We dive into a discussion about Gerogie’s love/hate relationship with jeans, how lazy Geoff is when it comes to clothing choices, and shared experiences growing up with school uniforms.
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Geoff: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co-host, Geoff, and I'm here with co-host, Georgie.
Georgie: Hey!
Geoff: How’s it going Georgie?
Georgie: It's going. I’m going.
Geoff: It's going. You’re going.
Georgie: Actually I’m not going anywhere, because I'm at home.
Geoff: You said you wanted to rant about something, give it – give it to me.
Georgie: Actually, I don't even remember what I was going to rant about. But I think I said I was going to rant about 100% cotton jeans.
Geoff: Actually, we should talk about your journey with jeans first. I think that's like the origin origin story.
Georgie: OK. I call it a denim debacle. Because it kind of sounds fun because it's alliterative. So my journey with jeans is that I didn't really wear jeans a lot growing up as a kid and in my teens, and I realised that I just wasn't really into them. And most of the time, they just didn't fit correctly on my body. And obviously since then, I've realised that everybody's body is different. And most people don't fit into clothes that they just buy straight off the rack. So yeah, I spent most of my childhood just like hating jeans. Because the problem for me, which apparently is the problem for a lot of people, it fits their legs, but it's super big in the waist. And my problem now and for the past five years is that, like I’m into lifting weights at the gym, growing my legs on my thighs and making my legs big and strong, which further exacerbates this problem.
Geoff: Wait wait wait. Why are you concentrating on your legs? As a workout routine? Because it's always like interesting to me, just for context for people: I do not go to the gym. I have never worked out, I do not – as a previous podcast alludes to – ever looked after what I eat. And the so these questions are coming from a place of lack of knowledge. Because I’ve just never done it. And genuine curiosity. Because I’m fairly skinny myself and I've never had to diet to get it. It's all been genetic. I'm humble bragging, but not really – just bragging. And so yeah, this is pure curiosity. OK, continue.
Georgie: Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I think I think it's like a biological thing that women are generally better at, like doing, leg workouts and men are better at upper body workouts. It's like, we're just this biological advantage. So it seems natural that women prefer to train their legs and men prefer to train upper body and hate legs and then women are vice versa. But I have to say it's funny, actually, that you ask actually, because I used to not like training my legs at all. I used to have a – I mean, I was gonna say a love hate relationship. But I think it's more of a – I was pretty insecure about my thighs growing up because they'd always been pretty big for my body. I'm not saying that they weren't quadzilla all the time. But, yeah.
Geoff: Did you ever… Did you ever look at thigh gaps and think, “that's something I want”?
Georgie: Oh, man. Okay, we'll say the thing is, like no matter how big my thighs were, I actually already have a thigh gap because my bone structure is such that –
Geoff: Ah, blessed. BLESSED with a permanent thigh gap.
Georgie: Yeah, but you can’t perpetuate that stuff, Geoff. It's quite harmful… So anyway. Yeah, I haven't always loved my thighs. But it took a few years for me being into fitness and just understanding more about building muscle to enjoy working out my legs and kind of realised that they could be strong and look awesome. So yeah, that is why I do a lot of leg workouts.
Geoff: But how did you even I guess, does everybody have this thought in their mind that they have to go to the gym or that they are somewhat unfit? So the gym is kind of a solution to their weight problems, what was your motivation to go to the gym?
Georgie: I would say it also stemmed from that sort of area of negative body image. And I thought I was I was fat. And I like I wasn't. But I was also very unfit. Actually like you, Geoff – I’m genetically, just like, pretty small. I don't tend to gain weight very easily. But when I started working out, I had been eating pretty badly. Also, I also have genetic high cholesterol. So that kind of made me want to fix the problem there. But there was a period of time where I was and I tell people about this because it's funny now and I can't believe it. But there was a period of time where I was eating protein bars, just like straight out of the box as snacks but I wasn't exercising at all. So I actually gained, actually gained some weight from that, like, not a lot of weight, but I was eating pretty badly. And then after that, I thought I should adopt healthier eating habits and actually exercise.
Geoff: Did anybody influence you into doing this? Any inspirations?
Georgie: To be honest, no, I think I was working for a company that gave us a free gym membership for the gym that was like in the same building. And that was just a bit of an incentive to, to just try it, use the gym and check it out. So, so yeah.
