Today in unfiltered, there’s some commotion at Georgie’s place, we discuss which Masterclasses we find most useful, and ponder meditation.
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Today in unfiltered, there’s some commotion at Georgie’s place, we discuss which Masterclasses we find most useful, and ponder meditation.
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Georgie:
Geoff:
Georgie 0:08
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I’m Georgie and as usual I’m here with Geoff. And also we’re co hosts and shit, I mean like—
Geoff 0:21
You forgot to call me a co-host.
Georgie 0:21
Nah we’re just people.
Geoff 0:22
The humanity! The p—yeah, we’re just we’re just peeps. Yeah, just before this episode we wee talking about like, Masterclass and whether or not it’s something that you enjoyed. So you said your list, you were watching Gordon Ramsay.
Georgie 0:40
Yeah.
Geoff 0:40
Should preface this, maybe people don’t know what it is.
Georgie 0:42
Ah yes.
Geoff 0:44
So they get famous people to come in and do tutorials. So moving on. (laughs)
Georgie 0:50
(laughs) Yes. So, Gordon Ramsay. I think a lot of people are familiar with him. Famous. Is he a chef or cook?
Geoff 0:56
For people don’t know who—he’s a ch—oh, chef. Please.
Georgie 0:59
I’m a Cooke.
Geoff 1:01
We’re, you’re a Cooke. You’re a cookie. Yeah, he’s a chef. He’s like a restauranteur technically, because he owns a lot of restaurants. And he cooks in all of his restaurants. So he’s pretty much full stack. (laughs)
Georgie 1:23
(laughs) For people who don’t know what full stack is.
Geoff 1:24
This is a whole glossary episode? (laughs)
Georgie 1:27
Yeah, we can just keep going, keep going until we have nothing.
Geoff 1:30
Yeah, for those people don’t know what full Stack is, someone who—
Georgie 1:37
A software engineer who covers all areas or has expertise in areas of quote unquote, the stack, which is like all technologies to build, I guess applications.
Geoff 1:48
Yeah involving.
Georgie 1:48
Software. Yeah.
Geoff 1:49
An application. So it used to be called web developers.
Georgie 1:53
(snort)
Geoff 1:53
Okay, so web developers they come in they do the little WordPress or like—
Georgie 1:59
Little WordPress? Little, Geoff.
Geoff 2:01
Little, little WordPress websites. And they would, you’d do everything, some that some times they like design, what it looks like, and then they make it work and then they’d hand over a login to a client and then they can type whatever they want and change the content on the website.
Georgie 2:18
And so for those—
Geoff 2:20
And that could be for one person.
Georgie 2:20
For those who don’t know what a website is.
Geoff 2:21
(laughs) We’re Wikipedia now. We do a Wikipedia race where we’re just going through links.
Georgie 2:29
(laughs) Okay, so back to this Masterclass thing, when it was very new I think Gordon Ramsay was one of the first people who had a course on on Masterclass, and I think we decided to give it a go, I can’t remember how much it costs. It’s quite a bit but it’s affordable for I guess when you consider the kind of the quality of the content you’re getting.
Geoff 2:49
You know, you know you’re really high class when your website like they don’t say “pricing” or “plan” they say “View plans”, the plans for what? Education? Plans for—
Georgie 3:00
And that’s because that’s what they’re about, maybe, you know maybe it’s an SEO thing right, Masterclass literally tells you.
Geoff 3:06
Yeah, yeah. So individual’s $23 a month but billed annually. That’s not bad actually.
Georgie 3:16
Australian.
Geoff 3:16
24 Australian dollars, 23. U, AUD.
Georgie 3:21
Just a little bit more than Netflix. Right?
Geoff 3:23
To US dollars. That’s true. Oh, man. See, that’s the good thing about Mac computers. They—
Georgie 3:31
The calculator?
Geoff 3:32
The calculator on Spotlight is so good. You can do command, you can do like Windows would be Windows spacebar—
Georgie 3:41
So they have a similar thing on Windows?
Geoff 3:43
They have an alt spacebar that does a little Spotlight thing, but it doesn’t have a calc, I think it—does have a regular calculator in it. Yes, regular calculator but it doesn’t do conversions.
Georgie 3:53
So it’s 16 US dollars a month.
Geoff 3:56
16 US dollars a month. But hey, you get Gordon Ramsay of let’s say $15 a month you got Gordon Ramsay teaching you how to cook so.
Georgie 4:07
Yeah.
Geoff 4:08
That’s, that could be worth.
Georgie 4:09
And it’s good, it’s good quality videos. Oh no shit. Oh my god, what the fuck. My, sorry—
Geoff 4:17
Did somebody, did somebody...?
