A time for giving of ANY kind as we give the gift of why you shouldn't give gifts.
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A time for giving of ANY kind as we give the gift of why you shouldn't give gifts.
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Georgie 0:08
Hey everybody, and welcome back to Episode 25 of Toast & Roast. I am your co host Georgie and I’m here with Geoff. How’s it going Geoff?
Geoff 0:18
Hello, it is a time of giving. But you know, who’s not going to give me anything? Perth.
Georgie 0:29
I’m not giving you shit?
Geoff 0:30
Perth’s not gonna give me flights back to see my family so. So nice of them.
Georgie 0:37
Yeah. It’s... Wait, isn’t it another couple months yet that the date is.
Geoff 0:42
They’re opening up on, in Feb, which is so useless for me.
Georgie 0:46
It’s just like, why?
Geoff 0:47
Yeah. What about you? Um, well my family in general is quite big on celebrating Christmas because they are of the Catholic affinity, or, how about you? Well—
Georgie 0:59
Yeah.
Geoff 1:01
What’s your experience?
Georgie 1:01
So my family’s Catholic, but I feel like over the years, Christmas has become I guess less of a deal. It doesn’t feel like it’s a big deal in terms of traditional Christmas put up the tree, do this and that, maybe it’s also because I’m moved out and I don’t know what goes on at home, but we don’t really have like a—
Geoff 1:24
Ritual, nothing.
Georgie 1:26
Yeah, we just hang out like, we go have dinner on the day or something that seems to be the thing whereas in comparison, Nick’s family, who are not religious, they’ll have like a family lunch or dinner like, so we’re going—
Geoff 1:42
Huge.
Georgie 1:43
It’s not huge, but they have like a baked, baked dinner, well, it’s usually lunch. It’s like a baked dinner like with you know, the bar—but the barbecue thing. Sorry. Okay, I’ve gotten it confused, tomorrow... We, sometimes have a barbecue for celebrations, but for Christmas it’s like a baked dinner.
Geoff 2:02
That’s interesting, choice of between barbecue and baking. Sometimes, well, back in the day we used to have the huge Christmas gathering at my parents’ house and we would crack open the barbie. For the Americans out there, it is opening the barbecue and lighting the fire I just realised I use like a massively Australian—
Georgie 2:25
Slang.
Geoff 2:26
Slang. Yeah, I don’t even know if anyone says they will crack open a barbie. I just kind of, put, you know, crack a cold one. And and like—
Georgie 2:35
Yeah.
Geoff 2:37
Firing up the barbie.
Georgie 2:38
I don’t personally.
Geoff 2:39
Shrimp on the barbie.
Georgie 2:40
I don’t even... no but the thing is, no one says “shrimp on the barbie”, wasn’t that popularised by like, Crocodile Dundee or something?
Geoff 2:49
Oh, that’s interesting.
Georgie 2:49
It was a stereotype. Yeah, because we’re because we’re Australian. And we don’t say shrimp. It’s a prawn, dude.
Geoff 2:58
Oh, shit. See, I’m a really bad Australian. Don’t ever come to me asking what Australians are like.
Georgie 3:07
I think, I think, it’s a bit of a joke, I think to Australians.
Geoff 3:12
Oh, okay.
Georgie 3:13
Who laugh at “throw another shrimp on the barbie”. But like, don’t ever say it to anyone.
Geoff 3:16
Oh, it’s ironic. Ish. No, sarcastic. Okay, so so you say that Nick’s family are a bit of a more festive family.
Georgie 3:30
Yeah. Yeah. So like on Christmas Day, they’ll like, there’ll be the Christmas tree. You even get the I call them bon-bons. But I think they’re called Christmas crackers.
Geoff 3:38
Really?
Georgie 3:38
Pull open the...
Geoff 3:39
No, I hear them called bon-bons. I hear bon-bons.
Georgie 3:42
Okay.
Geoff 3:43
Dorinda calls them bon-bons.
Georgie 3:44
Well yeah. Okay, well, I think I think Nick’s family calls them Christmas crackers more than I’ve ever heard bon-bons. So yeah, there’s Christmas crackers. And there’s like Christmas pudding. And if you don’t want the Christmas pudding, there’s some kind of dessert still, there’s like probably apple crumble or something. And then there’s like some chocolate and candy. There’s all like a big, big thing.
Geoff 4:07
Got the placemats going, the...
Georgie 4:11
Kind of themed I think...
Geoff 4:13
The tablecloths... The napkins, yeah.
Georgie 4:16
Yeah.
Geoff 4:17
Yeah, that’s usually what happens at my, my place as well.
Georgie 4:21
Yeah, it’s nice because my parents and my family don’t really get super festive. It’s just the time to just hang out and give presents. Even the present, present thing is not huge in my family.
Geoff 4:35
Ooh, presents.
Georgie 4:36
Like so, my my mum, my mum is the kind of person who really likes to receive gifts even if... like they’re not—she likes the thought of the gift but she likes to receive something even if it is like, you know, flowers or something.
Geoff 4:57
Interesting. Yeah.
Georgie 4:59
I’m not really to that I if someone wants to give me something, I’m the kind of persson who goes, please don’t give me anything.
Geoff 5:06
Yeah.
Georgie 5:07
Or if you want to give me something, give me I don’t know, tea or something that I can consume or use because, I don’t know. Like, and the thing is, the funny thing is in the past, I used to be very, into giving gifts to people, really thoughtful gifts, like I’ll think about something that they said that they liked. And if I know them really well, this is easier, of course, but sometimes I like handmake the cards and things like that.
Geoff 5:33
Wow yeah.
Georgie 5:33
I like to give them to people. You’ll find this funny though, some of my online friends, I decided to send some Chris—like handmade Christmas cards to them, like a few years back, actually not a few, probably like five. I think of “a few” and I go, that was pre pandemic, so like, five, five or so years ago. And then on the back I wrote “recycle me in a year”. Because I’m just like, please don’t like hang on to these things like they’re the—
Geoff 5:58
Hey hey hey, you can’t tell people how sentimental stuff is.
Georgie 6:03
Well, I can’t, right, but I don’t want them to feel the the sentiment was like.
Geoff 6:07
That’s true.
Georgie 6:08
Don’t feel pressure to keep this for fucking ever.
Geoff 6:10
Yeah, I I don’t expect people to keep it, yeah, forever. Granted—
Georgie 6:16
I won’t be offended.
Geoff 6:16
I don’t write any cards. I’ve like written like a handful of cards in my lifetime.
Georgie 6:23
Really?
