Thrash metal, free parking, and passionate followers of celebrity controversy and gossip.
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Thrash metal, free parking, and passionate followers of celebrity controversy and gossip.
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Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Georgie 0:00
Hi and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host, Georgie and as usual, I am here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:17
Yeah, it’s kinda weird having you do my intro.
Georgie 0:21
I stole it.
Geoff 0:23
Yes, it is the microphone intro.
Georgie 0:25
I stole your microphone too.
Geoff 0:27
I mean, you got a different one. What made you choose the Yeti?
Georgie 0:31
You recommended it to me, bro.
Geoff 0:33
Did I? No I did not. I did not.
Georgie 0:34
Yeah, you did.
Geoff 0:35
I did not do that.
Georgie 0:36
You so did. Well you recommended that or like the I think it was the Q? UQ?
Geoff 0:42
Yeah.
Georgie 0:42
Something.
Geoff 0:43
I guess Yeah, it’s fine. To be honest. They keep telling you, everybody, it’s a podcasting microphone. So we should believe them.
Georgie 0:51
Well, it’s kind of it’s kind of like if someone says, hey, do you have any podcast recommendations? And you’re obviously going to tell them—
Geoff 0:58
I don’t recommend our podcast.
Georgie 1:00
Our one? Yes. You do.
Geoff 1:02
No I don’t.
Georgie 1:02
Even though it’s very shit.
Geoff 1:05
Like, I think I don’t know, I feel like most people would listen to podcasts for very specific type of content.
Georgie 1:13
This is as specific as it gets.
Geoff 1:17
It’s as specific as the ocean. Actually. So you went to another gig. (laughs)
Georgie 1:27
(laughs) The debacle but this one is that I was trying to find someone to go with me for like a really long, not a really long time. I messed that up. For like, since I found out about it—
Geoff 1:44
Years.
Georgie 1:44
I was waiting for someone to—
Geoff 1:46
Decades.
Georgie 1:48
It’s like a like a couple of weeks. And Nick didn’t want to come back which is fair enough different story to my ex not wanting to accompany me to stuff.
Geoff 1:58
Oh.
Georgie 1:58
It was more that Nick had plans for like the day before. And so he was like, I’ll probably be tired. And like fair enough, like understand he’s not interested in this kind of music. It’s very loud.
Geoff 2:09
What kind of music is this.
Georgie 2:10
Hard rock.
Geoff 2:14
How would you describe the sounds?
Georgie 2:19
I usually start by saying thrash metal. But that was their first album. Maybe I should say this and describe it and see if anyone knows who I’m talking about before I name them.
Geoff 2:30
Deadmau5.
Georgie 2:30
They won an ARIA. No.
Geoff 2:34
Dead-something.
Georgie 2:34
So they—
Geoff 2:35
Dead witches and hosts.
Georgie 2:40
It, close.
Geoff 2:41
Doctor Witches and hoes?
Georgie 2:44
You’re naming like the people who supported the band, like the support act?
Geoff 2:49
Oh, really?
Georgie 2:51
Yeah.
Geoff 2:51
Red Jumpsuit Apparatus.
Georgie 2:52
(laughs)
Geoff 2:52
Just naming words.
Georgie 2:55
So so they won an ARIA and I remember, by the way, I still haven’t named, neither of us have named this band yet.
Geoff 3:04
Yeah.
Georgie 3:04
Actually, maybe I should mention it. They had two people only in the band.
Geoff 3:08
What?
Georgie 3:08
So you’ve ruled out a good chunk of—
Geoff 3:11
Two person band?
Georgie 3:13
They have three now.
Geoff 3:14
Oh.
Georgie 3:15
But when they won the ARIA they were they were two. And I personally was proud of them because thrash metal? Not usually something that wins like the whatever it is the rock category in ARIA.
Geoff 3:28
Oh.
Georgie 3:29
By the way, ARIA is like the Australian something awards.
Geoff 3:34
Regal International Audio. (laughs)
Georgie 3:37
Regal?
Geoff 3:39
The... the Australian Recycled Interesting...
Georgie 3:45
You know, you could just look it up.
Geoff 3:46
Audio. Yeah, I want to look it up.
Georgie 3:48
You’re like yeah, I’m talking to microphone but I’m not doing the searching.
Geoff 3:52
ARIA the restaurant. Fine dining. ARIA, stand for, it is the Recording Industry Association. Wait, get, they’re getting an award called the ARIA, sounds weird. But anyways, so they—
Georgie 4:07
Yeah, it’s kind of like the Logies or the or the Grammys, yeah, so it’s an Australian version. So they won, I think this was back in 2014, or 2012 or something, a long time ago for like their first album. And I think they have remained mostly independent, like they produce and do all their, release the music themselves. And over the years, it’s become less their genre has become less less thrash metal and more just like hard rock.
Geoff 4:38
Yeah—
Georgie 4:38
Anyway, the band. (laughs) The band is DZ Deathrays. And I was just wondering actually, did you say DZ or D-Zed?
Geoff 4:47
D—
Georgie 4:47
You personally.
Geoff 4:49
D, DZ? Like Yeezy? D, D.
Georgie 4:54
Letter D and letter Z.
Geoff 4:56
DZ Deathrays. Oh, it’s a trio now, look at that, they’ve updated.
Georgie 5:00
Yes. I think they made some jokes saying that they grew by like, wait, what is it? 150% or something. Or is it 2? 1? 200%? No, no, it’s 150%. Yeah.
Geoff 5:15
100, 100.
Georgie 5:16
So they released an album, and they had a launch party, which was free.
Geoff 5:22
A lunch party?
Georgie 5:23
They had—launch, like an album launch party. And I wanted to go to it. And yeah, that was that was what the gig was. Last night.