Georgie 4:19
Like for fucking serious, like look at this, like the fucking cage of my fucking—
Geoff 4:24
Oh shit.
Georgie 4:25
Like what do you call the aircon unit on the balcony just fucking got blown off by the wind. Uhh. Wait hold on, I’ll message Nick maybe cut out the bit—
Geoff 4:37
No, no, this is real life.
Georgie 4:38
This is real life. Yeah—
Geoff 4:43
I thought I thought your naked neighbour came back.
Georgie 4:45
(laughs) I’m still recording but dude, that’s fucked.
Nick 4:51
Yeah, do we just leave it while it’s windy?
Georgie 4:51
Yeah, it might blow back off but that’s bad. Like isn’t it?
Nick 4:56
Just need to check if it damaged anything. I’ll have a quick look.
Georgie 4:57
Yeah, okay.
Geoff 4:58
No, you have to wait like, a month for your, for your landlord to come and fix it?
Georgie 5:05
No, no, it’s literally—okay. So a here’s funny story. I’ll tell a story about this cage. Okay, we’ll come back to the Masterclass thing. So that cage, this there’s this like sort of cage like metal cage that goes semi over the air conditioning unit that we have on the balcony.
Geoff 5:19
Right. So for those who don’t know what air conditioning units are—
Georgie 5:23
(laughs)
Geoff 5:23
In Australia, there are things called split systems.
Georgie 5:26
Ours is ducted.
Geoff 5:28
Oh, yours is ducted. Okay, ducted or split systems. But essentially, there is a something inside that blows the air into vents, out of vents, or a unit that is mounted on your wall. And then it goes outside. And then there is another unit that I guess sucks the air in from outside. Filtration. I don’t know, to be honest, I don’t know what it does. But there’s a unit outside it may cool or heat your stuff. And then and then it passes it into your apartment or house.
Georgie 5:57
Yeah. So before I tell the story, Nick just told me that like it, he showed me actually, it left a dent in the—
Geoff 6:05
Oh shit.
Georgie 6:06
On the tiles of the balcony. So I was like, yeah—
Geoff 6:08
On the tiles?
Georgie 6:09
Yeah, on the concrete tiles. So we’ll just take a picture and be like, hey, it was windy as fuck, and this happened. So yeah, that’s not good. But anyway, it’s not like attached so we could actually put it back. And when we found this out, we after we moved in, I think I noticed between the key like the bars of the cage and kind of near the aircon, air conditioning unit. There was like, like a, like a dog’s toy because the people who lived here before had a dog. And—
Geoff 6:38
Yeah.
Georgie 6:38
Yeah. And I was just like, I don’t know if we can move the cage. So I just left and we just cleaned around it on the balcony. And then one day, and I saw like maybe some leaves or something. And I was like, whatever, I can’t be bothered, like trying to sweep under there. And we’ll just leave it. And then one day there was like this kind of wrinkled up kind of leafy looking thing just near the cage. And I assumed it was like the leaves that I’d seen under the like, inside the bars of the cage. And they just, the wind had blown it out underneath, I was like whatever, I’ll clean it up later. Turns out, it was a dried, shrivelled piece of dog shit, several months old, and I didn’t even, I didn’t even take a second look because I just assumed it was like shrivelled up leaves. Nick was like, there’s a piece of dog shit, there’s a piece of dog shit, on the balcony. I’m like, what are you talking about? He goes that, over there. And I’m like, oh, that’s poop? I didn’t even know. We were wondering like, for like five minutes. Like where did it come from? Like, how could someone have thrown it? It looks like it’s been there for ages, it’s shrivelled up, it’s like... old.
Geoff 7:49
How does someone, how does someone like, I guess they have a pet, they put it out there and they shat and you don’t clean it up? Oh my god.
Georgie 7:57
Well, yeah, that’s so that’s part of the problem. But yeah, it must have just like gotten stuck in the cage. They didn’t clean it. And then the wind blew up because it was fucking dry. And like weighed one gram.
Geoff 8:10
Actually, funny thing is actually like side very, very tangential thing, but we were walking around the park and we saw someone walking their cat. It was on a leash and everything.
Georgie 8:20
Oh yeah. I’ve seen I’ve seen people walk their cats. Yeah.
Geoff 8:22
Yeah, yeah. But my partner had never seen anything like it’s just like, it was really, really novel. And so we just like followed this person who was like walking the cat over the tree. And then like eventually had to just like pick up the cat like, well, that didn’t work out so well. But he put it back down when it got to the path and just walked the cat and I was like yeah, some cats right, sometimes you can actually walk but not all cats. I think they also had the backpack with a window on it. Little‚
Georgie 8:51
Oh yeah the bubble thing, yeah.
