I was just scream—yes, screaming, like screaming, crying. What’s that thing they say online? “Screaming crying throwing up” or whatever it is.
Geoff 16:49
I swear the girls behind us were doing that same thing. Jesus Christ. I don’t even know, I can’t even remember if it was red, for Red Jumpsuit Apparatus or it was Boys Like Girls, but they were screaming at the same pitch. So it just amplified the fuck out of their voice and I was like, holy shit. I didn’t want to cover my ears. I don’t think that would have helped, they were just utter sirens.
Georgie 17:18
Although just as general thing, like you know, like, I think it’s a good idea to bring like ear plugs like the soft earplugs.
Geoff 17:26
I saw someone with some fancy ass ones because like they look like they’re ones you go to concerts—
Georgie 17:30
My friend showed—was it like circles like the little...?
Geoff 17:34
They’re like kind of like ring, there’s like a gold ring or siler ring or metal ring?
Georgie 17:37
Yeah. Yeah. My friend told me about it, what was it called, I think it was called like Loop or something. Loop earphones? Ear plugs? They do quite nice.
Geoff 17:47
Yeah, yeah something like these. Oh man.
Georgie 17:50
Yeah. So they got a few different types for like you know sleeping, some for like yeah, just like concerts and things like that.
Geoff 17:55
This is a definition of like this looks exactly like the same marketing as your as your shower cap. This is like—
Georgie 18:05
Oh the showercap!
Geoff 18:05
The cap, like that’s what it looks like.
Georgie 18:07
The hero image, the na na na.
Geoff 18:09
Yeah. Noise... Cool. I think she had the black with the gold ring. And then tomorrow.... X Tomorrowland experience.
Georgie 18:19
So you feel good. Like yeah, you don’t have to look like dorky with like sponges of orange in your ears.
Geoff 18:24
Yeah. Anyway.
Georgie 18:26
Yeah.
Geoff 18:27
So they like, “we’re Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, thanks for having us out”, and I’m like, oh my god, there—
Georgie 18:34
I bet I bet Boys Like Girls came on and that screaming was even louder.
Geoff 18:38
Oh my god. They screamed even when the stage guys were coming up on the stage.
Georgie 18:44
Everyone gets so excited.
Geoff 18:45
Yeah. But it’s really cool. They they raised this banner at the back and it said Boys Like Girls all over it. And when—
Georgie 18:52
You know what’s funny, Geoff, is like I’ve seen this so many times that it’s just like standard. (laughs) Cool story bro.
Geoff 19:00
(laughs) Yeah, so anyways, so they’re playing and I’m like sweet, we we, me and my partner. We tried to guess what song they would open with.
Georgie 19:12
Yeah. Oh, it’s so hard. I think it’s easier to guess the encore. Wait did they do the album like straight, like beginning to end, is that the way they did it?
Geoff 19:19
Yeah, they did the whole album. And they actually did some of their second and third album. I wasn’t too familiar with that. So I realised that once I stopped understanding the songs, I was like, oh they’re probably playing some some songs in the other—
Georgie 19:35
What do you mean? You didn’t remember the entire tracklisting if they played it in order?
Geoff 19:39
Oh no. I mean, the first album, I, I—
Georgie 19:42
Yeah, but then after that?
Geoff 19:43
I knew, but after that. I didn’t know when the first album ended. And when they started singing other songs. Because I know maybe one or two from the other albums anyways, so Boys Like Girls come on, blam, like, it—they started with The Great Escape which is the one I guessed, because they’re coming to Australia, like Australia’s The Great Escape. So it was really good. I think they sang really well. They did mash ups.
Georgie 20:16
Yeah.
Geoff 20:16
Because of course, you can’t just sing an album back to back.
Georgie 20:20
Yeah you can. What do you, wait? You mean like?
Geoff 20:23
Like every song three minutes back to back, how many songs are there? I guess you could.
Georgie 20:27
When I, when I saw Weezer they literally played their album beginning to end. Like that’s about an hour or so.
Geoff 20:34
Okay. I guess they did but they did some mashups which is kind of cool. Maybe they did sing every song full end to end.
Georgie 20:43
Well, it depends how the how the concert was like, promoted like was it promoted as like, playing, like, did they literally say on the promo material “playing this album from”?
Geoff 20:55
Dunno. I didn’t look at it.
Georgie 20:56
Don’t even remember.
Geoff 20:56
I didn’t even see it. I just my partner had the tickets prior so just inherited. So the the fun stuff, fun stuff. They brought out mic stands that had a holder along the side for a bunch of picks.
