We attempt to walk through our podcasting process before we drift off into dreamland and through to tech talk.
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We attempt to walk through our podcasting process before we drift off into dreamland and through to tech talk.
In short, our podcasts are recorded remotely, and we talk and screenshare over Zoom (previously Discord). We publish with Simplecast. Geoff records on a microphone, Georgie records on her iPhone using Voice Memos. Geoff puts the audio clips together in Audacity (the audacity!), and we use Otter to transcribe our episodes, which are later refined by Georgie. Simplecast also helps us create audio clip snippets to share on social media.
Things we discussed:
Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Georgie 0:07
Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host, Georgie and I’m here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:16
Hello.
Georgie 0:17
What is happening Geoff?
Geoff 0:21
Enjoying my day.
Georgie 0:24
I can actually see your screen like...
Geoff 0:30
See my screen?
Georgie 0:30
Actually, I can see your screen.
Geoff 0:32
Oh right.
Georgie 0:33
Not like a crappy pixelated thing because we kind of changed things up a little bit.
Geoff 0:38
Yeah.
Georgie 0:38
And I’m also like, I have a really good camera now because I just got the—
Geoff 0:44
Oh yeah, your camera’s like, is that like 1080p or something crazy?
Georgie 0:49
I don’t know, but I look really good, right?
Geoff 0:54
Low key. Well, I can’t frickin—because I’m sharing screen you’re a tiny little window, but I’m sure I’m sure it’s worth every penny.
Georgie 1:02
Yeah, I can like literally see your screen as if it’s like on my screen. And not like like some weird pixelated thing.
Geoff 1:10
You’re gonna attribute that to the new camera, oh new, new laptop, or you gonna attribute Zoom.
Georgie 1:16
It’s zoom. It’s bloody Zoom. Zoom is I think, better for this collaboration. Actually, a funny thing is, I’ll often talk to people, that I haven’t, I haven’t seen you in a while, like in person. And they’re like, “but you do a podcast with Geoff”. And I’m like, yeah, but it’s remote. And they’re like, surprised.
Geoff 1:35
What? Yeah, so—
Georgie 1:37
Yeah.
Geoff 1:38
For anyone who doesn’t know like our podcast, we can do a little bit about our podcast setup.
Georgie 1:42
Yeah, but not too much. Or we’ll sound like nerds.
Geoff 1:46
Yeah, sound like nerds. So Georgie, famously, is on is recording on her iPhone, I believe.
Georgie 1:55
Yeah.
Geoff 1:57
I went out and bought a microphone. And I’m not sure sure why. But I always need to... I know why I like to buy—and I’ve told people, a couple people this in the past—I like to buy the most reasonably best thing like I can buy. So that it is not either rendered obsolete immediately, or, or bad quality. So the best quality at a reasonable price. That sounds really hard to decipher. But really, it’s like, pick a thing that you want to get, or I want to get, I pick a thing I want to get. And I look at the most expensive thing out there. Right? And I go, Well, what does that expensive thing do? And it does 90% of the things I don’t need it to do, then I just make my way down until I find the most reasonable thing for the thing I needed to do at a reasonable price.
Georgie 2:59
Yeah, I actually I’ve heard someone say this, but actually, in not, not the context of like tech or like functional, specifically functional things. I’ve heard someone say it in the context of like, good quality clothing, like buy the highest, like the most expensive but good quality that you can afford, right? Because—
Geoff 3:21
Yeah.
Georgie 3:22
Not everybody will be able to afford the latest iPhone, for example.
Geoff 3:25
Yeah, that you can afford is actually quite key.
Georgie 3:30
Yeah. But yeah, not like me who kept a bloody 2015 MacBook for for seven years. But in my defense, every new MacBook that was coming out in the past few years, was for me, personally, too, like more than I was willing to spend. And also, the features were not features I found to be important. So I was waiting for them to sort of, you know, upgrade something else, such as the Air that I have now to something that I felt was a more reasonable amount that I wanted to pay.