Geoff 8:53
The space—
Georgie 8:55
I literally saw one today. We were driving back from Bunnings and there was a woman who was just carrying it in front of her like a like front backpack.
Geoff 9:03
Oh, front backpack.
Georgie 9:04
But yeah, and I was like, is that a cat? Yeah, I’m pretty sure it was. And then I saw a woman in the city, she had on, like on on wheelies, like rolling with the cat inside. Yeah.
Geoff 9:14
The thing is with the cat in the backpack, you just don’t expect it or at least I don’t expect it, they’re wearing a backpack and then all of a sudden something moves in there, and like oh my god, oh it’s a cat, cat back.
Georgie 9:25
But I think the the shape of it those those special backpacks like lends itself to being like, that’s that’s you can expect something funny.
Geoff 9:32
Something sus.
Georgie 9:34
An animal I think I’ve seen them maybe enough times now like, you know, even less than five times but still, seen them enough times to be like oh yeah, that’s probably got an animal in there.
Geoff 9:45
Yeah. Speaking of bubbles, have you seen bubble tents?
Georgie 9:51
Yeah, we talked about this.
Geoff 9:51
They, they released new dates for it. I found they messaged me because I like followed it. And they said right, new dates are open, you can book, and it’s basically like 700 to 800 dollars a night.
Georgie 10:07
Wait didn’t you say—
Geoff 10:08
During October.
Georgie 10:09
Didn’t you say it was cheaper than this at some point?
Geoff 10:12
Exactly exactly. I think it’s gone up, like if you, of course if you go to the Christmas is 1000 like $200 a night.
Georgie 10:20
Fuck.
Geoff 10:20
Yeah, but that’s the thing, they was like, oh we released new dates you can book, you can book like the November December January period, and then I looked at price I’m like, 2k!
Georgie 10:30
They want your money.
Geoff 10:31
1k a night. Oh my god. Oh, it says from 715 per night but like we’re already in December, and it’s booked out, so you know what? Kudos to them. Get that bag.
Georgie 10:46
(laughs) Yeah.
Geoff 10:47
For this, as you said I think last time, it was like it’s kind of strange that people are being charged up the up the wazoo for something that is—
Georgie 10:55
Glorified—
Geoff 10:56
Super basic.
Georgie 10:57
Glorified camping.
Geoff 10:58
Yeah, you can, you can literally buy a tent and go. I’m guessing they bought the land for this and you can’t actually go camping there.
Georgie 11:08
Yeah, I’m pretty sure they own the land and they’re just made it like a nice secluded spot.
Geoff 11:13
There’s a telescope just in case that you—
Georgie 11:15
Oh, no, like, I think out in those areas you can see like, like—
Geoff 11:19
Oh.
Georgie 11:20
Yeah, Milky Way and shit or whatever. You can see constellations better.
Geoff 11:23
Yeah.
Georgie 11:23
Because there’s no air pollution.
Geoff 11:26
Yeah, but they put it there thinking like, people would. I don’t know if I’d actually use it.
Georgie 11:31
Telescopes are super expensive.
Geoff 11:32
Right. It’s there. I’m like, that’s cool. But will I actually sit there and use it? Maybe once.
Georgie 11:37
Cut to a scene of Geoff looking in a telescope.
Geoff 11:41
Yeah. Anyways, in Masterclass they don’t tell you anything about astrology. Do they?
Georgie 11:46
I think Neil deGrasse Tyson’s on there. Does he have like, was that just?
Geoff 11:49
Yes. Scientific thinking and communication. Oh Bill Nye the science guy’s here? Yeah.
Georgie 11:55
Yeah.
Geoff 11:57
Anyway, so you tried out the—
Georgie 11:59
You got Chris Hadfield as well.
Geoff 12:01
Who?
Georgie 12:01
Chris Hadfield. Teaches space—he’s an astronaut.
Geoff 12:04
Oh, he’s an astronaut? Okay.
Georgie 12:05
Yeah.
Geoff 12:06
Teaches space exploration. Like “alright, alright, everybody. Put on the suit—”
Georgie 12:10
We’ll get to our criticisms.
Geoff 12:12
...the moon.
Georgie 12:13
Yeah, we’ll get our criticisms of Masterclas in a sec, but Gordon Ramsay’s cooking one was pretty good. Like teaches you some basics.
Geoff 12:22
Yeah.
