Geoff talks a bit about his parents’ annual visit and some rules his dad used to have about travelling and social media, Georgie is going to lose her silver frequent flyer status, and we touch on some advice for freelancing as a web dev.
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Geoff talks a bit about his parents’ annual visit and some rules his dad used to have about travelling and social media, Georgie is going to lose her silver frequent flyer status, and we touch on some advice for freelancing as a web dev.
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Geoff 0:08
And welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast... and the crowd goes wild because we’re not famous. And being not famous with me, Georgie.
Georgie 0:23
Yeah, I prefer it that way.
Geoff 0:26
Prefer what way?
Georgie 0:29
To not be famous.
Geoff 0:30
Yeah, we ne—stay not famous. And I’m Geoff of course, because everybody knows who I am. Let’s, let’s be real.
Georgie 0:40
Haha.
Geoff 0:42
It’s, uh, it’s pretty. It’s pretty good. It’s coming down to some pretty gnarly weather. But it’s kind of clearing up, which is good because my parents are going to be in town in a few days. I think my—
Georgie 1:01
Finally.
Geoff 1:02
Yeah, I think my dad’s gone like cabin fever crazy, because he’s been locked up in Perth for like two years. And he usually you know, takes a trip every like, three or four months somewhere. So they finally decided to bite the bullet given that the Perth borders are finally open. And he’s not afraid of being locked out of Perth. Clearly. How funny.
Georgie 1:30
Maybe then they could just crash with you probably, is their hope?
Geoff 1:33
Hahaq. No. So they’re, well, their whole trip thing usually revolves around like a weekend Melbourne first.
Georgie 1:42
Is it happening?
Geoff 1:42
And come in—yeah, it’s gonna happen. Yeah. Before they come here. They’re gonna be a week in Melbourne. And then they come see me for a couple days. And then they go. So.
Georgie 1:52
Yeah OK.
Geoff 1:54
But yeah, it has been a while. They usually come during April, but this time, they’re coming during March. And yeah, I get to... now that I have a car, I can go pick my parents up the airport, like, like any good child does. I wouldn’t say son, because—
Georgie 2:15
Yes, any child.
Geoff 2:17
My, my siblings have probably been the ones that like did the most work, you know, cuz I didn’t have a car for a while. So my parents just arrived and they get picked up by my uncle. And I just like, go meet them. But every time they go home back to Perth, like it’s like a toss up between my sister or my brother that goes and picks them up from the airport over there. But this time, they’re actually going to stay for quite a few nights actually. One, two, three, four, five nights, crazy. They have a lot of points to spend. Apparently.
Georgie 2:53
Haha yeah.
Geoff 2:54
Some, I think they might be expiring or something like that. Because you know two years without spending them is a bit long for points.
Georgie 3:02
Yeah. I’m gonna lose my frequent flyer status.
Geoff 3:07
Shit really? Oh, your status? Oh.
Georgie 3:10
Yeah, I’m on like, Velocity silver. I know—
Geoff 3:14
Oh shit.
Georgie 3:17
...everyone, cuz it’s very privileged. But um, I think it’s getting reviewed in like May and I don’t think I’m going anywhere. I think I need to do a long haul flight or something before May, before I can retain the the silver status.
Geoff 3:30
I see.
Georgie 3:32
Yeah, I was gonna say but yeah, Nick has gold, I think. Because we pooled family points.
Geoff 3:39
Uh oh.
Georgie 3:39
Like we did—yeah. So he then he but then the thing is, if he has gold, doesn’t really matter what status I have. Because all of his benefits, you can invite your friend or whatever. Like lounge access.
Geoff 3:52
Oh, right. Right. So you don’t need your silver.
Georgie 3:55
Yeah I don’t need it. But it’s just like, you know?
Geoff 4:00
You’ve worked so hard for years on your silver status. What do you get for it? Nothing.
Georgie 4:08
I mean, at the same time. It’s like, yeah, we have been in a pandemic and they did extend the review date. So I’ve heard my chance as well. But fuck it, whatever.
Geoff 4:20
I’ve seen um, YouTubers, they, they’re like going to the States, Disney World, and all that kind of stuff, like, they flew out flew out of Australia to go to Disney World. And I was like, huh, do I want to leave the country? Like, it’s technically possible?
Georgie 4:40
Yeah, how do you feel about it? Like right now?
Geoff 4:44
I think I’m—might be okay. But the thing is, I want to go to Japan and Europe. I don’t want to go to the States. So both of those places are a little bit tenuous at the moment. To say the least.
