Paying $500 for a concert ticket, trying to nab a PS5, trying not to fangirl at your first ever gig, and RIP iPod Classic. Let Georgie know if you got tickets to The Wiggles. Which band do you want to see reunite?
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Expensive concert tickets, trying to nab a PS5, trying not to fangirl at your first ever gig, and RIP iPod Classic. Let Georgie know if you got tickets to The Wiggles. Which band do you want to see reunite?
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Georgie 0:00
Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Toast & Roast, I am your co host Georgie and I'm here with as usual with Geoff!
Geoff 0:08
Hello, hello it is a fine day to buy Wiggles tickets, I hear.
Georgie 0:15
I am trying to buy them but I think – they haven’t sold out, but – so the Wiggles, which we talked about in I don't remember which episode or whatever...
Geoff 0:24
Never mind everyone, if you haven't listened to that episode, you just got to go through all of them and find it.
Georgie 0:31
Okay, but The Wiggles are like a children's music group, which like, started in like the 90s, which is when Geoff and I were kids –
Geoff 0:41
Oh episode nine.
Georgie 0:42
They’re having a reunion tour. Oh, good one. So they're having a reunion tour. Like the original Wiggles.
Geoff 0:47
It's quite mad. How old are they?
Georgie 0:48
The lineup has changed. Probably 50 mid 50s or something like that...
Geoff 0:54
Were they like recording when they were 20? The Wiggles here we go, back anyways, so you're trying – they're doing a reunion tour?
Georgie 1:05
Yeah, so –
Geoff 1:05
Because...
Georgie 1:05
The original lineup
Geoff 1:07
...they've run out of money.
Georgie 1:08
So that's, I don't know why. Okay, but apparently they –
Geoff 1:12
It’s the only reason anyone gets back together.
Georgie 1:17
But they're not getting back together. I think it's probably, it could be a what's the word? Like, sometimes there's an album, and then they have a 10 year anniversary tour or something like that, actually, you know, you know, Armor For Sleep, how we mentioned them in a previous episode as well. Yeah. And you said you knew them, yeah, they, they had a 20 year reunion tour for the What To Do When You Are Dead album. And I was like, wow, has it really been that long?
Geoff 1:46
You know, what's interesting was released is that I'm pretty sure I think Acca Dacca or I mean, ACDC. Did they, did they also break up and then come back? I’m pretty sure like John Farnham, like constantly comes back, even though he's like, this is my final tour.
Georgie 2:08
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 2:09
Kiss, maybe, I don't know. There's a bunch of bands out there that just don't know when to give up. To be honest.
Georgie 2:17
I don't think they don't know when to give up. I think they do want to come together and celebrate something. Like whether it's an album, or since they broke up,
Geoff 2:26
You know, a band that no one ever thought would ever come back together. ABBA. They did a virtual concert during COVID. I thought that was quite interesting. But yeah, so Jeff, is 68. So...
Georgie 2:49
Jeff from The Wiggles?
Geoff 2:50
From The Wiggles. Yeah. And Anthony is 58. Whoa, they have a 10 year difference. That means what, like, Jeff was, like 20. And he was like, 10 years old when they were doing The Wiggles 1991 1950...eight? How do I do math?
Georgie 3:13
From what I read, from what I read about Jeff from The Wiggles on his Wikipedia page and some videos, I think he was the only one from the original Wiggles lineup who didn't do like an academic degree in in like children's education. He did something else. And so he was invited by the other guys to come and do that, because they valued his basically – because they used to be called The Cockroaches. Right? They started a band. Yeah. And they valued his musical input, even though he hadn't, like, done a degree in like children's education. And maybe that reflects in his age, like maybe he was, already had a career in something else or whatever.
Geoff 3:55
He was 38. When they were doing Wiggles.
Georgie 3:57
When they started Wiggles?
Geoff 3:58
Yeah, so 38 would mean yeah, 1991. And that means Anthony was 28, which is already kind of old to start a whole band, right?
Georgie 4:11
Did they already have kids at that point? Maybe? I don't know.
Geoff 4:15
They were The Cockroaches just prior, like you said.
Georgie 4:18
Yeah.
Geoff 4:20
Which was till 1994 – so 1979 to 1994. Okay, so they'd been like, Anthony and Jeff had already been touring for like, I don't know. 15 odd years prior to that. Wait, no way. 28 minus 15. That doesn't sound right. All right, let's let's, let's move on.
