Our two co-hosts recount some weird dreams.
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Our two co-hosts recount some weird dreams.
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Georgie:
Geoff:
Geoff 0:00
Hi and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host Geoff and as always, I am here with co host, Georgie.
Georgie 0:17
Hi.
Geoff 0:19
Should we change our names to like co host Geoff, Geoff, co host Chong?
Georgie 0:25
Why?
Geoff 0:26
I don’t know.
Georgie 0:27
Why?
Geoff 0:28
Unnecessary process.
Georgie 0:29
So I have some random news.
Geoff 0:31
Yeah.
Georgie 0:31
The, I don’t remember what episode it was, but I believe we called it “The naked man”.
Geoff 0:37
Oh, yeah. The one where there’s a person outside your window.
Georgie 0:41
That yeah, that apartment is vacant. So if you want to be the next naked person—
Geoff 0:46
Naked man!
Georgie 0:47
...and stroll around in your penthouse around where I live, which where I’m not going to reveal, then that apartment, it has three bedrooms, two bathrooms—
Geoff 0:56
You can see all the bedrooms and all the bathrooms from your window.
Georgie 0:59
Well, I can’t see the bathrooms but I can see the balcony to the living space. The kitchen has an island, I think there’s two two parking spots. There’s there’s an actual bath, the balcony I think is like slightly triangular or something.
Geoff 1:13
Oh gross. No, I don’t do triangular balconies.
Georgie 1:15
Yeah, yeah I know what you mean. It is going for—the views are nice as well. It’s going forth about 1400 a week. Which I don’t think is that great.
Geoff 1:24
Oh, is that just rent?
Georgie 1:25
Yeah, rent.
Geoff 1:26
That’s pretty okay. 1400 a week though, wait, woah, woah. Two bedroom?
Georgie 1:32
Three.
Geoff 1:33
Oh. Okay, that’s that’s kind of reasonable.
Georgie 1:36
Nyeh? Yeah. Ish.
Geoff 1:40
I don’t know if your area is that nice.
Georgie 1:42
Figure out where I live, but, yeah.
Geoff 1:44
So yeah, if you want to show off your junk to Georgie, that sounds like a good opportunity.
Georgie 1:50
Not just me, but to everyone in this building who’s probably looking at in the same direction—
Geoff 1:55
At that one time.
Georgie 1:56
Yep. Anyway.
Geoff 1:58
You can also catch a glimpse of George’s tattoo on her upper right thigh.
Georgie 2:02
Yeah, left thigh.
Geoff 2:04
Left thigh.
Georgie 2:05
Yeah, in the event that I’m actually—what?
Geoff 2:08
Just walking around in a bikini.
Georgie 2:09
Just walking around in a bikini, yeah. (laughs) With the blinds up. How are your blinds? I mean, what did you do about your blinds?
Geoff 2:16
I haven’t done anything about them yet. Why haven’t I done anything about them yet? Is a very good question. Cuz I forget to do things like sell my vacuum cleaner on the weekend. Because I have this podcast I have to get to at three o’clock on a Saturday.
Georgie 2:33
What podcast is it? Maybe I should give it a listen.
Geoff 2:39
It’s nothing important, just two people. Like shitting on things sometimes.
Georgie 2:45
Shitting on things. (laughs) Right.
Geoff 2:48
Just like, ASMR of just poop. (laughs) but yeah, I got this vacuum and it was pretty good deal at the time. But then the Dyson went on sale. And it’s exactly the same price as what I’ve got the other vacuum.
Georgie 3:04
So you got the... miere? The one that I—
Geoff 3:06
Miele.
Georgie 3:07
What is it?
Geoff 3:07
The Miele [me-lay].
Georgie 3:08
Miele, thank you. That one that I couldn’t pronounce.
Geoff 3:11
Yeah.
Georgie 3:13
It’s cute and stuff.
Geoff 3:14
It’s like corded, it’s really powerful. No joke. It’s like a really good vacuum. Just so inconvenient because of the cable.
Georgie 3:23
But you at the time, you were like “I’ll deal with this”.
Geoff 3:26
Yeah, cuz it’s like a two metre long cable and my apartment is not that big. So I can like one length, I can vacuum most of the apartment on, without having to retract it. But you know, it has, you have to make your, your utensils or your tools accessible to more than one person in the apartment. And some people didn’t like that. So—
Georgie 3:51
(laughs) Some people
Geoff 3:53
Some people don’t like—
Georgie 3:54
So you got a Dyson.
Geoff 3:55
So I got a Dyson instead.
Georgie 3:56
Did you get the stick, just—
Geoff 3:57
Yeah, it’s behind me. You can see it. No, it’s not. It’s not behind me.
Georgie 4:00
It’s so not behind you.
Geoff 4:02
(laughs)
Georgie 4:02
Did you hear about, did you see Marques Brownlee’s video about that Dyson filter mask thing?
Geoff 4:09
Oh. Yes, yes. Yeah.
Georgie 4:11
Man, that was the was the weirdest thing.
Geoff 4:12
The mask with the air filter. Is it a glasses? No. It’s headphones.
Georgie 4:18
Yeah.
Geoff 4:18
It’s headphones with an air filter. Yeah.
Georgie 4:21
Yeah. It was weird.
Geoff 4:21
It’s so bad. I looked I saw that. I thought it was an April Fool’s. And I was like that would never work.
Georgie 4:28
Did you watch his review as well?
Geoff 4:29
Yeah, I did watch his review.
Georgie 4:30
It was very good. Like he went through a lot of stuff and why it’s kind of like, why would you do this?
Geoff 4:35
It’s janky.
Georgie 4:35
Like because it’s Dyson. And...
Geoff 4:39
Yeah, so for people who don’t know essentially it’s kind of like big headphones, think the Apple AirPods—
Georgie 4:47
AirPods Max.