Georgie 21:15
Oh yeah?
Geoff 21:15
And I thought that was really interesting, cus—they look custom, but maybe you can buy them.
Georgie 21:19
I’ve seen it before.
Geoff 21:20
Yeah. But the main singer was throwing them like it was going out of fashion he would play like, I don’t know, five bars and he’d just chuck it into the audience. He would strum once and chuck it in the audience.
Georgie 21:33
What the heck?
Geoff 21:36
(laughs) He had like a whole metre of just picks on the side of his of his of his stand, mic stand.
Georgie 21:41
Did you get one?
Geoff 21:42
I did get one.
Georgie 21:45
Oh you did.
Geoff 21:45
And my partner is so chuffed. (laughs) Use the most Australian word, excited. She was super excited.
Georgie 21:52
Chuffed is a good word.
Geoff 21:53
Yeah.
Georgie 21:53
Yeah, I like that word. Yeah.
Geoff 21:55
I picked it up. And I, she looked at my hand. She was like, “Oh my God”, and she’d like carefully put it in my pocket and it stayed the entire thing. And so he was chucking picks, they brought on, they brought on like cases for them to stand on, it was all pretty cool. Something that I found really annoying, though, was that I was second row. And I could get some pretty good photos. But I didn’t have a good camera to take those photos. And it was just like, oh, man, if I had—
Georgie 22:30
Work with what you got.
Geoff 22:33
So for reference, I have the iPhone 12 Mini and it only has wide angle lenses. Like, so when I’m standing there. All I got I got really cool, like stage shots. And I got really cool. Yeah, really cool stage shots. But as soon as I tried to take, you know that classic, they’re standing there with the microphones and the smoke, the light. And then they’re like singing, that standing shot. I just couldn’t take it. Like, I, I try, I zoom and I lose all, all, all quality. And the lighting is dim so low light.
Georgie 23:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know this.
Geoff 23:17
I just, oh, man. So even if I take it, I won’t be happy with it like, so. It was pretty, it was pretty annoying. But other than that, yeah, it was really, really good show. They had a, they had a new guy, the new guy who, the bassist was a new guy that had joined them for the past seven shows. And have you heard of this thing called—what is it called, actually, when they drink beer out of a shoe?
Georgie 23:49
Shoey!
Geoff 23:50
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 23:50
Did they do it?
Geoff 23:52
Yeah look, I had no idea this was a thing.
Georgie 23:55
It’s a thing. It’s a thing. And like I don’t know where it originated. But it’s a thing in like sport—
Geoff 23:59
Holy crap. It’s a sport thing. Yeah.
Georgie 24:02
It’s pretty gross.
Geoff 24:03
Champagne.
Georgie 24:04
When we—yeah, we were at—I don’t know where it came from. Because Nick watches Formula One. If the Australian guy’s on the podium, he’ll, he’ll probably do a shoey. But when we were at Marianas Trench people were shouting, shoey, shoey, shoey, shoey, shoey. And he didn’t get it. Like I mean, they’re from Canada—didn’t get it. And so I think the bassist said to the lead singer, oh it’s you know, when you put a beer in, you couldn’t quite hear him because he moved away from the microphone, you put beer in your shoe and drink, and he’s like, “Oh, that’s gross”. And I think it would have been so cool if he did, as some kind of weird homage to like Australia or whatever. But he didn’t. Just, I mean it is fucking gross.
Geoff 24:51
So the lead singer’s like, “you guys have a fucking weird thing where you drink beer out of a shoe”. And they’re like, everyone just—
Georgie 25:03
Screaming?
Geoff 25:04
Yeah I don’t think they were chanting it, but “oh my god”. He goes, “I don’t know what’s up with you guys and this tradition” and then someone throws this shoe onto the stage.
Georgie 25:14
Yeah, yeah. That’s the sign.
Geoff 25:16
Yeah. And then he’s like “this is”—I can’t remember his name—“He’s new. We’ve been pretty good to him. But there’s, I think there needs to be some hazing”. So he picked up the shoe. And he’s like, “Do we have any beer?” and then he’s already holding a beer, and he’s like, pours it into the shoe. And the main singer is just like, oh my god, it’s like the it’s it’s the, sweatiest fuckin dude in the crowd, that you have to drink a shoe, uh, drink a beer out of. And then he drank it, I’m like, oh my god. Like I’m not grossed out about much. But you show me a shoey. I’m like, my god.