Georgie 4:45
You can’t do math. So interesting. It's interesting that you bring up the ages though, because I think most people think like to start a band, if – and if that's going to be your like, your career. I didn't think that that was their intended, intended career. I don't think they intended to be that they didn't know they're gonna be that popular and so on. But I think most people would start in their 20s or maybe even younger, but I find it interesting because there was this band called Loon Lake from Melbourne. I think they've broken up and I think actually went to that last show.
Geoff 5:20
Did you cry.
Georgie 5:20
And, nah, didn't like that. They were just like, they were popular on the Australian music scene. But the band members were quite old for I mean, compared to a lot of other musician, Australian musicians at the time who were popular. And they already had kids and everything and they started the band is like a fun thing. And then they became more popular than expected, which seems like a common thing. But yeah, it's cute. I mean, whatever, I think you can start a band anytime you want, I guess.
Geoff 5:50
Yeah. And then and –
Georgie 5:51
Age is just a number.
Geoff 5:52
And then you have Japan where like, bands are comprised of like, high school girls, that are like frickin 13, 14, 15
Georgie 6:06
Oh, like the the Jap pop groups.
Geoff 6:08
Pop groups yeah. The less, there's less like produced ones. But like, I mean the biggest produced one is AKB48 which has over 48 people in it.
Georgie 6:21
Aren’t they more controlled though, like they have, they select, hand-select people who probably have a certain age group and demographic, appearance, etc.
Geoff 6:31
I think it's also a fairly –
Georgie 6:33
Manufactured.
Geoff 6:34
Fairly bootcampy, like, yeah, like Kpop is pretty boot camp. But there is a band –
Georgie 6:43
What do you mean by bootcamp in this context?
Geoff 6:46
Oh, as in like, when you're like 13 or something, or of age you like apply to start your training as a Kpop Star? And then you debut when you're like, 16 or 17, maybe 18 I have no idea what the process is. But yeah, the idea is that everybody goes through this bootcamp-like experience, it's very artificial. It – none of them are like super, you know, the the typical story about you know, they really love music when they were kids and then they got their start singing in bars and pubs or something like that. And then they start touring with the band, and then they become big. That that kind of story isn't, isn't quite popular in I guess, Southeast Asia where, you know, you go into it, very, very organised. Very manufactured. You get certain sounds, you do certain music and you can't have a boyfriend or girlfriend and that's that's your life, like really planned success, planned success for these people.
Georgie 8:00
I laughed, but it is it is true. And I remember this story coming out about one of the, one of the girls in one of the the either Korean or Japanese pop groups, it might have been AKB48. She was like dating a guy from like a part of the boy pop groups and like in secret, and it just sucked that the media like chided her so much more than they did him. And like, he just didn't get any of the negative press. He wasn't, he was treated completely fine, she had to shave her head and all of this other shit.
Geoff 8:37
It's crazy. Yeah. But the idea behind the whole dating thing is that, like, your single, their single status is way more marketable than if they were in a relationship. You have like hundreds of 1000s of guys wanting to basically be this girl's boyfriend. And if she has a boyfriend, then they can't pine for her. And therefore, less marketability. The guy is kind of different, right? We know the, we know the bias is here, the stereotypes and the sexism around it. And it's probably just because of those things. The guy can basically have multiple girls and everybody be kind of okay with it. And not so much big of a backlash. Sure some girls might feel disappointed, but I think Yeah,
Georgie 9:34
They want the fame?
Geoff 9:35
The sexism, the sexism kind of plays in a pot when they go. If he has a girlfriend, I'll just beat her up or something. I don't know. Too much TV.
Georgie 9:47
I think it's just like the, this this whole thing of like women being like, pure and not dating anybody.
Geoff 9:53
Yeah, purity.
Georgie 9:54
And completely fetishise which, I mean, I hate this, but, yeah.
Geoff 9:59
Anyways, so I was thinking of this one band that was a group of high school girls who were like, who had like a, I think they were in a music club together. And then they actually formed this rock band. And then just I think they were like 13, 14 and 15. And then as they started getting closer to like, going to college or whatever, or universities and and like thinking about what they're going to do in the future, they, they disbanded. They disbanded it did like a farewell like concert and man was it the most emotional thing. They, they like, broke out in tears on stage and yeah. But I think there’s an anime based – I thought the, there’s an anime that was based on them. I don't know that it's conclusive, but that's how I got there. I was like, I watched an anime and then I read about how there's a band that’s similar to the anime, and then I went in on this journey. This like discovering this, this band and realising that they had they had to break up. It's very emotional. But yeah, you're gonna you're serious about getting these Wiggle tickets.
