Should tweets have an edit button? Hotdogs are sandwiches, but is sushi a sandwich? What other clickbait do we need to save each other from?
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Should tweets have an edit button? Hotdogs are sandwiches, but is sushi a sandwich? What other clickbait do we need to save each other from?
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Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Geoff 0:06
And welcome back to another episode of toast roast—Toast & Roast podcast. I am your co host, Geoff—“my name Geoff”—and my co host “hey Georgie...” because we got to bring back the movie references.
Georgie 0:25
Yeah I’d like a balloon, ah no thanks.
Geoff 0:29
Yeah. So—
Georgie 0:30
So you got a pet peeve.
Geoff 0:32
We’re just talking about—yeah, I wrote a pretty good Reddit post, like just describing what the real life of a front end developer was. And I think it’s pretty good. So I’m going to just say, I’m going to write this tweet. And then I’m going to screenshot this tweet and put it on LinkedIn. And then I’m gonna put screenshots of my LinkedIn post on Instagram, because that’s like, my number one pet peeve on Instagram, just fucking load of screenshots, tweet, tweets. And I’m like, if you want, if you want Twitter, just go to Twitter.
Georgie 1:11
I mean, I have seen people—who are advocates for certain things—do this. And I understand that they want to get the same message out in both channels. But as soon as I see on Instagram, just a screenshot of a tweet. I’m like, wait, I also follow you there? Or sometimes I do. And then—
Geoff 1:35
Yeah.
Georgie 1:35
And then they have to go through the work of basically copying the caption that is screenshotted in the actual text of the Instagram caption. And I just don’t know why you don’t just use the, that, that space to a picture that make—I don’t know, I mean, it, it’s so irritating to me.
Geoff 1:54
I mean, it. I guess it comes back to just like Instagram losing all of its photography, meaning, like, because it’s just become—
Georgie 2:03
Videos.
Geoff 2:04
Like just, just BS really. Yeah. But like, we’ve talked about, we’ve talked a little bit about how LinkedIn is a really weird social network to begin with. Like, why do you want clout on LinkedIn? What does the thousands of likes get you on, on LinkedIn? But—
Georgie 2:26
Oh, I have a good analogy that my friend Chris made for LinkedIn. He said, he said he doesn’t like LinkedIn, because it’s like, it’s like having a Tinder profile when you’re in relationship. Yeah, cuz you’re like, you have a job. And then you have a profile where you’re kind of like talking to people and maybe...
Geoff 2:52
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, yeah, that is quite accurate, Tinder profile while you’re in a relationship. Yeah, you’re trying to build up your reputation...
Georgie 3:03
Professionally.
Geoff 3:04
To, to towards other companies. Whilst you’re whilst you have a job? Yeah, it’s really weird. But yeah, I think but my tweet’s too long. It’s, it’s 56 characters over so—
Georgie 3:20
Why don’t you take a screenshot of you attempting to write the tweet and then you tweet that.
Geoff 3:25
(laughs) You know the what, what actually, the thing that does that annoys me most about screenshots of tweets, or like these long screenshots, memos and stuff like that. It’s just not accessible. Like, no screen reader is going to be able to read the bloody image that you posted.
Georgie 3:47
Well you can put the alt text, right, but then—
Geoff 3:49
No one does that.
Georgie 3:51
Yeah, it’s kind of hidden as well.
Geoff 3:55
Like I saw a celebrity. I think they were complaining about, not really complaining, but calling out the fact that they can’t go to the beach without being like—
Georgie 4:08
Oh this is Camila Cabello?
Geoff 4:10
Paparazzai.
Georgie 4:11
She wrote a big message but it was in a screenshot.
Geoff 4:14
Yeah. It was in a, it was in an image.
Georgie 4:16
Yeah.
Geoff 4:17
So I was like, you, but could you get the text and put it in the description, please? Yeah, stuff, stuff like that. I think.
Georgie 4:29
I think there are a few different ways.
Geoff 4:30
It’s easy to do.
Georgie 4:31
Yeah, there’s a few different ways of looking at it. Like although I hate it, one could argue that “Oh, but it got my attention”. Because it’s like, oh, it’s a message, it’s like a big thing in an image. Like one could argue that.
Geoff 4:49
Yeah.
Georgie 4:50
And actually, I don’t have any arguments. Yeah.
Geoff 4:54
I like. Also like in Facebook, I’ve been looking at some of the groups and particularly selling or like P PC, PC building group... go away Siri! I didn’t ask for you. But essentially they like they’re asking you a question. And they’re like “picture is just for gathering attention”.
Georgie 5:22
Ah really, wow. Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 5:25
Isn’t the computer? Picture isn’t the computer that they’re talking about? They’re just asking a question.
Georgie 5:30
Like just like a bowl of spaghetti or something.