Georgie 25:55
Wow, really, now I know how to troll you.
Geoff 25:59
Blood, guts. You can talk about taking a—like Two Girls One Cup. But a shoey. That shit’s just, ugh. It’s, I think it’s the things that are too close to home for me. Like I can actually literally imagine. Like, what that might taste like, like beer and then the smell of shoe, and then if you put them together I’m like, concocting this imagination. Two Girls One Cup? No, no one fucking would know what that is like. And we won’t be linking to that in the show notes.
Georgie 26:37
Actually, probably a warning to probably not look that up. But. Maybe look it up on Urban Dictionary and you get a word definition.
Geoff 26:44
Yeah, yeah. Get a word definition. Yeah. And if you don’t mind the word definition, then go for the visuals. (laughs)
Georgie 26:56
(laughs) I don’t think that’s how you should make that judgment. If you read wor definition, and you imagine it and think you won’t like it, then don’t look up the definition. And then I would say if you read the word definition, and it sounds interesting to you, then you can—
Geoff 27:11
Then we don’t judge.
Georgie 27:14
Yeah, go go for it.
Geoff 27:15
It was like the rickroll—
Georgie 27:16
So—what was that?
Geoff 27:19
It was like the rickroll back in the day. I think. Two Girls—
Georgie 27:21
Yeah, but it was effing gross. Like, it was like, in the era of like shock sites or whatever.
Geoff 27:27
Yes.
Georgie 27:28
Just bad.
Geoff 27:29
Right. So the guy did this shoey. Yeah.
Georgie 27:32
And everyone I assume went wild.
Geoff 27:34
Yeah. But for some reason, I thought, hey, that poor guy who threw the shoe. He’s going to have to walk home without a shoe. But obviously they gave the shoe back.
Georgie 27:44
Wait, did they? They gave it back? They threw it back?
Geoff 27:47
They like, like there’s a crowd of people with their hands up? And they were like, oh, is it your shoe? And they’re like, yeah, and then they threw it back into the crowd.
Georgie 27:54
They literally gave it back.
Geoff 27:56
Yeah, they were only like five rows back.
Georgie 27:57
Because like, I don’t know, assume someone like threw their bra. Would they get the, would you ever think that get the bra back? You have to prove it’s your bra?
Geoff 28:07
Yeah. (laughs)
Georgie 28:10
I mean, like, what if you weren’t wearing a bra in the first place?
Geoff 28:13
They can’t throw the bra back then. I mean, like, the thing is, I’m assuming if someone threw a bra on the stage and they wanted it back with something, right? So wipe the sweat, I don’t know. What would, what would a star—
Georgie 28:25
Oh, yeah, like if you if you threw some, like if you threw a garment or something on the stage. What would you want to happen to it?
Geoff 28:31
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 28:32
I think they just sacrifice it though. They want the person—actually no, you’re right. Okay.
Geoff 28:36
You can’t sign it, you’re on stage, so I I’d wipe my face and throw it back, however gross that does sound.
Georgie 28:42
Yeah no, you’re right. I think that’s, that actually makes sense. Like if they just quickly...
Geoff 28:48
Panties might be a little bit stranger but yeah, sure.
Georgie 28:51
It’s like why would you throw panties?
Geoff 28:56
What else fun happened? So, so this dude had way more picks on his stand than everyone else, like the bassist had like I don’t know, max 10, the lead guitarist, max like 10, and he had like 25. He didn’t make it all the way through, surprisingly he didn’t make it way all the way through.
Georgie 29:16
With the way he was giving them—
Geoff 29:16
Yeah threw every other, um bar. Oh other fun things. He changed guitar like—
Georgie 29:25
Oh yeah.
Geoff 29:25
Between most songs. This poor guy like like behind the scenes behind like this makeshift wall.
Georgie 29:32
But did he like swap between them, like it wasn’t a different guitar literally, like it was maybe between three of them or something like he had three or four—
Geoff 29:38
I think he had teah, three different guitars. And there was this guy in the backstage and like tuning it and then they do this, this this rotation transition. It was pretty cool.
Georgie 29:47
Yeah. You gotta do it like between the songs just quite quickly and like...
Geoff 29:51
Yeah,
Georgie 29:52
Yeah, that’s pretty common as well.
Geoff 29:54
That’s good. It’s fun to watch that kind of like exchange happen.
Georgie 29:59
Yeah, oh can I tell the Red—
Geoff 30:01
Yeah, yeah, Red Jumpsuit?
Georgie 30:03
Drama.