Well, I just thought it’s be funny, right? Okay, so it’s not like I'm a die hard fan of the Wiggles
How much are these tickets?
Georgie 11:27
It’s not – surprisingly, only $45. So the most expensive concert tickets I've ever bought. I pretty sure were like Hans Zimmer. I think they were like, $170. Oh, no, wait, no, no, take that back. Take that back. We, you know, StubHub, where you buy like –
Geoff 11:44
Oh, I think I’ve heard of them.
Georgie 11:45
People have, yeah, so people buy tickets, and they resell them for fucking inflated price, especially when they're in high demand. We went to New York in, ah shit, can’t remember what year it was, 2018? We saw Billy Joel. But we had to we wanted to anyway, it just happened to be we didn't plan this. It just so happened to be his 100th concert at Madison Square Garden. So a kind of big deal. And we had sort of planned our trip around being able to see him during the time we were in New York. And we tried to get the tick–like we, we we just jumped on as soon as they had become available. You know, they tell you when they want the time at which tickets go on sale. But they were just gone like so quickly. And there must have been people like really trying to get them because they they knew it was going to be popular. So we ended up buying them through StubHub and the person I mean, they ended up being like 500 something dollars. Very well worth it though. I really enjoyed that concert.
Geoff 12:48
$500.
Georgie 12:51
Yeah, and originally like if you were able to buy them from the website or whatever, it would have been like 100 or something like that. So yeah, well, the tick–the tickets were legit, but it's just I guess it was kind of obvious because a lot of other people were complaining as well. It was kind of obvious that a lot of people had bought a lot of tickets for Billy Joel with the intention of reselling them and making money off of them.
Geoff 13:17
Man, scalpers, you don't have to tell me about scalpers. The first time – this is like the first and only time I've ever dealt or ever seen scalpers in such a way outside of tickets, I guess. And that was like the PS5, it's like –
Georgie 13:37
Oh.
Geoff 13:37
I had never seen I had never seen or experienced that until the PS5. So for context, I am one of the very lucky people who got a pre order on the PS5 and the first batch and I got it on the the day of release I think it was something like September 19 2020. And I was you know, not expecting anything very much I had woke up in the morning, realised that they had released the PS5 and my friends like, oh the pre order’s out, I'm like, yeah, I guess I'll put down a pre order. No biggie. Right? If they don't get–if I don't get it the first batch, doesn't really matter to me. And then I saw it completely blow up on the internet.
Georgie 14:30
Yep.
Geoff 14:31
People were like, I can't preorder anymore. Oh my god, where can I get one and here I'm going oh shit. I don't know if I'm going to get one. And then like as the weeks and like leading up to the release, they started giving me more information, they’re like, oh put your card details in here. Give us your address, and then you pay for it. And I'm like, well if I paid for it, fucking give it to me, right? So I mean, like, once I got it, everybody's like, oh shit. Like, there's no more left and everyone's like scrambling and then you go onto eBay. And this thing's supposed to be like $650 starting, then you see things for like $1300, like people are just absolutely mad with pricing, the PS5. I do know of one person who bought two, and then saw the prices go up and then sold it at a higher price. And I'm like –
Georgie 15:31
Successfully?
Geoff 15:31
I just – successfully. And I was like, that that's an asshole. I never want to meet that person. Don't even introduce me to someone who's like, willing to take advantage of the market like that. I was contemplating like, maybe I can get mine later. I'll just sell mine at retail, and then give give somebody the opportunity. But you know what, I worked hard. I worked hard to get my PS5, I pressed that button. And I pressed it early.
Georgie 16:00
You didn't not work hard. So did I tell you what happened to Nick, because he got one he ended up finding this this Twitter account? That I don't know how. But I think it's scraped the data, of different retailers.
Geoff 16:15
So it's putting that the scalping bot’s power into a Twitter and telling people about it.
Georgie 16:22
Maybe? I don't know, like, it, they somehow were able to get notified when a retailer would have it in stock, for example, like JB Hifi. Yeah. And then they were able to tweet about it. And so Nick started following and getting notifications for... this was well after like the craze, right? This was probably, I don't know, six months or something after after it actually was released. But yeah, then he saw one for JB Hifi near us. And he called them up straight away. And the guy on the phone said, oh, yeah, you gotta come right now. Like otherwise it's gonna be – you gotta come right now. I think they had like a few in stock. So there was still a process behind it. They still have to go there. And they didn't have them there. They just knew they were getting them later that week. And he had to pay a deposit. And the amount like immediately.