Georgie 12:23
I don’t know if I’d like recommend it. But like, if you’re interested in learning how to cook and you don’t know anything. I think it’s it’s pretty, it’s pretty good. And it’s nice to know how he as a professional chef, does it. So I think that’s where the these courses are good is that you’re learning from someone who already has a reputation of like, knowing their, owning their craft or whatever.
Geoff 12:46
Yeah, I mean, I did the math here. It’s $276 for the year. And when I’m confronted with that price, I say probably no, but then you look at, you know, the price of Netflix. And that’s pretty much the same at the full tier.
Georgie 13:00
Yeah.
Geoff 13:02
Anyways, I also had also had a trial, or rather, I got given the year for free from someone else who had the subscription.
Georgie 13:17
Yeah, use their account?
Geoff 13:19
No, no. So when you buy when you buy the year, you get—
Georgie 13:23
A gift?
Geoff 13:23
A voucher to gift it to somebody else, so they get a free year.
Georgie 13:27
So did you actually use it is the question?
Geoff 13:29
Well, I kind of screwed up first and foremost, I signed up and for some reason, it didn’t apply the code. So I actually paid for the first year.
Georgie 13:38
Shit.
Geoff 13:38
But they gave me a free second year instead. So that’s nice.
Georgie 13:41
But have you used it?
Geoff 13:44
Yeah, I watched the Gordon Ramsay one? I think, I can’t remember too much. But I also watched Garry Kasparov, play chess, he taught chess.
Georgie 13:55
So you’ve watched more than me because I’ve actually only watched the Gordon Ramsay one.
Geoff 13:59
Yeah. I mean, yours was the, what, one week trial, one month trial?
Georgie 14:03
Yeah, I can’t remember. I think we probably had a one, maybe it was one month. Yeah.
Geoff 14:08
Yeah, I had a whole year and I only watched like, two or three.
Georgie 14:12
So yeah, I think as with most most things, if you’re not going to consume the content on the thing, like, or if you won’t have time, then don’t do it. Right. Like I, to be honest, I don’t watch Netflix that much. I’m tempted to just cancel it for like until I need it again. But.
Geoff 14:27
To be fair, though, if you did one of these a month, or even one of these a quarter, it may still be worth it. I don’t, I think they’re, like the the tier of like, of people who are doing the course are quite high.
Georgie 14:47
Yeah.
Geoff 14:47
So $23 for one of these people to teach you something. It’s pretty good. But I don’t learn things from tutorials.
Georgie 14:57
Yes, yeah. So this is this is where I find it probably is not for everyone, is that I think that some of the courses I’m not sure really are applicable to, to real life? I suppose. Like Chris Hadfield, you know, teaching space exploration. Am I really going to apply some of the shit? Like he’s a cool guy like, seriously, he has some cool... I think he did a Wired video once or something. And I like space, but am I gonna actually use anything that I learned?
Geoff 15:31
Yeah, it’s not a useful skill.
Georgie 15:32
No. Right. But if I wanted to pay $23 Australian dollars a month and like consume this course. Yeah, I’m sure it would be worth my money. So it depends. Like, do you want to watch these fun—
Geoff 15:44
Like “How to get to Mars” is one of his chapters.
Georgie 15:48
Yeah, you know, and like, you’re gonna learn, I guess you’re gonna learn stuff. It’s kind of like any other learning. What’s that thing? Skillshare or whatever.
Geoff 15:55
Oh yeah, Skillshare.
Georgie 15:56
Yeah, it’s gonna be like a learning thing. And what’s that whole thing about if you don’t apply what you learn then like, what is the point?
Geoff 16:05
Yeah, it I mean, the astronaut one is basically to me feels like a YouTube doco. Right. Documentary, where you just learned something fun, fun facts. But Masterclass is supposed to be I guess more useful in everyday life, like you said.
Georgie 16:25
Okay, let’s go through some of these.
Geoff 16:27
Yeah, most popular one is “Bill Clinton teaches inclusive leadership”.
Georgie 16:32
I think that’s a good. That’s a good topic.
Geoff 16:35
Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s useful. Hillary Clinton comes in underneath as well, for “teaches the power of resilience”. That’s pretty—
Georgie 16:44
Good.
Geoff 16:44
Good.
Georgie 16:45
It’s like a self improve, like it’s something that you could apply it to yourself and apply to daily life.
Geoff 16:54
“Chris Voss teaches the act of negotiation as good”. The art. It is an art.
Georgie 17:00
Yeah.
Geoff 17:01
I think that’s useful.
Georgie 17:03
Yeah.
Geoff 17:03
Negotiation. Mindfulness and meditation.