Geoff 30:03
Right. I’ll also talk about that after your story.
Georgie 30:07
Yeah, so I, cuz I used to photograph concerts, I knew a lot of other concert photographers. And that was just one guy who was really good. He took really good photos, he took some photos of Red Jumpsuit Apparatus in at a concert and then publish them on social media and like a really big problem that we experienced as concert photographers is people just taking our photos and not giving credit or seeing this photo was by this person. And you know, if you don’t watermark them, it’s even worse. But even when you do watermark them, they’ll just bloody crop it out or whatever. And so literally, someone from Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, because we know apparently that they do their own social media. I don’t know how it is now. But this was maybe about seven years ago, something.
Geoff 30:55
Yeah.
Georgie 30:56
Someone from the band had posted on their Facebook, one of this guy’s pictures, but they’ve cropped out the watermark, and didn’t say where the picture was from. And they were like, oh, yeah, “fucking sick” or something like that. And then what happened was this guy actually just contacted them. Or maybe even left a comment just politely saying, hey, can you add my credit? Like, and, or, like, can you repost that with the watermark not cropped out please, cuz, you know, it’s my picture, and, and he got a rather snarky rude response from we assume the same person or whoever was using the Red Jumpsuit Facebook account at the time. Of course, he wrote a big blog post about it. I think he tried to even follow it up with like, their, what do you call it, like band management or something? And I think it was, it was still not a very good response. And so he decided to just collect all the evidence and write a blog post about how the people in this band are like, not very nice and whatnot. But because it was just it was just not—yeah, it was a really not very nice response. I think there was some swearing and just like—
Geoff 32:08
Wow.
Georgie 32:08
I’m so good. Like, who cares? Like, you know, just disrespectful.
Geoff 32:12
That’s pretty rude. Yeah/
Georgie 32:15
I think he took down all of his photos of the band. Like—
Geoff 32:20
Oooh, scorch.
Georgie 32:20
Just like, I’m not even gonna I’m not even gonna share any of these anywhere, like you don’t deserve it.
Geoff 32:28
Yeah, I think I got kind of that vibe, just from watching them play and how they interacted, was that—
Georgie 32:37
Dickish?
Geoff 32:38
Yeah. Dickish. Like this sense of cockiness. But the funny, the funny thing was, with, with them, it, what was it, the... oh man, so right. So after he told that story about his mum calling him and the song, I was just like, I’ve watched Vampire Diaries. I’m like, “Oh, maybe I do know who they are”. And then they sang that song, I’m like, no, I don’t know that song. And then they, they were like, I know you all guy, all you guys yell “face down” all the time. It’s like, “we’re, we’re not not going to sing it. You will get the song”, and I’m like, that’s that cockiness. Right? Like—
Georgie 33:26
Yeah.
Geoff 33:27
And then they sang, I was like waiting for it. I’m like, okay, this is the major popular song, I’ve got to, I must be able to recognise it. And oh my god, I just did not recognise it when they sang Face Down. We came back to the home and watched it and played the actual video.
Georgie 33:50
Oh did you, did you record it? Oh, no wait, okay.
Geoff 33:52
No, just the video clip.
Georgie 33:54
Yeah, official video.
Geoff 33:55
Yeah, official video. Yeah, I still don’t know who they are. But they have chopped, they’ve topped many charts with that song.
Georgie 34:04
So are you saying that when they they did sing that song but it didn’t sound like the recording? Like it was very—
Geoff 34:09
No, it’s just that I did no idea where the song’s from or what what the song is, I’d never heard the song before.
Georgie 34:14
Oh, OK.
Geoff 34:15
Even the most popular song, like come on, it’s iconic.
Georgie 34:19
I do, I do like, I do wonder though. I haven’t like dug into it. But we were talking like a few episodes ago about like, songs being about love or whatever. I swear that one sounds like it’s about rape or something.
Geoff 34:33
No joke.
Georgie 34:34
Or it just sounds violent. It goes “face down in the dirt. I swear this doesn’t hurt” or something.
Geoff 34:39
That’s true. That’s actually I think what I thought when I heard those lyrics when he was singing it, “face down in the dirt. She said this doesn’t hurt. She said, I finally had enough”. I’m like dude, what kind of lyrics is this?
Georgie 34:52
Yeah. It goes “Do you feel like a man when he push”—
Geoff 34:55
“When you push her around”, yeah. “Do you feel better now as she falls to the ground?” Geez. Yeah. I didn’t I didn’t get a positive on this one. When I was—
Georgie 35:04
It is a good, musically, it’s a good song. But I just, the lyrics just make me squirm. I do wonder if they are like about domestic violence or something.