Geoff 17:14
Like 50 bucks or something?
Georgie 17:15
It might have been like, I think I was like $50 to $100. I think if it was cash, it was like the cash or card it was different. But yeah, but he was just like, yeah yeah, I want it. So and then, while we were there and he was making the deposit someone called up the person at the counter. The person at the counter who was serving us picked up the phone, and it was obvious that the person calling was asking about it as well. Oh, and earlier I think it might have been a couple weeks earlier we would we were in Tasmania. We went – Hobart, which is the capital city of Tasmania and we went to the JB Hifi there and we saw a woman and her daughter – I assume her daughter – speaking to a man asking like about what we – assumed like, the word PlayStation 5 was not said at all. But you could, the staff, the staff members said oh yeah, there's one in Launceston. Like, and she's like, oh I could drive there right now and well they must be talking about the PS5.
Geoff 18:22
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 18:24
You can drive. Yeah. You can drive, it like, it's like two hours or something. So like, and the funny thing is, I think we had, we were thinking about like beating them. But it was so silly. And then like thinking about how to then get the PlayStation 5 onto the plane without anyone trying to rob you and all this stuff.
Geoff 18:43
Don't get me started about that actually. All right, I mean I am started. When, so, I got it in September right, and I had, I was going back to Perth, that, in December and I realised that I had to go into two week quarantine when I arrived in Perth and I was like what the hell am I going to do in two weeks of quarantine? I guess I could bring my PS5. So no joke, I pack the PS5 and I put it in the suitcase and then...
Georgie 19:13
Carry on?
Geoff 19:14
Not carry on, into into check in suitcase and as I was like, oh my god, if it's broken I'd be livid. But also I hope no one scans my luggage, notices a PS fucking 5 in there, and then like, steals it. Because you know, baggage goes missing. But so yeah, I took it all the way to Perth, and then I brought it all the way back. But in order to do that, I had to borrow a big ass suitcase from my friend. So what I did was I took the empty box, and I basically carried it to a rental car like like a Go Get, and I just carried the empty PS5 box, and I was like, holy shit someone’s gonna just beat me up with this empty box. I hope not. It's like, “dude, sorry, it's empty, it's empty!” But but yeah, it was kind of crazy. I feel like people who said they didn't want one prior, like in the first batch started getting thirstier and thirstier as like the news cycles started ramping up on how hard it is to get one. Man.
Georgie 20:24
It’s like FOMO. And like, to be honest I don't like this whole phenomenon of FOMO right. And I'm someone kind of, I dunno, pitched? Or whatever. But I don't have Facebook right? And I've never had Facebook and people who said, “oh what if you invited to a party?” and so on. I was like, look if someone wanted to invite me to a party they’ve got my phone number they can text me, all good. If I didn't get invited to the party, well I don't really care. You obviously don't care about me enough to invite me. And they’re like oh, but don't you know like, what if what if, you know, what you, you don't know what you're missing out on or whatever? And I'm like, look, I made the choice to not get this stupid social network thing. Like I don't – FOMO is something you bring upon yourself. Fear of missing out is like it's your fault, right? Like if I find out about like – for example, there's a vegan festival in Sydney, right? Which I've been to once. And like a couple of times I – it goes every month – and a couple of times I forgot about it and I didn't realise until the day after or whatever, and it's like oh damn, I didn't get to go but that's like that's my fault. Like I just feel like this FOMO thing is like or, you find out about some – you like burgers Geoff right? You find out about some new burger joint, it got really popular, and they had like, I don't know, like a two-for-one deal like yesterday. Like you can't get FOMO from a thing that like, you don't even know about, and also that you weren't even aware of. I just don't understand this concept.
Geoff 21:47
Yeah, I completely completely agree. Like I feel like, you know things also repeat, there's there's gonna be another time to do that thing. As long as it's not you know, erased off the world I feel like there's no point in stressing about missing out on something. It's same with sales right? You look – I subscribe, I actually subscribe to Oz Bargain on Reddit. So I scroll through Oz Bargain every every day I guess at one point or another and you know what? Looking at some sales I'm like oh yeah that's pretty good price for that thing that I don't actually need, but I could need I would need it later maybe, and I'm like, you know, doing all this mental math about whether or not I should buy it but in reality there's got to be other sales. This is going to be a newer thing to buy like missing out now could actually be better than you buying it now. It's like everyone who jumped on board the MacBook M1 thing bought the thing. Maybe three weeks prior to knowing that there's an Apple Event and then looking at all the new ones and going oh shit, now, now I know I got to you know maybe figure out how to buy the new one but –
Georgie 23:13
Because it’s so much better.