Geoff 4:05
Yeah, exactly. It’s kind of like you don’t want to be taken to the cleaners. But at least the thing that you did spend a little bit more money on is something that you actually really like about the thing that you’re buying. Like, I built the built the new computer, and I was telling my brother in law that I built a new computer. And I said, Oh yeah, by the way, parts in the last I don’t know a couple years has been really hard to come by and therefore they become really expensive. So he asked me how much I spent on the graphics card. And I told him, and he goes, so what do you play? And I told them, you know, very kind of casual games. We’re not talking anything insane. I don’t know if anyone knows, like Elden Ring or the high high graphics kind of intensive things. And he was like, I don’t, I don’t know any of these, none of the things you mentioned require that graphics card that you bought. And I was like, true, but it’s supposed to last. So for the next five, six years, it should be able to play or do anything that I throw at it, within reason. So that’s kind of like why I put money into it. Plus, if I sell it at some stage, which is kind of what I’m doing, I think I briefly mentioned in the last episode, yeah, I’m like, I want to get a new microphone arm. So I selling the current one that I don’t want it to be, you know, something that someone wouldn’t buy from me as well, like that, that kind of stance, but you shouldn’t really buy things to sell. Like, the idea is that you can for as long as you possibly can like the seven year old laptop, Georgie had.
Georgie 6:00
Yeah, actually wait, so you haven’t bought a new arm yet?
Geoff 6:05
No...
Georgie 6:06
The microphone arm, no?
Geoff 6:07
I try to sell things before I buy the new thing.
Georgie 6:09
Oh, this is an interesting prospect. Because imagine if I sold my laptop before I bought a new one, wouldn’t be able to fucking record a podcast.
Geoff 6:19
Yeah, like I’m stuck on my crummy tripod now, because I took down the monitor. Actually, I put it back up to take a photo of it because the person wanted a photo. And yeah, but in the end, they agreed to come and get it without a photo. And I’m like, okay, sure. So I put it back up. I set it up and everything. And then they were like, I’m gonna come and get it. I’m like, okay, I guess I didn’t need to take a photo of it anymore. And actually, one of my colleagues was like, they don’t like selling anything, so they just give away their shit to their friends.
Georgie 6:57
Dude I feel the same sometimes, depending what the item is. Sometimes I’m like, there’s too much trouble involved, and effort I guess, to sell things sometimes. And the money you might get is not, like you don’t really care too much. It might not be that much.
Geoff 7:14
Not worth the time.
Georgie 7:14
Rather just—yes. So like the time is money thing, so you’d rather just give it away, also I feel pretty good giving stuff away to people, especially when they like really want it. So like one of my friends recently, like before I moved like a few months ago, I had way too many like teapots, and I gave her like my extra teapots just like for free because I was like just, just take it I just don’t want it.
Geoff 7:35
Sorry everyone, privilege warning, privilege warning. PWs!
Georgie 7:41
Too many teapots!
Geoff 7:42
Content, content privilege warning.
Georgie 7:48
Yeah, so anyway, back to the, yeah, I record on my iPhone, with the Voice Memos. Don’t laugh at me. I know. I’ve told this to some people in person. They’re quite surprised. They’re like, What do you mean? What are about the?
Geoff 8:01
Yeah.
Georgie 8:02
What about the background noise? Ehhh?
Geoff 8:05
Yeah, the thing is, like, just it’s a hobby podcast. And as long as you kind of just go in the mindset that you’re creating something that probably nobody will listen to. Arguably, we’re almost at 1000 downloads. So, I don’t know who the hell’s been listening to this podcast.
Georgie 8:22
For anyone who is listening to this, though, like, hello, thank you.
Geoff 8:25
Thank you. Get us some sponsors. I mean, don’t worry about us. We’re okay. And, and like it’s not that high of a barrier. Just pop some voice memos. There is a new application by Spotify called Anchor, which—
Georgie 8:44
Wait is it actually new, because you told me about it?
Geoff 8:47
I don’t know if it’s actually new.
Georgie 8:48
Yeah. You found out about it recently.
Geoff 8:51
I did. I did. Someone said they launched their podcast and they got super popular on Twitter somehow. I don’t know what their topic is. But they said, oh, you, like, I’m “Look Ma. Look, Mum. I’m famous. I’m on Apple Podcasts, Google podcasts, Anchor FM”, I’m like, ooh, Anchor FM. I haven’t heard of that. Yeah, it turns out Spotify’s all in one podcast editing and recorded recording software. So that’s free. Just. Yeah. Put your phone and this this Spot, this Spotify app together and here you got, you got a podcast.