Geoff 5:33
Oh it was just them? It wasn’t like a, I thought there was a second. Oh, that’s—
Georgie 5:38
Yeah. So they were—
Geoff 5:39
The band that you were talking about.
Georgie 5:40
Rookie, Geoff. Rookie, Geoff going like, I thought that this was Boys Like Girls.
Geoff 5:47
Look, there was no supporting band for Twice. You went there, you got Twice. And that’s it. That’s all I could ask for. They didn’t take like one and a half hours of looping music on end, actually was it one and a half hours? No, it wasn’t one and a half hours of looping used to go on and just waiting for the supporting act to arrive. It’s bullshit. Anyways.
Georgie 6:12
(laughs) But that’s how it is. That’s just the reality of, anyway. Like, last minute, my friend Chris, who I also worked with was able to come with me. And while we were waiting there, so we arrived at like seven o’clock, or like, just after seven o’clock, because they said doors were at seven. And because it’s free, you automatically sort of have a thought in your mind of okay, it’s free.
Geoff 6:39
Packed.
Georgie 6:40
People. Yeah, people are gonna rock up. And then I asked Chris, because he’s been to like, he’s an older, he’s older than me. And he’s been to more shows than me in his lifetime. I said, have you been to some free shows? And like, what are they like? And he said that you actually, surprisingly, don’t get a lot of people show up to the like, it’s not usually packed lines out the door, you can’t get in, sort of thing.
Geoff 7:07
Oh. Is it the exclusivity of ticket prices that drives the popularity up.
Georgie 7:13
It’s probably that but he said it might be that people don’t actually value a free gig.
Geoff 7:19
Yeah.
Georgie 7:19
There’s no, it’s free. So you’re not paying anything. Whereas if you paid for something, it’s not really an exclusivity. It’s that I’ve spent my whatever hard earned money on this. And it’s worth my time, whereas a free one, he said, maybe people forget about it as well, like, you haven’t committed sort of money towards it. So you just.
Geoff 7:41
Yeah, yeah, I guess that’s the that’s the thing where you’re like, oh, yeah, I’ll buy I’ll buy like some dumbbells because if I put money into it, then I will definitely, definitely work out.
Georgie 7:54
Well, I bought dumbbells for the pandemic. Actually, part of the dumbbells were like, we got a stipend for like, wellness during COVID, pandemic. So I put that towards a few dumbbells. And it’s quite funny. We, maybe I’ve talked about this in like episode two. We were strategic about only buying three pairs of dumbbells. It was like, eight kilos, I think 12 and a half kilos, 15 kilos, because I said to Nick, I can’t like eight kilos, quite heavy for me to do like even bicep curls. Like I can probably only do like, shoulder press or something. And he’s obviously stronger than me. And I said, but we need to like compromise. So we need to make sure that there’s something that’s light enough but challenging but not too light for him and then yeah, so because they’re fucking expensive man.
Geoff 8:49
Yeah.
Georgie 8:49
Unlike the free the free gig. But anyway, the, they ended up being, like it wasn’t packed packed. Like, there were a lot, a lot of people. I am very bad at estimating how many people in a room or whatever. But I reckon like more people could have come into the venue, it was like at a bar. So I don’t know, maybe 100 people, there were probably about 100 people in there. And most of them—
Geoff 9:16
There should be way more people.
Georgie 9:19
Yes. See, that’s that’s the funny thing. Like they also still kind of I would say they’re probably still considered indie, in the, like indie rock or something.
Geoff 9:29
Let’s, let’s check out their YouTube and see their like, top—ahh, started playing music.
Georgie 9:36
And you don’t like it, Geoff.
Geoff 9:40
Okay, what’s the most popular one? 841,000 views, eight years ago. So yeah, I think they’re, like, middle of the road. Granted—
Georgie 9:54
People know them.
Geoff 9:55
...go around. Oh, I mean, it’s VEVO. So That’s pretty good. VEVO.
Georgie 10:02
Is it? I have no idea what that even like, means.
Geoff 10:05
It’s, uh, you know what, I don’t know what that means either. I—
Georgie 10:10
Just think it’s more legit. There’s like a company’s name on it. Is it like an official music—
Geoff 10:17
“VEVO is an American multinational video hosting service best known providing music videos to YouTube, the service is also available as an app”. Wait, they’re a video hosting service that just posts to you. What’s the point? What? What is the point?
Georgie 10:35
I think, I think when they started coming up, I was like, oh, that means it’s the official.
Geoff 10:40
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Georgie 10:41
The official video music video.
Geoff 10:43
Yeah. Maybe—
Georgie 10:44
Not something like crap.
Geoff 10:46
They do the music video and then they give it to VEVO to kind of like, distribute.
Georgie 10:51
Promote?
Geoff 10:53
But that’s also seems stupid. Because just put it on your own channel. Oh, Ariana Grande and the Weeknd?
Georgie 11:04
I thought VEVO has, VEVO has their own channel.
Geoff 11:08
Yeah, they do. Okay, maybe maybe they have some kind of distribution channels that are a bit better than, oh my god, the contrast ratio on these.
Georgie 11:19
Nope.
Geoff 11:20
For those who aren’t, for those who can’t see, which is everybody. There’s a picture, I can’t remember who this person is. But that’s like orange, like an orange and a blue on this same image like half and half. And they have white links on top of it, which is okay, but if you hover over, it turns grey. And so the grey on the blue or the orange, it’s just, you can’t read that. Anyways.
Georgie 11:45
Why isn’t it just a background colour change?
Geoff 11:47
Yeah, why can’t they just give it a white background and blue link or whatever? Oh, well you know.
Georgie 11:54
So yeah, I was pretty close to going to this thing myself.
Geoff 11:57
Yeah.