Geoff 23:14
Because it’s so much, quote unquote, better. But really it's like does, did, were you happy with the thing that you bought? Like when you read all of the things that you were buying? And you said it covers what I need to do and you are happy to spend that money. Like, then you should be –
Georgie 23:37
If you made a good decision in the first place then...
Geoff 23:39
Exactly.
Georgie 23:40
...you’d be fine with that, and then like why would you then just like, kind of regret that decision just because later there's a better thing but like you knew there was going to be another thing.
Geoff 23:48
Yeah yeah.
Georgie 23:49
Like you knew, like you knew with like tech right? You know that in the future there's gonna be a better one.
Geoff 23:55
It's also your fault for not checking.
Georgie 23:56
You thought about that when you decided. Yeah. I think this can also be applied to like concerts right? So if I miss out on these Wiggles tickets there’s probably gonna be another one. And this reminds me of when I went to my first –
Geoff 24:10
Not if they die.
Georgie 24:10
Yeah, well that's different. This reminds me of when I went – before I went to my first concert it was maybe like 2008 like my last year of high school or something, and Armor For Sleep were doing, I think they were doing last their last show in like New York and New Jersey in... and I'd never been overseas, and I was actually in my mind thinking of going to New York just to see them for quote unquote, the last time and like, paying for the ticket and then paying like, I think at that time was like 1000 bucks for return tickets.
Geoff 24:47
Oh man.
Georgie 24:47
And as a, like a high school student I was like, that’s a lot of fucking money, and then like, how was I gonna like, you know, I wasn't gonna convince my mom that this was like, totes legit right. And then what they what did they do? Like, I think 10 years later, they had a reunion tour. And then, like, last year or this this year, they're doing more tours now because shit’s opening up in the US and they're doing, like another fucking reunion tour. And then another thing that happened was the band Anberlin, have you heard of Anberlin? They like a Christian Rock – quote unquote, Christian rock, they're like a rock band. Probably In a similar vein, to Armor For Sleep but less emo, and yeah anyway.
Geoff 25:33
Were they executed by a guy called Henry? Who, thing? Yeah? Nah?
Georgie 25:39
No... I don’t know...
Geoff 25:40
Anberlin executed by Hen–King Henry VIII? I'm pretty sure.
Georgie 25:46
I think their name, I think their name came from. Was it Am... was like Amberlynn was someone's daughter's name in the band?
Geoff 25:57
Oh, okay.
Georgie 25:58
Or, or they were trying to say “and Berlin” and it just sounded like. I can't remember when.
Geoff 26:04
Sorry. My history is terrible.
Georgie 26:06
Oh mine too.
Geoff 26:06
She's the queen of England. Amberlyn was the freaking Queen of England. Second as the second wife of King Henry VIII. Wait, no, she, yeah, of course. She had to marry him. Oh, she was executed, executed beheading for treason and other charges. Yeah. Anyway, so.
Georgie 26:26
Anyway, so they’re a Christian rock band and they did have some songs that referenced like God and stuff or whatever, but they were pretty popular. And I mean, I don't even know there's anything like rather defining about the music, they’re rock, and their lyrics are quite deep, I guess you could say. So they had a farewell tour in like 2012 I was like, oh my god, I gotta go. And I think that might have actually been the only time I saw them as well. So it's like the first time I saw them was happened to be their farewell tour. And then what happened? They came back four years later, they're like, hey, we're gonna have, we're gonna be together again and I'm like, okay, all right.
Geoff 27:07
I try to play on people's phones sometimes like we're we got a pop, pop pop culture conventions, me and my friends. And of course there's gonna be some superstar that that my friends like. Who was, who was it? Um, I guess I think Chris Hemsworth was there. Stan Lee, Stan Lee, the guy who created Marvel Comics, right? Yeah, so you know anytime there's some kind of superstar and my friend had decided not to get their autograph or something. I'll kind of like, go, “but this could be the only time that they're here. You should totally get their their autograph” and I, and I troll people like that. I troll people’s FOMO just but it's like out of their own interest, To be honest I really wanted it I'm like you want it you just go get it go and get it of course pending you know everyone's budgetary limitations. Like $1,000 to fly to New York for a day and back is probably a bit extravagant even by my standards but but my friend like – they actually went and bought this really cool like heavy metal replica of Milner the hammer that Thor wields in the movies and got Chris Hemsworth to sign said hammer so all together, I'm like, that's a pretty good, you know collection of things that you don't want to miss out on getting autographed, but Chris Hemsworth kind of lives here and that store wasn't gonna go anywhere. The only thing is, like, you will pass the store and the store because all their stuff is quite heavy. They discounted just before the convention ends so they don't have to ship it. Oh –
Georgie 29:05
They just want to rid of it?