Georgie 9:26
I’m just a bit skeptical about because I haven’t looked into it. I’m like, I like is there anything?
Geoff 9:32
Yeah.
Georgie 9:32
That we won’t be able to—oh, that’s the thing. I was gonna ask transcripts.
Geoff 9:36
Yeah.
Georgie 9:36
Do they do that?
Geoff 9:37
Exactly. So the next level is of course distribution. I have a second podcast, which I will not name, nah, just joking.
Georgie 9:49
Haha, you named it before!
Geoff 9:51
I have. Called TAG Time. And, really, my friend Taiyo went out and found this distribution site called Simplecast, which you may or may not have come across if you follow us on Twitter and yeah, just upload and press the publish button, easy. And transcripts. That’s us. You should—
Georgie 10:16
They do, they do recasts yeah, there’s like this UI where you can sort of pick an audio clip and then export it. And that’s what we usually post on on Instagram when, when we slash I can be bothered, or, find a juicy clip, audio clip to—
Geoff 10:35
Yeah, like Dick nuts.
Georgie 10:39
I didn’t actually. Two episodes ago.
Geoff 10:44
Two episodes ago. Doughnuts, doughnuts. No dick and nuts here.
Georgie 10:48
No actual, nothing, Not Safe For Work.
Geoff 10:51
Yeah. I find that the most successful podcasts that I’ve seen are about specific topics, and that’s just not us.
Georgie 11:02
Yeah nah.
Geoff 11:04
We talked about whether or not we wanted to actually do a podcast on like our specialties, but it’s kind of like what we talk about every day. Anyways.
Georgie 11:14
Yeah.
Geoff 11:16
We don’t want to be a rant channel or anything. We are ranting.
Georgie 11:21
We are.
Geoff 11:22
We are a rant channel. We don’t want to be ranting about our jobs.
Georgie 11:25
Yeah, yeah. Also, it’s just, I think, just generally speaking, people don’t love to talk about work. Like, don’t get me wrong. I like what I do at work. But it’s still a job. And it’s still the thing that pays the bills. And so sometimes, it’s just a bit tiring to, to chat about, when there are so many other things to chat about.
Geoff 11:47
Yeah. Like the fact that your laptop’s on a different side. You know.
Georgie 11:51
I know. Okay, so the MacBook Air, the new M—one with the e—I don’t even know how to explain it. Is it an M2 chip? Is that what they?
Geoff 11:59
Yeah, it’s a MacBook Air M2. Because—
Georgie 12:04
The one that just got released.
Geoff 12:05
You have to talk about what the chip is inside the MacBook for some reason?
Georgie 12:10
Yeah, I’m just bad at like, describing tech specs.
Geoff 12:15
Alright, so it’s got an Intel 3... haha nah, has an M2 Apple chip, which is 25% faster than the M1 apple chip. And that’s—
Georgie 12:27
You know what, maybe we should just get people to watch the Apple keynotes because they do them really well. Very enthusiastic.
Geoff 12:33
Man, the transitions.
Georgie 12:36
And they have a design language to all their slides and stuff. So...
Geoff 12:40
Yeah, the transitions are really crazy, because they, they try and move you around their campus, or their their event spaces very organically. So...
Georgie 12:53
Well this is sort of since COVID, and like having to do the recording without an audience.
Geoff 12:58
Yeah. So...
Georgie 12:59
Before that, I think it was just at the same theatre, right.
Geoff 13:01
True true, I think it was at the Steve Jobs Theater.
Georgie 13:05
Think so.
Geoff 13:05
But like, imagine, like a guy is talking about one feature and they’re like, Alright, now we’re going to talk about I don’t know, security. So the cameras pans through the floors, like goes all the way down into the basement and then zooms in on a person walking through the through the space and you’re just like, they really like combine the reality of their work of the space they’re like currently presenting in and then a transition to you like physically, physically quotation marks, quote, unquote, physically to where they’re next presenting which is pretty interesting.
Georgie 13:43
Yeah, and then with, they also have Apple Fitness. Is it Apple Fitness or Fitness plus?
Geoff 13:48
Oh, god, is it Apple Fitness+?
Georgie 13:50
What is it technically?
Geoff 13:53
We don’t want to get on the bad side of Apple 10, like, or Apple X. Apple iPhone 10, iPhone X. Yeah.