Geoff 6:24
Yeah. I’m not a big handwriting person. Yeah,
Georgie 6:27
For me cards became the excuse—I think this started in high school—cards became the excuse to write a giant essay to people I care about, about why they’re so important to me and stuff. So that’s, that’s why I kind of value the cards.
Geoff 6:43
Yeah.
Georgie 6:44
Less so these days, but yeah.
Geoff 6:47
No, I get that. Like, like, maybe maybe during the year or something like that. You’re not like a frequent giver of emotions and feelings to people. And then a card is like a nice way to summarise at all.
Georgie 7:07
Well I guess it’s kind of like I think I am. Or maybe not. I don’t know.
Geoff 7:12
I don’t see any great messages from you on a weekly basis.
Georgie 7:17
Yeah, it’s true, but I think you could say that about most people right.
Geoff 7:21
Yeah.
Georgie 7:23
Yeah. It’s an excuse. It feels like festive. Important time.
Geoff 7:29
Yeah.
Georgie 7:29
I like you a lot.
Geoff 7:32
Just from like, I haven’t forgotten that you exist, and I like you a lot.
Georgie 7:37
Yes, yes.
Geoff 7:38
The—yeah, gift giving has gotten a little bit—
Georgie 7:44
Wack.
Geoff 7:44
Wack at my family. So in the past, you’re right, we would get pretty thoughtful gifts. I was really on top of listening and remembering random stuff that they wanted through the year. And then I would like I would pick one and get them for it. But nowadays, it’s just give us a list.
Georgie 8:08
Gift voucher?
Geoff 8:09
Give us a list—because we didn’t want to do vouches. Even though we do vouchers for massages, and spa days, for some. We now give each other lists of items. And they we buy one or two of them to give to each other. And usually, we kind of end up doing about 100, like about $50 each. So there’s three of us splitting a gift for one other sibling, so it’s about $150. And I’m like, is this really what we’ve come to? Like? Why don’t we just give each other $150 and call it call it even? And then like, and I’m like, you know what, even better—we don’t give any gifts because it’s just zeroed out. Right? I give you $150, you give me $150. But they’re like, “That’s no fun, Geoff”. And I’m being a bit of a Grinch. But—
Georgie 9:13
You have a point. I think it’s just like people. Okay, so I understand where people are coming from because they want to, they want to give a thoughtful gift.
Geoff 9:21
Oh, like it’s a festive thing as well. Right? Like, you exchange, it you open stuff, opening stuff is fun. I could totally get it.
Georgie 9:29
Yeah, but it’s like, I don’t know. Like I would rather not give gifts because... I don’t really... like I don’t want a... I don’t want stuff.
Geoff 9:42
Yeah.
Georgie 9:42
I don’t want stuff, and then for someone to buy me like for someone to buy me an experience or something that means something to me rather than a thing. Some people are kind of not into that, right, like I think it’s I think the—you know, getting someone like a Red Balloon gift voucher or something for an experience, that’s, that’s OK. But I think, I can understand why people are just like, oh, it’s just a gift voucher, I’m not getting you the actual thing.
Geoff 10:08
Yeah.
Georgie 10:09
But yeah, there’s also the part I don’t like is the—gift giving has turned into this thing where I think people have realised that sometimes people use it as an opportunity to give you something that they like, but they don’t actually know you well, and it’s just like, we still want the thought to count. And it’s just this confusing—
Geoff 10:29
Yeah.
Georgie 10:29
...thing where I feel like it’s easy to just not do this. And then I tell people, just give me some coffee or tea because like, I’ll drink it or whatever or get me some, fucking, I don’t know.
Geoff 10:38
“But that’s boring I always get coffee and tea.”
Georgie 10:42
But that is exactly, exactly what people say.
Geoff 10:44
But that’s the thing we value.
Georgie 10:46
...shit you need.
Geoff 10:47
It’s like, I mean, you, stoked for coffee and tea. Them, thinking it’s boring. But hey, if you want it, why not give it to you? I want a red packet with $150 in it just... straight up cold cash. But yeah, the and the hardest thing is when you receive a gift that... from a close friend that you don’t particularly like, and and then you go well, do I tell them I don’t particularly like the thing?
Georgie 11:25
Okay, let’s go into this.
Geoff 11:27
Or do I not?
Georgie 11:28
What are your thoughts on re-gifting?
Geoff 11:31
Ooh. So, um, recently, I pulled up some gifts that I got a long time ago, that have, that are kind of like ornamental, they just sit on the shelf really.
Georgie 11:46
Decor.
Geoff 11:46
Figurines, like decor...
Georgie 11:48
So anti minimalist.
Geoff 11:49
So I’m like, man, I don’t have a spot for any of this stuff. And I don’t like dusting. So I said, you know, I straight up went up, and I said, “I’m gonna sell this”. They were, I think, okay with it. It’s been like, a few years, but I’m like, I just like, well, I don’t have space for them. It’s It’s not really my thing. So I’m gonna sell it. Granted, it’s really been really difficult to sell. So actually, they have been sitting on my shelf.
Georgie 12:19
Oh shit.
Geoff 12:21
But, but yeah, re-gifting is kind of okay. And yeah.
Georgie 12:26
Yeah.
Geoff 12:26
Depends on your relationship with my think I think most people like yeah, sure if you’re not into it anymore, because geez, like a gift eight years ago. Like, if you like, like things change. If you’re not into it anymore, then then I think that’s perfectly perfectly reasonable. I mean, from my perspective, okay, fine.
Georgie 12:46
Yeah, I mean, I’m okay with it as well, and like it—I think the thing that people forget is, if I’m giving someone a gift, let’s say I give you Geoff, okay, like, I think of the worst gift for you. Say I give you a bottle of rum.
Geoff 13:00
Jesus, that is the worst gift ever.
Georgie 13:05
Like, I’ll give you a bottle of rum. You’re just like, gee, I don’t know what to do with this, Georgie. And you tell me that you don’t like it and you’re gonna like sell it, maybe to someone who likes rum, like Nick, or somebody. And, like, I’m not gonna be offended because I’ve given you this thing. It’s yours now.
Geoff 13:23
Yeah.
Georgie 13:23
You can do whatever you want.
Geoff 13:24
Yeah!
Georgie 13:25
If you don’t like it... that’s the idea of a gift. Right? Why should I hold like some kind of grudge or be bothered by you deciding what you want to do with the thing that I literally just gave you...
Geoff 13:36
Yeah.
Georgie 13:36
...as a gift. At least I know that you go like you don’t like rum, and I’m just gonna be like, well, that was a dumb idea. And I know for next time.