Geoff 29:06
Yeah, so that's where you're like oh shit this is like really good deal, and I can go get it signed, and oh my god, it was just all together you know? When when you when you're a fan of things I think that's a –
Georgie 29:19
Yeah.
Geoff 29:19
That's a big thing. I'm a fan of pretty much nothing. So it's really easy for me to just play on people like that rather than – because it doesn't quite affect me.
Georgie 29:31
When I went to concerts and wanted to talk to the band afterwards or get a photo, because I was like a big fan, I would always – I would get really good at assessing whether I knew that they might stick around for a bit or not. And sometimes they stick around for like two minutes and talk to like two people, and then fuck off. And it depends but you could kind of, once you can't try to talk to enough musicians, you get it you can get a feel for the vibe right? Like are they the kind to really be dedicated to talking to people afterwards to or talking to their fans and signing stuff, really like hanging out at the merch desk...
Geoff 30:08
Oh yeah.
Georgie 30:08
Or are they like so big and like they're just so famous that there's like, or like it's at a stadium and there's no way you can like see them, there's no way you can just stand for two hours outside fuckin Qudos Bank Arena and hope that like, Hans Zimmer is gonna walk out. You know, you know what I mean?
Geoff 30:26
Oh my god, Hans Zimmer...!
Georgie 30:26
Like the most of the bands that I actually seen they're like local or I mean... I feel like my taste in music is is quite broad, but I, if I were to name some of the famous people I've met no one probably heard of them. Like I've met some of the guys, the guys from Marianas Trench, who’s like a Canadian pop rock band. That's probably the most famous like, international star I’ve seen.
Geoff 30:56
What do you do? What do you do when you meet them?
Georgie 30:59
So I don't want to be I don't want to be like a fangirly creep or anything like that right? But oh, did I tell you how I met Ben Jorgensen from Armor For Sleep? I told you that was my first gig.
Geoff 31:11
No?
Georgie 31:11
Okay, so that was my first gig and I was like, why is he coming to Australia right? Like why would this guy from a punk rock band in in New York...
Geoff 31:22
That’s right, he soloed here.
Georgie 31:23
Yeah, he had a solo career like a brief one and around the time I was into like making fan sites and stuff, and I had like one for him and like I'd actually you know being all like, you know, teenage fangirly, I'd actually responded to some of his tweets on Twitter and got really excited when he replied well liked it or whatever and so I I was way early It was like five or six o'clock and I was like, at, this gig was like a little bar in, behind Central Station. And I, I just waited and I said hello I was like Hi I'm I'm Georgie I follow you on Twitter or whatever and he goes oh yeah it was like oh you're really early we're not on until like 11. Haha it was like fucking 5:30. And then he said like, or he said, “I remember you you make like the websites” and I was like holy shit, you remember me! I was just like crapping myself.
Geoff 32:15
He knows how creepy you are
Georgie 32:16
I guess so yeah, but he was nice right and then I asked if I could have a picture and like it just felt uber fangirly, like I was always wearing like the Ben Jorgensen shirt and everything and like yeah but I asked for picture, that was cool. And then like afterwards like you know, I, and this is this is where like I tried not to be creepy and I just say look I really enjoyed like the show like thanks for playing like it's a really great meeting you as well. Like usually I make a comment on the performance and then if they've released any music – it's, it sounds almost calculated but, but yeah, but it's just a way to start...
Geoff 32:54
Yeah, what else are you going to talk about.
Georgie 32:55
...way to start the conversation and then like you find out what else from there right because like I think we actually did end up kind of chatting about how he went to the zoo with his girlfriend now wife – and now I really sound like a creep – but yeah, and then like I felt like is this too much? I said “Can you sign like your EP?” like, can you sign it? Like he was all cool with it and yeah, so. It has, when you approach I think you just have to have – and a stranger who is like famous – I think remember that they're pretty much a regular person. Like if fame hasn't gotten to their head, and like, the main thing is they've just, they’re fucking tired, they're just put on a big concert or whatever right? So appreciate that they're there and like, and not like running off backstage and you know, thank them for that and then. I dunno, you can talk about, look, I really liked the song or whatever and yeah.