Georgie 14:02
I think it’s Apple fitness plus, so they have a studio on campus where they record all of their workout videos as well. So with Apple Fitness+ there are new videos done by real personal trainers. So new workouts every week and they have a studio there that they record them in and when they do, when Apple does announcements, and there’s something related to Fitness+, they also like kind of zoom into the go into the studio and somebody’s there.
Geoff 14:33
That’s cool.
Georgie 14:35
Yeah, I’ve actually used—I assume you haven’t like ever tried using Apple Fitness+.
Geoff 14:39
No, I don’t need to be fit.
Georgie 14:43
Geoff! Why do you have a watch!
Geoff 14:45
Having said that. I was just moving some boxes, like around on the top shelf of my wardrobe today and I pulled a muscle in my in my neck to my shoulder. And I just got pa—I just hunched over and couldn’t move. I just had to lie down with a hot water bottle on my neck. Just lying there.
Georgie 15:13
Not good.
Geoff 15:13
But yeah, that was, I was like, this is a crowning moment of my age. And I guess I should just go get a massage now.
Georgie 15:23
I don’t think it’s your age. I’ve like, it’s funny because my personal trainer, always—not always—sometimes he mentions this woman who is, I think in her 70s or 80s. And she does deadlifts and she’s really strong. And I think she only started strength training when she was in her 60s or something. So there was this whole thing about how it’s, you know, not too, not too late to start, but um, I have to say with the Apple Fitness+ service, which you have to pay for every month. It came in handy during the lockdowns, but personally, I prefer the to go to the gym. And the gym has more equipment that I want to use. And I think the Apple Fitness+ stuff is, it’s, even though it’s kind of fun, if you like to exercise or want to get started, I think it’s still got a certain target audience, that’s not me.
Geoff 16:23
Yeah. The, yeah, I don’t know. It tracks all this stuff. And oh, man, my Apple Watch actually recently started locking itself periodically.
Georgie 16:35
Yeah?
Geoff 16:35
Without me taking it off, or it like moving away from my wrist?
Georgie 16:39
Does your sleeve get stuck under it sometimes? Something like that?
Geoff 16:43
Nah. But I think we have the same version. I have got the four. Have you got—
Georgie 16:47
I got the five.
Geoff 16:48
The five, right. So it started—
Georgie 16:50
Oh, and mine got replaced?
Geoff 16:52
Oh, oh?
Georgie 16:52
Yeah. Do you remember this? Like, I think I think a year and a half ago it started acting up. Like it wouldn’t charge properly, it was saying it was 100%, and I’d go out and use it and go for a walk and it’d just power down and just just the battery was flat. And then I took it to the Apple Store. And they basically just sent me a new one because something was wrong with it. But yeah, I have the, I have the series 5. Anyway, back to back to my laptop being on the opposite side. So I had, I had my previous laptop and my work laptop, which is an M1 MacBook Pro, on my left. And then to the right was the external display that I use. And I do use both I use the screen open like the screen of the laptop open. But now the MacBook Air I have, the ports only on the left side. So I have to put the display on the left side.
Geoff 17:50
Yeah, it’s ridiculous. When I was like looking at my like desk layout, I really like to have the MacBook on the right hand side. And I want the Apple symbol facing inwards. I don’t want to see the feet of my of my MacBook. But—
Georgie 18:09
Oh, wait, do you have the standing?
Geoff 18:11
I do have the standing one. Yeah.
Georgie 18:13
But isn’t the one that goes sideways?
Geoff 18:15
Sideways, upwards? The—
Georgie 18:18
Yeah, like a book?
Geoff 18:19
Like a book? Yeah, I got the book thing.
Georgie 18:20
Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 18:22
But because the ports are on the left. Like it will, it will point the feet at me, if I try plug it into a monitor. And then if I move it to the left hand side of my desk where the Apple symbol is like facing towards me, then the feet are facing out towards like, the living area. So you see the feet when you’re walking towards towards the desk. I know I’m probably the most the only pedantic one of—
Georgie 18:50
Pedantic?
Geoff 18:51
But so I’m like now I don’t even have it on my desk, like screw you. You’re gonna sit, you’re gonna sit on a different shelf away from my desk.
Georgie 19:02
Just hide.