Georgie 17:06
Okay, like, I’m gonna, I’m going to just come out and say, I fucking hate meditation. But—
Geoff 17:09
Yeah?
Georgie 17:10
But mindfulness is like a different thing. It’s like mindful in what you do on a daily basis, and being intentional about stuff. So that part is fine. Just don’t teach me how to sit there and focus on shit and do nothing and yadda yadda.
Geoff 17:23
Yeah. So my, one of my friends tried to get me into meditation. So didn’t do a class or anything. They just did it by themselves and I was, alright, so I sat there. And—oh, wait. So actually, rolling way back to high school. Hilarious. We had a—
Georgie 17:41
Yoga?
Geoff 17:41
Religious education class, that was mandatory, because I went to a Catholic school. And one of the religious education teachers would like would start every class with meditation. And they would just get everyone to lie on the floor. Yet, nevermind the fact that we’re lying on the floor. And, and, and like, meditate, he would put on some kind of music, or he would walk us through meditation, and I’d just fall asleep every single time.
Georgie 18:17
Yeah.
Geoff 18:18
Fast forward to my adult years. And my friend’s like, like, they’re, they like to do meditation. So I said, Okay, so what do I do for meditation? Like, let me understand this thing. So sat there, and got walked through the meditation, just fell asleep. And they said, maybe, no, they said that that’s kind of like the point. I guess, if you can relax yourself to the point where you just fall asleep, then then I guess meditation work for you.
Georgie 18:49
Really? No one has ever said that to me. No one, but at the same time, no one’s ever said it’s a bad thing either.
Geoff 18:58
Yeah, um, I don’t know, has, how I understand meditation is that you’re, you’re just meant to sit there, like with a clear mind. And it’s okay to think about stuff, but realise you’re thinking about it, and then just like, remove it from your thoughts immediately. So I’m like, well, if I’m doing that constantly, I guess I just fall asleep because I’m literally not thinking about anything.
Georgie 19:19
Yeah.
Geoff 19:20
So, ah.
Georgie 19:20
Yeah.
Geoff 19:21
Yeah.
Georgie 19:22
Yeah, I don’t know. I just found that. Yeah, generally, it wasn’t for me, because it was just so boring. I guess. And, I don’t know.
Geoff 19:30
Yeah, doing nothing.
Georgie 19:30
Because sometimes I get anxious. So I don’t want to, I don’t want to like—
Geoff 19:34
That’s how meditation is supposed to help you!
Georgie 19:38
Wait, I do, I don’t think I do specifically exclude, like yeah, explicitly meditation but sometimes I just decide to sit there and you know, have a cup of tea and just stare into space and be with my thoughts. I don’t try and like push them away or anything, but I find that—
Geoff 19:56
Actually time to be with, to actually think about things.
Georgie 19:59
Just to be, yeah, just to be there and just not really do anything like not—
Geoff 20:03
Maybe it is meditation.
Georgie 20:03
Maybe? Right. Like, I think that’s more to do with mindfulness or like, you know, spending time with yourself to spending time to “just be” as some people.
Geoff 20:13
Yeah. How, do you fall asleep really easily? Is...
Georgie 20:18
Oh, we can talk about this. I am, I am a serial, like, if I want to nap, I’m gonna fucking nap. If I, if I say I’m gonna nap, if I say I’m gonna nap for nine minutes I would do it. I will. I will go on the couch just or wherever.
Geoff 20:33
Haha, wherever, on a train, in a closet.
Georgie 20:38
But no, this is a thing. And I think this is what Nick is jealous of, is that I can I can nap. Because some people can’t. They’ll go “Oh, fine nap, I’ll end up sleeping for two hours”. But for me, and I feel like it could be a genetic thing. Because my dad was the same. He’d just go, “I’m gonna have a nap”, he’d nap for like 10 minutes, just before he had like, let’s say he had to drive me somewhere when I was like a kid, like to dance class or something. And he had 10 minutes before we had to leave, he’d just go a nap. And then he would be like, wake me up when you’re ready. And he was fine. And I think I got it from him. Because I’m the same. I’m like, I’m gonna nap for like literally just 11 minutes. Someone was like, how can you do that? And like, I just do it. Sometimes I just, I use an alarm on my watch, right? But basically, just before it starts going off, I feel myself stirring and waking up anyway, and then suddenly goes (vibrate noise) time to wake up. And I’m like, I’m good at this, bitch.
Geoff 21:31
Yeah.
Georgie 21:32
I’m one, I’m one of those people, and then going to sleep just in the evening, like, like regular sleep. I fall asleep pretty easily, like seriously, like, two minutes, out.