Geoff 13:43
Yeah, it’s, it’s kind of it’s kind of like constructive criticism on the gift, and if you never get constructive criticism, how can you improve your gift giving?
Georgie 13:56
Exactly.
Geoff 13:57
But uh, the funny thing is I think over time—and I and I think I’ve been a little bit more honest about like, my minimalism, and you know, types of things I buy and how little I buy—that friends even most recent ones have caught on to the fact that gift giving for me, to me, gift... giving me gifts is actually really difficult. Because anything I want is wildly outside the the price range of anybody giving me a gift. And, and they don’t want to give a gift that I don’t particularly like or would use. So yeah, they just realised, like wow, Geoff, giving you gifts must be super difficult because no one a) in their right mind, would buy me something that I would, that I would buy myself and also, I don’t have a lot of stuff. So I don’t you know, wear any particular. Like, I think what we tried to do is get my sister a Pandora bracelet. So that’s infinite, right? You just keep giving them charms. And...
Georgie 15:16
Yeah.
Geoff 15:16
But I’d have nothing like that I have nothing. That’s I mean board games, but board games are very difficult. I mean, even though I get my sister a board game almost every year, it’s hard to tell what kind of board games people like.
Georgie 15:33
Pertains to your tastes, right? Like, yeah, I mean, the only games I—you’ve seen the like, the three games I have, and you said they were like a girly or what—
Geoff 15:40
I did not say that! I just said they were unique. And they’re things I’ve never thought of.
Georgie 15:50
Yeah, I’m more into games that are about like, connecting with people and getting to know people, which I can understand a lot of people are not into. So if someone were to buy me a game, like, that’s the kind of shit I’m into. And it’s just like, it’s very particular. Right? I mean, I also like, just fun, funny, simple, easy to play card games kind of thing. But I’m also not super into games. So, if you, if someone bought me a game, it would almost be like, they were saying, I heard you like games, you might like this. But then, like you’re trying to make me like this thing that you bought for me.
Geoff 16:28
Yeah, I think maybe it comes with age as well. Like, just not purely because we’re minimalists. And we don’t have a lot of stuff. It’s just sort of like, as, as you grow, you have new—
Georgie 16:39
Values.
Geoff 16:39
Your, your values change, the things you get are a little bit more nuanced. And it’s hard to know that nuance of anybody. And, and the thing is, like, if you’re giving it—I think it just gets exacerbated by the fact that we are minimalists, because I think you could probably get some general gifts that people will enjoy mugs, stuff like that. People—
Georgie 17:06
Candles.
Geoff 17:06
Candles. People don’t, maybe people don’t fully think about the fact that they have too many mugs. Because mugs are always useful.
Georgie 17:17
I definitely think about that.
Geoff 17:19
But we think that we have too many mugs—I have four glasses for no more. No less. I have not had any use case where I’ve had more than three other people over very frequently, but you know, so yeah, I think gift giving is super hard. Move on the same thought actually. People who—I think Christmas is also a bad gift giving time for another reason. And that is people who, who feel the need to give a gift, no matter what, on that day.
Georgie 18:07
Okay.
Geoff 18:07
So like, I think the pressure gets to people. You know, Christmas is coming up. I got to find a gift. I’ve left it too late. I’ll just grab something. And it kind of ties in—
Georgie 18:19
Sounds like me.
Geoff 18:20
Yeah, kind, kind of ties into like, you get some weird, weird gifts. So, so yeah, I think it puts that pressure on people to give gifts, and not particularly just family and friends. If you’re, like, I don’t know office stuff, right? Office. They like to—
Georgie 18:43
Oh, you mean work.
Geoff 18:43
Play gift giving games. Yeah. And they always do like—
Georgie 18:46
You mean like Santa, secret Santa. Yeah, so actually, like I, a couple years ago, I bought Chris and Ryan like coffee... like what do you call them? Holy shit. I forgot what they’re called.
Geoff 19:00
Grinders.
Georgie 19:01
Like the, no...
Geoff 19:03
Keep cups!
Georgie 19:04
Like the, yeah, keep cups except it wasn’t the KeepCup brand. It was a better one called—
Geoff 19:08
Frank Green.
Georgie 19:09
It’s pronoun—nah, nah, Joco. J, O, C, O, I think Nick keeps saying it’s “Yoko”, I don’t know, it could be.
Geoff 19:18
Zee “J” is silent. “Joco”.
Georgie 19:22
Yeah. Joco cup. Yeah. Anyway, I did see Ryan using his multiple times over Zoom. And he was saying he wr—I think we were talking about gift giving in a chat once and he was like, this is actually a really good gift Georgie, I was like, “Yeah!”. It was just like, you know, like, it’s a thing that you can use. It’s useful. They both drink coffee and I just, I just thought about it. Just don’t tell—Chris is listening to this, haha—don’t tell them I bought it in the Black Friday sale like a couple months earlier, but that was a few years ago anyway. Plus...
Geoff 19:59
Yeah.
Georgie 19:59
You know, so do you do people probably do buy Christmas gifts on Black Friday? Because I’ve heard people talk about it. No shame.
Geoff 20:09
Yeah.
Georgie 20:09
If you do, I’m not judging you.
Geoff 20:10
I mean, the thing is, gifts should be I like more thoughtful than then pricey, I think.
Georgie 20:18
Exactly.
Geoff 20:19
The problem is that everything that I need or want in my life is a little bit out of the price range.
Georgie 20:27
Yeah.
Geoff 20:28
I’ve been really into—
Georgie 20:29
I think it’s fine, like, it just means the stuff that you’re into is like, that’s what you’re into. And like, it’s not your fault, that someone wants to give you a gift and they want to get you a thing. And they’re like all but Geoff likes expensive things, and I don’t want to spend—I get that you don’t want to spend that money. And it’s like, Well, why don’t you, I don’t know, why don’t you shout Geoff lunch instead? Or something? Right? Like—
Geoff 20:54
Yeah, I’d appreciate it.
Georgie 20:55
I feel like you’d appreciate just like hanging out and someone—
Geoff 20:59
Yeah.
Georgie 21:00
Buying you a meal. And it’s more fun than someone just trying to get you a gift. And...
Geoff 21:06
It’s, yeah, exactly, exactly. And that’s why I think I don’t like Christmas. gift giving is because everyone feels like they need to give a thing. It’s even though you expressly say like, look, don’t don’t get me a gift. Oh, do you do gift giving with uh, with Nick?
Georgie 21:29
We don’t, nah.
Geoff 21:31
Yeah.