Geoff 35:15
So. So yeah, yeah. Oh, final song from Boys Like Girls, they implored the audience to put their phones down for the last one.
Georgie 35:24
Ooh, okay. Interesting.
Geoff 35:25
Yeah, he was just like, “you know, our, our first song came out in 2006, before the snappy chats and the tiki toks and the”... And then at the end of the set, he was like, saying things like, oh, like, “we have two options, like option one, we go off the stage, and then we come back for the encore, or option two, we just keep it rolling. Keep it rolling”. So he just keeps going. But keeps singing. I think they do 120, 120 minutes, like two hours.
Georgie 35:59
So they didn’t have an encore but they just played and then they—
Geoff 36:01
They just keep playing.
Georgie 36:03
Yes. So there’s a like an opinion, like, oh, what do you call it, like some division between whether bands should have an encore or not. I think one of my friends said, it’s such a waste of time. Like when you know they’re going to come on, like just fucking finish playing, finish, like go off with a bang, kind of thing. Like, there’s no need for this, like, break. Some artists will like embrace it and be like, “Hey, look, I’m gonna walk off the stage. But you know, just like about, you’re gonna have to make some noise, about a minute later, I’m just gonna come back, then I’ll play a couple more songs”.
Geoff 36:40
(laughs) Wink wink nudge nudge.
Georgie 36:40
And the other thing is that now it creates I guess an expectation that if you see bands do encores, then you sort of expect one. And you’re kind of disappointed when it doesn’t happen. Which happened with Marianas Trench, like I swear like the first two times I saw them they did an encore. But this time, they didn’t. But the last time they played did feel very final because it was also the final song on like, one of their—most of their albums are like concept albums. But it was the final song on an album. It was a very good like, finish. And you can tell when they’re not going to encore because the tech peeps or AV guys will just turn the lights on and play the music and stuff.
Geoff 37:21
Oh man, side story.
Georgie 37:21
So I don’t really know where I stand with the with the encore thing. Like, maybe just tell us, like if you’re gonna do it or not?
Geoff 37:30
“We’ll be back soon, be right back!” Come back. Side side story. When they were like playing that the music, the music before the bands come on. It was so funny. Like, the music would die down and the lights would just so happen to coincide and we’re like, now. Now’s the time. And then like no, they play the next song. Oh god.
Georgie 37:55
No, actually, I think that actually more likely fade the music, like the music will—
Geoff 38:00
They did it twice! They faded the music.
Georgie 38:01
Trolls.
Geoff 38:01
At the end of the song but you know, yeah, if they fade the music in the middle, then you probably know it’s gonna happen.
Georgie 38:07
Maybe secretly someone was, like taking a shit. Like, “oh no wait, no, he’s still in the bathroom!” Just—
Geoff 38:15
My theory is that because you’re at a venue you have to make the, make, like, the audience wait so that they go buy stuff. But that’s a very capitalist cynical take.
Georgie 38:28
Nah but there’s also... so that was your theory. Yeah nah, I think there’s like a lot of like logistically, like there is actually some stuff that needs to be here like handled and done at back and setting up and then...
Geoff 38:38
Oh maybe like, yeah, yeah, they have to set up. Yeah, logistics. Alright, so they get to the last song. He’s like, “has everyone got their tiki toks out of the way?” And everyone’s like, “Yeah!” He said, “Alright. Can we just like do this old school. Everyone put your phones away and then so that you can do stupid shit and won’t end up on the internet?” So everyone put their phones down. And oh my god, that’s when people actually started moshing like they hadn’t moshed the entire time. By the way, if people don’t know moshing, is the act of multiple people jumping up and down and possibly moving left and right in unison. So got dicey. We were second row in—
Georgie 39:27
Oh yeah, of course.
Geoff 39:28
And that’s the reason why we want to get there early and not miss—
Georgie 39:33
Is this your first, first moshpit? First time you’ve been like in that, like in, like right in the mosh?
Geoff 39:39
I think it must...
Georgie 39:41
Yeah.
Geoff 39:42
Yeah it is. It is. I have been to a smaller theatre, like the Enmore theatre, and I, but I stood mostly off to the side—
Georgie 39:49
The side and you don’t get, yeah yeah.
Geoff 39:51
I knew the band though. So everyone started moshing. A couple people throughout the performance had already surfed to the front.