Geoff: My last place had a gym in the building as well. And they gave everybody kind of like fitness checkups, or something like that, where someone would come in, and they'd like to test your resting heartbeat and stuff like that. And then they teach you how to use the equipment. I got a pretty good score, if I can recall correctly. So it wasn't like too unfit. But I still didn't take advantage of the fact that was the gym in the building. And then I moved on from there. In any case.
Georgie: Well you say you don't exercise, but you go on hikes and stuff? And yeah.
Geoff: Yeah, I don't really classify that as exercise. So I guess I have been exercising once every quarter. Or, yeah, I think my association exercises that if you have a goal for getting fitter, or like reducing your weight, stuff like that, but I never have that goal when I do this stuff. So I am very on the low spectrum of active, I guess.
Georgie: This is why you lost the Apple Watch competition.
Geoff: Yeah, yeah. see anyone who would get my horrible track record of like, less than 1000 steps a day, just hop on my Apple Watch competition. You'll find how many times I stand up or how many times Apple thinks I'm standing. I don't think it's accurate all the time.
Georgie: Oh. But you do know the hack with the stand goal is to just put your hand up in the air and wave it a little bit.
Geoff: Oh really?
Georgie: You'll get a stand goal.
Geoff: Yeah, I guess it I guess when I like lift my hands to stretch and stuff like that. It's been activating the stand. And I've been cheating. All this time.
Georgie: There’s a meme. It’s definitely cheating but there's a meme about about the stand gold thing. I can't remember what it was. But yeah, you can cheat the system. And… oh I remember the meme now, now you're sitting there and you're not doing anything at all. And suddenly it goes, congratulations. You’ve earned a stand goal!
Geoff: Anyways, so back to you, training your legs? How did you find out to kind of start training your legs?
Georgie: Because I thought my thighs were always big. I was like, I don't need to work them out and stuff, right. And so I mainly focused on doing upper body movements. And then to be on this, this is sort of I feel like it's funny, but also embarrassing for me to admit that I was talking to one of my colleagues at work – well duh, because they were a colleague – about training at the gym, about training at the gym. And he said to me all like what, why don't you – why don't you train legs, or something like that. But his comment was, you should train legs. Because like, you're walking every day, and you're standing on your legs every day, and they're taking like all your weight. So it's important. And then like, yeah, and then it kind of it was like that moment, kind of like clicked for me.
Geoff: Ahhh right.
Georgie: Oh shit, that makes a lot of sense. Like, legs hold us up. Like I was saying, Oh, it's really important to be strong in your legs as well or not have an imbalance between, you know, upper and lower body.
Geoff: I was concerned that that story was going to turn to “you should train your legs because you're a woman” and that would sound infinitely worse. But I'm glad I glad it turned out to have a positive – a positive spin. Yeah. So you started training your legs, and then you realised that jeans still didn't fit you.
Georgie: Yeah, that was probably making the problem worse. But anyway, I wanted to get into the details I guess about about fabric of jeans, right? I have probably mostly worn stretch denim for – for most of the time that I have worn jeans because I just don't understand 100% cotton, it's, it seems like why would you subject yourself like you're walking right, and you're when you walk your knees bend like, your, your hips like hinge when you walk and move around.
Geoff: Yeah.
Georgie: And why would you restrict yourself to, to such stiff fabric that is not comfortable?
Geoff: Okay, so cotton, 100% cotton, is more stiff than 100%. denim? Is that the denim?
Georgie: But denim is cotton.
Geoff: Denim is cotton? What's going on?
Georgie: Wait denim is just – so cotton is like the fibres, right. But denim is the name of the construction of the fabric. Okay, what I mean is that a lot of jeans these days have stretch in them.
Geoff: Yeah.
Georgie: Like they have a combination of cotton and elastane or spandex or something. And usually that percentage of the spandex or the stretchy fabric is… how much there is depend, like will will determine how stretchy the down room is and how much it's going to move with your body versus like being quite stiff. So…
Geoff: So it's good?
Georgie: Well, it's it's good to have a little bit of stretch. But then the flipside of this is that people say that raw denim, like 100% cotton denim is better because it's it lasts longer. It doesn't like kind of bag out and all of this stuff. There are – people have opinions, preferences – also at the end of the day, people have preferences as to what they want their jean composition to be.