Geoff 21:43
What goes what goes through your mind? Does it, does nothing? So if you’re like, you’re thinking about your day, maybe when you’re going to sleep? Yeah. And then all of a sudden you like wake up the next day? And you’re like, yeah, what happens?
Georgie 21:55
So I guess the thing that bothers me about with meditation practice is usually you’re told not to, not to well, not to, well, to accept the thoughts that are coming through. But just—
Geoff 22:06
Not dwell.
Georgie 22:06
Think about, yeah, and think about nothing, but I don’t, I just, I just keep thinking, I just let it happen. I don’t think about going to sleep, I just close my eyes. And just, if something comes through, and I think about it, it’s fine. And this is what I do when I just sit there and do nothing or just give myself space or something, is just let thoughts come in. And so I think that’s why I don’t like the thinking about nothing thing because it maybe it just doesn’t work for me or it manifests in different ways for me.
Geoff 22:33
Yeah, my... So, I don’t like napping. And that’s just purely because I don’t think I feel better after it, like—
Georgie 22:41
Yeah.
Geoff 22:41
It’s like, I’m tired. I’ll go nap. I’ll wake up. And I like I still feel exactly the same, if not worse than before. But I mean, Dorinda, my partner is kind of the same as well with you. She’ll just like, close her eyes and like, sleep.
Georgie 22:59
(laughs)
Geoff 22:59
Sometimes. Sometimes she doesn’t realise she’s gone to sleep. And when I realise that she’s gone to sleep, it’s just ridiculously fast. So I’ll be talking, and then and then all of a sudden, she’s like, not awake anymore? I’m like oh, because she fell asleep. Anyways, for me, I can I can I do more of think of darkness kind of thing, where I’m like, if I’m lying that I can think about a whole bunch of stuff and go okay, well, now it’s time to sleep. I’ll just push all thoughts away.
Georgie 23:35
Yeah.
Geoff 23:35
And then and then I would I would drift to sleep. And I was, actually explained this to somebody one time. I’m like, Yeah, I just kind of think of darkness. And then like, I just think of more darkness and just continue until, like, I’m asleep, I guess. Until I’m not thinking of anything. And I’m already asleep. And they said, they said that that was like a yeah, not how everybody else thinks about sleep. So. Um, but.
Georgie 24:03
Yeah.
Geoff 24:03
Clearly. Yeah, I think I used to sleep a lot easier. I used to like, yeah, close my eyes and then wake up, like, oh, shit. It’s the next day. But yeah.
Georgie 24:15
Interesting.
Geoff 24:15
These days? Not really. These days will pass, I guess. Yeah, adult years. I’d be like, oh, yeah, I can just you know, think of an infinite darkness and then go to sleep. It’s pretty weird.
Georgie 24:29
Yeah.
Geoff 24:29
Sleep’s weird. I’ve been tracking my sleep though. Since I got myself a watch.
Georgie 24:34
Yeah. Did you notice that? It’s got more details now?
Geoff 24:37
Yeah, yeah. I watched this YouTube video. What’s it called... is this guy does a whole thing where he tests the Apple Watch... Apple Watch Series 8 sleep test... And this guy goes way crazy with this thing. So it’s The Quantified Scientist. And basically he, he takes like, hospitals slash health grade tracking stuff.
Georgie 25:06
Okay, and compares it?
Geoff 25:08
Compares it. Yeah. And then he does whole correlation graphs and things like that and, and like, like if, if this hospital grade or well commercial, like whatever grade, thing can measure that I’m in REM and then he has the Apple Watch one, and then he measures his REM. And then like, he has a whole bunch of like sleeps that he’s done, but he’s quite extreme. He’ll do it for the fitness stuff as well. He’ll go through a bunch of different like fitness stuff, he’ll do all the setup, he’ll do all the bicycling. He’ll do all of that stuff to test it. He’s crazy.
Georgie 25:46
But why? And like, I don’t know, like—
Geoff 25:49
Oh, he’s a PhD in biological science or something like that.
Georgie 25:53
So it’s truly his passion.
Geoff 25:55
Yeah, it’s truly his passion.
Georgie 25:56
I just wonder like, I mean, it’s interesting, but I don’t need an in depth thing. I’d rather just someone tell me hey, it’s actually accurate or not, you know?
Geoff 26:05
Yeah. He says it’s actually accurate for the sleeping.
Georgie 26:08
Well, that‘s good, good to know.
Geoff 26:09
Yeah. The only thing that is not really accurate for is, and I think everybody saw this coming. Is the blood, the blood oxygen levels. Yeah. I mean, I don’t think anyone, I hope no one expected that the blood oxygen was actually able to be accurately taken by a watch.