Georgie 40:04
Oh wow.
Geoff 40:04
And the bouncers had bounced them out. Was pretty funny. They would surf to the front, the bouncer would grab them, and then then kick them out, yeah it’s like a machine.
Georgie 40:13
They’ve got to do it.
Geoff 40:14
Yeah. So people were surfing again. My partner had a shoe planted on her face. It wasn’t a kick. It was just—
Georgie 40:24
It gets a bit, it gets a bit gnarly in there.
Geoff 40:26
Yeah, I was doing the best I could damage control like just stopping people from pushing too far forward into my partner. But then like, the waves started coming from the right hand side too. It got really dicey. But it was, it ended well after all of that started.
Georgie 40:49
And it’s not on the internet!
Geoff 40:50
It’s not on the internet. Um, but yeah. I got a few clips, it was pretty good. I of course didn’t want to record much of it, because obviously you’re there to see the band, not your phone screen.
Georgie 41:01
Hey, I do do it sometimes, because I feel like sharing it on social media, or because it’s a song I really like. I’ll be honest, I have kind of watched some of them back, but they’re just small clips.
Geoff 41:16
Yeah.
Georgie 41:16
Obviously nothing beats the real thing.
Geoff 41:17
And that’s kind of it. I, I noted, I know my partner’s favourite songs, and they’re all, so I know when they started singing it, I recorded at least up until the chorus part, and then I dropped off and went on my way listening, enjoying. And that’s it. And my voice is gone.
Georgie 41:40
(laughs)
Geoff 41:40
Good luck to me on my first day at work on Monday. (laughs)
Georgie 41:49
Nobody knows that. When we—
Geoff 41:52
Oh yeah, when we publish this.
Georgie 41:53
There is no time.
Geoff 41:53
There’s no time. When I start work. (laughs) When I go back to work. Don’t worry. People can line this up with social media if they want to. And figure out when we recorded this.
Georgie 42:05
Isn’t that just like, doxxing? (laughs)
Geoff 42:08
(laughs) Nah. Don’t swat me.
Georgie 42:14
What?
Geoff 42:15
You don’t know where I live. Swat? Swatting?
Georgie 42:16
Is that what it is called?
Geoff 42:18
It’s when you call the police and you tell them—
Georgie 42:21
Oh.
Geoff 42:22
That, that person on stream has kidnapped somebody, they swat.
Georgie 42:27
Wait what?
Geoff 42:28
Yeah, yeah yeah. You haven’t heard of this? Yeah.
Georgie 42:30
No?
Geoff 42:31
It’s a Twitch streamers...
Georgie 42:32
Swat is from swat, like the—
Geoff 42:34
Like police SWAT.
Georgie 42:35
Yep, yep.
Geoff 42:36
So Twitch streamers are streaming and people have taken to having fun by figuring out where that person lives.
Georgie 42:47
While they’re streaming?
Geoff 42:48
While they’re streaming. They’ve already figured it out, but while they’re streaming, they’ll call the police, and say this person at that address has like, I don’t know, drug ring, or, or—
Georgie 42:59
Fuck.
Geoff 42:59
Kidnapping, kidnapped somebody, and they bust through the door and arrest the Twitch streamers whilst they’re streaming
Georgie 43:06
While they’re—
Geoff 43:07
Yeah.
Georgie 43:08
But this is kind of like doxxing but in a different way.
Geoff 43:12
It’s like the next level, like once you’ve been doxxed, that’s what people do with the information.
Georgie 43:17
What if you’re not a Twitch streamer?
Geoff 43:19
Well then you don’t get swatted.
Georgie 43:22
Is it cuz there’s no entertainment—
Geoff 43:24
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 43:25
There’s like nothing to get from some...
Geoff 43:28
Yeah.
Georgie 43:29
Just getting to no, to nobody.
Geoff 43:32
(laughs) Just like, “hahaha, sweet! Did they actually go there? No idea”.
Georgie 43:36
(laughs) Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.
Geoff 43:38
What happened when they got arrested? No idea. (laughs) No entertainment. Yeah.
Georgie 43:43
They’re just having a beer with the, with the cop.
Geoff 43:46
Yeah. And you know who’s not having beers with cops? Us! Because we’re ending the episode.
Georgie 43:50
(laughs)
Geoff 43:52
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Georgie 43:56
And you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts, and the big mosh.
Geoff 44:02
Ooh, the big mosh. And new episodes every Monday. So see you next week.
Georgie 44:08
See you next week.
Geoff 44:10
Bye.