Geoff 4:49
...Max or your big Sennheisers or something like that over the over the ears. And it has a connection—magnetic—to place a mouthpiece that spans between one ear cup to the other. And you connect it over over your mouth and nose, I think. And basically they have turbines or something. Dyson, you know, Dyson suck things. So they’re basically trying to clean the air. And then and then pipe the air back to your mouth from the outside. So air comes in through the ear cups, and then cleans and then into your mouth. It’s very strange.
Georgie 5:32
Yeah, I think the the doctor that Marques Brownlee had talk about it on his review, said that it doesn’t, doesn’t really do shit.
Geoff 5:41
Yeah, like, kinda imagine why Dyson thinks that it would have done something.
Georgie 5:46
Yeah. Did he did the doctor say something about wearing a mask? Like just generally speaking, like a fabric or—
Geoff 5:52
I can’t remember.
Georgie 5:55
...versus, I think he might have said it might it’s even worse. Oh, no. He said, um, did he say something about when you’re commuting? And you’re just breathing shit in anyway?
Geoff 6:05
Yeah.
Georgie 6:06
Oh, no, he said something about it’s a distraction that like he tried to take the stance that like when you have over ear headphones, and you’ve got noise cancelling and you can’t hear anything. That’s a risk of that’s more of a risk of you, like, you know, not paying attention to your surroundings and then getting into an accident versus breathing in air that is like unfiltered or something like that.
Geoff 6:27
Yeah, you’d probably likely, you’d likely need less distractions when you’re commuting. And introducing an air filter in front of your mouth is probably not—
Georgie 6:39
It also looked cheap.
Geoff 6:41
Yeah, it looked a plastic toy.
Georgie 6:43
Yeah.
Geoff 6:44
Yeah. And like he said, they’re like enters above and below. So there’s no like, seal around your mouth. And of course, there’s no seal because you could potentially suffocate if the seal is any good. So overall, just bad idea.
Georgie 6:59
Yeah.
Geoff 7:00
But speaking of bad ideas, do you think the Apple Vision Pro is a bad idea?
Georgie 7:05
I don’t know if it’s a bad idea. But it’s like it’s too early to tell. But we’ve been watching a couple of just people’s reviews and thoughts on it just to just to see what people think. Because like, I don’t really care too much for it. The thing that I find slightly interesting is being able to use your devices in like that 3D space. I’m like, that’s pretty cool. You know, maybe I don’t want to be looking at a screen and I just want to be more immersed or whatever. They really sold the whole like, watch a movie in your lounge room, whatever.
Geoff 7:35
Yeah, you don’t have to buy a big TV.
Georgie 7:37
Hotel room. And if you know me, I don’t like movies. So I kind of don’t really care about that movie experience.
Geoff 7:47
Yeah. I watched a watched one by Snazzy Labs.
Georgie 7:52
Mm, yep.
Geoff 7:53
It was the it was the best one because if you watch the ad for the Apple Vision Pro, you have people like packing their bag and they’re wearing it and they get a FaceTime call and they pick up the call and it’s like really cool and immersive. And he’s like, who’s wear—this, this product, you need to have an idea in your mind to use it like you’re not going to be wearing around like an everyday like a like a watch.
Georgie 8:18
Yeah.
Geoff 8:18
It’s it’s not gonna be like that. So it’s like they’re examples are very contrived anyways.
Georgie 8:24
Yeah, the one thing that weirds me out is when they said that if you’re on a FaceTime call with those on, your face is gonna be rendered—
Geoff 8:32
Yeah?
Georgie 8:32
Based on like how what the device—
Geoff 8:34
It scans you. Yeah.
Georgie 8:35
I was like, no, like that is the part that creeps me out. I would rather people on a call with me see that I’m wearing this headset thing, glasses or whatever. I’d rather be able to see that than see a rendered thing of my face, that’s fucking creepy.
Geoff 8:50
Or just your eyes because that’s the old the thing can see.
Georgie 8:53
Yeah.
Geoff 8:53
It’s just two floating eyes. (laughs)
Georgie 8:55
I don’t know the whole thing, that that part just weirds me I wonder if you could turn it off.
Geoff 9:00
Just have like a display picture or something like that?
Georgie 9:03
Yeah.
Geoff 9:03
Because it wouldn’t know what you look like with the glasses on or with the thing on. So I was watching I was watching that review in, was it in bed? Or was I watching it, I watched it previously? Any case so I had the iPad in a very uncharacteristic—
Georgie 9:24
Propped up on your leg, but it’s falling on your face almost kind of?
Geoff 9:27
Yeah. Like I don’t normally have any devices in bed. But I had the iPad, my legs were in triangle and then I was like—
Georgie 9:36
Yep, yep, yep. I don’t know how people do that. But yeah.
Geoff 9:38
Yeah, yeah, it’s not, it’s not comfortable at all. So that’s why I like avoid doing having the iPad there in the first place. But essentially, I was like, oh wait, I could have an Apple Vision Pro in bed. And I wouldn’t have to like wheel the screen, and I’m like, but let’s be real, 3500 US dollars for something that you would just put on in bed so you didn’t have to bring a device? Like a device you have to hold? That’s extravagance.
Georgie 10:10
Yeah. Like I would just get a giant pillow and put it behind my back and sit up and use the iPad.
Geoff 10:17
I mean, the thing is, like what I see in a lot of American TV shows, and what I understand is that a lot of Americans have TVs in their bedroom.
Georgie 10:25
Oh, yeah, right. OK.
Geoff 10:27
Australians have TVs in their bedroom, too. But it’s not like, I don’t know if it’s that it’s that prolific. But I know my friend, they’re like, if they have a spare TV, like where else are you going to put it? Just put it in the bedroom? That kind of lens on that. But yeah, it’s like, well, you don’t have to install the TV in your bedroom anymore. Just have a couple of Apple Vision Pros ready on your bedside table.