Geoff 19:03
Yeah, I wish I could hide it. But and I bought a shelf of my on my desk to hide the fact that there’s a cable like, going towards my monitor on the left side of my MacBook. But then I got rid of the shelf because it took up too much space on my desk. And now I just have to live with it.
Georgie 19:27
Yeah, you actually, you know what, you know how a lot of tech reviewers on YouTube might talk about like cable management stuff.
Geoff 19:35
Yeah.
Georgie 19:36
I feel like it’s a... what’s the word?
Geoff 19:39
A cult?
Georgie 19:41
Not a cult? It’s a, is it a lie? Is it a? It’s a trap. I think? Is that what I mean?
Geoff 19:48
I don’t know! Just describe.
Georgie 19:51
So I think it’s impossible to have like perfect cable management. I think you’re just gonna have to accept that cable—you will always like, see some amount of cable? And—
Geoff 20:04
I don’t know if it’s impossible?
Georgie 20:05
I think a lot of solution—well, a lot of solutions are sort of semi permanent. And you know, either kind of roll up the cable—
Geoff 20:13
True.
Georgie 20:13
Or tuck it away. But then what if you need to move the desk a little bit or something? What if you need to do something a little, that kind of thing.
Geoff 20:22
I got pretty serious with the DIY stuff to do cable management, to the point where I’m attaching power strips to power boards to the bottom of my desk and stuff like that. Like the, use Command strips and things like that, Velcros, just attach everything to the bottom of the desk so that if I move my desk is literally just one cable like coming off the side. And—
Georgie 20:47
Yeah.
Geoff 20:48
I had nonpermanent, like, I just had the, there’s these clips, which just open and then close. I’m not talking about like a huge pipe or anything, right? Just open and close clips.
Georgie 20:59
Yeah.
Geoff 21:00
From the bottom all over the underside of my desk. I just I just routed the cables through them. So it’s not as permanent. But you’re right. It’s, it’s not like a simple thing to do. You really have to, like, get a bunch of this stuff and then plan it somehow so that you can remove some things or, like keep some things in place. It’s not always...
Georgie 21:21
Yeah. And then for example, like I like when when do you have the charger for the, for your laptop, for example?
Geoff 21:30
Oh. Yeah.
Georgie 21:30
I only have—not I only have one, but I haven’t unboxed the one for my new laptop. Because I have the same one for my M2—M1 work MacBook. So I’d rather use the same cable, but then when I go to the office, I have to take that out. Like unplug it and bring it with me. And so I don’t want it to be like nicely tucked away and all bloody cable managed because I’m gonna have to fucking take it out at some point.
Geoff 21:58
Yeah, cable management doesn’t sound practical? I guess, is that what you mean?
Georgie 22:03
Oh, yes. And I have a standing desk so, how to have fun with catering for the cable essentially being fucking pulled upwards as the as the desk raises which happened to me once when I tried to do a very fuckin rudimentary like cable management kind of thing. And then it just all fell apart when I moved to my standing desk to go up.
Geoff 22:28
Yeah, the, well you have two chargers, why why why wouldn’t you just keep one in your bag and keep one attached to the desk now.
Georgie 22:36
It’s sure I haven’t thought about it. Haha.
Geoff 22:38
Yeah. I feel like I think about my desk a little too much sometimes. But it’s okay. It’s my hobby.
Georgie 22:48
You have dreams about it.
Geoff 22:49
It’s my hobby. I don’t think I’ve ever had dreams about it. That’s, that’s pretty interesting. The, someone told me or I watched or read something that say that it was saying that dreams are your minds way of converting short term to long term or something like that?
Georgie 23:10
Yeah. Like your process, you’re actually processing the events of the day. Well, recent, teah. Short term stuff into...
Geoff 23:19
Yeah.
Georgie 23:20
Into long term.
Geoff 23:21
And it’s like generally things that worry you is, dreams. Dreams are the way of you trying to process stuff that worries you into like long term memory or something like that. It’s pretty interesting. Offline memory reprocessing cognitive simulation.
Georgie 23:46
I have some really weird dreams. Sometimes they’re like, like, sometimes I’ll tell Nick, “Hey, I had a weird dream”. And then I’ll describe it to him for some reason. I remember like, extremely random details.
Geoff 24:00
Yeah.