Geoff 33:09
Yeah, I think like, if you're a famous like famous people, do, they do like appreciation because I mean, everyone likes appreciation. Right? So go in with you know, an appreciative angle and then I guess you'll you'll make it make your way through.
Georgie 34:14
Yeah, and it's not creepy.
Geoff 34:16
...a weird ass conversation with a stranger. The I mean, it's always so strange because they know absolutely nothing about you, but you know, a moderate a moderate amount of information about them.
Georgie 34:28
Yeah.
Geoff 34:29
So always have that in mind. So you don't you don't come off too creepy. My, one of my friends, have you heard of Endless Heights?
Georgie 34:43
No.
Geoff 34:43
The bad?
Georgie 34:44
It sounds vaguely familiar but I don’t think I’ve heard of them.
Geoff 34:47
Yeah, I know one of the band members. I went to only one of their gigs. Way, way back and I sat at their merch table. It was very surreal, experience knowing someone in a rock band and I know, I know them because they're the, they're a partner of my, of an actual friend. Yeah. So, so yeah, that's as close as I got to some kind of rock, rock band or band celebrity maybe even a celebrity. Do I know any celebrities? Oh my god so there’s this one girl from like, primary school that went on to MasterChef. They didn't win, but I guess that is a connection to a celebrity of some sorts. And one of the MasterChef winners used to work at Deloitte, so I was like yay Deloitte represent – I don't know, there's no, I'm not taking any pride in people. But yeah, do you do you actually like have a connection with any like semi famous people?
Georgie 36:04
Hmm I don't think I do. Um, not close enough for me to remember and be like oh yeah, I know this person or. Actually I, do you remember the band that played at my wedding? I know you weren’t at my wedding.
Geoff 36:26
Yeah I was like wait a second. I don't think I was at your wedding.
Georgie 36:29
“I don’t think I was there”. Well we all know who wasn't.
Geoff 36:32
I was the bad at your wedding. Yeah we all know who wasn’t.
Georgie 36:39
I don't know, yeah, um, I don't know if you remember me talking about it. But there's there's a band called Hey Geronimo.
Geoff 36:45
I have heard of this Hey Geronimo band and it's probably because of you
Georgie 36:48
It's probably because, probably because of me because I was like man, I'm like the number one fan like I found out about them in 2012 and I basically went to so many gigs and I really enjoyed the music. To be fair, like I'll just I'll just be honest, right, like when people ask what your favourite band is, sometimes it can be hard because you might like listen to a bunch of music and also music changes over the different areas so that depends.
Geoff 37:13
Also I don't know half the bands I listen to. I listen to songs!
Georgie 37:18
Yeah so, yeah oh that's another thing that is quite interesting. I'll get into that after the wedding story right. So hey–yeah I I went and saw Hey Geronimo multiple times, I was like the big fan who picked up the setlist all the time after their gigs and stuff, and when when Nick and I started going out we went to their gigs together went, yeah. And I just like I just really wanted them to play at our wedding because I was just like a big–and they they knew me because I kind of I guess you could say, wouldn’t say became friends, but because I ended up having a lot of conversations with them and it wasn't like creepy.
Geoff 37:59
Acquaintances.
Georgie 38:00
Yeah. Um yeah, I was gonna say that they're not like the most amazing band ever but they they were really approachable people; they were cool; they enjoyed playing their instruments; the music was really like different, creative; and their gigs were fun and like I liked them because it was just not just about the music but the like the presence that they, that they brought. So like we, after one of their gigs, we were just like hey can you can you play at our wedding, and they were just like oh my god yeah of course of course. Like and we had to sort out some logistics and stuff, but that was that was pretty fun and kind of, and kind of, kind of special. So yeah.
Geoff 38:35
That is cool. You do know someone famous. You could probably email them now.
Georgie 38:41
Maybe? Yeah, um.
Geoff 38:42
Do you follow them on Instagram?
Georgie 38:44
What, yeah.
Geoff 38:45
Do you DM them?