Geoff 5:33
Like, oh, man, no, it’s a PC, but it’s not like, they’re talking about something in the PC, but it’s not actually the the thing. Yeah, it’s kind of strange.
Georgie 5:43
Oh, but that’s right. Like it makes sense. Right? Because tweets we they used to just be words no other media. And—
Geoff 5:50
Really?
Georgie 5:51
I think so. Yeah. Like, I mean, I don’t know, I joined back in 2009? 2008? Are you looking at my profile? You creep!
Geoff 6:02
I think we went through this. This was another episode, where we went through each other like Instagram, and Twitter start times. Anyways.
Georgie 6:10
Yeah, it used to just be text. And then I guess people—the same as Instagram people, attention span, attention spans. They don’t want to just read text, they just want to look at a picture. They want to, they peop—so people reach out to their audiences with more captivating shit, so on Instagram, you got fucking videos, on Twitter, you have an image to grab your attention. So then you go “What the fuck is this?” And then you read the actual text, the important part. And it’s it’s probably like some kind of SEO, like hacking the system type shit, but it just feels rather unfair to people who have quality written content, or Instagram people have quality, like, captions that are, like, you know, images that actually tell a story, not just like some real movie thing made to grab your attention.
Geoff 7:04
Yeah, yeah. Well, I started posting some things on my Instagram.
Georgie 7:09
I saw your little plant growing in the drain. I like that one.
Geoff 7:12
Yeah.
Georgie 7:13
Yeah, that was very that was very like artistic in my opinion. But it wasn’t gonna fucking see it because they’re seeing all these fucking reels, you need to have a video Geoff.
Geoff 7:23
I needa reel it. I need to I need to go out and reel the bloody—I should have re—I should have made a video of the plant every fucking day. And then like created a reel.
Georgie 7:33
Yeah. And then put—
Geoff 7:33
Time lapse.
Georgie 7:34
Cheesy text on it, going like—
Geoff 7:38
Even, even the... even the smallest and dankest place can grow life, or whatever.
Georgie 7:44
Exactly, you should have done that. You should have done that, you would have had like a thousand views by now.
Geoff 7:50
Thousands. Millions, and I’ll become famous. But yeah, the whole, the whole space is weird. Like, oh, yeah, recently I watched this guy called Ludwig. He interviewed the CEO of YouTube.
Georgie 8:17
Yeah.
Geoff 8:19
And he, they, she went up on her pod—on the podcast. And I’m like, man, the CEO of YouTube is going up on a on a streamer’s podcast. And he was technically allowed to ask anything he wants.
Georgie 8:33
Wow.
Geoff 8:34
And, you know, it wasn’t as bad as I thought it was gonna be. They covered a few things, like fairly streamer like centric. And she was like, open to the feedback and they discussed removing the dislikes. Right. And it’s funny, because I watched something recently about how they were, it was a reel I think, bloody, they’re in, I don’t want to watch reels, okay, but it’s in the bloody discover feed of my Instagram. And my discover feed. It’s gone to absolute shit.
Georgie 9:10
Oh, tell me about it. Because I’ll tell you about what mine looks like, fuck.
Geoff 9:15
So I think maybe a month ago, my feed was beautiful. I had spent, I had spent something like a week or two, like a year ago just just like, liking some specific things. And then saying I’m not interested in some things and I was like, right, it’s good. So for about a year or so, it was you know, nice looking PC setups. Of course a bunch of Tesla’s look, I’m bored of my feed as well because it’s all just a bunch of computer setups and Tesla’s, but you know, that’s, that’s like better to look at—oh, and architecture—so like tiny houses and stuff like that. That stuff’s nice to look at. If I look at my discovery feed, but now it’s just flooded with screenshots of tweets. A bunch of Instagram models, celebrity quiz stuff. And I’m like, these are things I literally care the least about in my feed. Why? How did it? How did it and I just don’t I just give up. Like, I just want to give up on Instagram.
Georgie 10:27
Yeah, I kind of keep out of that, that discover or explore thing because it’s it’s full, it’s full of shit that I’m not interested in. It usually pertains to my interests, because I think I follow a lot more people than you do. And so the things that I am interested in are like, earring curations and like different piercings and stuff. And that comes up and then sometimes I see some fitness related stuff, but it’s fine, although I’m kind of getting sick of it. So I unfollowed some fitness people. And then it’s got like clothes, because sometimes I do look at clothes. And, but the shit stuff is like completely random crap related to—I assume it’s targeting me because I’m a woman. But it’s like fucking hair ties and shit. Funny, I cut my hair, everybody. So like I have less need for hair ties. There’s like, all of these stupid reels of people trying out different filters. Have you, I don’t know if you know, but there’s some really ridiculous filters. So for people who don’t use like Instagram or know what a filter is. It’s basically like, I mean, yeah, it’s basically some kind of image or like thing that when you look at the camera, it appears on your head or on your face, put sunglasses on you or whatever. And that’s what you see on the screen. So there’s some very—
Geoff 11:57
Yeah, back in the Snapchat days.