Georgie 11:57
And I’ve probably talked to I mentioned this in the podcast before, like, my ex, didn’t want to come with me to stuff. And I don’t know, I think I still find it like triggering maybe? I think there’s like maybe some kind of inner child thing where I’m just like, if I’m not ready to go to an event myself, then I feel kind of upset and sad. Anyway, we were waiting for, like the support bands to come on. And there are a couple of people standing at the wall, like by the wall.
Geoff 12:29
Where was this by the way? Where was it played?
Georgie 12:33
It’s a place called Crowbar in Leichhardt. And I was gonna say it’s a pain to get to, but I don’t want to doxx myself. So if you live in Leichhardt, it’s right around the corner from you. But it’s funny because Chris said, like, I think I’ve been here before, but it was called something else. And then I started to think and like, pick at my own brain. And then I realized that I had been to that place before, but it was called something else. And I’m just like racking my brain going, “I think it had the word stag in it”. And he was like, “oh, yeah, yeah, it did”. And then I think we remembered or we saw what it was called, because they still have some of the old decor and it used to be called the Bald Faced Stag.
Geoff 13:17
Oh, I have heard of that one. I’ve heard—
Georgie 13:19
You have. So when did they when did they rebrand to Crowbar then?
Geoff 13:25
I mean, it doesn’t matter because they have a burger. Apparently. That is called the crow burger, smash patty beef, lettuce, onion rings, housemade bacon and bourbon jam, American cheese. See now this is why I would make it out there.
Georgie 13:38
How do you rate?
Geoff 13:40
I haven’t tasted it. But that sounds pretty—$18.50 is a bit steep. But hey,
Georgie 13:48
Would you pay that for a good burger?
Geoff 13:50
I would. Wingmill a bit over to the right. So you know, I don’t know if I would actually. Like if I was in the vicinity, I’d rather go to Wingmill then roll the dice on the Crowbar. But having said that, it is kind of a pain to get to in general. Like wherever you live in Sydney because it doesn’t really have—
Georgie 14:14
Parramatta Road.
Geoff 14:15
Yeah, it really doesn’t have a train station. Like you have to go to a different train station and then make your way over there on a bus or something. I don’t think it’s—
Georgie 14:25
Yeah or, walk.
Geoff 14:26
Yeah or walk.
Georgie 14:26
It was telling me I think Peters Ham was the place to go. Petersham.
Geoff 14:32
Really? Oh, yeah.
Georgie 14:34
And then you have to walk for like 10 to 15 minutes, actually, their website suggests like to walk from Petersham.
Geoff 14:43
Yeah. Wow. So yeah, I don’t think I think anything that doesn’t have a train station outside its door step is like hard to get to. If I have to take two different types of transportation to get to somewhere... not, not easy.
Georgie 15:01
Yeah, it was, it was gonna take me if I caught the train, I’d have to take two trains and then also walk for basically half an hour.
Geoff 15:09
Man.
Georgie 15:10
So we ended up driving and finding like parking, around the area.
Geoff 15:15
Yep. We—
Georgie 15:16
It was one of those situations where it says, okay, so it says, two hours—this amuses me by the way, you know when something has two hours parking?
Geoff 15:24
Yeah.
Georgie 15:26
Until a certain time, so let’s say it says two hours parking from 8am to 8pm.
Geoff 15:33
Yeah.
Georgie 15:34
And you rock up at seven o’clock, now it says the two hours parking ends at 8pm.
Geoff 15:42
Oh.
Georgie 15:43
What do you do if you rock up at seven, what do you personally, what goes through your mind?
Geoff 15:47
You pay for the hour and then not pay for anymore? Sounds reasonable, right?
Georgie 15:53
What, what if it’s two hours free?
Geoff 15:57
Oh two hours—
Georgie 15:58
8am to 8pm?
Geoff 16:01
8am to 8pm is two hours for free. But wait after 8pm you have to pay?
Georgie 16:07
No.
Geoff 16:08
What’s, what—
Georgie 16:09
It’s just there’s no restriction.
Geoff 16:11
There’s no restriction? Well, then you just park.
Georgie 16:14
Because you know, because you know, for example, if there’s the 30 minutes and you park for more than 30 minutes, you will risk getting fined. So yeah, so you just park?
Geoff 16:24
Yeah. If I arrive at seven and the two hours, is 8pm. So after 8pm, you’d have, you get fined?
Georgie 16:35
No, you don’t.
Geoff 16:36
You don’t get fined?
Georgie 16:37
Like there’s no restriction.
Geoff 16:38
There’s no restriction after two. If you arrive at seven then. Yeah. And it’s two hours free parking. Then you just not pay anything.
Georgie 16:47
Yeah, exactly. I find that so amusing. So you just you could just park there all night.
Geoff 16:54
Yeah.
Georgie 16:54
Until, you technically could park there until like, 10am the next day. If it was like 2—
Geoff 17:01
You don’t have to pay for the, even the two hour parking then. Don’t pay forever. What’s the point in the sign?
Georgie 17:09
To fine people who just like park there. Oh my god, this reminds me. So when we moved into our current place, there was a car in the, so I don’t know why but in apartment buildings the car spaces and not in order. So—
Geoff 17:24
Oh yeah, yeah. So my car—
Georgie 17:26
Yeah, so it’s like you might have apartment 200 next to apartment? 502.
Geoff 17:32
Yeah.
Georgie 17:32
For some reason? Is it just for ease of whatever, I don’t know why exactly.
Geoff 17:36
In our parking lot. It’s, it’s a mix of commercial and then further down you go becomes private parking. So I think they start number one right at the top, and they go to just number all those things, and then no matter, and then so then they get all the apartments and they just say right, just assign the apartments one of those numbers so like you could be apartment, well there’s three buildings here, but you could be apartment 203 or something like that. And then your parking spot would be like 160 or so. It’s not it’s not matching.
Georgie 18:11
Oh that’s confusing.
Geoff 18:13
For the first—
Georgie 18:13
Ours is like—
Geoff 18:14
I couldn’t remember what my parking spot number was.