Georgie 4:56
See I want to go to both those places as well, but yeah, I’ve just been, I don’t know, not thinking about it or pushing it back, like because we were gonna go to Greece a couple years ago. But I guess... I don’t know.
Geoff 5:09
My dad’s other option, he was actually thinking of going to Malaysia first. Like, at like, he was gonna go somewhere. He was like, I’m gonna go, I want to go to Malaysia. But then Malaysia’s cases jumped to like 25,000 a day. A dad was like, yeah, maybe not. Maybe I’ll go... I’ll go to Sydney, I’ll go to Melbourne, take a chill. And yeah, travel around here instead. But of course, I’m working. I don’t have any leave because I just started my job. So I have to—
Georgie 5:43
Ahaha.
Geoff 5:45
Yeah, shut up you like 10 years people with your 300 hours of leave, and you can fuck off for like, two and a half months?
Georgie 5:56
Yeah, unless they make you take the leave, I guess.
Geoff 5:59
Oh, yeah. Do you have forced leave?
Georgie 6:02
Now we just have, tech—if you wanted to be super casual about it, you can say we have unlimited leave, but it’s called “open time away”.
Geoff 6:12
Interesting.
Georgie 6:13
So you know, it is for, it can be up for debate. You can’t just be like, “Hey, I’m gonna not work for like three months”. That’s not really allowed.
Geoff 6:25
Yeah, you just say you have some, I want to like, mental health break three months. Seeya.
Georgie 6:32
Yeah, but it might be argued, but you know, otherwise, you know, if I wanted to take like a one month holiday—which I’ve done, and that’s okay—if I wanted to do one month holiday, and then later in the year, I wanted to do like a two week holiday, that’s probably fine. For people don’t really get how our annual leave works, you get basically like four weeks. Most places, you have four weeks of annual leave per year.
Geoff 6:58
Yeah. As a kind of a standard set by government. You accumulate this over time, I believe it’s 1.6 hours, or 2.5 hours a month or whatever.
Georgie 7:12
Oh you’ve done the math?
Geoff 7:13
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. The, yeah, so accumulation. But I’ve always worked at places that you go negative, they didn’t really give too much of a shit about accumulating the right amount of leave to ex—to like execute it. Yeah, yeah. So that’s kind of like open leave.
Georgie 7:34
Yeah, I think that’s technically what happens with ours is that like, you can go negative, they won’t ask you to pay it back when you leave the company, if it’s, if it’s negative.
Geoff 7:43
My current company, however, does not allow going negative, without like some good reasons. So I typically go back to Perth at the end of every year. And I think I’ll have just enough leave to go. But I bet if I you know, took some time. Actually, I’m going back to Perth, mid July, at some stage. Is it mid July? Anyways, don’t want to—my dad has always been quite funny about advertising to the internet like when you go on leave. And when you’re like leaving your apartment and house, because he’s like, they’re gonna come and rob you. If they know that you’re that you’re out. So yeah, for the longest time, we never really advertised on Facebook or anything that we’re going to leave. But after the fact, then you tell people when you were away. But these days people don’t give a shit right? They’re like Instagram liveing stories, Tik Toking...
Georgie 8:48
Yeah, I never thought about that. But there is a case where I, I can see why you would do that. So this is a bit rare. But one of my friends has an estranged brother, who has been a bit violent. And before she and her parents moved, the brother would figure out from like social media when they were not home and then one time he actually broke into—
Geoff 9:16
Oh, shit.
Georgie 9:17
Yeah. So like in the case like that, then yeah, I totally get if you’re under some kind of threat, then I understand why you would not share when exactly you’d be leaving your apartment or leaving your home.
Geoff 9:28
Yeah. But I mean, it’s still kind of strange. Like when someone has a mentality about that in terms of like your house, your home and stuff like that. But then when it comes to like, like internet security, it’s kind of on the low, you know. At least the opinions are on the low. The—but yeah, so I’m gonna go, go head over to Perth. And then hopefully, I bet at the end of the day, you know, if I say, I’m going to go to Perth for two weeks, and I’m going to go in little negative, they’ll probably let me do it. I don’t, I don’t think there’s any kind of hard rules. And I’m not just saying, I’m going to fuck off Japan for three months, and you can’t do shit about it.
Georgie 10:27
Yeah, I reckon if it’s a little bit, it’s probably okay. I think I think one time before they kind of fixed it up in the system, you are allowed to go. Like when you booked in? You were allowed to go like three days negative.
Geoff 10:40
Okay, yeah.