Georgie 21:31
I think we stopped like, like years back, right? We’re just like, let’s not worry about it, like we both mutually decided that we, each individually didn’t want anything. So I was like, don’t get me anything. And it’s like, Let’s just hang out. And I don’t know, like maybe we’d go out and have a dinner or something together or whatever. It’s like why—it’s a similar to Valentine’s Day, right? Like, kind of like, why have a special day to suddenly have food, to suddenly give this, to suddenly also spend time with each other. Which is why also like, I understand I like that Christmas is like family coming together and stuff. But it’s also like, you know, like it’s... doesn’t have to be super special. You can hang out another time as well. And it’s still gonna be good.
Geoff 22:17
Yeah, yeah. I empathise with the idea that it’s an excuse to do something nice and an excuse to take someone out. But my advice—in my very limited relationship lifetime—is yeah, chill. Like, take take, take any opportunity is my, is my takeaway. Me and Dorinda also, right off the bat, not even didn’t even start giving gifts yet. Talked about gifts. And like, we’re not, we’re not gift receivers. We’re not, yeah, we’re both not fond of receiving gifts. But we love giving them. So our our compromise here is that you’re right, Christmas, because neither of us really celebrate Christmas, no, gifts on Christmas. But I mean, I was jokingly saying, well, the thing is, all the sales are during Christmas. So it’s really hard to not get a gift for you during Christmas period. Because I might find—
Georgie 23:34
Wait, for yourself?
Geoff 23:34
Like, no, it’s something that if she might like, and that it’s a good idea to get the thing for them when it’s on sale. So I think at some stage, we’ll probably accidentally give each other gifts on Christmas. We almost did it this year. So the, so yeah, we’re, right off the bat where like, you know, no pressure for gifts on any particular day. And we’ve given gifts to each other on any, any kind of any random day.
Georgie 24:05
Yeah. That’s nice. I think like, it’s like when you see something and you think of someone and you just like I thought of you I feel like that is such a nice thing. Even if you just saw something like not even a physical gift. You’re just like, I read this and I thought of you. I feel like that is like
Geoff 24:23
Oh, that’s nice.
Georgie 24:24
Yeah. Or, like, nuanced thing. We’re just like, I saw this and I thought you might like it or something like that.
Geoff 24:29
Yeah.
Georgie 24:30
This thing looks like something. It’s it’s no pressure. Right?
Geoff 24:35
Exactly. And then you start saving up all the gifts and then the person may be like, you saved up all the gifts but today? But you’re right. I think you I thought of you. I picked it up. Here it is. And I’ve heard people ask why. Oh, it’s like why did you give them a gift?
Georgie 24:55
Why did you think? Why did you give them a gift?
Geoff 24:58
Yeah, it’s like there’s this is no reason to give them... then I’m like, cos....
Georgie 25:02
That’s, that’s the question form of saying, “Oh, you shouldn’t have”. Why did you give me...
Geoff 25:11
Oh not the person receiving it. Um, I’ve... my friends when I told them that I gave Dorinda a gift, they would just like, they turn to their partner like, “Why don’t you ever get me a random gift?”
Georgie 25:23
Oh my god. Hilarious.
Geoff 25:26
Yeah, like, yeah, I’m, I’m winning. I’m winning now. Um, but yeah, I think it’s nice to get your gifts any random time. Don’t, don’t think too hard about it. If you like it, if you know they’ll like it, then then go ahead. Give it to them. It’s...
Georgie 25:46
You know how I mentioned the rum thing? Yes. So Chris told me that I think his friend came up with this idea called Shitmas. You spend a small amount of money, you spend a small amount of money in a group. It’s, it’s like Secret Santa, but it’s shit. And you get someone like the worst gift, that you think they will absolutely hate and it just, it’s funny. Because there’s still some like, weird festive spirit to it. But yeah, and my brother told me about one called I think it’s called Dirty Santa.
Geoff 26:18
Ooh yeah.
Georgie 26:19
You steal people’s presents or something. I don’t know how it works, actually. Yeah. Yeah. So what would be the worst gift to give you Geoff? Like the worst, something you would absolutely abhor.
Geoff 26:28
Oh, my God. It’d have to be something—
Georgie 26:31
Or something completely useless.
Geoff 26:34
It would have to be something completely useless. I was, I was I’m leading towards fidget spinner, but I feel like I may actually use it. Oh, what would be... I don’t think there is, I mean, socks, I guess. Socks are pretty...
Georgie 26:54
Wow, you would? If you got socks, you’d be like, nope?
Geoff 26:59
I have an unopened pack of Christmas socks from circa 10 years ago.
Georgie 27:07
Wait, do they have Christmas print?
Geoff 27:08
They have Christmas prints on them.
Georgie 27:10
Oh okay.
Geoff 27:11
Um, what would be the most useless thing? I don’t know. What would be your most useless thing to get you?
Georgie 27:25
I think if you bought me a bottle of milk, I’d be like, fuck off.
Geoff 27:31
Because you’re lactose...
Georgie 27:32
I think. Yeah. And I think worse would be like a tub of yogurt. Because basically the last time I ate that, I got so sick. This was like, I think was like 2012. And I think I was trying to do one of those. I was trying to do like this fundraising thing called Live Below The Line where you live on $10 a week for one week.
Geoff 27:55
Whoa.
Georgie 27:56
Like, you’re spending ten—yeah, it was like kind of like to raise awareness about poverty and stuff. And I made the mistake of like getting some yogurt and sour cream. It’s like, she didn’t even like lactose intolerance. She was just like, I think this could be versatile. Oh my god. I was. I was in so much pain.
Geoff 28:15
Why did you eat it? Oh, it’s because you didn’t have...
Georgie 28:18
Because I was...
Geoff 28:19
Any other stuff.
Georgie 28:19
...doing this fundraising thing. Right. And I guess I’ve like I had to spend only $10. I mean, of course I could exceed the budget if I really wanted to. But I was thinking what can I make and what’s versatile?
Geoff 28:30
Yeah.
Georgie 28:30
And yeah, I’m now Nick has Nick has a yogurt with oats and banana and passionfruit in the morning super healthy, nutritious breakfast and I refuse to like touch the tub of yogurt when he’s done with it. And I refuse to like rinse it out because just the the fucking smell makes me gag.
Geoff 28:54
Ooh.
Georgie 28:54
So, yeah. Don’t give me yoghurt for Christmas. Please don’t. Oh, you can get it—
Geoff 28:58
Shitmas.
Georgie 28:59
Don’t get it. Give it to me. Otherwise,
Geoff 29:02
I’m wondering what would be the most useless gift? Yeah, I’m looking through the Christmas gift store on Amazon. Let’s have a look. See?