Georgie 11:59
There’s some very ridiculous filters on there. Like, here’s what you would look like as a Disney princess. And it just like, exaggerates your eyes and puts like makes your cheekbones look extremely—
Geoff 12:10
Make a look—yeah, like an alien, like a teardrop.
Georgie 12:12
Yeah, your chin is like completely... I don’t know. Also, it’s probably a bit whitewashed. But anyway. And then there’s makeup filters that make your face look completely different. I understand that generally makeup can make you look different anyway. But this actually—yeah I did a story on it, because it was like, it literally changed the shape of my like nose and my jaw. And I’m like, I don’t even think if I had real makeup and someone put a lot of makeup on me that I couldn’t even look like this. I think the filter literally changes everything. So it does this thing, right? Where it makes you out the edges of your eyes turn up. And apparently that—and I bet, I bet that pertains to some ridiculous beauty standard. And then there’s others that say, this filter will show you if your teeth are yellow. And the worst thing is, I can tell that it’s because in this explore discovery feed, some of the videos are like animated for you. So you have a bit of a preview before you actually open it and make it bigger. And some of them I can tell it’s going to be some piece of shit because it’s some person with their hand moving in front of their face. And there’s some text, there’s some text printed on the video saying, this filter will show you blah blah, and what the person is trying to do, and the person is usually an influencer with like 100,000 plus followers, and they usually try to show you like what they look like without the filter, and then they move their hand and then their face looks different and it’s like wow, and I’m like I give no fucks okay, I don’t care my teeth are yellow, fuck you. I don’t care if that’s what you look like as Disney Princess, fuck you. I don’t care if that’s what you look like at all.
Geoff 13:57
Yeah, who are you? Why are you here? I don’t give a shit if you look different with or without the filter. It’s just a travesty.
Georgie 14:08
Absolute travesty.
Geoff 14:11
So so yeah, I mean Instagram has always been like, was slowly becoming a cesspool, it is now a cesspool. But I mean, oh, wait a second. I saw I saw something in my in my discover. And I opened it up and it it was like, picture, and then you swipe right. And it was like a picture of a product, though like just by itself on like a couch or something like that. And then like in the comments like “Dude, stop posting this stupid whatever that product is. We don’t care”. I’m like, I don’t understand why you’re following this best to begin with. I looked at the entire feed and like this is literally all they’re trying to do is trying to sell you these products that they’re like part of a pyramid scheme or something like that. And I was like, why does anyone follow this person? And if you don’t care, why are you still following them? So it’s strange, strange. It’s become a strange place, you know?
Georgie 15:14
Yeah. I think there’s a lot of like trolls on there as well.
Geoff 15:17
Yeah. So many bad accounts. My Twitter, I keep getting like these people say, “oh, you should go to this account to get ethereum” whatever. Like.
Georgie 15:33
Yeah.
Geoff 15:33
Crypto shit.
Georgie 15:35
Yeah.
Geoff 15:37
Why? Why is what is social media anymore?
Georgie 15:41
It’s not very social.
Geoff 15:44
Yeah. Oh, did you see Elon, he bought like 10% of Twitter. And now he’s on the board.
Georgie 15:50
Am I supposed to like care about this?
Geoff 15:53
Well, it’s, it’s interesting, because he posted some polls prior to that saying, “is free speech important to you? And do you think Twitter is doing enough to protect free speech?” And then he becomes part of the board? And everyone’s like, uhh, Elon, what, are you gonna push some kind of weird agenda? Or everyone thinks that Elon is going to? Yeah, Elon is gonna build an edit button.
Georgie 16:25
Oh is that what the whole thing was, I thought I saw something about an edit button.
Geoff 16:30
Yeah, yeah, everyone starts talking about the edit button again, because they think Elon, Elon will bring an edit button. And people are like giving their suggestions on how the feature should work. You know, it should let you edit within five minutes of posting your tweet and then if not, then then you get rid of the edit button. I’ve thought about that as well. In terms of—
Georgie 16:50
What’s your opinion?
Geoff 16:51
...if I built...
Georgie 16:52
What’s your opinion on this?
Geoff 16:53
Yeah.
Georgie 16:53
Tweets having an edit button.
Geoff 16:58
What’s my opinion.... what’s my opinion?