Geoff: I don’t think I’ve ever thought about jean composition when walking into the store and picking it up because as you know, my only concern is whether or not it fits my 24 inch waist. See how I got that one in? Yeah, yeah.
Georgie: I think we're gonna roast you about that one. So you – you have a denim problem and it's completely different from mine, so to speak.
Geoff: Yeah, it’s all about size for me. And as soon as I found the store that had my size, that's it. I don't I don't care what's in my jeans as long as I can wear them. Except the current pair of jeans still bleeding blue for the past, like, three months of having blue jeans. Well.
Georgie: Have you tried to like soak them in vinegar or something? Or do one of those hacks that kind of sets the color?
Geoff: No… I’ve been… Yeah, I think you told me earlier and a lot of other people have said, “oh just soak it in water” and I've just been too lazy.
Georgie: I’m actually hilariously, I'm wearing jeans today as well. I specifically decided it was a day to wear these jeans because they like a bit looser. They're like a looser fit. And that's the other thing, don’t you like – don’t you mostly wear skinny jeans?
Geoff: Yeah… that's a really that's a that's a topic, actually. Cuz, so when I started buying Uniqlo they only sold a boot leg cut, not a straight cut or whatever. The straight cut jeans. I used to wear that for a long time. And I was really resistant to the fashion trend of the skinny jeans. It's like, why do you want your jeans so tight, so it feels ridiculous. And then I got kind of got pushed into it. But I find them – I like – I find that I've grown into form fitting stuff a lot more. You know, buying – buying form fitting jeans is now important. Jeans that aren't loose and and have to wear a belt because I'm a minimalist, and I don't wear unnecessary things like belts if I can help it.
Georgie: Ah that’s so funny. You touched on a few things that I feel like, I feel like I can relate to so I guess like the skinny jean thing. I think that became a trend like, over 10 years ago, I think?
Geoff: Yes, yes. Just as I moved to Sydney.
Georgie: Yeah, it's a trend that's sort of stayed. So I think we're just going to be seeing it for a while now. But also how you said that you've sort of kind of accepted that, like you prefer form fitting jeans. And I think that kind of relates to how I've kind of found a few jeans recently that I don't mind too much. It's like I’ve come full circle or I've kind of understood what I like, and also accepted that my tastes change. Also, I really hate belts. I really don't like them, but I actually ended up buying a few recently because I thought they kind of look cool for like the the style of clothing I wear. They look alright, and they do hold up my pants which I mean… function I guess.
Geoff: I was about to say that it's okay if you want to have belts as an accessory, but not as a function. Except you ruined my point.
Georgie: Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Well, mine is both so I guess it's okay.
Geoff: Yeah. So I found that the recent trend of bell bottoms. Bell bottoms are back.
Georgie: So like the flared kinda –
Geoff: Yeah, flare.
Georgie: Yeah. So there's I actually was looking at these jeans recently, right, but I'm looking for the ones that are a bit shorter, like that finish at the ankle, like at the ankle. So you can kind of see the –
Geoff: You want… three quarters bootleg… jeans?
Georgie: I actually Well, I don't want that I would like to try them on, I got weirdly curious about them. Because the like – OK, before we were in lockdown, I went to a clothing store. And I tried on these, just like plain black pants, but I didn't realise that they were a little bit like bootleg-y at the bottom of the at the bottom. Okay, because I'm because I'm short, right – you probably know what I mean. These pants are too long for me. And so I had to go on tiptoe to see what they look like. Like without them just dragging on the floor. I was like, that shape’s alright. I wonder if you know if I got a pair of jeans or pants in that kind of shape? Like, how would it look? Like I'm not set on them. But I was looking at them. But I think there's a difference between having the three-quarter like sort of structured one versus the ones that like, I don't know, like my dad wore in the 80s? Sort of proper bellbottoms.
Geoff: Yeah, yeah, they're definitely a little bit more stylish and modern these days than just the straight up 80s. Length is also a problem, of course, that we both share. So these jeans are a little bit too long. And I have been thinking about getting them adjusted. But to be honest, it's fine. It's scrunches at the bottom. I think that's a style.