Georgie 18:18
Ours doesn’t works like that. It’s more that the unit numbers actually there, but they’re not in unit number order.
Geoff 18:24
Oh, that’s weird. So you’re, yeah that’s even weirder.
Georgie 18:29
Is it? I think yours is even worse?
Geoff 18:31
I mean—
Georgie 18:32
Maybe not.
Geoff 18:33
I mean, yeah, I would—
Yeah, the further—
Georgie 18:34
Maybe because you, you share it with the commercial? Like, is it in the, was it behind it another door? Because our old place was like you had to go past a door to get to residential, something like—
Or is it separate?
Geoff 18:38
...down you go, you have to you have to go through gate, like two different gates to get all the way down to like, like private parking. But no, I think it kind of makes it better. Because if you’re driving down and you see apartment numbers, I would I would assume that they’d be in order. So if I got to apartment, 203, 201, and then I saw 202, and then I’d expect 203. But if it’s 201, 202, and then like 305, and then like—
Georgie 19:24
Yeah.
Geoff 19:25
That’s ridiculous.
Georgie 19:26
It’s like that. It was like this in my old place. I don’t know. I don’t know what the deal is, but it’s just made. Maybe it’s so that you can have better access to the elevator that is closest to your apartment. I have no idea. I think maybe because it’s a multi complex like there’s multiple buildings.
Geoff 19:41
Yeah.
Georgie 19:42
So like one 0—I shouldn’t say 1 because I think if you’re on level 1—oh it doesn’t matter. But let’s say you’re like 503 I think there’s like 503 is in a different building to like 520—
Geoff 19:55
No way, OK.
Georgie 19:56
Because there’s only like 10 like 10 units in one like part of the complex anyway—
Geoff 20:01
Oh that’s really confusing—
Georgie 20:02
What I was gonna, I was gonna say is like so the neighbouring car in the in the our parking, parking space was in a completely different unit but who cares. It, that car was there for months.
Geoff 20:18
Yeah.
Georgie 20:19
It was never moved. And there was a lot of stuff in the car like I think there was a television and some big blankets and things and was just very dirty. Yeah, and not not long after we, maybe a few months after we moved in, there was a notice a paper notice put on the windshield of the car that said, this is parked here, or not illegally. But this is prohibited to be parked here, this parking space is for a different car. And then the car was moved on to the street. Don’t, don’t know who moved it. But the same car was I think emptied of the stuff. And then it was left on the street.
Geoff 20:55
I thought about that actually.
Georgie 20:58
And—
Geoff 20:58
Like—
Georgie 20:58
About what? Abandoning a car—
Geoff 21:00
A car has been abandoned inside a parking lot. And they had to tow it out. Like, I’m pretty sure tow machines are too tall for our parking lot. So I’m wondering like, how do they drag this car all the way up?
Georgie 21:14
Yeah.
Geoff 21:14
Because it’s tight turns all the way up.
Georgie 21:19
And they have to access the building, as well.
Geoff 21:22
Oh you can tailgate people.
Georgie 21:24
So—
Geoff 21:24
I don’t think that’s a problem.
Georgie 21:26
But why would a tow truck do that? Anyway, this car ended up on the street, maybe the person who owned it just bloody moved it. Because I was curious little shit, I went and looked up the license plate number, because you can you can look up license plate numbers to see what car they they belong to, I think and you can see when the registration expires. So I saw that the date for this particular one was, had just passed. So I was like, oh, maybe they just couldn’t afford to—who knows. But it was like it would be illegal to drive. So it was it was on the street and out on the street where our apartment building is. It’s four hours parking, during the day, I think it might be an, might be 8am to 8pm.
Geoff 22:11
Is it is the idea that you can only park your car for four hours and you have to and then you have to move it.
Georgie 22:17
Yeah, so I literally saw a ranger.
Geoff 22:20
You have to move it?
Georgie 22:21
Yeah, cuz I literally saw a ranger the other day. I think checking cars to make sure they haven’t been there past the four hour mark—
Geoff 22:28
Four hours is a long time though.
Georgie 22:30
It is and I think it might be because some people in our apartment building don’t have dedicated—
Geoff 22:37
Yeah.
Georgie 22:37
Car spaces. And that means they can also they can park on the street overnight without attracting a fine. Because the, after 8pm you’re, you’re good.
You just have to move it and maybe yeah, but they, just, and it’s quite interesting, because I’ve noticed that during the day, that the split, there’s lots of spaces on the street, but at night, it’s completely full because probably people go to work and stuff. So this, this abandoned car was outside on the street for a very long time. And then it got a notice on there from like the council saying, this is abandoned, and so on and so on. And I think a couple of times, we actually saw a tow truck pull up and wait. So it was parked behind—between between like every like two or so parking spots. There’s like a tree or like some kind of median, what do you call it like the concrete strip. So there’s like, it’s not all cars in a row. There’s a bit of separation between some of them. And it was parked behind one of those. But then there was a car behind that. And I think the tow truck was probably waiting for the person behind, to, because it couldn’t pull it, they couldn’t like tow the car from the front. So they would have to pull it from behind. And they had to wait for the whoever was car was parked behind to like leave and sometimes, I dunno, just never showed up. But then one day it was like gone. So eventually it went away. And I’m pretty sure it’s been a frickin year, or, it was a year before it was actually removed.
Geoff 22:48
Oh true.
Well, there’s a there’s a, so I live near a park, there’s a park close by and there’s, I take, I take walks there sometimes. And there’s this like, homeless person’s car parked there all the time. A whole bunch of crap inside of it. And one time the—
Georgie 24:26
Do they live in the car?
Geoff 24:27
Yeah, yeah, the cop cops came around to I guess remove them, because you’re obviously not to just squat. I guess they call it, squat there. And I was like, oh, finally. Getting rid of the squatter. And then they were back the next day. Was just like, there’s no point.