Georgie 17:00
if you have one? If you don’t have an opinion, that’s fine as well, you know,
Geoff 17:05
I think, I think it’s a it’s a good idea for that temporary thing where you can kind of do grammatical change but yeah, anything like editing afterwards. It’s too much of a shit, shit house because like, people point out if you get it retweeted tons of times. And then you change it to be like, you like, oh, “dogs are the best” and then it gets viral. And then you say, “kill all Jews”, and you’re just like, holy shit. Like
Georgie 17:39
Yeah, yeah. I think obviously, this shouldn’t be some limitations to it. Like the the time limit makes sense, of course. But then someone could have copied, copy pasted some something on the clipboard and then that could be a very quick two second paste or whatever, maybe the edits should be...
Geoff 17:59
Oh, good point huh. Just copy paste...
Georgie 18:03
“Geoff is a huge D bag”. When originally I said—
Geoff 18:06
“He’s a Nazi from that comment that he made in the podcast”. Yeah.
Georgie 18:12
Like, yeah obviously time limit could work? Maybe it should be moderated.
Geoff 18:16
What you can do, is text variance. Right? You can you can see how much text has changed from the previous one and block if the if the text—
Georgie 18:27
Yeah that’s what I mean by moderating. Maybe someone should actually moderate or they should get like AI to be like, hmm, someone just changed a character. That’s okay. But yeah, the AI bit’s dangerous, right?
Geoff 18:37
Yeah, yeah, that’s interesting.
Georgie 18:39
But I think importantly, is that they should let you see the history of the edits. Yeah, maybe can only edit like once or something, whatever. But I do...
Geoff 18:50
Yeah.
Georgie 18:50
...like fundamentally this whole editing thing I understand. Because I made I made a typo this morning in a tweet too. And I was like, I didn’t want to delete it. I just I just corrected myself and laughed at myself basically, but I just feel like it it goes a little bit against fundamentally what Twitter was in the first place, which was like, saying shit into the void and just status update or whatever. And now it’s like people are like, “Oh, but I want to perfect my like, little work of art here on my account”.
Geoff 19:19
Like, yeah, I can’t it’s like if you’re having a conversation.
Georgie 19:22
Yeah.
Geoff 19:22
Can’t really edit what you just said. Like, I literally—
Georgie 19:26
And it kind of removes the fact that people make like, people make typos. It’s just a fact of life. You see, it’s like, you’re just gonna assume its typo.
Geoff 19:36
That’s how that’s how we got some cool stuff, do you know I think—
Georgie 19:41
Some memes.
Geoff 19:42
So I think pog—poggers is technically also a typo. What are the typo memes?
Georgie 19:50
Have you heard the “pregant” one? Some, there is something that said “you’re gonna get her pregant” and and it was “pregnant” obviously. and there’s a big video on YouTube that went viral because of the person having spelled it wrong
Geoff 20:08
Um, what was the... oh, there’s a type, typo ideas, that typo, the best typo memes, here we go, let’s see. Because I remember there was one really specific one where it was really good. Oh man, someone said it in a Twitch chat or something like that. “Memes about typos”.
Georgie 20:33
There’s also autocorrect right, and there’s also funny autocorrect memes.
Geoff 20:38
Oh yeah. Hundred funny typos ideas. Oh god. Okay.
Georgie 20:43
Oh my God. Are you getting the Typo stationery store?
Geoff 20:48
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Georgie 20:50
Anyway.
Geoff 20:52
Anyways, yeah, some of the best stuff comes from typos. People obviously in chat rooms can’t edit like in Twitch chat. Anyway.
Georgie 21:00
You can in Slack. So.
Geoff 21:02
You can in Slack, you can go and edit, but the, what was it... there was a really funny one. I don’t think it was a typo. But someone said “oh man, I love the movie. I rate it five out of seven”. And everyone was just like, wait, five out of seven? And they’re like, wait, is that like, what’s five, what’s five divided by seven? It’s like 0.71 Like why didn’t you just say seven out of ten? And everyone’s like is that actually five out of—anyway, so there was a huge meme about it how everyone kind of shat on this person for doing five out of seven, and the guy kept like, defending himself he said, “oh man, what, why are you so hung up on five out of seven? I really liked the movie like, that’s my rating okay”. Oh, what is it? I want to do this one. “Five out of seven meme”, I really want to describe this one because it’s like, it’s like one of the first ones that I thought like this huge chain of conversation—
Georgie 22:05
Yeah that’s the thing right, when there’s like this chain of conversation you can’t like, you can’t you cannot stop the internet from reacting to thos once it’s happened.
Geoff 22:17
Right okay, I think I got it, yeah.
Georgie 22:24
Wait send it to me.
Geoff 22:26
No... I hate, I hate these pictures sites.
Georgie 22:31
Imgur?
Geoff 22:32
Sometimes like, Know Your Meme.
Georgie 22:36
Oh yeah.