Georgie 38:46
Yeah, I mean like, they went on a bit of a hiatus and stuff oh my gosh, I don't know if I should say this on the podcast, but I mean, it's not not a big deal, but um, the bass player. He was looking for a iPod Classic. The ones that held just music, those really, the old ones that held a lot of music, and just music before before like we had iPod Touch and everything, everyone put you know, stream–streaming services and all that. So their bass player was looking for one and I happened to have one that I didn't actually want anymore and I was like “oh yeah, you can have mine”, so he bought it off me and that was kind of cool and just random. Yeah,
Geoff 39:27
I have a friend who will not give up his iPod Classic and only for the sole reason of a, the, listen count. He's, he's got every thing – all the metadata inside this inside this iPod Classic and he can't let go. Like just go to the cloud man but he wants to keep his listen count and he's like meticulously ordered all of the songs into into like albums and stuff and playlists and stuff like That, and that stuff isn't just isn't transferable anymore I think.
Georgie 40:03
Yeah, it's not. And I know because I was that person. I started using Spotify in 2015? 2014? With extreme reluctance, extreme reluctance, because I had the, you know, 50 gigabyte music library. I don't know, it's 50 gigabyte, or whether it was like I had 50,000 songs. I took care of all the album artwork, even though it's like this big digital library.
Geoff 40:31
Oh he did that too. Yeah.
Georgie 40:31
And like, I didn't, I wasn’t that attached to the play counts. But it was nice to have the smart playlists that told you all right, you've listened to these are the top 25 and so on, I was more attached to the whole library organisational factor, and that every single piece of music I listened to – even shit I hate – and this is I think this is the realisation, is like, you may collect music over time, digitally. And then you're like, oh, I don’t actually like the song anymore. And even then, I was reluctant to like, remove it from my library, because it was like thing I collected. But yeah, I reluctantly moved to Spotify. And now I'm on Apple Music because like I was just in that Apple ecosystem, using Apple Music has gotten better over time. And I actually don't mind it too much. But yeah, streaming services, I, it made me a bit sad, I think because I was one of those people very attached to the, to the music libraries. And you did mention, like you don't listen to bands, you listen to like songs. Which reminds me of when, like, the way I approach music, or used to, I think I still do this now, is I find a band's song that I really like. And then I'll, I'll dig deeper, and then I'll listen to the album that that song is on, and I'll go through their whole back catalogue and you know, I won’t like it. I feel like sometimes I assume I will. But the reality is that you don't always like every single thing that an artist creates. And Nick –
Geoff 41:55
Yeah.
Georgie 41:56
Nick has this as well. Like, but he he's very like particular about what he adds to his library. Like he'll, he'll go to the album. And he'll pick like the song – only the songs that he likes. And the thing that really grinds my gears about this is because, like, I like an album, even though I don't like all the songs in the album, I like to listen to it as like a piece of work, and so I’ll play it in the car or at the gym. And Nick doesn't save an entire album. And so he'll start playing it in the car. And then the next song won't be the one that I expect. And I was like, why did you not save the whole album? It's frustrating. I'm like, I fully expected this song to be next. And he didn't save the whole thing. And now I have to go find and he's like, “Well, I didn't like that song”. I'm like, Well, that's all well and good. But this is not how I listen to music.
Geoff 42:44
Yeah, my partner Dorinda, she kind of does something similar to Nick, listens to all the songs in a particular album, picks the ones that she likes. And it's funny because I actually really like this song Classic by MKTO. And I sent it to her. And she went on the journey, she went and listened to all of the like previous songs and she found like three or four other songs that she really liked from them. I had never heard of, I literally saw the ba–I only see the band for that one song and I just, like just didn't listen to anything else. They may but they make some other really good songs as well. So we have a we have like a combined playlist of songs we both enjoy and then like and, and listen to. So. But yeah, I don't think I've ever saved a whole album. I the only one is probably Hamilton, where God forbid, if you shuffle that or you just pick one song out of it.
Georgie 43:47
Feels wrong.
Geoff 43:48
It just doesn't work. It feels so wrong, because the songs flow into each other...
Georgie 43:53
Yeah.
Geoff 43:54
...narratively. And I get that some albums are like that. I think Daft Punk.
Georgie 44:02
Yeah.
Geoff 44:03
Like Random Access Memories.
Georgie 44:04
Yep yep yep.
Geoff 44:04
That one is kind of like you have to listen through a whole album because it's kind of very narrative and connected. So yeah, Hamilton, you have, you have to listen from the beginning. Next song, the next song, you skip a song, it just doesn't make sense, then get out. Yeah, speaking, speaking of getting out, we have to get out of this podcast. So thanks, everyone for listening. You can follow us on @toastroastpod on Twitter and Instagram, mostly Twitter.
Georgie 44:40
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Geoff 44:48
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Georgie 45:00
See you next week. Bye!