Georgie 24:50
So they disappeared and came back.
Geoff 24:52
Yeah, yeah, there was cops like talking to them and then like, I guess they’re saying you have to move it. But what if they’d never put fuel in the car because obviously, they probably haven’t got enough money to put fuel in the car. So, the that was that was quite interesting because I think it had been a full like, yeah, six nine, like year or something like that where they they just hung out there. But yeah. What was that thing that I was going to talk about. Oh, yeah. So I started watching Severance. This is has nothing to do with the car thing but start watching Severance.
Georgie 25:33
Haven’t heard of it.
Geoff 25:34
So it deal, it deals with the idea that you can separate your work memories from your living like your, your outside of work memories. So—
Georgie 25:47
Seriously.
Geoff 25:48
So the idea here is that they put an implant in your brain that basically when you walk into work, your you forget everything about outside, and you and you can you access like this part of your brain that is dedicated to work, you basically have a new personality.
Georgie 26:10
Okay, I have a question.
Geoff 26:11
Yeah.
Georgie 26:12
Hypothetically. So what happens once you you leave your workplace, and then you get money in your bank account?
Geoff 26:25
Well—
Georgie 26:25
Do you know where that came from?
Geoff 26:27
You know you work there. You know, you work that you just don’t know what you do. At, in, in, in the work.
Georgie 26:36
This, this is so fucked. I’m already like going, no, if this was real. I would be so upset. I feel like.
Geoff 26:42
But don’t you think?
Georgie 26:44
I don’t know.
Geoff 26:44
Some people? I mean, I guess it plays on that idea that it’s difficult to leave work at work, right? Like—
Georgie 26:56
Yeah but this is super extreme. I’m not getting some microchip BS in my brain to like, do—
Geoff 27:01
You don’t have a choice. You don’t have a choice.
Georgie 27:04
Well, I’m not gonna be in this in this universe that you just told me about? I don’t want to be there.
Geoff 27:10
And, and—
Georgie 27:11
I don’t know. Let us discuss it, let’s discuss it for a little bit.
Geoff 27:14
To be fair this is for a specific company. So let’s say you work for Apple. Like this is like you work for Apple and you work in a division of Apple where you have, there’s too many secrets. There’s just too many secrets and you can’t possibly not leak it. So you signed this contract.
Georgie 27:30
So like, similar to working in like area 51 or something?
Geoff 27:34
Yeah. So even if someone were to interrogate you, there’s just no way they would get anything out of you. Because I mean, they could try and figure out how to reverse engineer the chip. But that’s basically like the plot.
Georgie 27:48
So if you know you work at this place—
Geoff 27:51
Yeah.
Georgie 27:52
That means that’s information you can give to somebody else so other people can know that you do work for a place but they might not, that you can’t give them anything else.
Geoff 28:01
Yeah, you can even tell them you agreed to the procedure, you know that you have done the procedure itself.
Georgie 28:12
So you have knowledge of that, but—
Geoff 28:14
Yes.
Georgie 28:15
You just can’t acc—so you outside of work you just there is no way you can access—
Geoff 28:21
Yeah, so if I asked you, what was a problem yesterday at work and you’re just like, I have no idea you just don’t know. You don’t know what you do.
Georgie 28:28
The so so the only way would be to literally go to work.
Geoff 28:33
Yes.
Georgie 28:35
So I could go to work. I could go to work outside of working hours—is that allowed?
Geoff 28:43
No. It’s like—
Georgie 28:45
No, so it won’t activate? Is that like?
Geoff 28:48
It’s like if you if you don’t go past I think a certain threshold, I’m assuming there’s some kind of technology for this like you go past a certain threshold, and you you all sudden switch over but the idea is like even if you went if you tried to go to work you’d like you went to a reception and you’re outside of hours they won’t let you into...
Georgie 29:08
Oh okay, yeah.
Geoff 29:08
You go to work—
Georgie 29:16
Yeah, exactly. You just shut off your life so you won’t even know anyway
Geoff 29:21
Exactly. It’s an—
Georgie 29:22
Nah this is so messed up. How is this possible?
Geoff 29:25
How I described is basically a blank right, so you when you exit work, it’s almost as if you only remembered going to work like going through those doors is the last thing you remember when you leave the doors, so you don’t even—
Georgie 29:40
No, that, that makes sense.
Geoff 29:41
Yeah. It’s kind of—
Georgie 29:43
Ah no wait, hang on. How will you know like—
Geoff 29:47
How will you know what time has passed?
Georgie 29:49
No, this is so, wr—no, you realise this a little bit, wrong, right?
Geoff 29:56
Yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 29:56
Like as in, as—
Geoff 29:57
Morally, ethically, everything.
Georgie 29:59
If, if you walk into work and something happens—
Geoff 30:03
Yeah.
Georgie 30:04
Like, what if it’s bad? What if someone like assaults you?
Geoff 30:07
Yeah.
Georgie 30:08
And then you leave.
Geoff 30:10
Uh huh.
Georgie 30:10
You go home? You don’t know anything that’s happened.
Geoff 30:13
Yeah.
Georgie 30:15
Like—
Geoff 30:15
I mean not to spoil.
Georgie 30:16
So does that mean—
Geoff 30:17
This is the first episode and so I’m safe in saying this, but something does happen to this guy during work. And basically, the company explains it away. They don’t they don’t tell you what actually happened. But they they basically give you a note telling you telling you what, how—
Georgie 30:33
Oh—
Geoff 30:33
Like, what, a reason for this to have happened to you.
Georgie 30:37
But this is so like, could that be made up?
Geoff 30:40
Yeah, they make it, they make it up. They don’t tell you what actually happened, happen.