Georgie 29:10
So I don’t really use Amazon. I think the last thing—actually I got Nick to buy me those hangers but I don’t really look at stuff on there.
Geoff 29:18
Yeah, it’s um, I think anything you could buy me I could find use—books. Oh my god. Yes. Do not get me a book at whatever you do—
Georgie 29:29
Wait before you continue...
Geoff 29:30
I do not read. I have no time to read. I won’t read any book.
Georgie 29:35
I think you’re about to dive into this Christmas gift store thing on Amazon and I think we’re both going to find that everything in there that is given is like these prescribed gift ideas—is not—like, we would hate it all. And I think that’s quite
Geoff 29:53
Yeah. I mean, like—
Georgie 29:56
Click the fashion one I want to know what bullshit is gonna suggest for fashion?
Geoff 30:02
Oh, what were you saying before I was gonna I was gonna go.
Georgie 30:05
Oh my god.
Geoff 30:05
You’re like Secret Santa.
Georgie 30:07
So you see this? There’s pyjamas.
Geoff 30:10
Yeah.
Georgie 30:10
Fuck, I hate pyjamas. Pyjamas.
Geoff 30:14
Lounge sets.
Georgie 30:15
Loungewear is the most useless...
Geoff 30:17
Do you not do not use pajamas?
Georgie 30:19
I just wear a big, like, T shirt. Like, oh, yeah, I don’t like you know, actual pyjamas that are made for, that they have the patterns on them and shit.
Geoff 30:28
Peter Alexander...
Georgie 30:29
Yeah. Nick, and Nick asked me the other day, last week to walk with him into a Peter Alexander and was like, are you sure you don’t want pyjamas for Christmas? And I was like, get the fuck out. Why would I want like these cartoony patterned things and he was like, but then we could have matching pajamas. And I’m like, why do we care about matching—I was like, you’re just gonna sleep in this shit.
Geoff 30:55
Oh poor Nick, poor Nick.
Georgie 30:57
It’s just like, just like, so basically, not ashamed to say this. One of my pajamas is this giant shirt dress with the Nirvana smiley face on it. And I’ve had it for like, since 2014. So that’s like, seven years or something. And I just, it’s just like, it’s 100% cotton. It’s like, it’s comfortable. It doesn’t have any holes in it. You can tell it’s been worn, but it’s still comfortable. And I just, I think that pyjamas are just like this overpriced piece of clothing that you just wear to bed, roll around in.
Geoff 31:34
Cult. Pyjamas are a cult.
Georgie 31:36
And similarly, loungewear is like... Okay, so like right now I’m just wearing clothes that I went out in today. It’s just like a top and shorts, which I find is nice enough to and I just—my general clothes I’ve tried to get to a—like street wear—I’ve tried to get to a point where I also feel comfortable wearing them at home. And like sitting on the couch and lounging in. So I’m like, why do like why do I need to? Why don’t you buy this specialised, overpriced piece of clothing that is supposedly for lounging in? And then what, do you wear it outside? I think some people do and it’s become this luxury item.
Geoff 32:20
Oh no.
Georgie 32:21
What is the point? I’ve got clothes that I can wear at home. I can also wear them outside to go grocery shopping. And it’s just like, it’s just more clothes. And it’s just overpriced. And then similarly pyjamas. It’s like, I want to wear an old shirt to bed. Fuck you. Like if you don’t like that? It’s not my problem.
Geoff 32:39
Yeah. I’m also not entirely bothered to change into lounge where just to lounge in. I have—
Georgie 32:48
Exactly right, you just have clothes, why would you get changed to just sit on the couch, I just don’t get it.
Geoff 32:53
Incredible. It is incredible. They’ve come up with categories to convince people that they need to purchase more, more clips for certain specific activities, I guess. I think you were talking about Shitmas or like Secret San—that like, Dirty Santa or whatever. Just reminded me in an episode of The Office, US where they—the boss—organised Secret Santa and everyone picked the names and then he decided that some of the gifts were too nice and that he wanted them. So he turned it into Dirty Santa midway and started like this whole stealing gifts thing. And it became really awkward, obviously because that’s what The Office is all about. Because I mean the the couple love interest centered characters of the show, obviously got each other pretty sentimental gifts, right. And very personal because they knew each other a lot. Well, like more intimately than the other ones. And the personal gifts started getting stolen. And I’m like, oh my god. That that is a situation—that is a real Shitmas really. I, I wouldn’t wish I wouldn’t wish... I wouldn’t even stick around to witness such a thing. That’s that would be—
Georgie 34:32
Just leave.
Geoff 34:33
Yeah. I think if anyone got me a duplicate of something I already had, I’d be pretty pretty bummed.
Georgie 34:44
I’ll buy you a Tesla.
Geoff 34:45
Oh yeah, I need—
Georgie 34:46
Would you be bummed?
Geoff 34:47
Two Tesla’s. No, I probably wouldn’t be bummed because I guess my my partner can drive the Tesla, the second one.
Georgie 34:55
Or you could sell it and then just have a whole bunch of money to spend.
Geoff 34:57
it’s true that way. I got a free, got a free Tesla? Um, yeah, but yeah, a printer. Do not get me a printer. I have no use for a printer.
Georgie 35:09
Actually, if you got me a printer I I’d be annoyed but I might actually use it like once every six months when I need to print a returns form?
Geoff 35:19
Yeah, it’d be like a guilty pleasure. It’d be like in the back closet you’d like oh yeah, I have a printer for this thing.
Georgie 35:27
The ink would dry. It would be a sad day, though. Six months, you’d be like, oh, shit.
Geoff 35:32
Yeah. But I guess it’s like, yeah, in Christmas.
Georgie 35:37
The cost to fun ratio would be...
Geoff 35:39
Oh yeah, pretty bad.
Georgie 35:41
How much fun can you have with a printer.
Geoff 35:43
Oh, man. Depends on how dark the ink is, you know, like, You got to have a good deep, deep blue to have fun. But I am into smart home stuff at the moment. So I gave my siblings a list of smart home stuff to get me. Not that one. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully I get some better... I use Amazon list. I gave them an Amazon list. And then they can pick whatever they want from the Amazon list and send it to me. Actually, annoying thing. So one of my sisters created a list, of course, on paper—didn’t, the list didn’t exist—gave it to her husband, and then told us to go ask her husband what’s on the list?
Georgie 36:34
That’s a bit annoying.
Geoff 36:35
Yeah. That’s not even the most annoying part. The husband buys the entire list. And I’m like—
Georgie 36:43
Oh, of course he does.