Geoff 22:37
It just shows an image and then it disappears and I’m pretty sure it’s because I have like some kind of AdBlock but all the ads around it are still loading so I don’t know what what’s going on. Oh my god. Okay, fuck this. I’m going to find it. I am determined all right. Someone posted a picture on on freaking Google Images. All right. Fight Club. Five out of seven movie. And this guy’s like five out of seven—
Georgie 23:06
Wait share your screen.
Geoff 23:06
Ah OK share my screen. Okay, yeah, share screen. They’re like, “five out of seven. I must say this is a grading scale like I’ve like no other I’ve seen before”. And the guy’s like, “shut the fuck up Rob. I liked the movie. I thought it was dark mysterious, almost as good as Dark Knight”. And the other guy’s like, “Yes. I don’t think will soon forget the Dark Knight the masterful superhero film by Nistopher Colon”. And the guy’s like, the guy’s like, “what the hell is that supposed to mean? Whatever. I don’t care at this point. I liked Fight Club, I would add and I would give it a perfect score”. Five out of seven is their perfect score. And then, “Sullivan’s theorem in filming reviewing situations, the integer five is roughly equivalent to the integer seven. Note this is not applicable in any other scenario”. Why do you have to—
Georgie 24:02
So they’re totally shitting on this guy? I think that’s—
Geoff 24:05
Yeah, for no reason. But yeah, for those who didn’t know what five out of seven means a perfect score and where it comes from. So I do this. Like it’s not it’s not free, like a crazy good meme. But it’s just something like kind of funny if you just rank something five out of seven, people are just like, what, five out of seven?
Georgie 24:28
I mean, I think the other thing is most typos people notice it, and, like I’m a grammar nerd, right. And so I will be like, haha, made a typo but I’m not gonna like shit on the person—if there’s nothing to laugh about, people will just overlook it. I reckon. Right. Whereas this case—
Geoff 24:44
Exactly.
Georgie 24:44
It was like it turned into a meme, which was funny and it’s like, cool, right.
Geoff 24:49
This poor guy trying to rank, trying to rate a movie, and he’s being shat on. “How tall are you? How would you feel if I asked you how much you weigh? Okay, so five, seven”. Got it. I’m sure there’s like other places where people are just like, use the five out of seven. But everyone’s talking about five inch seven. Five feet se—five foot seven, five foot seven.
Georgie 25:18
See if you can find the, what’s the, pregant, P, someone spelled pregnant wrong. P, R, E, G, A, N, T.
Geoff 25:28
Pregant.
Georgie 25:30
I don’t even know if it was...
Geoff 25:36
I texted my 36 week pregnant.
Georgie 25:38
Nah, that’s not it. I think it might have been. I don’t know, actually. I just remember that being a huge funny thing.
Geoff 25:47
Anyway, short, short, short story long. Like when you have, yeah, it when you have the uneditable internet, it makes the place less serious, you know. The other method also was like keeping the history. But also when someone has shared a specific tweet. And it has been edited. The shared one is only of the version they shared.
Georgie 26:20
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 26:21
So yeah, so of the news article, for whatever reason they’re getting their news from Twitter, is like, I’m gonna just embed this tweet, it’s not going to turn into “I love Nazis”. It’s going to reference the tweet before that, before it got edited. Man I’m really going hard on this Nazi thing, I should really switch my analogy.
Georgie 26:45
That’s not a good example. Another thing is that you can still without the editing, you can still delete stuff. You can still delete Instagram pictures, you can still delete tweets. And I have seen a lot of news articles try to reference a tweet, or, or an Instagram post and it’s been deleted. And it just says it’s been deleted. And so I’ve noticed some news outlets taking a screenshot of the tweet, or the Instagram post. And—
Geoff 27:17
Yeah.
Georgie 27:18
That’s the thing, right, like sometimes shit is like, immortalised in a screenshot. Even if you wanted to edit and you said something bad and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Geoff 27:30
Let’s be real—journalism is gone to fucking shit. Like—
Georgie 27:34
Yeah.
Geoff 27:35
I don’t, I don’t know the last time I’ve read... I don’t think I grew up in a time where journalism was actually good. Because for the first half of my life, I didn’t give a shit. So I didn’t read the news. I didn’t read articles. So, but but now, it’s, it’s like, here’s a clickbait title. He is five lines of text that explained nothing.
Georgie 28:04
You mean the headline is five, five lines.
Geoff 28:09
The, the headline?
Georgie 28:11
I’ve seen the Daily Mail do headlines that are five lines, the headline is like longer than the article and they’ve told you every—told you everything you need to know, you probably didn’t need to read any more but they’re trying to just be a bunch of clickbait.