Georgie 10:41
So the system might let you do like, a little, like, a few hours over and it’s not gonna have any issues. It’s gonna warn you probably.
Geoff 10:48
Yeah. I think most people, even my friend friends who work in tech, in like Perth or something like that. When you get into like those a little bit more old school companies. You do paid time—not paid time, pay without, leave without pay. Do leave without pay, right?
Georgie 11:04
Yeah, some people choose to do that just to save the actual annual leave for like important stuff. Like I think Nick does, that, or he’s considered doing that. Sometimes.
Geoff 11:15
Yeah, there’s also salary sacrificing, where you can just pay money out of the tax threshold or whatever. To take leave, which is interesting. I’ve never really bought leave. It—because you could go negative, what’s the point?
Georgie 11:33
It’s a human right. Pay for a basic human right?
Geoff 11:36
Yeah, I know, right. Yeah. So yeah. Oh, my god. I don’t know if I’ll ever have enough leave, because I always go back to Perth for at least two weeks of the year. And I’m going to maybe go for three weeks this this year. So. Oh, well. What do you need? So I’m now acutely aware of all that. All the public holidays to do stuff.
Georgie 12:01
You want to make good use of them.
Geoff 12:04
Yeah. Except Easter. Are you doing anything Easter?
Georgie 12:09
Nothing out of the usual, you know, like.
Geoff 12:14
Oh, now you don’t want to tell anyone you’re doing something so—
Georgie 12:16
Oh, no, no, hahaha. Alright, so we don’t like celebrate Easter, I guess you can say. I think, I think we usually go to Nick’s family’s place for like a lunch just like catch up and stuff. But it’s not so much a celebration, and I don’t really go away then. So I don’t love to go away, or go on holidays around certain public holidays. Because you have to factor in like, is it gonna be really busy with just people and stuff?
Geoff 12:44
Yeah.
Georgie 12:45
And the other thing is school holidays, right? So because I’m not around children and like, actually like yeah, I’m not around children, and I don’t go to school. I don’t know when the school holidays are.
Geoff 12:56
That’s exactly why I’m going back.
Georgie 12:59
Oh because it is school holidays?
Geoff 13:01
Yeah, going back in July, because like during school holidays, so that my nieces and people are like, not at school.
Georgie 13:11
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 13:12
But you’re right. We we thought about going away on Easter as well. And then, and then my friend pointed out that it’s gonna be shit ton busy. And it would be like traffic.
Georgie 13:27
We have like that one friend who somehow like knows the school holidays, or they have kids of their own and they’re like, isn’t that school holiday? Like, why do I care about—oh, yeah.
Geoff 13:39
That’s why it’s good to tell people like your plans. So that they can remind you of this stupid shit like this. Like, it’s gonna be lots of people, lots of traffic. I’m like, ugh, you’re right, I’m just gonna spend like most of my time driving, and then and then traffic on top of the driving is going to make it unbearable. And like double the length of the trip. Plus, when you get there, then there’s just so many people, and people these days don’t really want to be around—I mean, I I don’t want to be around other people. Just general. My dad reminds me to do keep 1.5 metres apart from people and I was like, I want to, why can’t they stay two metres away from me?
Georgie 14:24
But is he gonna keep 1.5 meters from you?
Geoff 14:28
It’s a good question. Because they’re coming in—
Georgie 14:32
Gotta set your boundaries, man.
Geoff 14:34
Yeah, Perth, Perth is only now starting to feel the effects of COVID. And they started to get all those we had restrictions that we’ve had for like two years, and they’re only just starting it now. So I think people in Perth are probably just, like—they’re only just starting to be a little bit more cautious and paranoid about it. Not that my parents weren’t cautious before. But now that restrictions are in place. Though I’m not so sure what they’re gonna feel like when they come over east where everyone’s kind of, you know, living with the, with the COVID. And they’ve, like removed all the restrictions and will they feel safe coming over here? The answer is, question mark, because they just want to get out of Perth for a bit.
Georgie 15:26
Yeah.
Geoff 15:26
So it’s gonna be interesting. I saw a tweet that said, “just because the government forgot about COVID doesn’t mean we should”.
Georgie 15:36
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 15:38
So yeah, man. But yeah, no no plans for the for the Easter thing huh. This is so funny, fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger videos.
Georgie 15:49
What’s going on with this?
Geoff 15:50
What is it? I haven’t actually watched it, but apparently he has a message for Russian people. So we’re not gonna talk about that.
Georgie 15:59
Yeah.