Georgie 10:52
I’m just, nope, I’m not into this, man.
Geoff 10:55
It’s also super lonely. If you think about it.
Georgie 10:59
Hmm...
Geoff 11:00
No one’s—
Georgie 11:00
Like having that experience and no one is—
Geoff 11:02
Yeah. You’re sitting next to your partner. You can’t actually watch anything with your partner in the Vision Pro.
Georgie 11:09
Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 11:11
Yeah. We’ll all gonna die alone with our Vision Pros on.
Georgie 11:14
I mean, yeah. How are you going to, man? This reminds me of an absolute trippy conversation I had with Nick. About to dive deep everyone. He was talking about dreams because he said he doesn’t really have what he, in his opinion, interesting dreams. He said they’re pretty. Whatever, bog standard.
Geoff 11:31
What’s he doing? Like?
Georgie 11:33
Walk through a corridor, like that is it. And I tell—
Geoff 11:36
Mowing the lawn.
Georgie 11:37
Yeah, and I tell him about some of my weird ones, which mine personally usually involve people that I know. And like conversations I have with them, or I’m interacting with them. And then some weird thing happens just with those people I know. And he thought, what if you could have an experience with someone and go into a dream together?
Geoff 11:59
Woah.
Georgie 12:00
And like both experience it because he said it’s kind of weird. He thinks that he thinks a little bit sad that when you have a dream, you can’t like you can’t explain it to someone. But they weren’t there.
Geoff 12:09
Yeah.
Georgie 12:11
And I said, Wow, this is—I get your idea. But I said I don’t. This sounds really fucked.
Geoff 12:15
Have you watched a lot of Black Mirror?
Georgie 12:18
We, neither of us have watched it. But he brought this up with—
Geoff 12:21
Really?
Georgie 12:21
Yeah, yeah, we haven’t. But he brought us up with a colleague. And she was just like, no. She said dreams were quite personal to her or she wanted to keep them private.
Geoff 12:30
Oh, that’s a quite interesting thing. Yeah.
Georgie 12:33
And yeah, I mean, I guess everybody has different dreams.
Geoff 12:38
That’s interesting that someone finds it like something to keep personal. I never really thought dreams were—I, one of my colleagues said that they wrote a dream diary one time.
Georgie 12:49
Yeah.
Geoff 12:51
But it’s, it’s hard to keep up because you wake up from the dream—
Georgie 12:55
Thinking faster than you’re writing!
Geoff 12:55
...and you’re groggy. And you’re like trying to write it.
Georgie 12:59
Okay, I tried for like, briefly, but then I just couldn’t even be bothered. But then I had this one dream that I still wrote down, I think was in 2014. So it was a long time ago. And I thought I have to write this down because this is sick. And I won’t go into too much detail. But as I was like, in my dreams, actually, this is an interesting question that one of my colleagues posed when we were having conversation about it, she said, “How often are you yourself? In your dream?” I said, I’m always myself. And she was surprised
Geoff 13:29
Nine times out of ten.
Georgie 13:30
Yeah, so she was surprised because she’s always like a character of some sort. And her dreams are more like epic kind of fantasy.
Geoff 13:37
Wow.
Georgie 13:38
Like yeah, this is like mine are just like people relationships, like stuff. So the one that I had, I found it interesting because I was myself in the dream. And you know, just travelling on a train and stuff. And with that, my friends and things like that. And at some point in the dream, I realised that the entire thing I was experiencing was backwards.
Geoff 13:59
Woah.
Georgie 14:01
Because my I had a text from my brother that was like, “meet me later at Town Hall Station or something like that”. And then I messaged him back later, the message was gone. And I said, I’m gonna meet you at te—or, I said something. And he’s like, “What are you talking about?” He had no like, yeah no recollection—
Geoff 14:19
That’s really weird.
Georgie 14:19
Yeah. And then I think at the end, there was something about me going up some hill—I can’t quite remember. But I read this all down and I kept it so I have it in my notes somewhere. But I just found it so fascinating. Because at the end, I also woke up and I was next to the guy I was seeing at the time.
Geoff 14:39
(laughs)
Georgie 14:39
Who I’ve mentioned on this fucking podcast. I wake up and I was next to the guy I was seeing at the time. And—
Geoff 14:46
Not the boy, not not, the not-boyfriend.
Georgie 14:47
Not the item. Not the boyfriend or item. Just like some dude I was seeing. But it was funny because at the beginning of the dream, quote, unquote beginning because you can’t really always tell when it starts. For me anyway. I was, I was next to him as well. So it was kind of like a dream and a dream that I realised was going backwards. And also because the train that I was on, I think it was, not going in the opposite direction—but based on the train announcements, I was like, why are we back that way? Instead of going towards, like west or whatever it was. So—
Geoff 15:18
Wow.
Georgie 15:19
That to me was fascinating. But I would not, I don’t know, I just don’t agree with the idea of—
Geoff 15:24
Sharing?
Georgie 15:25
It’s just like, I don’t know, it’s not interesting to me.
Geoff 15:30
Yeah. Like, there’s a Black Mirror episode, where you can actually share your memories.
Georgie 15:38
Yeah.
Geoff 15:39
Like you can actually visit I think the episode was, can visually share your memories. And it’s kind of like a text message history, or, or something like that. And the whole Black Mirror thing was like, well, he, like had an affair. And obviously, you can, you can if you if it’s like, oh, if you didn’t have the affair, then what were you doing? What What were you doing at that time? And you can actually show somebody what you were doing at the time, right? So got into a whole bunch of trouble and stuff like that. But yeah, my my most my most memorable dream, and possibly the most vivid one was, uh, I was I was a game character. That was my, I was myself, but I was in the game character world. If, yeah, Mario? Yeah, it was Mario. There’s a game called Paper Mario? I don’t know if you know it.