Georgie 30:45
So so it might be something like hey, Geoff, whatever. Mister Chong—
Geoff 30:50
You hit your head on a filing cabinet.
Georgie 30:52
Yeah, you might, you might notice that you have a blue eye?
Geoff 30:57
Yep. Yep.
Georgie 30:58
This is because so and so. But then—
Geoff 31:02
They don’t even tell you—
Georgie 31:03
The only assumption—
Geoff 31:04
They’ll just say—
Georgie 31:05
Yeah. Yeah, or the filing cabinet thing. But then if they say a filing cabinet, then you could maybe infer what kind of work you do.
Geoff 31:17
I suppose from filing.
Georgie 31:18
Yeah, it’s like, oh, I’m definitely not working on a construction site.
Geoff 31:23
Oh. Yeah. Yeah true.
Georgie 31:24
But then what if you did work on a construction site and you got somehow injured there, and you walk out? And you’re like, why do I have a cast on my leg? Like what happened? I don’t know.
Geoff 31:31
I think you would know if—
Georgie 31:32
Oh what happens if there is an accident at work.
Geoff 31:34
Maybe you do construction? Well, the thing is, like this guy, he kind of knows, he knows that he’s some kind of data, data. Like computer desk kind of job. He just doesn’t know the details of what he has done. Like, because he does apply for the job. And he does get told—
Georgie 31:57
So what if... Yeah, but what if you do something? What if you do something wrong at work then you won’t know when you’ve done? What if you’re the person who assaulted somebody?
Geoff 32:07
Yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 32:09
And then the police come to your house that evening. And you’re like, huh, what’s going on?
Geoff 32:13
No, everything’s hush hush.
Georgie 32:14
But then do the police know? It’s like the police can’t know. Right? Yeah.
Geoff 32:18
Yeah they wouldn’t report activities. They just handle it internally.
Georgie 32:24
I was just thinking like, I don’t know, I think I think about like, my work and how I’m friends with some people at work, right?
Geoff 32:33
Yeah.
Georgie 32:33
I’m like, What do you mean? I just I just don’t even know these people?
Geoff 32:37
Exactly.
Georgie 32:37
What? Oh, what if, I know you said you only watched one episode, whatever, I’m just entertaining this though. What if you just meet someone outside of outside of work? Like just whatever at the Crowbar? Or whatever. And then you you know, everyone knows that they work for the company, that company they just don’t know what happens. But if you meet someone who works at the company?
Geoff 32:58
That would be really interesting. Because I guess well, first of all, you’re complete strangers to each other. But I guess if friends of yours and friends of theirs are in the same vicinity, and they’re like, oh, hey, you work for this company and you work for this company? Do you know each other? They’re like, I’ve never met this person in my life and then you just move on? Right? That’s like they’re like strangers. It’s a big company. Perhaps. But yeah.
Georgie 33:24
But you can be friends with someone. What if—
Geoff 33:27
What if you become friends with them outside and inside work and then you got it? Nailed it. Same life?
Georgie 33:33
Yeah. I guess so. But then it just feels like they’d be holes in like your friendship or something.
Geoff 33:40
Well, but in any case, they wouldn’t know. They wouldn’t know themselves inside the company. They would only know themselves outside the company. And then there would be completely different—
Georgie 33:52
Is this a—
Geoff 33:53
...personality inside too. Yeah it’s a bit weird.
Georgie 33:56
Is this a drama? A drama like the genre is—
Geoff 33:59
I don’t know if it’s a genre, genre’s called drama. Let’s see Severance. I got I got this recommended—
Georgie 34:04
I—
Geoff 34:04
Woah, where did my mouse go? There it is.
Georgie 34:07
I think it would be funny is a comedy.
Geoff 34:11
Haha, as a comedy?
Georgie 34:11
Let’s, let’s say yeah, let’s say you and I meet somewhere—
Geoff 34:16
Ben Stiller—
Georgie 34:16
And then we also work for the same, we also work for the same company and we end up having the exact same conversations at work as we do at the bar that we’d meet at but we have no fucking clue.
Geoff 34:29
Um, from from what I gather you’re almost a different—
Georgie 34:34
How does, how does ment, okay that’s what I was gonna say how does like development like, you know, mental character development work?
Geoff 34:43
Yeah, you’re basically two different people.
Georgie 34:44
It’s too weird.
Geoff 34:47
Yeah, there’s a, there’s... Oh, actually. I didn’t know Ben Stiller was a director for this, Adam Scott.
Georgie 35:00
So when you go to work for a second day you do remember what happens on the first day?
Geoff 35:03
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 35:05
Yeah OK.
Geoff 35:05
You do. That would be really weird. That’d be like working with ChatGPT I guess. ChatGPT has no idea what happened the previous day. What, you asked me all these questions yesterday?
Georgie 35:15
I love that two star review. “I caught a glimpse of”...
Geoff 35:19
Yeah.
Georgie 35:20
Spoilers ahead. “Severance is a show that’s far more—” you know, “far more concerned with appearing mysterious and important on the surface than it is with delivering”.
Geoff 35:29
I don’t wanna read it, stop reading, spoilers, spoilers.
Georgie 35:31
Nah, you know me, I read the, I read the Wikipedia—
Geoff 35:34
Spoilers!
Georgie 35:34
...plot summary all the time.
Geoff 35:38
Oh yeah, I mentioned weekend cuz it’s on this—
Georgie 35:41
The Weeknd.
Geoff 35:41
Yeah. The Weeknd. Did you know he’s in a in a movie? He—
Georgie 35:46
Oh, is he? What movie?
Geoff 35:48
It’s not released. Apparently they just shared like, a first episode or, like the movie at Sundance or something like that.
Georgie 35:55
Has he got a main role?
Geoff 35:57
Yeah, yeah. And it’s with Lily Rose Depp. Johnny Depp’s daughter.