Geoff 16:02
What, what’s a DOM?
Georgie 16:05
What’s a DOM? Direct access? I don’t even, dude, what does it stand for again?
Geoff 16:09
Shit.
Georgie 16:13
Wait don’t—wait Geoff, just don’t, don’t tell the answer. Let me try to remember this. Yeah.
Geoff 16:17
Okay. Okay. So for people who don’t know, DOM is what the basically the building blocks of the websites that you look at. It is the essence of what you see. Without it, you basically see nothing on your page. So it is a core building block of all websites.
Georgie 16:42
Okay, don’t tell me the answer. Like I still remember. But is the, is the O “object”.
Geoff 16:47
Sorry?
Georgie 16:48
Is the O, “object”?
Geoff 16:49
Yes. Yes, it is.
Georgie 16:50
Okay. How do I know—it’s so funny because, okay, in at work, we probably mention this several times. Like it’s a thing that’s mentioned. But you say DOM, you don’t—
Geoff 17:02
Yeah you never really say the whole thing.
Georgie 17:05
But it’s like, oh, my god, is it, is a Direct Object Module? Is it—developers are listening to this, laughing. Do you remember it?
Geoff 17:16
I do know it now like after having described it to our viewers, I now know what it is. I wrote one of my top tweets. It’s sort of like, “today, I, a web professional of 15 years, had to Google, how do I put CSS in the head? That is all. Thanks for coming to my TED talk”.
Georgie 17:38
I know that one, right, like... Is it?
Geoff 17:44
I’m just going to give it to you.
Georgie 17:45
Is it Direct Object like Module or some shit?
Geoff 17:49
Nope. It’s a Document Object Model.
Georgie 17:54
Oh fuck me. This is one of those things where you find out the answer and if you like so dumb. Or you feel humbled, depending.
Geoff 18:06
Yeah. The—
Georgie 18:07
Hahaha. shit. Wait, do you remember what, do you remember what CSS means?
Geoff 18:16
Cascade Style Sheets.
Georgie 18:19
Cascading.
Geoff 18:21
Is it cascading?
Georgie 18:21
It’s cascading.
Geoff 18:24
Man. I have so many things to talk about work. But we don’t do that here. So—
Georgie 18:29
We do a little bit but not in the, in the technical sense.
Geoff 18:35
Well—
Georgie 18:35
Question, question, for people listening, if you if you are a developer, if you’re a developer, and you’re listening to this, do you care about or want us to talk about developer things.
Geoff 18:44
It’s true, it’s true.
Georgie 18:46
I don’t like listening to—Nick actually listens to a bunch of like tech related podcasts. But he’s a product manager. So I think like that sort of feeds it to, like develop-y stuff. Also, other general tech, like he’s just like a tech enthusiast, but like—
Geoff 19:03
Yeah.
Georgie 19:03
For me, I don’t really want to listen to like—
Geoff 19:07
Yeah, my brother’s, my brother’s kind of like that. I’m like, I think maybe circa five, six years ago. My brother is very much a consumer of technology, but doesn’t really dive into how things work. So even though he’s spent like, more multiple hours of his waking time, like 16 hours in front of the computer, he’s the type of person who’s like, I don’t know, like, he asks like, can you fix my computer? You’re like, no. You sit there all day. Difference between, like, using products and knowing how to fix them, obviously. But that’s the kind of misnomer that we have to deal with, right.
Georgie 19:57
Yeah, actually, there is a related comic I’m going to try and find show you, which a colleague sent on the—couple of days ago. I’m just trying to find it. It’s related to—
Geoff 20:10
Yeah.
Georgie 20:12
...when you, when, when people know that you’re a web developer, or that you can build websites? Yeah, yeah, I’m gonna find it.
Geoff 20:22
But, um, but yeah, it’s kind of a strange thing I used to respond with, I’m software, not hardware. I, just.
Georgie 20:32
Oh, yeah. So I go software engineer, right. Like, and people go, what does that mean?
Geoff 20:37
What does it mean? Well, you see the thing you use on your phone all day? Yeah, I do—I build that. Maybe not might not be specifically the thing. Like, we don’t build apps. But you know, that kind of nuance doesn’t really count for much. When it comes to talking to... Actually, someone told me, I think, I think Dorinda was saying that she hates the term “normies”.
Georgie 21:02
I don’t love it. Like, I feel like I only use it... Now...
Geoff 21:07
In a derogatory way?
Georgie 21:11
Yeah, like, even when I’m talking about myself, I’m like, I don’t know. I just, I don’t even find many excuses to use it. Alright, I, I am messaging it to you.