Georgie 16:46
No, I don’t.
Geoff 16:47
But essentially, in this game, everything is paper. And so is Mario. And so you can do paper like things. You can—
Georgie 16:57
Fold?
Geoff 16:58
Fold, you can fly, you can you blow over, you kind of do all sorts of things. To be fair, I’ve never played this game. I just know it conceptually. But I had a dream where I was in the in that world.
Georgie 17:12
Yeah.
Geoff 17:13
And I was paper, I guess, and I could jump and control flight. Right.
Georgie 17:21
Okay.
Geoff 17:22
And I was like, That’s really strange. Because normally in my dreams, generally, things aren’t controllable. I’m either really slow, sluggish. It’s kind of weird. I can’t move in my at my own will, for the most part. Like it’s fifty-fifty.
Georgie 17:37
Things are happening.
Geoff 17:38
Things happening. I’m either I’m slightly in control of what I do. But something 50% of the time, I don’t have, I have like some kind of negative effect on my body or something like that.
Georgie 17:49
But are you aware that, like, you’re aware that you’re there?
Geoff 17:53
Yes. Yes. I’m—
Georgie 17:54
You just can’t control?
Geoff 17:56
Yeah—
Georgie 17:56
...what you’re doing?
Geoff 17:56
Some, so I would maybe start doing something. But I wouldn’t have full control over what‘s happening.
Georgie 18:02
So you might have a thought, like, I want to go over there.
Geoff 18:06
Yeah.
Georgie 18:06
But, but in the dream, you can’t control and you will just go over the other direction.
Geoff 18:11
Perhaps, or I would start going that direction. But I would slowly not be able to quite control the fact that where I’m going is where I’m going.
Georgie 18:20
That is so weird. Because I feel like for me, it’s like it’s not lucid, I know, I’m not lucid dreaming.
Geoff 18:25
Yeah.
Georgie 18:26
But I, I have the thoughts of myself in the dream. And it’s like, I’m gonna walk over there. And it happens. It’s like, I know, so I feel like it’s not that I’m in control. But it’s that I kind of know what’s happening or something.
Geoff 18:40
Yeah, I think generally, I’m generally I’m aware of what’s happening in my dreams, too. But any case, so I’m in this and I’m jumping and I am control flying. And I’m like, this is the best dream ever.
Georgie 18:52
(laughs)
Geoff 18:52
Because I’m literally be, I’m able to fly. And then and then it ended.
Georgie 18:59
Wow.
Geoff 19:00
Do you actually do you ever get recurring like you had been to that dream before? And you’re like continuing it or repeating it? Do you get those?
Georgie 19:09
Um, I had one. I haven’t had it for a while now. But it was me watching like some old television. Like, you know, the old like the old television.
Geoff 19:18
Yeah, the one with the knobs. And the—
Georgie 19:21
Yeah, it’s me watching one of those or I am watching, I’m seeing that in the dream. And I’m watching like, a cartoon where it’s, what is it like, a what do you call like a side screen, side scrolling type of thing.
Geoff 19:35
Oh yeah, like Mario.
Georgie 19:36
Kinda like Mario, yeah. It’s like a cliff and every now and then there’s a like a jump to another cliff. And I’m watching like a leopard or cheetah or something running and watching it animate and then jump, animate and like, it jumps across and that’s that’s it. It’s like a loop or something. And I’ve had that dream, like, multiple times and I’m like, what does it fucking mean? I mean, I don’t think it means anything but that’s—
Geoff 20:00
Yeah. Do you think dreams mean anything?
Georgie 20:03
No. Right. And I don’t think so. I think they’re just a manifestation, at least for me of shit that I’ve thought about during the day.
Geoff 20:11
Yeah.
Georgie 20:11
And like, Nick was saying into this idea that he had like going to a dream with someone. He said, Yeah, that people would have to consent that anything could happen. You might have weird thoughts of like, oh, I slept with my boss or something or whatever. And you would have to be okay with whoever you’re going with that they might—
Geoff 20:30
Yeah, that’s why that might be very personal.
Georgie 20:33
It might not mean anything though, right? Could be a fleeting thought. And suddenly, it appears in a dream, which is so I don’t think they, I don’t I definitely don’t think they mean anything. Because mine are usually very bizarre, like interactions I have with people I know in real life.
Geoff 20:48
I, I don’t think I’ve ever thought about anything that happened, that actually happens in my dreams. I’m pretty sure.
Georgie 20:58
Like—
Geoff 20:58
Like, I don’t like oh, a fleeting thought about sleeping with your boss, right? It’s like, oh, like, I don’t think I’ve ever thought about something during the day or in the week or maybe even ever.
Georgie 21:09
And then it appeared?
Geoff 21:10
And appearing in my dream.
Georgie 21:11
Oh. Wow. Okay, so yeah, for me, it’s quite different. Like, I might think of a certain random band like that, I was listening whose music I was listening to. Or maybe I wasn’t even listening to it. Maybe I just thought about it. Like, you know, maybe. I dunno—
Geoff 21:26
I mean, I guess I’ve had dreams that are like, have work relevant stuff in it. So maybe like those ones.
Georgie 21:35
That‘s because you spend your day working, right.
Geoff 21:36
Yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 21:37
Yeah. Like for example, like, if I have a dream tonight, and I happen to remember it tomorrow. It could be dreaming about you in the hospital. Like it could be like hosp, perhaps an element of hospital in there. Could have the tattoo because I talked about it with you. It might even have me walking a lot because I went for a long walk this morning. So that’s what I mean. Yeah.
Geoff 21:58
So does that kind of control the way you consume media? Do you try and like, like—
Georgie 22:04
What do you mean?
Geoff 22:04
Like horror stuff, right? Do you watch any horror stuff?