Geoff 28:25
Yeah, there’s a whole, there’s a whole Reddit called, “saved you a click” or something like that. “Saved you a click”. And it’s all about people. Like here, “R saved you a click”. Oh my god. Like this stuff’s great. Okay, let me just go frontpage. Like, let me go, R, Reddit, saved you a click. And yeah, it’s a whole Reddit about people who have like, they get articles, they read the article, and then they literally just like tell you the gist of the article in, in the Reddit, in the, in the title. So does does “does tequila burn fat? Here is the answer. 2022 updated” and like in the same line, it’s like “yes, it lowers your blood sugar, suppresses appetite, helps with digestion helps with cholesterol”, so you don’t even have to read the article.
Georgie 29:26
Find a better one. I really want to know some more.
Geoff 29:31
Let’s have a look, Will Smith movie cancelled by Paramount?
Georgie 29:34
Oh no, the Disney one, let’s read the Disney one.
Geoff 29:39
“Disney World guest has never seen anything like it after awful Magic Kingdom experience”. “They showed up 20 minutes before the fireworks and it was crowded”. You gotta be kidding me, that can’t be the entire article.
Georgie 29:51
Nah, that’s probably the whole article.
Geoff 29:52
That’s funny. Yeah, “Will Warner Bros Discovery hike HBO Max prices”. Sentence from the article, “insiders say there aren’t any immediate plans to alter HBO Max the sizing scheme”. So, oh my god, like can you imagine.
Georgie 30:07
Hot dog. “Is a hot dog a sandwich? Science finally has the answer. Yes”.
Geoff 30:12
Yes.
Georgie 30:13
Oh, actually speaking of sandwiches, right. And I knew this because I read it somewhere. Like, in actual fact thing. So the guy who invented the sandwich was like the Earl of Sandwich, and he was playing like cards or something. And I can’t remember what year this was probably back in like kind of old times. And he wanted to eat a piece of meat, but he didn’t want to get his hands dirty. So he asked somebody to put it between two slices of bread. And apparently that is how the sandwich was made. But anyway, I feel like definition wise, I feel like a sandwich is, is like some kind of thing, a piece of food, condiment whenever, between two breads or something. And bread is like, anything can be bread, like a lot of things can be bread. So I’m gonna say yeah, hotdog is—
Geoff 30:57
Yeah.
Georgie 30:57
That’s my opinion. Anyway. It’s like how there’s noodles in every country, and there’s dumplings in every country. So spaghetti is noodles.
Geoff 31:04
Yeah.
Georgie 31:05
Noodles is spaghetti. And then like you’ve got all of these different kinds of dumplings just basically like, some kind of wrapper of, dumpling is, what it—
Geoff 31:13
Pastry.
Georgie 31:13
Yeah, exactly. Right. Anyway.
Geoff 31:17
Sandwich, I believe the definition in my head, is anything anything where there is two opposing forces? And one, one thing in the middle, right? And something in the middle. Something is sandwiched when there are two opposing forces. And that thing is in the middle.
Georgie 31:37
So what do you call, like is a sushi a sandwich? Sushi roll.
Geoff 31:46
Is a sushi roll a sandwich? No, it’s a, it’s a roll because you don’t have two opposing forces on the either, on the things inside it, you have one.
Georgie 31:56
So it’s a roll?
Geoff 31:56
It’s a wrap. Technically it’s a wrap. Yeah,
Georgie 31:59
Is a banh mi a sandwich then?
Geoff 32:02
Well, apparently it is. Like hot dogs. So there—
Georgie 32:07
So is a burrito a sandwich?
Geoff 32:08
Because even though it’s connected, it’s still like clamping, I’d call it like maybe a a like a duck.
Georgie 32:16
Is, is a is a burrito a sandwich?
Geoff 32:20
It’s a wrap. Right? Wrap. One, one continuous piece.
Georgie 32:23
So sushi is a wrap. Burrito is a wrap.
Geoff 32:27
Burrito’s a wrap. Banh mi’s a sandwich. Hotdog’s a sandwich. Burgers are sandwiches.
Georgie 32:34
Yes.
Geoff 32:37
There is no such thing as a chicken burger. They’re all chicken sandwiches. Because a burger is primarily beef.
Georgie 32:43
What about a naked, naked burger that is like a lettuce.
Geoff 32:47
A naked burger is a, is not a burger, because a burger is a sandwich and you need two opposing—
Georgie 32:54
But what if it’s like a lettuce thing. And it’s like it’s folded, like a lettuce leaf and folded. That is kind of two opposing forces. Or would you call that a wrap? Because you’re wrapping the contents of the burger and—
Geoff 33:08
I don’t think you’d call it a burger anymore. Because a burger is very specific—
Georgie 33:12
Is it a lettuce sandwich?