Geoff 36:45
What a jerk. I like, complained to my other siblings. Why did he buy everything on the list? Does he not understand?
Georgie 36:52
Does he not even does he not even offer to like say, I’ll buy this on your behalf and just say it’s from you. Like that would have been nice?
Geoff 36:59
No. No. Like, I don’t know. I think he He treats us very procedurally, you know, like, like a, like a function?
Georgie 37:07
Ah, yeah.
Geoff 37:09
He is, he is a programmer. But like, he got a list of things that someone wants, it makes sense to just get them the things they want. And I’m like, that’s very pragmatic. I agree with pragmatism. But we as siblings also need to pick something from the list so that we can buy something from the list. So.
Georgie 37:31
That’s a bit funny, actually.
Geoff 37:32
Yeah.
Georgie 37:32
It’s like, I’m surprised that he did that.
Geoff 37:36
I’m not.
Georgie 37:37
Just, why? Are you sure he’s not a giant troll?
Geoff 37:39
He’s just a robot sometimes. Like,
Georgie 37:44
You just you just give him a thing. And he just does it.
Geoff 37:47
He does that specific thing you told him to do. And he doesn’t do anything more or anything less.
Georgie 37:56
I’ve heard this said about many men.
Geoff 37:58
Yes. Yes. Me too. So like, he doesn’t realise it’s a Christmas gift giving, I’m like God. What’s even more hilarious is that one time we siblings got my sister, a set of headphones. The ones you’re wearing, actually.
Georgie 38:17
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 38:18
We got them in white. And her husband got them in black. She has two of the same headphones.
Georgie 38:27
She use them both?
Geoff 38:28
Well, I said just get rid of ours. Like I don’t mind. Just pick a colour.
Georgie 38:32
Just pick one you want and then return the other pair.
Geoff 38:35
That’s fine. And they’re like, nope, I’m going to use both of them. I’m like, in my mind. It doesn’t work that way. You know?
Georgie 38:44
Yeah.
Geoff 38:45
I’m like, Why do you need two?
Georgie 38:48
Some people don’t think that way. I’ve just got two gifts.
Geoff 38:51
One or the other. Like, just wear the—one into the other. Yeah, I don’t know. I like multifunction.
Georgie 38:57
Not everyone is a minimalist.
Geoff 38:58
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that was this Christmas. A little bit of a debacle this Christmas. But good thing is my sister continued to add to her list. She’s like, this book is cool. Maybe a Google TV? And and we’re like, yeah, I’ll get, we’ll get your Google TV. Actually, on the Google TV thing, it’s really fucking confusing. Do you know what it is?
Georgie 39:27
I don’t think I know exactly.
Geoff 39:29
Exactly. Okay. So let me bring up the packaging for you. Close your eyes.
Georgie 39:34
Okay, not looking.
Geoff 39:36
Let me bring out the packaging for you.
Georgie 39:39
Okay, this is gonna be a packaging rant isn’t it.
Geoff 39:44
It’s a marketing rat. Okay. So.
Georgie 39:47
All right. Before you rant before you rant, can I look and can take it in.
Geoff 39:52
Yeah. Okay. “Chromecast with Google TV, entertainment that you love with a little help from Google”. So, do you know what Chromecast is? Right?
Georgie 40:03
It’s like, it’s like a little isn’t it? Like a TV? Basically, it’s like the Apple TV. It’s like a little device that you plug into your TV and it lets you watch stuff.
Geoff 40:12
It’s like AirPlay. It’s like a dedicated thing that you plug—you do olug in your TV. And it’s like, on—you can only AirPlay.
Georgie 40:21
Oh, yeah, that’s right. It’s it’s like an external display. But yeah, it’s like software on it that lets you do that.
Geoff 40:27
Yeah, exactly. So it turns your TV into an external monitor for you to, to, to cast to. And the thing is, my family is very aware of what Chromecast is. But they got given they were looking at some marketing. I think, JB Hi Fi. JB, Hi, Fi has a Google TV. And they asked what is a Google TV? And I’m here to ask you. What do you think?
Georgie 40:55
What I think? Okay.
Geoff 40:56
Is a Google TV, just reading what it says here? Yeah.
Georgie 41:00
Okay, “Google Chromecast with Google TV. Snow—I assume that’s the color—2020. Meet the new Chromecast with Google TV, browse your content, in all one place on TV, search without jumping between apps, get personal recommendations“. And the picture is like a dongle that you plug into something. And then there’s like a remote.
Geoff 41:23
Yeah.
Georgie 41:23
So this is—because I don’t use a Chromecast—I have an Apple TV. So this looks to me like something similar to an Apple TV. It looks like the dongle, you plug it into the TV, something like that. And that just kind of operates the software, and then the remote comes with it. And I don’t know. Yeah. So it seems to me like an Apple TV.
Geoff 41:45
Yeah, that’s that’s exactly what it is. It is basically like an Apple TV.
Georgie 41:50
So why is it called Google Chromecast?
Geoff 41:52
Yeah.
Georgie 41:53
Google TV.
Geoff 41:54
Exactly.
Georgie 41:55
Isn’t the Chromecast you just said to me is like the thing that you plug in, then you can cast to it, which I assume is that dongle. And then what is it just a remote. Is it basically a Chromecast but there’s a remote? But it’s called Google TV? So then the Google TV is the remote?
Geoff 42:11
That is the entirety of the dilemma here. My sister’s like, what’s the difference? There’s a Chromecast over here for $39? And there’s a Chromecast with Google TV on ni—$99? What do you do?
Georgie 42:26
Yeah, what? Do you just get the remote as well? And then does it work? But then why can you buy there on its own? Can it just can you so many can you install Google? Like what is Google TV then? Is it the remote? Or is it the software that you need to have on the Chromecast?
Geoff 42:44
Yep.
Georgie 42:44
I don’t know.
Geoff 42:45
Yeah. So how you described it earlier, as it’s basically like Apple TV is correct. But then when they throw it into Google Chromecast, you get into a bit of confusion. Because the Chromecast is literally just letting you AirPlay. So if you your TV was as dumb as fuck, you switch to HDMI, and then you just use your phone and throw stuff at it. And I was trying to explain this to my sister. And I had no idea that they just didn’t fathom what Google TV was. But Google TV is an entire operating system. It literally loads up like Apple TV, and an interface where you can select multiple movies and apps. So you’re jumping from the thought of, your phone is how you select the app and how you how you interface with the TV. So you click YouTube, you click the video you want and it appears on the TV, to using a remote, browsing for YouTube on the TV, and then playing YouTube. Like it was a TV channel.