Georgie 26:27
Yeah. Well, the funny thing is there were people trying to test this recently, they have crash detection.
Geoff 26:34
Oh yeah, the crash detection.
Georgie 26:35
He did one?
Geoff 26:37
No, no, I don’t think he did one. But I’ve seen some, maybe.
Georgie 26:40
People wanted, people talking about it. Like I think I think Marques Brownlee said, “I’m not gonna try that”, but you know, take their word for it. Which reminded me of the when fall detection first came to the Watch, and I actually accidentally somehow triggered it once, I was doing like, dumbbell like shoulder presses, like standing. And it was getting more difficult. And like, I put the dumbbells down very quickly. Like, I didn’t drop them. But I bent down and I put them on the ground very quickly, after I finished my set, and it was like, “did you just fall?” And I’m like oh no, no I didn’t.
Geoff 27:18
Yeah, I remember when that came around. And we were still rock climbing. And when I—
Georgie 27:25
Oh, yeah!
Geoff 27:25
And I slipped off the off the rock, and then it told me, are you are you? Did you fall? Do I need to call the emergency services. I’m like, well, you’re not wrong. I did kind of fall?
Georgie 27:37
But I’m safe. Right? So that’s where I’m like, wit. You know, there’s a like, what does it mean? Like, can you you can’t actually tell it? Yes, I’m okay. Oh, wait, no, you can!
Geoff 27:48
No, you can.
Georgie 27:49
Yes. It says no I didn’t fall, or yes.
Geoff 27:51
Yeah, it has a timer basically, like within 10 seconds. If you don’t say you’re okay, it’s just gonna keep calling.
Georgie 27:57
It’s gonna SOS.
Geoff 27:59
SOS.
Georgie 28:01
Detection?
Geoff 28:02
Detection? Yeah, for for the Apple Watch. Yeah, so that was really funny.
Georgie 28:08
The funny thing is, there was this guy Rene Richie on YouTube who actually did a test trying to, trying to emulate that, like he kept, it was so silly like the B roll footage just him like just crashing into a bed and shit and trying to trigger the fall detection, and at some point I think I watched the whole video but I must have tuned out at some point because I was like, bro give up. (laughs)
Geoff 28:35
Oh shit. Well, the the weird part is like like when he, I mean it’s nice right? It’s nice to have the crash detection but are you really gonna...
Georgie 28:52
Like it, like realistically?
Geoff 28:54
And yeah, in everyday life.
Georgie 28:58
It’s like the satellite thing that they announced as well.
Geoff 29:01
Yeah. So somebody was saying actually I think was Marques or something like, or someone, was saying like it’s really weird because the old the like the iPhone 14 and the and the Watch, right? They’re all about the crash detection is sort of like preventing you from dying.
Georgie 29:18
Yeah.
Geoff 29:19
And then you get like Apple Watch Ultra which is like like something about, or promoting you going into really dangerous—
Georgie 29:28
Extreme?
Geoff 29:28
Scenarios, extreme conditions to die. So it’s like, got at odds user experience. So back to back to the Masterclass thing.
Georgie 29:41
Yes.
Geoff 29:43
Teaches cooking, teaches winning mindset. Yeah, this stuff is okay. The thing is that I found was when you look through it, it’s kind of hard to keep this subscription I think because you care about a very, very minute like, like—
Georgie 30:00
Yeah, you’re not going to be interested in all of these either, right? Okay, “Plan your dream wedding” is coming soon. Like, I mean, I don’t know I’m married that’s probably not going to happen unless I get divorced and, but then I’ve already had experience like planning a wedding. So I’m not gonna watch this.
Geoff 30:17
Like your your renewal of the vows wedding.
Georgie 30:21
But yeah, like that doesn’t interest me even though I am married and you know, planning the wedding was fun and shit. But I was like, Texas style barbecue, sounds cool, but I’m probably not gonna barbecue something that’s specific to be honest with you. The dog training one does sound cool.
Geoff 30:38
Again something that’s a YouTube video, like I don’t I don’t have a dog, so I’m not going to—
Georgie 30:42
Actually I’m gonna I’m gonna un-promote Masterclass and there is a guy called Zak George, Z, A, K, on YouTube who does very good dog training videos.
Geoff 30:57
Right.
Georgie 30:58
Yeah, he himself is a professional dog trainer. So you know, if you don’t want to pay for Masterclass, there you go.
Geoff 31:04
Wait, where’s the chess one?
Georgie 31:06
Wait you’re only in the popular category.
Geoff 31:09
Oh I’m only in the popular. Trending, trending.