Geoff 21:20
Yeah, well, let’s see if we can bring it up.
Georgie 21:24
Describe this.
Geoff 21:25
Okay, that’s it. Let’s see if I could describe this. It is a three panel comic. And on the left is a big panel, takes up two thirds of the overall panel and it is a young lady, young lady with a title “family friend”. And she is saying “Hello, are you a website developer”? And there is this kid, disgruntled, walking ahead. In front of her. She’s following him. It’s me. He responds, “Yes”. The next panel then describes, “I have started a new business”, says the young lady and the walking pace increases, and then it turns into a full on sprint, “can you make a website for free”? Oh, my god, I gonna have to share this with my work as well. Yeah. That’s always it. And I think, I actually was talking to Dorinda about freelancing and how I was, I read a lot of front end, Reddit. And a lot of people, they they are, they’re asking, basically, I want a side hustle. And I am going to go and learn front end, how long do you think it’ll take me to learn front end enough? Enough front end to then start freelancing?
Georgie 22:48
It’s not that easy, folks.
Geoff 22:50
Yes, like freelancing, literally being a sole business owner think of everything that’s involved in a business, and then that that’s still freelancing.
Georgie 23:01
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 23:04
Someone then said, one of the more, posts that got more traction, this was someone that said, I want to do a little bit of freelancing and to make it my main income, like eventually make it my main income. And, and basic, the basic responses are like, dude, doing some side hustle websites is completely different from freelancing.
Georgie 23:33
Yeah.
Geoff 23:33
Full time. But did, did you do—
Georgie 23:37
I don’t think it’s ever gonna be a side hustle? Like, if you want to freelance full—yeah. Oh, yeah. So you’re gonna ask like what, did I ever do freelancing?
Geoff 23:46
Yeah.
Georgie 23:48
Oh, well, we did I want.
Geoff 23:50
Yeah. Did you ever do any freelancing?
Georgie 23:55
I wouldn’t, I never did it full time. I did a couple of, I guess you could say, projects, because I advertise myself as a developer who could—
Geoff 24:08
Yeah.
Georgie 24:08
Do some work, make some websites, whatever. And I had—
Geoff 24:12
How did you advertise?
Georgie 24:14
Fuck, good question.
Geoff 24:16
Just on your blog or something?
Georgie 24:18
Yeah.
Geoff 24:18
Neopets, LiveJournal.
Georgie 24:21
...right.
Geoff 24:22
Yeah.
Georgie 24:23
Haha LiveJournal. Which, which, like tradies have, right, like, you know, a good plumber. You’ll tell your friends. So yeah, I think a couple of friends knew that I was a web developer. And then they were like, oh, I know somebody who wants a website or whatever, they’ll pay you, whatever. So the thing about this comic, right?
Geoff 24:39
Yeah.
Georgie 24:39
Is that this person goes, “Can you make a website for free?” And that is—
Geoff 24:42
Free, yeah.
Georgie 24:42
Just out of, just out of the question, because nobody should be doing work for free.
Geoff 24:50
Yeah.
Georgie 24:50
Creating a website, like you don’t get—just because you’re someone’s friend doesn’t mean they will do work for you for free. Like it’s—
Geoff 24:58
Yeah.
Georgie 24:59
And it kind of undermines the amount of effort it takes to—better way of saying, it’s not just like and and, this is the shitty thing, right—shit like Squarespace and insert other—
Geoff 25:09
Wix.
Georgie 25:09
Website builder—yeah, shit like that makes it look extremely easy for people to... Okay. Wait, did you just say normie? We were talking about the term normie, right?
Geoff 25:10
Yeah, normies, normies.
Georgie 25:12
Here’s where it makes sense. So it makes it easy for normies or, you know, average person who doesn’t know any code, to build a website, and it makes it look easy. And therefore, it perpetuates the view that building a website is easy, is easy, and it’s not. Like it fully entirely depends on what you are trying to build here. Like if you want a simple web page, yeah, maybe yeah, go do your fucking Squarespace shit, right? Or maybe you do it for like, like 50 bucks or something. But for free? So how did I advertise myself? I think yeah, I had a couple of friends who knew that I was a developer, and I didn’t mind doing on the side, like with my, on the side and but I would still work full time. And they would just, they wouldn’t advertise me, but they just mentioned if someone they knew needed something, so that’s why I didn’t have like a business. I didn’t have like a, you know, income rolling in, because I didn’t try it at all to pursue it as like a full time thing.