Georgie 43:54
Wait, so doesn’t that mean? It’s essentially the same? Like, what’s the point of getting it? Isn’t it already—
Geoff 44:00
One is your phone that has to remain on and has apps for it. The other your TV has the apps—
Georgie 44:10
Has the remote?
Geoff 44:11
The TV has the apps not your phone. So yes, it’s very confusing
Georgie 44:16
It’s confusing.
Geoff 44:18
Especially when they say Chromecast with Google TV. My brother thought that we were buying her an entire TV.
Georgie 44:25
Oh my god. This is actually—like I’m thinking like I work in tech right and I have an Apple TV but I haven’t had it for that long but I was just thinking What about a lay person who’s never had like a digital TV like an Apple TV or Chromecast or whatever? And they look at this and like, I’m pretty sure if I talked to my parents and was like, oh we have an Apple TV, they’d think that it comes with the whole fucking—
Geoff 44:48
Exactly. You went to a store. You didn’t buy a Samsung?
Georgie 44:51
You went and bought a TV?
Geoff 44:52
You didn’t buy LG? You bought Apple?
Georgie 44:54
Like no, it’s a unit, that you plug in, you know. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sometimes I’m like, why’d you
Geoff 45:03
It’s trying to be great. But also, it’s very confusing.
Georgie 45:09
And I can imagine someone at JB Hi Fi trying to explain this to a person just trying to explain how it works. “Oh, no, you don’t have your free-to-air” I don’t know.
Geoff 45:19
You don’t need to buy a new TV. You just plug this in... It becomes a TV... whatever. But funny story actually, one time I did help someone at JB Hi Fi. I didn’t—never work at JB Hi Fi by the way.
Georgie 45:34
Wait, they’re not an employee. You mean like a customer?
Geoff 45:36
I help the customer. Yeah.
Georgie 45:38
Amazing.
Geoff 45:40
It was, you know, one of my many, very far and few between acts of kindness. So they were in the laptop section. And they had just finished talking to a JB Hi Fi employee and the JB Hi Fi employee’s obviously trying to sell them Norton Antivirus. And I got—this is injustice. You don’t need Norton Antivirus, everybody. You don’t need to spend however hundreds of dollars on Norton Antivirus because there are free things out there that do exactly the same thing.
Georgie 46:13
Hey, hang on. Didn’t the Norton Antivirus go to jail?
Geoff 46:17
Really? Oh, yeah, he did. The Norton guy. He was like If I die, he had a whole conspiracy. Right, Norton... Anti... no it was the Kaspersky guy.
Georgie 46:29
Oh sorry I beg your pardon. But I think I thought there was like some some weird stuff around—
Geoff 46:34
McAfee, McAfee, McAfee.
Georgie 46:36
Oh okay, there was one dodgy one that basically they were—I mean, we can talk about anti viru another time. Viruses get made. So anti viruses, antivirus software can profit off the virus. Anyway.
Geoff 46:48
Oh, that’s really that’s like insider trading. But for the antivirus software. It’s like when Google tells you they’re going to stop tracking you on ads. And you’re like, “No, you’re not”. You’re going to track us on very specific ads, namely your ads and not other people’s ads. Anyway, that’s a conspiracy as well. So I was at JB and this person, poor person, was being duped into buying antivirus software. And, oh if anyone’s never really thought about not getting Norton antivirus, there is a, one called Malwarebytes; we’ll put it in the description. That’s free and just run it.
Georgie 47:33
Is Avast still good because I—I used to use Avast.
Geoff 47:37
I used to. I used to use it as well, but I can’t remember if it’s still good. But yeah, just a pro tip. Tech Tips, Toast & Roast tech tips. Run it every couple months, every quarter every year, the unless you’re visiting some serious dodgy sites and downloading things from dodgy sites. You’re 99% of the way safe. PSA. So I go up to this lady after the JB Hi Fi guy goes away. And I said look, you don’t need to buy Norton Antivirus. Like, “do you work here?” I’m like no, but, and you don’t have to pay for this. “Here”, I like wrote down, what, Malwarebytes like, get this it’s free. Run it every now and then don’t worry about it. “Oh my god. Thank you so much. I thought I really needed it”. For one, don’t trust a random person telling you to download some software. No, salesperson, or me. Like I could mean I could be insider trading with my own antivirus. Anyways, so that like also thank you so much. Oh, I here’s my card. I’ll give you a free palm reading. And I’m like, thaaaaaaanks, I’m like, oh my God, what do I do with a palm reading? That is also a really useless gift for me anything in the realm of spirituality.
Georgie 49:13
Well, you can give it a go and she’ll probably tell you something you already know and give you a little bit, you know, in the realm of confirmation bias.
Geoff 49:20
We, yeah, we can get into like palm reading. But anyway. Um.
Georgie 49:26
Tomorrow you will be doing yoga, Geoff.
Geoff 49:28
Yeah, and I will be lighting the hundreds of candles that I get from off this podcast sitting on top of a mound of books. Um, so I get home I’m like, um, I know my mum likes get her palm read so I’m like here you go Mum, I helped someone at the store today and they said they’d give me a free palm reading so go get a free palm reading. See ya later. But yeah, I thought that was—I never helped anybody at JB Hi Fi ever again.
Georgie 50:01
Why? For fear you’ll get free stuff you don’t even need. Oh my god, can we talk about free stuff?
Geoff 50:06
Oh my god. Yeah, free stuff I don’t need Yeah, go.
Georgie 50:09
What’s what’s the word? I mean? What is the worst?
Geoff 50:11
Probably the palm reading.
Georgie 50:15
But that’s because you didn’t use it? I don’t know. Oh, so. So I um, just, true to form, made an Iconic order this week.
Geoff 50:26
Yeah.
Georgie 50:27
This, this is the first time I ordered from them in a while I wanted to try a few things. And oh, I don’t know if I told you but months like about four months ago, they sent me a code to basically get 20% off every single order with a couple of little exclusions for three months. So I could order anything.
Geoff 50:45
Whoa.
Georgie 50:46
Three months, that’s 20% off everything, every order, like want—as much as I want it as much as code as much as I wanted. Because I was like a loyal customer.
Geoff 50:54
That’s nice.
Georgie 50:54
I’m like, a loyal customer? I’ve returned like 95% of every order.
Geoff 51:00
Well at least you actually use their service.