Georgie: Yeah, it's one of the styles, like, I used to do that. And I kind of – sometimes like it's a combination of I can't be bothered getting these professionally hemmed. And also, maybe they look OK, if I cuff them. I actually know some people who are anti-cuffing jeans, but I've been cuff my jeans, because I think for me personally, I think it actually looks better on me than when they're scrunched.
Geoff: Yeah. Screw the haters. Do whatever the hell you want, is my, is my mantra. Like, I go into work with, you know, the black shirt and jeans every day. And people sometimes make snide comments about it, oh, you must really like black shirts. You must really like jeans. Like, yeah, I do. That's why I wear them every day. Like what's, what's the, what's the go here? And then you get the other side, right. The other side where it's mostly females saying, I envy the fact that you can just come in with a black shirt and jeans every day. And I said, well, I I don't I don't think you – these days can really make that kind of comment. I know it's like, easy, because it we're kind of ingrained to make the make that kind of connection. But usually, when I challenge someone on that comment, saying that they can do it themselves. They kind of make a little bit more of a turn and they say, “I actually don't want to”. And I think that's more important. Like you should, you should definitely just wear what makes you happy. And don't blame the gender, is, I guess my point.
Georgie: I do feel like women get exposed to like so much…
Geoff: 100%.
Georgie: …weird societal pressure of, you can't wear the same thing every day. Something as basic as that. I'm like, are you kidding? I've worn like the same pair of pants or the same skirt, like two days in a row? Like what's the what's the big deal? Where's the judgment? Is the way I've come to come to, you know, turn it around and, and feel empowered to just wear what I enjoy every day, even if it is the damn same.
Geoff: Yeah, I've also very much recognise the fact that you know, it's quite systemic, like females in general have grown up with that societal pressure, whether or not they want to think it, or believe it, it's there, just in the back of your mind. Ooh, someone's gonna say that I want the same thing twice in a row. And then the – and then, someone said recently that they just get, they would get just straight up bored with what we're wearing. And yeah, that's a totally different thing right? But like, I think sometimes people kind of try and try to overlap it a little bit. Also, someone said that they… changing clothes, makes them happy. And I was like, that's good?
Georgie: Yeah. And I like trying different clothes, trying different things, different outfits. Yeah. And yeah, this is why despite being a minimalist, I still buy clothes every now and then because I that kind of opens up a creative door for me. And that is the same for other people like, and, other people who might need even more clothes to feel like they have to have creative freedom. Whereas maybe You feel like you have creative freedom with just having mostly black clothes.
Geoff: My creative freedom is that I don't have to think about the creative creativity of my clothing. Yeah, I think I've come up with a lot of excuses slash benefits for what I do. None of which I think I deeply think about. Like, I don't I don't wear the same thing every day purely because, I don't know, it gives me a mind space to think about other things? I'm just really lazy, which at the core basis, I am really lazy. It's easy to make a decision when I've only got one. And hey, black shirts and jeans. How can you go wrong? Something really nice though – like it became a signature back at one of my workplaces. And on my last day, everyone wore a black shirt and jeans.
Georgie: Really, that's nice.
Geoff: Really nice. But someone, someone let it slip. Someone told me a couple days earlier. And I came in with a white shirt. Yeah, some people were not very happy. Like, like, somehow I ruined it, but nah, it was hilarious.
Georgie: You betrayed them almost.
Geoff: Yeah, I went I went into the bathroom and I put on a black shirt, so I couldn't wear white.
Georgie: Oh you actually brought one in? That's funny.
Geoff: Yeah. It's very uncomfortable.
Georgie: To wear a white shirt?
Geoff: Yeah, yeah. I don't know. It's really weird and uncomfortable to wear a white shirt. T-shirt, by the way. We're not talking about like a dress shirt. I can wear those fine. Yeah. I went out and bought that shirt specifically to do that joke.
Georgie: For that occasion.
Geoff: Yeah. I don't even know where it is. Like, I think I've lost it.
Georgie: It's probably blue from your jeans.
Geoff: Yeah, yeah. So you have had this really big issue with jeans for like, 10 – 20 odd years?