Georgie 24:01
And I remember we had a conversation about this at work about dreams and the kinds of dreams we have. And one of my co workers said, “How often are you yourself in your dream?” And then I was confused and I said to her, “I’m always in my dreams. I’m pretty much always me, I’m the persona”.
Geoff 24:23
Yeah.
Georgie 24:23
And she was surprised because she’s always someone else. And her dreams kind of pan out—I’ll try and keep this brief. Because we could go like on about this forever. But she has dreams that are more like big epics and very like sort of fantasy like, whereas my dreams tend to be about people. They’re me, and have like, and my relationships with my with my friends and family. And so a lot of the people in my dreams are people I know. And it’ll be like, sort of interactions with them. Some of them are very random and like, just weird, like we might be talking about a random topic where we’re like, doing, like, I remember one with my family and we were like, somewhere into Europe and I was trying to run through some green fields and chase them while they were on a train or something like that. And I... So mine are. I’m always myself. And I think the interesting thing is, I always remember how I’m feeling in the dream. Like, I might be upset in the dream.
Geoff 25:25
Yeah.
Georgie 25:26
But sometimes I’m always conscious of it, like you do you ever have, like, you’re about to wake up kind of thing, or you know, you’re gonna wake up, but then you become conscious you’re in the dream? Like, I have that a lot. And I’m waking up and I’m like, oh, no, I am aware that I’m sad in this dream, and I need to like resolve this.
Geoff 25:45
Oh... Yeah, I don’t I don’t think I feel I have many feelings in my dreams. But I also always myself. I’m generally sluggish in my dreams. Like, I know that I want to move forward, but I can’t quite do it. I’ll be stumbling everywhere. It’s so super annoying. Like most dreams of mine are super annoying. But yeah, I think generally, my dreams have quite strangely more about, yeah, I guess what worries, what I’m worried about at that time. And, but I had one really cool dream, you know, you know, Mario, Mario.
Georgie 26:27
Yeah.
Geoff 26:27
There’s a game called Paper Mario, where Mario is essentially a 2D paper like, person and he’s jumping through the world. And the world is all made of origami paper. And because he’s paper, he can fold himself and like, become other shapes. So in in that kind of dream, I was able to essentially fly. And I was like, oh, my god, like I had a lucid dream about being a fly on command. And and yeah, that was pretty cool. That’s like, my standout dream of all time. But yeah, generally mine are pretty realistic. Nothing super trippy.
Georgie 27:15
Yeah, yeah, I have to say mine are pretty realistic as well. This like nothing really taken from any kind of fantasy realm.
Geoff 27:23
Yeah.
Georgie 27:24
I’ve had some ones that have been really—oh, actually, I think someone asked recently. Like, has anyone else been having trippy dreams as a result of COVID? So like, I had COVID a few months back. And I think I remember having a dream where someone was being murdered. And like, I saw it, but like, the person didn’t care about—it was very odd. But I definitely, if that’s a thing, like, and you’ve got, like COVID, and you’re having weird dreams, I think it’s probably COVID.
Geoff 28:00
Yeah, interesting. COVID being a dream inducer. But man, I’ve started like cleaning out a bunch of boxes. I tend to keep the boxes of all my tech.
Georgie 28:21
Yeah.
Geoff 28:22
I think it’s norm, like usually because I’m on always on the resale, as we kin of mentioned. So I usually keep the boxes and I like to sell my things in the original boxes, I find that maybe people will value that more. But we’re running out of space for things. So I decided to like break down all the boxes. And I’m like, oh, what if I want to sell this?
Georgie 28:47
I kind of stopped doing it. Because the way I started thinking about it is how much extra would I actually get for the box being present?
Geoff 28:56
Yeah.
Georgie 28:57
Like it’s maybe not a lot but I’ve kept the bloody box for like five years or whatever. And in my space, literally quote unquote, literally paying rent for it, and like paying to have it in my possession actually unused. So I sort of started like letting go of my box, my tech boxes as well.
Geoff 29:17
Yeah, got a whole bunch of them behind me, I’m breaking them all down. But you know what, if I break down the boxes, then maybe I’ll have less of a reason to sell my shit.
Georgie 29:30
Oh, really?
Geoff 29:31
To replace it? You know?
Georgie 29:33
Why?