Georgie 22:07
I avoid it.
Geoff 22:08
And then concerned? Yeah, you avoid it. Maybe because you you’re concerned that it might pop up in your dreams?
Georgie 22:13
Mayb... Well, it I don’t think so. I don’t think that affects the way I consume media. Yeah, no, I don’t think it does. But sometimes I wake up from a dream. And I’ll be like, why the hell did I dream about that? And then I’ll know because I remember I had a fleeting thought about something.
Geoff 22:30
(laughs) Yeah, because I can I can. I think some people would try not to watch or at least I think it helps sometimes not watching such action heavy or anxiety driven, like cliffhanger type shows just before sleeping. I don’t know if it helps. Or it’s just like a, like a pseudo theory, but—
Georgie 22:53
I think it’s a pseudo, it’s probably a feeling, right, you just—
Geoff 22:56
Yeah, it’s like, maybe that’s not the best idea. I don’t think I did. I think I, I am try, I tried it to see if it makes any difference. I don’t think it did. But yeah, dreams are a bit a bit weird. What was, what was the other thing I was thinking about? Yeah. The idea that like sharing sharing dreams is I guess strange now that we’ve like talked about maybe yeah.
Georgie 23:23
It’s too weird to me. Like, and, I mean, I get it from Nick’s perspective, because he thinks his dreams are boring. I’m like, sure. You want to try to experience one of my weird ones? Like, seriously, some weird shit happens in mine that—
Geoff 23:35
Oh, that’s my thought.
Georgie 23:37
Yeah? Yeah?
Geoff 23:38
My thought is that—oh what was—damn it, I lost it again. Anyways, continue.
Georgie 23:45
So one dream I had, for example, I just, I was trying to catch up with my family. And we were in Europe. And somewhere in Europe, I don’t even know where it was supposed to be. But I thought okay, they’re, they’re ahead somewhere and I need to, I need to get to see them quickly, like at this spot, and I’m just running over these green pastures or something. And like, it’s just, it was just weird. I have no way of like explaining it. And maybe that’s more interesting to Nick than just walking through a corridor or something. Yeah, you know, just going for a chase like finding my parents in Europe.
Geoff 24:22
So I think the leading theory in dreams and like how why we have them is the is the conversion of short term to long term memory is when dreams happen. So for you, it sounds very much on point, right?
Georgie 24:34
Yeah. It’s about people and shit.
Geoff 24:35
You thought about something and then it kind of manifests a little bit your dreams and then that’s like the transferrance.
Georgie 24:42
Yeah.
Geoff 24:43
I have no idea what the fuck is going on in my dreams.
Georgie 24:46
You play games though. Maybe that’s why you have...
Geoff 24:50
Well, yeah, I don’t have very many game related dreams. I think these days. I can’t even remember my dreams. Half the time when I wake up. Some of them evolve like some of them have my family in them, sure.
Georgie 25:02
Yeah.
Geoff 25:03
But it’s not like I was thinking about my family at any given time—
Georgie 25:06
Are you sure?
Geoff 25:07
...for any kind of reason—
Georgie 25:08
You had to think about them. Earlier today when we were talking about... (laughs)
Geoff 25:14
Yeah, if I have a dream about my family that maybe now it’s the now’s the time to start linking my dreams, the actual thoughts that have, that have happened. But I’m notorious, I don’t write anything down. I don’t know—
Georgie 25:26
Not everyone does it.
Geoff 25:26
I trust my memory. I trust my memory more than I should.
Georgie 25:30
I remember this, I remember this nightmare I had when I was kid, I was like, five. The funny thing was, I’m pretty sure I was semi awake. When, when I was waking up. I was waking up from the nightmare. And I knew what was happening. And I remember still just crying out for my mum, because I was scared. And in the dream, I was like in this giant pond with like these giant lily pads. And I don’t know if they were actually the creatures in the dream. But there was like a big red ball. And it was just about like, bigger than me. Like a light ball, not a heavy one. It’s just bouncing around the lilypads, the lilypads kind of maybe threatening to roll over me or something. And that’s me as five year old was like a nightmare. And I woke up from that was like, no, like, is there something in the room? You know? And I don’t know, I think I know why there was a big red ball, in in the dream. I think it’s because I actually owned—
Geoff 26:26
Hahha.
Georgie 26:26
Like a, just a rudimentary red ball, which wasn’t even that big.
Geoff 26:32
Yeah.
Georgie 26:32
I just owned one. There was one in the house. And it just came in my dream and like something threatening to kill me. (laughs)
Geoff 26:39
God. But yeah, I think, yeah, dream dreams, dreams are a difficult one. For sure. Again, I’m losing memory. So, yeah.
Georgie 26:59
We’re talking about the Vision.
Geoff 27:01
Oh, yeah. We were talking about the Vision Pro thing, geez.
Georgie 27:05
You’re just like, what!
Geoff 27:06
I just blanked on what we even were talking about before. So yeah, I think I think it’ll be interesting where they go for it. I think Snazzy Labs made a really good point where they they brought it out, but they didn’t they didn’t show anything that was like, not, game changing. Like, doesn’t always have to be game changing. But the ultimate utility that no one has ever thought about using one of those devices for.
Georgie 27:37
Yeah.
Geoff 27:37
Everything they showed—
Georgie 27:38
It’s not groundbreaking.
Geoff 27:39
Yeah, everything they showed, you can do with all the current stuff. Like there’s like five different AR VR headsets out there. And Apple’s like, well, here’s our take on it. But they didn’t introduce any kind of differentiation. Not like the iPhone, they were like sure you have phones that can do internet, you can phones that do taking calls and what was the famous Steve Jobs? He’s like, internet? Phone calls—
Georgie 28:13
Is it listening to music?
Geoff 28:14
Music? Yeah.