Georgie: Yeah, I actually have a spreadsheet. I think some people – some people listening this podcast might actually know about it. I had a spreadsheet where I listed out all of the brands of jeans that I'd tried. So I actually, actually tried, for a good few years, to find jeans that that worked for me. And I did – I was actually mainly looking for skinny jeans but I did try a few different like straight cuts and slim cuts and a range of brands from like really budget-y sort of like bad H&M kind of brands, to like some more expensive ones.
Geoff: Whoa, whoa, shade on H&M?
Georgie: Well, I'm saying that's an example of like a fast fashion brand, right. And their jeans were obviously not as good quality as actually, no shade, right. Because I used to buy my jeans from Topshop. But the, the more muscle I grew on my legs like the more I realised that the cut of their skinny jeans didn’t like, accommodate my big thighs. I had a pair that was like blue with the rips in the knees.
Geoff: OH NO. Rips in knees! Oh my god. Rips in knees, I never understand that. Fuck that, man.
Georgie: Well, we can go back to that. I gotta tell you, I had this pair of jeans for like, I actually really liked I love them. And I lived in them. And after like, I think I had the jeans for two years. I wore them, I would say, at least once a week. At the end of two years that the kind of… the fabric from the aesthetic rip completely just ripped that was gaping holes in my face. But yeah, I mean, I was into ripped jeans, but now they're kind of I don't get it. These days. It's a bit…
Geoff: You know, ripped jeans are some of the most expensive pieces of clothing.
Georgie: Overpriced?
Geoff: …I’ve ever come across. To be honest… like yeah, I don't understand why you would pay for a broken thing. Think about it. You like going out to the… you go out to the, don't know, David Jones or Myer. Wherever, wherever you go by your mugs, and you pick up a mug and go, “oh, the handle is broken. You know what? I'll pay full price for that”. Like, what is wrong with you? Why would you pay full price for something that's inherently broken? God, it's just a travesty. Fuck ripped jeans.
Georgie: Yeah, fuck. This is why people just they just rip them themselves. People just didn't realise, they didn't realise this because it was just one of those things that was trendy. But what you're reminding me I'm just now is like, paying for something that's overpriced. And like, actually, Geoff and I have a friend, and I will name drop her, her name is Monica and she said this thing that was just downright hilarious… and I can't stop, I stop laughing at it. But she said, swimwear, like bikinis and stuff – sometimes they're like upwards of like 100, 200 dollars. And Monica said, “why would I want to pay 200 dollars for 14 centimetres of fabric?!”
Geoff: Swimwear, swimwear. When I, when I got awakened, or rather, this problem got brought to me by one of my friends, I was completely taken aback by the fact that half your bikini is $200. It doesn't always come in sets. ONE PIECE of your swimsuit is $200? I just like… and then I mean, that's like the same thing for for your underwear as well. Wow. And I'm like, this is ridiculous. Like, how do you this is a real female tax. Right? This is.
Georgie: But I think I think some men's underwear is sort of pricey as well, right? Like good quality underwear is is a bit more expensive.
Geoff: Man, I know, but…
Georgie: But I guess, like, you don't buy that in a set. You don't buy like underpants and like a shirt. And obviously a lot of guys would not buy underpants with a bra to wear at the same time like you would with swimwear.
Geoff: I kind of get it with the underwear to be honest, because you might want to buy or you want to buy the top but you don't want to buy them both at the same time. Sure. But yeah, swimsuits are, like a parcel. You know, two pieces, you know, you don’t buy one half blue and the other one pink. Maybe you like that, but generally you just… Yeah, I don't get it. It's so expensive.
Georgie: This s totally the pink tax thing because what they market it as is, oh, there's a bikini available for sale here. But you can buy one bottom from one set, or one top for another set and mix and match and it's all fun and games.
Geoff: Customisability!
Georgie: Yeah. And that's what that's what they try to get you with. So it's it's all a scam.
Geoff: Yeah, it's it's all a scam. And I'm so glad that I don't have to…
Georgie: Wear a bikini?
Geoff: …deal with that. So sad that all of you have to deal with such marketing ploys. But it actually reminds me of personalisation, I read a tweet. It's like when did personalisation go from giving the customer choices to personalise things, talking about phones and stuff.
Georgie: Like monograms? Engraving?
Geoff: Yeah. So that that kind of personalisation. But in the tech world, personalisation has become algorithms that just feed you what they think you should see. And that's classified as personalisation. Just, it's just an interesting perspective.