Geoff 29:34
I don’t know. I mean, I’d still sell it but it’s kind of like if like I said before, if you go into purchasing something, thinking that you’re just going to sell it like sell it again. Then you’re then you’re making kind of like different decisions. You’re picking something more popular maybe or a little bit more pricey that you know that you’d be able to sell again for similar pricing. I don’t keep a phone case anymore, and that’s partly because I think I’ve decided that I don’t need to keep it in mint condition. Because if it’s not a mint condition, then I’m like, oh, nevermind, I won’t try sell it.
Georgie 30:16
Interesting.
Geoff 30:17
Yeah. Yeah. So trying to buy things for keeps. And hopefully—and the thing is I buy things that last, I buy quality things to last but then I’m like selling it off. What’s the point?
Georgie 30:32
Yeah.
Geoff 30:34
I get on my family about this. They buy like, fairly, they try go really budget on the technology. And then they kind of complain two to three years later that it’s like slow as shit. And the and they can’t store any more photos or whatever. I’m like, well, I don’t know what to tell you. Because if you just spent, you know, you went to the $1,000 mark, your phones may last five, six years? Like, I don’t know what to tell you.
Georgie 31:05
Yeah, I think it’s a harder thing for people to kind of transition from going from start—from having like a budgeting kind of approach to then, quote, unquote, investing. I don’t love the word “investing”.
Geoff 31:17
Because you’ll get a return on this stuff.
Georgie 31:19
Yeah, but it’s sort of I think, like I’m spending this much now but it will last for a long time. So like with my new MacBook, I think I went to 16 gigabytes of RAM. So upped the RAM. Because I do expect to keep this for very long.
Geoff 31:33
You don’t even Chrome. What do you need all the RAM for?
Georgie 31:37
Just opening a million tabs in Safari?
Geoff 31:39
Yeah. Opening multiple Safaris of multiple.
Georgie 31:44
Yeah, but so far, this has been a good experience, because the fucking computer hasn’t done anything weird while we’re recording this. So—
Geoff 31:51
You know what?
Georgie 31:52
It’s coping really well!
Geoff 31:54
You know, what I realised? is I don’t know if it’s Zoom or Discord, but used to break out every like, break break voice, your voice used to go silent. I don’t know, break every now and then I couldn’t hear what you’re saying. But now, like this entire time, I haven’t had any issues.
Georgie 32:13
Nice. Because yeah, people were asking, oh, Nick was asking me, like, have you noticed a difference? And I’m like, I’ve just been, you know, surfing the internet. And I haven’t really noticed a difference. And I think it was Marques Brownlee, who said about maybe it was the—I can’t remember which phone he was talking about. But he said, you may not notice when you use the new device, when you go back to the old one, you’re like, “oh, that’s actually quite slow”, like you notice it that way.
Geoff 32:42
Yeah, yeah. It’s it’s almost like you, you get the new thing. And it works exactly how you expect the old thing to have worked all the all this time.
Georgie 32:56
Yeah. Like you still consciously don’t, like you don’t notice.
Geoff 32:59
Yeah. Nothing’s like super wow. But, you know, it works better. It works exactly how you use, I guess, expect something to work. I mean, you open a laptop and you open an application, you expect the application to open. Right? Not take five minutes. So it’s, I think that’s like, yeah, really correct in how, like, your mind was expecting things to work like this all along. So it doesn’t feel like it’s super amazing.
Georgie 33:30
Yeah. And so maybe this explains why, with my old laptop, I was hanging on to it for so long, because I would just open it, open up an application, use it, it was fine. Maybe at some point, it would stop becoming really slow. But it wasn’t until then that I was like, “hmm, maybe this is a problem?”
Geoff 33:49
Yeah. To be honest, anytime someone asked me like, when I when I got when I got my Tesla, everyone was like, oh, my god, is it amazing? Is it everything you ever wanted? And I was like, I don’t know, man. It’s just the car like it drives from A to B. And then you get the criticism, so why did you have to buy the Tesla if you didn’t really care about, you njow, the fact that it was a Tesla or it was electric or anything. And I was like, I will still want to get a quality car. Just because I don’t I don’t care that it has like 100 gadgets to it. Or like all this all the fancy stuff that you might think is super important in, in a car. The zero to 60 in 3.2 seconds, I, who cares how fast I can accelerate. It’s handy sometimes. But yeah, like it’s nothing super amazing. But as soon as I hopped into a fuel based car, I’m like, oh my god, get me back to my Tesla. It’s noisy, it’s smelly, it’s, yeah.