Georgie 28:15
I think it was the first iPhone—
Geoff 28:18
It was an iPod—
Georgie 28:18
As a phone. Yeah.
Geoff 28:19
Yeah. So it’s like music, internet, phone calls. And then he’s like, combine them all into one.
Georgie 28:27
Yeah.
Geoff 28:28
And that’s novel. Right? If you had a phone that does phone calls, computer that does internet and an iPod that does music.
Georgie 28:37
Yeah.
Geoff 28:37
So that was game changing. They could have done something with this one to make it a little bit more.
Georgie 28:43
What would you do? Like I mean, anything come to mind for you? That’s just like different?
Geoff 28:50
What, like if they were to introduce something different with the with an AR VR headset? Yeah, it’s hard to come up with any use case they haven’t really thought of yet.
Georgie 29:01
Like, can you walk, like let’s say what do you do in a day? Like you just go to the shops and get some groceries for example? How can that make your experience like improve or something?
Geoff 29:10
It just has to be smaller? Like I think it just has to be like an everyday wear item that you can’t, like it’s still a headset. It’s still heavy. Like you can’t you can’t do things like go to the shops with it on. Google Glass was like the last thing that was quite interesting.
Georgie 29:25
Yeah that was met with like controversy because you just walk into a fucking toilet with the glasses on.
Geoff 29:30
Yeah, you’re basically recording everybody without their consent. Which is a bad thing.
Georgie 29:36
Which Google loves to do just with fucking Maps, just take pictures of everyone out there like—
Geoff 29:42
Yeah.
Georgie 29:42
Even though they blur their faces, if you’re in public, you could just be captured by some like Google van.
Geoff 29:48
Yeah, the the new black, the Black Mrror episodes the like the first one and I can’t go into too much detail—but it kind of touches on touches on that a little bit, like play, like plays on your, like the whole idea that your devices might be recording and doing everything. Whilst it’s off its off. But to, I guess, calm anybody who’s watching this, the amount of processing, I guess right now, the amount of processing, processing that it’ll take to actually record everything you do say and then send it somewhere would would crush your battery life, you would notice that your phone is like physically hot, I think, like you, like, and if it was truly doing all of that stuff, it’s like, it would probably... you would notice. So if you have any like mysterious battery drain maybe check out your phone but yeah, I yeah, I think someone said it before. Like if Alexa or your home assistants were actually listening to you all the time. You you’d notice one way or another.
Georgie 31:04
Wait, wasn’t there a thing with Alexa? Like—
Geoff 31:07
There was.
Georgie 31:09
It captured like a domestic violence.
Geoff 31:12
Oh, I didn’t hear about that?
Georgie 31:13
Oh. I yeah, I I could be wrong. Sorry if I’m misremembering the story, but I think there, or at least there was a discussion about if one of those units captured some kind of domestic dispute and whether that data can be accessed in the event of like—
Geoff 31:33
Oh. Investigation.
Georgie 31:35
Yeah.
Geoff 31:37
The, well the recent there’s a recent scandal with it, with Amazon stuff, where they were keeping videos and voice recordings I think of children voice recordings of children longer than they were allowed to because there’s a legal threshold to how long you can keep this stuff for.
Georgie 31:53
Yeah.
Geoff 31:53
And they said that like a lot more employees were had access to this this data than should be allowed.
Georgie 32:03
Yeah.
Geoff 32:03
So that’s that’s a controversy where they’re like, well, all the ring doorbells and all the all the Amazon Echoes and things like that have have like questionable, I guess data retention practices over at Amazon. So it’s hard to say like, oh, just trust Apple with your with your stuff. Because they say everything’s locked up on device and stuff like that and they care. But eh, huge bag of salt because they’re all companies. To be fair, though, Apple’s game is kind of not your data.
Georgie 32:44
Yeah.
Geoff 32:45
But who knows?
Georgie 32:47
They want your loyalty.
Geoff 32:49
Yeah, they want you buying—
And your—yeah, buying all their hardware so they can sell you software, or software to get you to buy hardware, probably the other way around.
They just want you in the ecosystem. They want to keep you in there.
Yeah, because my god, every time you needed a new laptop, boom goes three and a half thousand dollars? Did you like the MacBook Air? 15 inch? Any opinions on that?
Georgie 33:14
Wait. No. I have the 13 inch. Oh, wait, you’re talking about the new one.
Geoff 33:17
The new one? Yeah.
Georgie 33:18
Yeah. I don’t know.
Geoff 33:19
Bigger screen.
Georgie 33:22
The, the what do you call it? Like the promo video is like, yeah, it’s nice. And then I saw I think it was Marques Brownlee on Waveform talking to—
Geoff 33:30
Yeah.
Georgie 33:31
Like his, what do you call them?
Geoff 33:33
Colleague.
Georgie 33:34
Colleagues? Like? It’s funny, because I’m probably friends as well. Right. Anyway. What’s a friend, Geoff? Are we friends yet?
Geoff 33:41
No, we’re just colleagues. We never worked together. But.
Georgie 33:43
Previous episode. (laughs) Wait, how can we be colleagues if we’ve never worked together?
Geoff 33:48
I don’t know.
Georgie 33:49
Acquaintances.
Geoff 33:50
Acquaintances.
Georgie 33:52
Yeah, they were talking about how this is the this is the laptop that everyone kind of wants. And it took them ages to, to get get it. Because like, it’s sometimes people don’t actually want the 13 inch. Because it’s just, it’s just just a little bit too small.
Geoff 34:10
I think it’s very popular. When people think of a laptop to think of a 15 inch one.
Georgie 34:18
I mean.
Geoff 34:18
Perhaps.
Georgie 34:18
I disagree, but that’s just because I’m like—
Geoff 34:20
Yeah.
Georgie 34:21
13 inch like fan.