Georgie: That’s interesting.
Geoff: On the on the transformed state of the term personalisation.
Georgie: I thought you were talking about like engraving stuff, like physical personalisation, rather than digital. But that's pretty interesting.
Geoff: Yeah, it's almost like you go to the store, and the store has said, you know what, the algorithm has just said that, you know, 50 to 80 percent of the people that buy this stuff, monogram it with an M and G, like, here, buy an M and G monogrammed, like bag? You’re just like no? I want my initials. Why is an algorithm telling me what monogram to put on my bloody bag? I don't monogram my bags.
Georgie: I'm not really… yeah, I'm not into that. Something about it just makes… I sort of think about resale ability, like have a bag, for example, even like tech, like like an Apple product like the AirPods, think you can, like engrave. And I just think I wanted to sell whatever this thing is that I'm buying, why would I want to want something with my initials or name on it? And I don't want people to look at me and see me with my clothes or with my notebook, and they know my initials. I know that sounds very weird, but it's almost like wearing a name tag. And I'm not into it.
Geoff: Yeah, you don't – what do you mean, you don’t, you don't write your name on the inside of your underwear. Like what?
Georgie: No, I sure as hell don’t, Geoff.
Geoff: To be honest, that always sounded strange to me. Maybe it’s American again. But like writing your name on the inside of your underwear… is so weird.
Georgie: Isn’t it just something you did when you were like – or your parents did, when when you're a kid or something, and they just write your name on your clothes in case they were lost.
Geoff: I don’t know, yeah.
Georgie: But then I'm like, yeah, losing… Why would you, why would you? Why would your clothes be off you?
Geoff: So I went to a Catholic High School? Catholic High School and we wore blazers and stuff.
Georgie: I went to a Catholic Primary school…
Geoff: Did I go in primary school? No, I didn't go to a Catholic primary school. But we wore blazers and things. So it's very proper, so it is likely that we’d leave our blazers somewhere.
Georgie: This blazer thing though. I guess because it was a Catholic. It was a private school. You were probably made to wear the blazer.
Geoff: Yeah, yeah. We actually had to go like into school with the blazer on and exit school with it on I believe, I don't know if we had to wear it throughout the entire day because it might get hot. But it was it was, yeah, one of those rules. We obviously had the rest of the uniform to go with it. But places the only thing that we would take off.
Georgie: Yeah, I went to a Catholic primary school, but because it's primary school, when you're still kind of kids, there was no blazer but but I went to a public high school, and there was a blazer as an option for like, the outerwear or the you know, to wear in winter. But it was kind of like, and we talked about this in the first episode, because I grew up in Western Sydney. And I went, I went to a selective school, but it was quite, I would say they, they were a bit poor. They didn't have a lot of money. So we didn't have lockers. And people sort of made fun of the uniform. So to wear a blazer sort of felt like a weird juxtaposition. So it would be funny if we would sort of tease people who chose to get the blazer, because it was like, why would you bother? Like, it was like the blazer was a sign of prestige. But no one felt like super proud to go to the school because of how poor we were. But yeah, it was it was funny, because I didn't want to wear the blazer. And I bought the sweater instead. But I think my mum actually ended up buying the blazer for me years later, and I just refused to wear it because I was embarrassed and didn’t want to get teased by everybody.
Geoff: Did you have a, you had a uniform as well, right? Besides the blazer?
Georgie: Yeah.
Geoff: Okay. Yeah. That's right. Now public schools and uniforms. Australia's probably the only public school with uniforms.
Georgie: You mean only country.
Geoff: Yeah, that's true. It's the only country that has this? Maybe I’m mistaken. Went to private schools whilst I was in Southeast Asia, so most of them had uniforms. My public school – my public school here had a uniform. Yeah, I think for the most part, Americans, they publicise the fact that public schools usually don’t have uniforms.
Georgie: They can wear whatever they want.
Geoff: I feel like it's bad to have no uniforms. And I don't know if that's just because of my impression through American TV shows. People get teased a lot for the like, fashion taste and their poor-ness, as you said.
Georgie: I think that yeah, I think there's a lot of societal pressure as well. There's again, speaking from a woman's perspective is that you know, girls will probably wear like really cool clothes. And you know, people might get jealous because another person has cooler clothes than them and I guess there's just this pressure that's, that's built up in that kind of way. But like speaking of wearing casual clothing, right, what did you call it when you wore casual clothing for at a school that normally has uniforms?