Georgie 36:03
Okay. Yeah.
Geoff 36:04
And apparently it was just horrifically pornographic.
Georgie 36:08
(gasp) Oh, really?
Geoff 36:10
Yeah, apparently, all the critics were like—
Georgie 36:12
That’s surprising.
Geoff 36:13
They’re like, there’s just no there’s no point to this movie other than other than, and apparently it’s not even like, I mean, porn porn. And then there’s and then they were saying it’s, like stressedm it’s not like it’s not like they’re enjoying themselves or something like that. That’s like the reviews of it. And it was just hard, apparently really hard to watch. And I’m like Jesus, The Weeknd? This, this musician?
Georgie 36:40
Yeah.
Geoff 36:41
In a weird-ass movie? I think it’s called—
Georgie 36:44
So the critics were just—
Geoff 36:46
It’s not, is it The Idol? Yeah, it’s called The Idol. Oh, so it’s a TV, series they did the first episode. “After a nervous breakdown derailed Jocelyn’s last tour, she’s determined to claim her rightful status as the greatest and sexiest pop star in America. Her passions are reignited by Tedro, a nightclub impresario”. The hell’s an impresario? “With a sordid past. Will their her romantic awakening, take her to glorious new heights, or the deepest darkest depths of her soul?” Let’s look at a review.
Georgie 37:27
That’s so strange.
Geoff 37:28
Yeah.
Georgie 37:29
So they were saying was like just basically X rated? Basically porn? Basically porn but bad? So they said the acting was not acting, but they’re saying it didn’t look like believable? Is that Is that what you, is that what you mean?
Geoff 37:45
“Every bit as florid and sleazy as the industry it seeks to satirise, The Idol places itself on a pedestal, unbridled...” Yeah, I think like the main commentary was like, it was almost like watching someone get raped, I guess is the—
Georgie 38:02
Oh god no.
Geoff 38:02
Yeah. Stop trying, yeah. Twisted. Yeah, so it’s like, holy crap, like The Weeknd.
Georgie 38:17
So weird.
Geoff 38:18
It’s very weird. Like, we all know Taylor Swift is not the best actress and she’s always in some some cameo somewhere.
Georgie 38:27
I thought you were gonna say she’s in some drama, because like, you know how I was telling you I went to The 1975 concert. So she’s rumoured to be dating the lead singer of The 1975. And apparently it’s caused a bunch of drama because he is not, his name is Matt Healy.
Geoff 38:44
Yeah right.
Georgie 38:44
He’s not known to be the nicest person like he’s said some racist, he’s made some racist comments and misogynistic comments and Taylor Swift, Swift fans.
Geoff 38:56
Oh, yeah. I’ve heard about this. Like—
Georgie 38:59
Love Taylor Swift but they had just, I just this is not good.
Geoff 39:03
Did you do someone wrote an open letter to Taylor Swift about her choice in dating this guy?
Georgie 39:10
Literally? Like specifically about Matt Healy.
Geoff 39:12
Specifically, letter to Taylor Swift. I’m not even like, here you go. Taylor Swift fans write an open letter on her relationship with Matt Healy.
Georgie 39:24
The thing is, neither of them have confirmed that they are seeing each other.
Geoff 39:28
Yeah. See, this is why.
Georgie 39:29
They’ve just been seen together.
Geoff 39:31
Something that popped into my head the other day while scrolling through Instagram was how crazy it is that there, there are dedicated accounts to essentially stalking celebrities. Like it’s just photos.
Georgie 39:44
This is not new though.
Geoff 39:45
I know, it’s not new. But I’m like it just dawned on me like how weird is it? How weird is it that people spend, dedicate a portion of their life to stalking someone else and that is just perfectly fine. Is just perfectly fine. that you could have—
Georgie 40:01
Like, it seems fine because they’re famous like, if you did this to any, like ordinary, maybe you’d be, yeah, the account would be reported and whatnot.
Geoff 40:11
And it just it just perplexes me as—
Georgie 40:14
Fandom gone wrong.
Geoff 40:15
Yeah, it perplexes me as to why it’s norm, like why it’s fine to do that for celebrities but not fine to do that to like, very like other people that are not celebrities.
Georgie 40:27
So a friend of mine brought up the fact that some celebrities, but also influencers, post photos of their children as they’re growing up. And she had a problem with this because privacy and the fact that people could have access to photos of you when you’re younger and do harm with those like, you know, identity theft, things like that. I’m not judging people who post videos and photos of their family and stuff, but I feel like there’s probably a limit to that before it could be risky or dangerous or whatever.
Geoff 41:05
Yeah, I guess like there are still there are stalkers. There are, there are, there are actual stalkers who are physically following celebrities and they get they get removed. But it just seemed it seemed really strange to me that this like hundreds of thousands of accounts just just there, documenting every step that celebrities take. It seems weird. And that was it. That was a thing that popped into my head. Celebrity cult fandom is very strange.
Georgie 41:43
It’s intense.
Geoff 41:43
It is. Especially an open letter to Taylor Swift.
Georgie 41:48
Is she going to read it?
Geoff 41:51
Yeah, exactly.
Georgie 41:51
Is the question.
Geoff 41:53
I like, it just also it’s crazy that someone actually felt the need and the and the and felt like they had the right to to publish something like this. Here’s, here’s an excerpt. I guess this starts with “Dear Taylor. As concerned fans, we are writing to express our disappointment regarding recent events. You’ve been recently seen with and have welcomed to your stage Matty Healy, the frontman of the 19—” but you paid to see this guy, perform.
Georgie 42:27
The band. And see, it’s like, a it’s a troubled thing. Right. So yeah, some examples I have are, you know, when people celebrities are under fire for like, sexual assault, or—
Geoff 42:43
Yeah.
Georgie 42:44
Yeah, like, you know, allegations of like sexual assault. Sorry, should probably say, allegations.