Geoff 34:23
Yeah.
Georgie 34:24
But yeah, it’s a lot of the 15 inch laptops before they released that one have been just clunky and just always felt quite heavy, honestly.
Geoff 34:34
Yeah.
Georgie 34:35
So this is it’s kind of nice that they have that and that they finally done it.
Geoff 34:40
The most interesting thing I saw on the ad was someone using on an airplane and I was like what freaking airplane—
Georgie 34:46
Oh yeah! On the table?
Geoff 34:46
...are you on? With a 15 inch laptop.
Georgie 34:49
Yeah, I remember thinking the same thing. Like as if that would fit on the tray table. Like—
Geoff 34:57
Yeah.
Georgie 34:57
You would not, they looked rather, they like their hands were also like—
Geoff 35:02
Very comfortable.
Georgie 35:02
Yeah. Not much elbows back.
Geoff 35:05
Yeah. Because if you bought the laptop, you can you can afford business class. (laughs) Speaking of which, I’ve been trying, I’ve got I think I’ve gotten back into the idea of collecting points. I think I’ll do one more credit card. Because not for the Japan trip. But we are planning to go to Europe.
Georgie 35:27
Yeah.
Geoff 35:28
And I looked up the up the amount of points required to upgrade from regular class to business class. It’s actually not too bad.
Georgie 35:37
Yeah.
Geoff 35:38
I think it’s like 60,000 Qantas points, or 65,000. Qantas points for one, one, one way.
Georgie 35:44
Yeah.
Geoff 35:45
So I’m thinking, you know, what? Have another card. I’ve got, like two years. So get another card. Get enough points for that for that trip for two people, return on business class, what is it like, 20 hours on a plane? Probably worth it. So.
Georgie 36:04
I mean, you have to book them right away in advance like we do, when we did the awards flights.
Geoff 36:08
Oh, really?
Georgie 36:09
Yeah. Like, depending on availability. Or maybe, I don’t know if you’re doing the upgrade, though. Like so you’re saying you’re getting a regular ticket and then paying points?
Geoff 36:17
Yeah.
Georgie 36:18
Because we did. Entire, entire way points.
Geoff 36:23
Entire entire ticket points. Yeah, that’s more expensive.
Georgie 36:27
Yeah. And we’d have to, we had to do it like 11, 12 months in advance. But also we’re not. We’re not Qantas. We do, we‘re going with Singapore Airlines. So we had to do like some, some voodoo that I don’t even I don’t know, Nick is all over this shit. I I just buy stuff on the thing and transfer points. And then yeah.
Geoff 36:51
Yeah, yeah. The whole points game is, it’s a big rabbit hole.
Georgie 36:57
It feels like a scam. Like, I know.
Geoff 36:59
It’s a scam.
Georgie 37:00
I know, I’m like in it. But it just feels like a scam. Because they, they just want you to keep spending your money so that you can keep getting points so that you can keep, ugh, I don’t know, there’s something in it where I definitely feel like I wish this wasn’t a thing.
Geoff 37:15
Yeah. But the thing is like, yeah, it’s a scam. On some on some level, it’s a scam because I got like, I got a ticket return from Perth, like ticket from Sydney to Perth return. And I spent, like 90,000 points for one for one return ticket. And in total spent 180,000 points for round trip. And I don’t know if 90,000 points. Like I think that’s the thing, right? Because the point value isn’t exactly calculable. If you think about it, like is 90,000, like for that flight—
Georgie 38:00
What would the dollar value mean?
Geoff 38:02
Maybe it would have been like close to 8, 8, 9, nine hundred dollars for return, dollar value. And then but, but that’s not that’s not necessarily how much those points are worth.
Georgie 38:17
Yeah, I think if you’re doing business, like if you’re doing business class, I think it might be worth it. Because business class is very expensive. But for other flights, it’s probably your, the amount of money you had to spend to get that amount of points is probably quite a lot and buying the ticket directly would probably have been about the same amount.
Geoff 38:43
But you don’t get the stuff, right. If you do go if you do like groceries, then you get the groceries and the points and then you can go fly, right so. I agree to some degree like all the calculation, how many points you should actually use for what you can you can get headphones, and Apple watches with points too like‚
Georgie 39:05
But then it becomes like the credit card. The whole credit card points, right, then the whole like, “oh my god, I’ve spent $20,000 and all I can get is a fucking kettle”.
Geoff 39:14
(laughs)
Georgie 39:14
Then it becomes like that.
Geoff 39:15
But it’s a free kettle. Technically.
Georgie 39:18
Don’t tell anyone, like because I’m saying this on the pod, but I have, I know someone maybe in the family? Who works for Breville?
Geoff 39:28
Yeah.
Georgie 39:29
Yeah.
Geoff 39:31
Yep.
Georgie 39:31
Yeah.
Geoff 39:32
And?
Georgie 39:34
And. And period.
Geoff 39:35
Oh right. And you don’t need to get a kettle with points. Yeah. I think it’s like—
Georgie 39:40
Cookbook. I think someone did a big joke, they’re like, “A cookbook? Who want a cookbook?”
Geoff 39:43
Yeah. I guess it’s one of those things where you’re like, well, if I’m buying the groceries sure it’s not gonna get me a lot of points. But in like five years.
Georgie 39:54
Yeah, like if—
Geoff 39:55
You get a consolation prize. Yeah.
Georgie 39:57
Consolation. (laughs)
Geoff 39:59
But I agree when you get to the credit cards now that’s where it’s kind of contentious, because if you get a credit card and—
Georgie 40:06
You would pay for the credit card.
Geoff 40:06
You don’t have three, like oh well, it’s a couple hundred dollars. And I would argue that 100,000 points is at least worth a couple hundred dollars for the credit card. But they require you to spend a certain amount within a certain amount of time. Sometimes it’s $6,000, sometimes $3,000. And it’s almost always within three months of signing up to the card.