Geoff: Oh, um, we did have casual Fridays. At some point. I remember. But we didn't have any particular name for it. Except for Casual Fridays.
Georgie: Oh, really? Because Because every school I went to they called it – and I actually don't understand what this means. But they called it Mufti day.
Geoff: That is weird. I’ve never heard that term ever.
Georgie: Yeah the word is mufti… Are you serious?
Geoff: Yeah. I’ve lived across the world… I’ve never.
Georgie: You’ve never. I think this was the case when when I was at both a public and Catholic private school. They call it Mufti day all the time. It was like when you just didn't have to wear a uniform, you could wear whatever you wanted. Within reason, obviously. Like, like a Catholic school, they would restrict you from wearing like, anything that was too revealing and then you should wear sensible shoes, obviously, especially if you were in a lab in like, high school, and had to do science class.
Geoff: The girls at the Catholic school would always try and break the hem rules.
Georgie: Oh, yeah.
Geoff: That was that was as far as rebellious as they would get really is just breaking the rules.
Georgie: Yeah, but like by how far like, can we can we were like…
Geoff: Has to be knee length. HAs to be knee length. Anything above the knee is a no go.
Georgie: OK, but what if they were wearing shorts, was shorts allowed?
Geoff: No, the girls didn't have shorts as part of the uniform I think.
Georgie: So does that mean you could wear shorts on casual Fridays?
Geoff: Yes, they would.
Georgie: OK you know what I just realised, we're talking about something completely archaic and sexist. Like did guys have hem rules?
Geoff: We had shorts that were actually shorter. Like above the knee. It was really weird. No, wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty sure they were above the knee. We had shorts. But no, we had no hem rules. We could roll up our sleeves. That's the massive rebel in us. I don't know. Oh, wearing the tie in a loose manner was as far as –
Georgie: Not allowed.
Geoff: Yeah, as far as breaking the rules was for our uniform.
Georgie: Speaking of ties, I sometimes stole my boyfriend's tie in high school to wear it, but then we would like, girls would actually get told off.
Geoff: Really… the girls at my school got ties. Like everyone had to wear a tie.
Georgie: Well for us, like. I wore mine quite loosely and casually because it was like the cool thing to do.
Geoff: Right.
Georgie: But then, you know, I think one of the teachers was like, if you're going to wear that you’ve got to wear it like the boys have to. You’ve got to like, put it all the way up and everything. I was like, This is ridiculous. I was a bit of a rebel in high school, actually, because we weren't allowed to wear jewellery either. And I, at the time –
Geoff: You can't show any generational wealth, Georgie. You gotta understand you're in Western Sydney.
Georgie: Oh, my goodness. But it was I think it was just, you know, a uniform thing, a strict thing that schools have, but it was more even just fashion. Like cheap costume jewellery wasn't allowed. You were only allowed to wear like, one pair of earrings, like, one bracelet, and your earrings couldn't be like super long and dangly. Another problem I found with this is that like at the time, I had six ear piercings, and I was like, well, fuck you guys.
Geoff: How did you end up with six ear piercings?
Georgie: Oh. This is a fun topic. So normally, my mum wouldn't approve of it. Right? I have seven now. But we’ll get there. So I think a lot of people have their ears pierced as a child, or even as a baby.
Geoff: Already a ridiculous thing to do to your children.
Georgie: It's strange. Yeah, when you think about it, it's strange. But yeah, my mum had my ears pierced when I was when I was a baby. So I had a pair of earrings, until just one pair of earrings. Until I was like, I think 12 or 13. And my mum had three piercings in each ear. But she didn't wear earrings in them all the time. But I just always knew my mum had like, she had the little holes where I can tell she had the earrings. And I said to her that I wanted the same thing. And this is me as like a preteen, right? I said I wanted the same thing and she was against it, but I sort of used the fact that she had them, to tell her –
Geoff: The little shit child, using the parents against themselves. It’s classic. It's good stuff.