Georgie 51:03
Yeah, that’s probably why. They want me to keep buying, right. And then they actually, like after that expired a few weeks later, they sent me another one. They were like, use this code up until March 2022. As many times as you want, 20% off, and I was like, dude. So side note, I did speak to a friend about this. And I was like, I feel guilty, you know, because we were talking about my friend actually asked me for my opinion on this article that was about returns, how businesses deal with returned products and how long they don’t always go back into inventory. And all that. Long story short, he had a friend, or who has a friend who works at The Iconic and actually asked and they said, oh, can confirm, as soon as I get the returns on their process, they actually are added back to the inventory unless there’s something seriously wrong with it and it’s not in resalable condition. And I was like, Ah, good to know.
Geoff 51:58
Yeah.
Georgie 51:58
Because like I actually take care and packing the return. But I can I don’t like ruin the clothes when I try them on. And I actually you know, put it back nicely and stuff. So anyway, this time around in this order I got this week. They gave me like a free like face cleanser.
Geoff 52:13
Whoa.
Georgie 52:14
And then there was a card. Yeah, there’s this little small size, like sample size, but it’s still sizable, like it was like, it was bigger than this. Like the sample. How much is this like? Yeah.
Geoff 52:24
100 mls.
Georgie 52:24
And it came with a card. I think it was a promotion thing, though. Yeah, like because it came with a card that was like, get 20% off any Garnier product. Try this. Try this free cleanser. But try this free cleanser. And I was just like, man, if I return this whole order... are you, like I still get to keep the free product, which I just found a little bit funny. So yeah, I mean, things I mostly think of about free stuff is when companies or businesses try to give you free stuff, or they do give you free stuff, and you’re like, oh shit. I don’t know what to do with this.
Geoff 53:03
Yeah.
Georgie 53:03
So one thing I think of is conferences and expos where you—
Geoff 53:05
Oh swag, oh swag.
Georgie 53:09
Yes swag.
Geoff 53:10
Please. No. No more yo yos. No more keep cups. No more T shirts. No more hats, umbrellas, rubber bands. Oh god.
Georgie 53:20
Yeah, so that’s, that’s what I think of. It would be nice to get useful swag.
Geoff 53:27
This is the latest free thing that I feel like is useless. So—
Georgie 53:33
You got an iced coffee?
Geoff 53:35
Yeah, ordered HelloFresh and in HelloFresh’s box they gave us a Nescafe can of 250 mls flat white coffee. And you know what? Top, top tier useless thing for me, I do not drink coffee.
Georgie 53:50
Why, oh just straight up.
Geoff 53:53
It’s free.
Georgie 53:54
See? I drink that but I bet it’s got actual milk in it.
Geoff 53:57
I probably I’d probably drink it. I don’t like I don’t hate hate coffee, but it’s like probably not my first choice of free thing. So I got a free thing for Christmas at a company, very—my, one of my first companies they gave me a bottle of Moet. Chandon Chandon, Moet. Yeah, champagne.
Georgie 54:23
Is that white?
Geoff 54:25
I think a sham—yeah, says champagne on it. Now. Arguably, I wasn’t the brightest person, uh, sharpest tool in the shed.
Georgie 54:34
Oh my God, did you think it was soda or something?
Geoff 54:37
No, I knew it was champagne, I knew it was alcohol but, the first thing I said to them, I said Oh, thanks. I think I’ll give it to my mum. Yeah, like I literally straight up said to my boss that I was gonna re gift the Moet and Chandon champagne that they just gave me. So yeah, useless gift of all. The thing is, maybe I would crack it open on a special occasion. I didn’t end up gifting it to my mum. I kept it for the past nine years.
Georgie 55:13
Wait, you still have it?
Geoff 55:15
No, I don’t. But only recently did I get rid of it. Because I looked at it and they actually expire. They expire in about four to five years. So I was like, well, why do I have this? So I emptied it down the drain. And there it goes.
Georgie 55:31
Wow what a waste.
Geoff 55:32
It’s pretty—I mean, $60 it’s pretty expensive.
Georgie 55:36
Yeah, I mean, some alcohol can age. I think, I mean I don’t know a ton about alcohol. But—
Geoff 55:41
Whiskey. Whiskeys age, I believe.
Georgie 55:46
But stuff like wine. I think you got to drink within a certain amount of time. And especially if you’ve already opened it. You actually have—
Geoff 55:53
Oh, I didn’t open it. But yeah, exactly. Yeah, I didn’t open it. But yeah, you’re right.
Georgie 55:58
But nine years is a long time to hold on to that. To be honest.
Geoff 56:01
Yep. Yep. We went to an Airbnb, the Airbnb that we were talking about in Wollongong. They gave us a bottle of white, which was very nice of them and some Ferrero Rocher. So chocolate,
Georgie 56:14
We got some at ours too, two Ferreros, but guess what, we didn’t actually eat any.
Geoff 56:18
You don’t eat ferreros?
Georgie 56:19
But—oh I don’t like them.
Geoff 56:22
Ah.
Georgie 56:23
That much. Nick likes them. But um, because we were staying on the apple orchard, they gave us like apple juice and apple jam, complimentary, and so we were enjoying that instead. It’s like, why would I want a Ferrero when I can have your apple juice?
Geoff 56:39
Yeah, yeah. Well, speaking of complimentary things, I think we’re gonna give everyone a complimentary exit from this in this podcast.
Georgie 56:49
Indeed.
Geoff 56:52
But Merry Christmas, everybody. Hope you get—
Georgie 56:55
If you celebrate it.
Geoff 56:56
If you celebrate it. If you celebrate it as non religious or religious. It is a good time to hang out with your family because for some strange reason the world well, most of the world, most of the western world—
Georgie 57:12
Is opening up again, I guess.
Geoff 57:13
Most of us will take Christmas as a public holiday, which is a whole nother topic that we will get into, public holidays rel—tied to religious.
Georgie 57:27
Or, patriotic...
Geoff 57:28
Or patriotic events. Yeah. So hope you guys get to spend time with your family. This holiday. We are going to take a break and I think come back in January ish. So yeah, um...
Georgie 57:45
Oh, and don’t tell us your New Year’s resolutions.
Geoff 57:49
Ah, yes.
Georgie 57:50
We don’t care.
Geoff 57:51
We, we will tell you why we don’t care in the New Year. What was it, don’t forget to follow us on @toastroastpod on Twitter and Instagram, mostly Twitter.
Georgie 58:07
We’ll probably promote some of our older episodes over our little break. But yeah, we’ll we’ll see you in the new year. And yeah, you can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and the big 2022.
Geoff 58:26
Ooh, big 2022. Yeah. Well, the world is starting to open up. So yeah, see you in the New Year. Bye.
Georgie 58:35
Bye.