Georgie 40:31
Oh, okay, to get like to get the points.
Geoff 40:33
To get the points, to qualify. That’s where it’s tricky, because you’ll get the card. And if you don’t actually have legitimate expenses that are up to 3000 to $6,000, then yes, you are going out there to purposefully buy like a MacBook.
Georgie 40:48
I know you’ve done this before Geoff.
Geoff 40:49
That you know you don’t need.
Georgie 40:50
You kind of hinted at having to try and do this before.
Geoff 40:54
Yeah, I think I think at one point like, oh, yeah, I could I could use a MacBook right about now and then get the card or... Yeah, I think maybe the first first time I did it, I kind of purposefully lined up a bunch of stuff that I’ve wanted. And I just went and bought it all on one card.
Georgie 41:13
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 41:14
Just to get the points. But that was a time where I was like, all my money is is like available for spending. Like—
Georgie 41:26
Yeah.
Geoff 41:27
But at the same time, it’s like, I think even back then I did have limits. I was like, Alright, I’m not going to spend more than I don’t know, my paycheck. Like there’s no way I’ll spend more than my paycheck in in the credit card. So my credit card limits were quite low. Or I tried to keep them low. So I didn’t like overspend. But yeah, that’s not like a saving mentality. It’s more of a, “Oh, yeah. I won’t drive myself into debt. But I also won’t save an incredible amount of money”.
Georgie 41:56
You were just ready to spend a lot of money, I guess.
Geoff 42:01
Yeah, really, like, if I if I could afford it, then I would get it. And I didn’t really have any long term thoughts outside of like—
Georgie 42:11
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 42:12
Savings goals. So like, well, I mean, I guess the next 10k in my bank account would be nice, but it’s kind of like well.
Georgie 42:20
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 42:21
Whatever. Right? Just like yeah, I see it, I like it. I want it. I got it. If I could afford it. Yeah.
Georgie 42:28
He’s not talking about women.
Geoff 42:30
No. Talking about Seven Rings by Ariana Grande. If—you haven’t heard the song?
Georgie 42:37
I think I have, I don’t know the lyrics. Does she say that? Like I—
Geoff 42:41
Yeah she says, “Yeah, I want it, I got it”.
Georgie 42:43
Oh!
Geoff 42:44
Yeah.
Georgie 42:45
Does she say “I’ll pay for”—what did you say?
Geoff 42:47
No, I added that, “if I can afford it”. (laughs)
Georgie 42:51
So she’s talking about a man?
Geoff 42:53
No, she’s talking about buying stuff.
Georgie 42:56
Oh.
Geoff 42:57
Yeah. It’s, it’s she starts off with like, some, these are my favorite My Favorite Things by Julie Andrews in—
Georgie 43:07
Oh, Sound of...
Geoff 43:08
Sound of Music. Yeah. Yeah. So she actually uses the riff. She uses the melody from that song. And she actually says “these are a few of my favourite things”. And then she just this stuff, you know, like—
Georgie 43:20
Luxurious shit.
Geoff 43:21
Luxurious shit.
Georgie 43:22
Oh. Okay.
Geoff 43:23
Yeah. But I mean to this day I still don’t I still don’t like any of the high fashion stuff like I wouldn’t go out Gucci suits and all that kind of random crap
Georgie 43:33
Yeah, I don’t get it. Oh, actually I follow this guy on—just quickly because we’re running like short on time. There’s this guy called Tanner Leatherstein, on Instagram and he does these short reels of high end designer bags, cutting them up and determining—
Geoff 43:50
I watched—
Georgie 43:52
Oh!
Geoff 43:52
...one recently.
Georgie 43:53
Yeah. Where he tells you how much his estimate of how much it costs is, and what the retail price is, and what he thinks you should pay for it. Yeah. It’s—
Geoff 44:02
Yeah, I saw him do a wallet. He just broke apart the wallet. The, probably a Gucci wallet. And he’s just like eh, probably—
40 bucks?
80?
Georgie 44:11
Yeah. And it like you’re paying like, whatever several 100 for this little.
Geoff 44:16
Yeah, this little logo.
Georgie 44:18
I think he even might have said it’s not even, it’s probably just cheap brass. I think he said it’s just brass, like—
Geoff 44:24
Yeah.
Georgie 44:24
Yeah.
Geoff 44:25
And even the leather they like do stuff to the leather to make it look less nice than natural leather.
Georgie 44:30
Yeah, I don’t, I don’t understand that. But I mean, that’s that’s like, what do you call it? That’s like trendy. High fashion. Aesthetic bullshit.
Geoff 44:38
Yeah. Anyways, on that note, it’s time to wrap it up. You can find us on @toastroastpod.
Georgie 44:49
On?
Geoff 44:50
On?
Georgie 44:51
On the Twitter.
Geoff 44:52
On the Twitter. On Twitter. I am so lost.
Georgie 44:57
You can also email us, toastroastpod at gmail dot com, email us your roasts or any questions. Maybe we’ll do an AMA because we’ve having our—
Geoff 45:07
AMA?
Georgie 45:08
Ask, AUA, ask us.
Geoff 45:13
AUA, async. Ask us anything. AUA.
Georgie 45:19
AUA. Ask us, ask us questions because we have our hundredth episode coming up. And we might answer some questions maybe? If we get questions.
Geoff 45:29
If we get questions.
Georgie 45:31
You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you find your podcasts and the big the big Apple vision. On the big, oh what do you call it? Like the virtual reality space?
Geoff 45:47
Oh yeah.
Georgie 45:48
Call the space, the space? Whatever?
Geoff 45:50
Yeah, I have no idea what you call the space. And new episodes every week.
Georgie 45:56
See you next week.
Geoff 45:58
Bye.