Geoff 33:14
It’s a lettuce sandwich. Yeah, you’d call it a lettuce sandwich. You wouldn’t call it a lettuce burger. Unless you had two pieces of lettuce. And nah, just jokes. Burgers are actually bread—
Georgie 33:24
What about a sang choy bow?
Geoff 33:27
A sang choy bow is a lettuce wrap.
Georgie 33:29
So it’s a wrap.
Geoff 33:32
Yeah, that’s like if you do two pieces of lettuce opposing forces then you have a lettuce sandwich.
Georgie 33:39
Is a macaron a sandwich?
Geoff 33:43
Yeah. I’d say macaron is a sandwich.
Georgie 33:46
Is a scone a sandwich? I assume a scone is a sandwich.
Geoff 33:49
Oh, if you cut the scone in half—
Georgie 33:51
Oh yeah, of course.
Geoff 33:54
Because there’s a whole scone, it’s just a scone. Man, I could go for a scone. I want to have real high tea—
Georgie 34:01
Yeah, do it.
Geoff 34:02
...at some stage.
Georgie 34:03
Yeah.
Geoff 34:03
You know, I want a scone, on a cream jam. And like, I want tuna cucumber sandwiches. And I don’t know what else they serve at high tea.
Georgie 34:13
Yeah, no, that’s pretty accurate, right? Obviously, you get tea and it’s usually like because it’s an English traditional—
Geoff 34:18
You get tea? No way.
Georgie 34:20
Because it’s an English tradition. It’s probably like English breakfast, earl gray. Some like pretty traditional teas.
Geoff 34:28
Do you know what time people have high tea?
Georgie 34:30
Um...
Geoff 34:31
Is it high noon?
Georgie 34:33
You can have it... I mean, I’ve had a high tea at like 4pm. I’ve also had it at like 11—
Geoff 34:42
6pm?
Georgie 34:42
I feel like—
Geoff 34:44
6pm? That’s dinner.
Georgie 34:45
Oh really? Oh, wait. Actually, I had I stayed in a hotel in Sydney like a couple of Christmases ago and and they had a high tea at about that time. I think it was like kind of like before dinner so.
Geoff 35:00
Incredible. Wait wait, woah, woah. 6pm, last meal of the day served to children but a great number define it as early evening meal of working people.
Georgie 35:11
Yeah, I think places that do it do it for lunch as well. So like it depends if you, if you’re going to some friends or something and people want to go for lunch.
Geoff 35:19
This place we went to, it’s called Nanyang High Tea club, tea club, Nanyang Tea Club. And they, they categorise high tea in the desert section. I could not find it on the app, like you’re going through the website because they have website ordering. And I was like going through all them except for dessert. Because why is high tea in dessert?
Georgie 35:42
Okay, so I think it’s dessert because all of the things that you get, the food that you get in high tea, they’re all like little snacks and they have a combination of sweet and savoury, so you’re supposed to eat the, so you get a little tower of things, right. The bottom is usually sandwiches and then you’ve got I think you’ve got scones next and then at the top is like these little—
Geoff 36:02
Yeah, they’re sweet things.
Georgie 36:04
Yeah. You’re supposed to eat it from the bottom to the top. That’s why it’s called high tea. Because—
Geoff 36:10
No way, oh we ate, we ate it so wrong. We went bottom, top, middle, bottom, top...
Georgie 36:16
I didn’t know this the first time I had it, but, but yeah, you’re supposed to have bottom to top.
Geoff 36:25
But I think like, I think that gets sweeter as you go up maybe.
Georgie 36:29
Yeah, so like the bottom is savoury because you just got the little sandwiches.
Geoff 36:33
So I was deducing this stuff way after. We finished the high tea. Wait a second. I think you were meant to eat it bottom up.
Georgie 36:42
Right? Yeah, I never figured that out until I actually went and read about it.
Geoff 36:45
Yeah, it just gets sweeter as you go up. We had macarons at the top. And I was like, Jesus these are sweet.
Georgie 36:52
Yeah, they are.
Geoff 36:53
Then I went back to the bottom.
Georgie 36:56
I don’t think anyone’s gonna judge you. But if you probably went, if you went to like a proper English high tea place maybe they... I mean, they’re still not gonna judge you but they probably expect you to eat it the correct way.
Geoff 37:08
Yeah, I mean, it’s kind of like when you go eat sushi or something like that, like really expensive sushi and people, people like deconstruct the nigiris, like they take the salmon off the top and they take the rice and then they dunk the rice in soy sauce, and then like, they eat the rice and the salmon separate, you’re like dude, oh my god, can you like eat it properly?