Georgie 35:02
Yeah, I think it’s the same for a lot of things, right? I think it’s maybe that appreciation, you kind of, you don’t necessarily people don’t often spend time, like appreciating what they have, but then they have a slightly different experience. And then they become very grateful for, like, the things that they have.
Geoff 35:19
Yeah. Um, I mean, you know, when you go to Japan, you, you start resenting a lot of things in your own country, after coming back from Japan. But, yeah, I find that it didn’t make a huge I mean, I attribute it to being not maybe having a car for five or six years before buying the Tesla. So I had lost pretty much all kind of like, reference to how petrol cars drive.
Georgie 35:52
Yeah.
Geoff 35:52
And then I was like, wait a second, petrol cars usually roll forward. Right? If you just start it, they like have a roll start. And but the electric car doesn’t. Sure you probably turn it on, on the electric car if you wanted to. But you know that that problem where you you’re going uphill and you you have to stop at a light. So you could, if you, if you go off the brake, you start rolling backwards?
Georgie 36:23
Yeah.
Geoff 36:23
That kind of shit doesn’t happen because electric actually puts hold and turns turns itself like off and brakes at the, at any time you stop the car. So—
Georgie 36:33
Yeah.
Geoff 36:34
It’s kind of cool. Those things that I wouldn’t have probably thought was anything special until I realised that, you know, yeah, these things are really weird in a petrol car.
Georgie 36:46
Yeah, so maybe like, because you didn’t have a car for a while, and you got an electric one, but I drive like, a fuel car. And so if I went and got an electric car and drove one, maybe I would, I would feel the difference in a different way to what you felt I would probably maybe notice it, more obviously.
Geoff 37:08
Probably, but you’d probably be like, this is weird, can it like not, can it get it, can it go back to doing the regular car thing?
Georgie 37:16
Yeah, I mean, it’s reminds me of like tech where people, oh god, you know, you know, the Touch ID on the Apple iPhone.
Geoff 37:23
Okay. Yeah, let’s go with the Touch ID!
Georgie 37:26
I was very like reluctant to let go my phone with Touch ID because I was like, fuck this Face ID shit.
Geoff 37:32
Yeah.
Georgie 37:33
And then now it’s just like, oh, had to adapt. And then you sort of can’t imagine going back.
Geoff 37:39
Oh, man. So many complaints about Touch ID right. Or even just fingerprint scanners in general. Put on the back, people complain, put it on the front, people complain, put it under the screen, people complain. god.
Georgie 37:53
But then eventually people just adapt to the technologies anyway, right?
Geoff 37:56
Yeah.
Georgie 37:56
Remember when we all laughed at the iPad being like, four iPhones.
Geoff 38:00
Yeah.
Georgie 38:00
Back in 2010, or whatever it was.
Geoff 38:05
I still can’t handle people using the iPad Mini as a phone. Or like the iPad.
Georgie 38:13
A camera?
Geoff 38:13
Yeah.
Georgie 38:15
Yeah.
Geoff 38:15
You know, you know what else people can’t handle? The ending to our podcasts.
Georgie 38:23
The end of this episode!
Geoff 38:23
So you can follow us on @toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter, mostly Twitter.
Georgie 38:31
And you can find our podcasts on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts and the big iPad, which is bigger than it was 12 years ago.
Geoff 38:42
Oh, yeah. You know, a small story. I was on the train the other day someone sat down, whipped open the 12 inch like iPad on their lap. They’ve had this folding stand, put it on their lap and they started like doing some some med medical like work. And I was like, holy crap. That’s like huge... just... anyways.
Georgie 39:04
Yeah. I’ve heard it’s common in the in that space, like a lot of medical, people who work in the medical field actually use iPads.
Geoff 39:10
Yeah, I’ve never seen someone whip out the 12 inch on a—haha whip out their 12 inches on a train...!
Georgie 39:16
Yeah, don’t do that.
Geoff 39:17
Yeah. New episodes every Monday. So see you next week.
Georgie 39:22
See you next week. Bye.