Geoff 26:28
Yeah, something that was really interesting was I had a similar thing, you know, at uni, you know, I was doing a web design course, a web development course of such. And when the, when the teachers realised that I was really good at it—not not saying you know, but am saying, yeah. Compared to the average student who is actually going in there with zero knowledge, I had had, like, six years of experience building. Before I did the degree.
Georgie 27:04
Did you use the opportunity to show off your skills?
Geoff 27:08
I mean, they asked me to do assignments, so I did them. And I did them well.
Georgie 27:12
Yes, so did I. Yeah!
Geoff 27:14
It’s like the only time I ever got high distinctions, okay.
Georgie 27:18
I feel I feel this, I feel this.
Geoff 27:20
Even, even in high school. I had, I had already been building websites, semi professionally—professionally meaning someone’s paid me to do it. And I would built the websites correctly. But the teachers, they didn’t really understand how correctly I built them so they couldn’t mark it.
Georgie 27:38
Yeah, yeah I know this feeling.
Geoff 27:41
I got freakin so salty, because they would, they would mark me down on some questions. And I’m like, I got them right. You just don’t know they’re right. Um, yeah, I was an arrogant little shit back in high school.
Georgie 27:55
But it is like, you know, it’s like, imagine you use like, like, the article element, right? And then the teacher tells you it should be like a div or some shit.
Geoff 28:07
Yeah. Why is it not a class name?
Georgie 28:10
Yeah, why is it not the class name “article”?
Geoff 28:14
Yeah.
Georgie 28:15
I get the saltiness. 100%.
Geoff 28:18
But yeah, I mean, like, I did it... I don’t know if I ever did one for free. But, um, yeah, usually, I think one of our family friends needed a website for their business. And I went full on, you know, gathering requirements, you ask, what, what’s the goal of the website, you got to basically understand what your consumers are wanting, or your clients need? What information goes on top? What, you know, pages you want and, you know, do you want a cart or whatever. But then I realised, like, after, after, like a few weeks of back and forth about details, then me not quite understanding why he doesn’t want to give me these details. And my dad says, oh, he just, he just wanted a landing page to show to show the name of the business. No, you got to be kidding me. I’ve been I’ve been doing this professionally when all they wanted was a frickin Squarespace. No, sure, I can do a Squarespace for you. I could do a bit of config. But yeah, that was a bit, I was miffed about the fact that you know, you try try make people understand that, that’s a lot of work that goes into custom websites, like apple.com.au doesn’t—or .com, does, doesn’t come out of Wix or Squarespace, you know, you can’t just expect such a experience from...
Georgie 29:50
Did I tell you that one of my first things I interviewed, before I started my career. The um, it was a contract and I was like a bit too—I was too dumb to understand contracting. And I just wanted a full time role. But I passed the test and the role and they actually made me an offer, which I rejected because I wanted the full time job I got instead. But it was to build the Apple website for Indonesia.
Geoff 30:23
No way.
Georgie 30:25
Yeah.
Geoff 30:26
Ah shit.
Georgie 30:27
Missed opportunity. I mean, like, I don’t know. I didn’t, I didn’t know anything, I was fucking noob.
Geoff 30:32
Yeah.
Georgie 30:33
But for some reason, I think one of the requirements was like, oh, if you know some Bahasa, then I was like, I’m your girl!
Geoff 30:42
Oh shit!
Georgie 30:43
Yeah, anyway.
Geoff 30:46
Yeah. Well, that’s yeah, that’s about all we have, all we have time for, you know. So, everybody, hope you have a good week ahead of you. And you can follow us on @toastroastpod, Instagram and Twitter.
Georgie 31:06
I don’t think we’re having an episode next week.
Geoff 31:09
No. Yes. We’ll be skipping one week. And we’ll talk about that in the next episode. Got to have content.
Georgie 31:17
Yes. And we will not be building a website for anybody. But you—
Geoff 31:25
Not even ourselves.
Georgie 31:27
No. Actually, you know what? Random tangent, I need to update my georgiecooke.com.
Geoff 31:34
Everybody needs to update, everyone needs to update their, their, their personal websites. It’s a cycle. So.
Georgie 31:43
Yes. Yes. Find us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify... And wherever else you listen to your podcasts and the big... I’m not gonna plug a website builder. So I’ll just say, the big website you can build yourself.
Geoff 32:00
Yep. The big self builder.
Georgie 32:02
In two weeks.
Geoff 32:03
See you in two weeks.
Georgie 32:05
Bye.