Georgie: But yeah, she let me do it. But um, it was thinking back was probably not the best thing to do. Even thinking back – it does not the best because we actually had got me that got them done in Indonesia, with the gun, which is kind of dodgy and bad. And I don't know if you – I don't know if you know about the gun versus needle thing. But –
Geoff: I've seen both done. I don't know any pros and cons of the process.
Georgie: So, the needle’s – the needle’s better. The gun basically pushes into the – like, push force force pushes the piercing, like the earring into the flesh. And then if you do it at the top of your ear where the cartilage is there's a possibility you'll break the cartilage and shatter it and cause some serious permanent damage.
Geoff: Sounds fun.
Georgie: So a lot of people – yeah, not a lot of people know this, which is why people kind of call out when, like, cheap jewellery shops, start doing piercings with guns because it's quite unsafe. So you should actually go to a reputable piercing studio where they use a needle and they push the needle. So it's, I guess, how do I explain this? Then there's a long needle and on one end is the is the earring that goes through the ear. And as you pull the or push the needle through the ear, the earring goes into the hole that you've just made. So there's like kind of no – and because the needles like comes to a point, I'm making gestures and you can't really see. But because the needle comes to a point it's just a lot safer this damage that can be caused to the ear because you’re creating the hole in a better in a safe way.
Geoff: Yeah, it kind of sounds like taking a nail gun to your ear.
Georgie: Yes.
Geoff: Versus just pressing a, like a needle, through a hole.
Georgie: Pretty much.
Geoff: Yeah, add the added pressure sounds insane to put on your ear. I won't connect it to anything that a male has to do, because I don't think there's any equivalent like Shaving is probably like the closest thing to say.
Georgie: But men can get their ears pierced too.
Geoff: Yeah, I mean, like –
Georgie: Men can get their ears pierced.
Geoff: Yeah, I know. I know men can get their ears pierced, but –
Georgie: Would you get your ears pierced Geoff? I'll come with you.
Geoff: No, I'm not gonna get my ears pierced. I don't – I'm a minimalist – I don't add extra things to my body.
Georgie: Haha you’re not gonna get seven piercings.
Geoff: And then I have to go buy stuff to put in the holes. Man, it’s just an un-ending chore. And then –
Georgie: It’s quite funny that you say that actually. Because my last piercing was – like I had to pay for the jewellery to go in it, right. And it was like a few hundred dollars.
And it kinda hurt a bit, but yeah, it’s expensive to get jewellery in there as well as making the hole in your hear.
Geoff: The only needle that’s going anywhere near my body are vaccines and blood tests.
Georgie: Fair enough.
Geoff: Don’t know why I had to make that statement, to be honest. It sounds like a fairly regular thing to –
Georgie: Obvious.
Geoff: …to accept as needles to the body. I mean, tattooing though. That’s super next level.
Georgie: That’s needles.
Geoff: That’s needles as well. Um, I watched a video on the traditional Japanese tattooing.
Georgie: Ooh tell me more.
Geoff: They basically take a stake, and they dip that stake in some – stake I mean not the meat steak, the wooden stake, just to clarify – they basically take a really sharp one, and then they, they hammer that underneath your skin. So they basically poke a thousand holes in your skin with a hammer and a piece of wood, dyed in ink. And it’s very very painful.
Georgie: No way.
Geoff: Yeah.
Georgie: But wouldn’t the wood splinter?
Geoff: I have no idea. Like, I’ll find it and I’ll link it in the show notes. But the process is not a very painless process. You’d be better off with the needle injecting the ink underneath your skin.
Georgie: Yeah, it just sounds like a more archaic version of the way you’d actually get tattooed.
Geoff: Yeah, and if you imagine those yakuza who have full back tattoos you’re only really classified, you know, official, if you do it the traditional way – take the pain. Because that’s the whole point. To show the yakuza members and other people that you can withstand a lot of pain by getting a full back tattoo done the traditional way. I actually saw a tweet recently where someone asked like, for any recommendations on people who still do it this way. Hehehe what…
Georgie: Woah.
Geoff: You do you I guess. And that’s about all we have time for! Don’t forget to like and subscribe wherever you’re watching. I don’t even know if there is a like on this thing.
Georgie: Is there a like?
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Geoff: Yeah, give a shout-out!
Georgie: I need to give a shout-out to my audio.
Geoff: Audio? Oh yeah, it made your voice sound sexy, as promised.
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