Georgie 37:27
I remember about nigiri which is the sushi—for people who don’t know the names of the different kinds of sushi, the nigiri is the one that’s like a little rice rectangle and the piece of fish or the topping is like on top of it. The thing that I remember is that, one, you’re supposed to eat it in one go. And that’s why if you go to Japan and—actually this this is, this is true of other types of sushi, not just the nigiri, but if you go to Japan all of the sushi is is pretty small, it’s bite sized. Again, like I’m a small person, and I have a small mouth, and all these fancy like westernided sushi they have here is like a, falls apart, but you won’t find that in Japan because you’re meant to eat sushi and like, you’re not meant to bite it and then put it back down and put the whole thing in your mouth. Sorry that—don’t take that out of context.
Geoff 37:29
(laughs) clipped.
Georgie 37:32
I’ll do it. And the other thing is, I think you’re not supposed to actually put that much soy sauce on, on sushi in Japan because you’re supposed to be able to taste the topping for what it is.
Geoff 38:31
Yeah, the, I guess the purest way of eating it is like because there’s a layer of wasabi normally between the nigiri and—the rice, and fish on top. And you’re meant to dab some soy sauce on the top. Or you can you can like dip the soy sauce a little bit but you’re not meant to like overpower it with the with soy sauce. And yeah, I was watching a YouTube video about it essentially like, about this one place that literally does the thing. It’s kind of like, it’s like an art form there and they put a lot of work in creating like this beautiful balance of rice to to like fish ratio and the wasabi ratio that like, like, tearing it apart, and like, like biting it halfway, and like dunking it in soy sauce just like kind of ruins the art. Yeah, I always doubt that I’d get full from high tea.
Georgie 39:32
OK when you do, let me know. I’m curious because I feel like that usually there’s, it just, is a lot of food.
Geoff 39:41
Yeah.
Georgie 39:42
And you’re not super, I’m not super into really sweet things. So usually I’m like, oh, I’m done and I won’t finish like the dessert.
Geoff 39:51
What’s really strange about high tea though, is that like in this case, they served us five of each item or whatever. Okay, and they recommend that you go with two to four people. Like, why are you serving five things? Sorry for going back to the previous episode topic, but there’s so much more to talk about high tea.
Georgie 40:12
But like, I think they do this at—don’t they do this at yum cha as well, is like, or at some places—
Geoff 40:18
Yeah, that’s true about yum cha! There are like, four dumplings. But you have like six people there, and you’re just like um, you can’t divide eight by six.
Georgie 40:27
Yeah. So if you’re always like, forced to have a little bit of a discussion as to who gets like two who gets like, all the stuff? Yeah, it’s funny. I think it’s a ploy.
Geoff 40:41
Yeah, when my parents—so my parents came over the other week—oh we’re about finished with the episode, just quickly, we took them to yum cha and I’m like, it was pretty good. I think we had two, four, we had six, we had six people that yum cha this time, and I think that’s like the biggest group of people I’ve had yum cha in a while. So yeah, we were, you know, generally didn’t want to go to yum cha because of the big coco. But yeah, yum cha’s still good. Poor place though. The place was like, still had seats after 11:30 You know, yum cha places don’t don’t necessarily stay empty past 10:30.
Georgie 41:28
Wait you, in the morning?
Geoff 41:31
Yeah, in the morning,
Georgie 41:32
Wait so that’s a bad sign you’re saying. That’s not a good place?
Geoff 41:35
I don’t know if it’s a bad bad sign. But it’s kind of like, yeah, it’s a bit weird after 11:30? Maybe 12:30? One o’clock? Like it’s, you should have... you should be packed. It’s great that it wasn’t, but should it be packed. The Eight, the other yum cha place has a line out the door, and way past 3pm.
Georgie 41:54
I think I’ve been there ages ago.
Geoff 41:55
It’s not that great.
Georgie 41:56
Ages ago. Probably 15 years ago.
Geoff 42:01
Speaking of, speaking of things that are ages ago and we shouldn’t, should, shouldn’t keep going. This podcast episode.
Georgie 42:09
Ending should have been like ages ago.
Geoff 42:11
The end of this should be ages ago. So yeah, that was that was high tea part two.
Georgie 42:18
We’re just going to talk about high tea all the time, I feel like it’s the third time we’ve actually brought it up.
Geoff 42:24
Serious? Oh, that’s right, because I did the durian one. And then I did the like Asian one. Anyways. So don’t forget to follow us on our @toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter. Look out for the screenshots of our tweets in our Instagram.
Georgie 42:40
Exactly, exactly. And you can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts. There’s a lot of them now. And and the big high tea.
Geoff 42:54
The big high tea. Oh I keep making the joke about weed. It’s just tea if you’re not high.
Georgie 43:01
Yes.
Geoff 43:05
And yeah, new episodes every Monday.
Georgie 43:06
See you next week.
Geoff 43:07
Bye.
Georgie 43:10
Bye.
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