Geoff 42:51
Neither confirm nor deny.
Georgie 42:52
You... It’s, okay, so one, one band, I’ve maybe I’ve mentioned this on the pod before, but there was a band called lostprophets, P, R, O, P, H, E, T, S. Because somebody once thought I was saying profit as in profits and gains, money and stuff.
Geoff 43:10
Haha profits.
Georgie 43:10
And the lead—yeah, no, it was funny, because I had to clarify, I was like, oh, it’s kind of kind of clever. Anyway.
Geoff 43:16
That‘s a good pun.
Georgie 43:17
Maybe... Yeah.
Geoff 43:18
Yeah.
Georgie 43:18
Anyway, I don’t listen to them anymore, because the lead singer of that band, was accused of and put in jail for molesting and raping children, essentially.
Geoff 43:33
Right, right.
Georgie 43:34
And some people, like, it’s that whole, like, separate the art from the artist thing, which I’m sure you’ve heard a lot of this kind of commentary before. And I fully understand like, I fully get that Matt Healy is not the nicest person. And apparently, he’s been vocal about trying to be a better person, which is fair enough. It’s really complex, because I’m also like, putting my like, opinion of some sort out there. But there are some things that can change about people and some that can’t, and I think it’s to each individual’s like, discretion as to whether they are going to—like the other thing is like, JK Rowling is another.
Geoff 44:16
Yeah, JK Rowling.
Georgie 44:17
Controversial. Yeah.
Geoff 44:19
Yeah. Hones, honestly. So I started playing Hogwarts Legacy. And there was just so much animosity on the internet about the game and about JK Rowling. And I am the type of person who separates everything from the person that made the thing from that is that is that like, the you could you could say, are you going to, you know, get rid of your Tesla because, well, Elon Musk’s a quote unquote, bad person. Just because they’re ruining Twitter. I’m like, no, because I mean, who cares if you’ve ruined Twitter, it’s just Twitter. But People care about that. And that the thing is, it’s like a loud majority on the internet. A loud minority on the internet, no one in the world. Like you could see the rising sales of Hogwarts Legacy goes through the roof. And you know what people probably wouldn’t have known about Hogwarts Legacy if it hadn’t been for all the all the neg, the negative press or whatever. But—
Georgie 45:23
I guess so. But I heard I heard an opinion—or not an opinion. But someone I think it was that headonfire pod guy that I shared before he, he was talking about this, this thing and saying that some, some people feel very passionately. Like, they feel offended when someone says shit about JK Rowling. And they’re like, “oh but she created this world that I feel like I can identify with” and so on. And they get offended when someone says something about JK Rowling. And he said, think about some of the comments that she’s made the the transphobic comments that she’s made, and how they affect trans people. And he said, why are you upset that someone is sort of like putting down the person who created this stuff? When there are people out there being hurt by what they said?
Geoff 46:21
Yeah.
Georgie 46:22
It’s something along those lines.
Geoff 46:24
Yeah, I definitely don’t want to be defending anything that JK Rowling says.
Georgie 46:30
I think he also was saying how much money she gets, right. Like and how she continues to profit.
Geoff 46:35
Yeah, the profit.
Georgie 46:36
And it’s... Yeah.
Geoff 46:38
Yeah, that’s a bit like a deep. I’ve read many, many threads about it. And the, the thing is, it’s really up to you. And I don’t think we’re anyone should be judging other people for choices they make, because everyone has different kinds of lines of separation. I almost didn’t want to tell people I was playing the, like, Hogwarts Legacy, just in case, just in case that they were like someone on a different line. But in the end, it just doesn’t, it didn’t matter. Because like no one reads, like not the majority reads this stuff. But having said that—
Georgie 47:16
I think it’s not it’s not absolute, right? Like someone shouldn’t just automatically assume that you support JK Rowling or that you agree with what she says just because you play a game that is based on a thing that she, like a world she created, we should always be having like discussions about these things before like shooting someone down because you think that they think something I guess.
Geoff 47:39
Well, the thing is, the other the other train of thought was essentially, there’s no way like you can avoid being monetarily associated with a bad person. Like there’s an infinite amount of people that are involved for the infinite amount of things that you consume, that you’re not fully aware of, that, that make them a bad person. So are you just going to cut yourself off from like the entirety of the world. Because everything you consume leads up to some bad person?
Georgie 48:20
Like, what if the internet—
Geoff 48:22
Was made by a Nazi?
Georgie 48:24
Tim? Hmm.
Geoff 48:27
But yeah.
Georgie 48:28
We’re all done for.
Geoff 48:30
Well, that’s the thing. People are like, well, then if like, you should do the best you can with the knowledge you have. And I’m like, yeah...?
Georgie 48:39
Yeah, I do agree with that.
Geoff 48:40
Yeah, you should. But yeah, I don’t know. Buying something from someone doesn’t mean you believe in what they say or do.
Georgie 48:50
Yeah, at the same time, I completely understand if that is the way people choose to—
Geoff 48:54
Yes, yeah. That says—
Georgie 48:55
Take a stance. Yeah. Like, yeah.
Geoff 48:57
If that’s the way.
Georgie 48:58
Boycott or whatever.
Geoff 48:58
If that’s the way you want to draw the line. Then it’s perfectly fine. Just don’t berate other people for drawing different lines. But the... yeah, so the crazy thing is like, it really didn’t matter. Right? All the stuff you read online, like no, no, no one cares. And move on with your life. Sometimes. Speaking of moving on with our lives (laughs) we’re at the episode.
Georgie 49:26
Let’s, let’s move on.
Geoff 49:29
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Georgie 49:38
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Geoff 49:55
Yeah. And new episodes every Monday, so see you next week.
Georgie 50:01
See you next week.
Geoff 50:01
Bye.
Georgie 50:02
Bye.