Georgie 31:11
Trending.
Geoff 31:12
All classes. So mathematical thinking, Pharrell Williams and noted co instructors—
Georgie 31:20
“The power of empathy”. That’s a good one.
Geoff 31:23
“Christina Aguilera teaches singing”. To be honest, when whenever I watch videos about vocal coaches, like crit, like critiquing or reacting to like professional singers, live performances, that stuff is quite interesting. The way they talk about like your vocals and and how you enunciate different letters different ways, because it’s just nicer when you sing it.
Georgie 31:48
Yeah, that’s cool.
Geoff 31:49
I think the one is like they, Is, you actually pronounce it as an “Ahhh” sound for some reason. I don’t know. Anyways, this one. I think that’s why...
Georgie 32:00
Super technical.
Geoff 32:01
Christina Aguilera teaching you singing is probably just a little bit practical. I guess?
Georgie 32:06
The comedy one kind of gets me because I think it’s quite subjective.
Geoff 32:10
Oh Steve Martin is not that funny to me.
Georgie 32:13
Ooh. Yeah actually, let’s go down this road a little bit. Who do I not find funny? I do not find Ricky Gervais very.
Geoff 32:23
Yeah, Ricky Gervais. Not funny.
Georgie 32:24
Yeah, he’s a bit like just poking fun at people. And I think it’s not so funny anymore.
Geoff 32:30
Kevin Hart is a bit funny. Kevin Hart.
Georgie 32:35
Don’t know if I know much of his stuff.
Geoff 32:37
They’re all on Netflix. So.
Georgie 32:39
Yeah. So personally, I like Ross Noble.
Geoff 32:44
Oh do I know him? Ross.
Georgie 32:46
He was on...
Geoff 32:46
I think we’ve talked him...
Georgie 32:47
Celebrity Apprentice in Australia.
Geoff 32:50
Ross Noble. Oh yeah I know this guy. Yeah I know what he looks like.
Georgie 32:53
So he does observational comedy. And I think that’s why I find it funny. It’s just it’s ridiculous. Like he’s not afraid to be silly. Michael McIntyre.
Geoff 33:02
Michael McIntyre, that’s the guy.
Georgie 33:02
Oh, yeah, yeah, I like him. Dude, we bought tickets! For, he’s coming here next June.
Geoff 33:08
Nice.
Georgie 33:08
So he’s like funny because he’s also kind of not afraid to be a bit silly. And it’s also observational comedy. It’s kind of like those people who are saying, what, what, what you’re thinking? In—
Geoff 33:20
Yeah.
Georgie 33:20
In like, in a really general context. But also speaking of people who like, you know, saying what you think are people the likes of like, George Carlin?
Geoff 33:31
I haven’t heard of him.
Georgie 33:32
Oh, he’s like a, he’s passed away now. Sorry, “dead”. If anyone’s listening to this, like he did this skit. He did this skit on language, right? And how we’re saying like, why do we call them “differently abled”, right, just that we’re trying to be like, it’s like they’re crippled. Like, stop being afraid to like he does political correctness kind of thing.
Geoff 33:55
Oh funny, funny thing on that actually, if my phone would actually unlock, I read this thing. It was pretty funny on, in our private Slack, the, oh for those who don’t know what slack is. Maybe Teams is something close, or what would you say is pretty close. So imagine a group messaging program, but for work and it has multiple channels for different...
Georgie 34:22
We had one for like talking shit.
Geoff 34:24
That’s true. Not for work explicitly.
Georgie 34:26
For groups. Like for, for community groups, I guess you could say but also commonly used for work.
Geoff 34:31
Yeah, so this funny thing. So someone says, hey, so, besides the context, he basically says, we need a bot that interrupts like a really, really long thread of of messages on Slack.
Georgie 34:47
Like when it’s too long?
Geoff 34:49
Yeah, it’s just too long, and you like, you can’t you cannot understand anything anymore because everyone’s trying to respond to each other.
Georgie 34:55
Yeah.
Geoff 34:55
Anyways, there’s a there’s a bot that just in, we should get a bot that just interrupts and says, “Hey, maybe you should have a Zoom meeting or something, guys”.
Georgie 35:07
(laughs)
Geoff 35:07
Slackbot comes in, Slackbot’s a bot. It just responds to things.
Georgie 35:11
You can set it up, you can set it up. So it has automatic responses.
Geoff 35:15
Yeah. So the bot responded to, to this, to one of my co workers and said, we encourage Campers, so we’re called Campers, to use gender inclusive language by avoiding phrases like “guys”, “you guys”, when referring to a group.
Georgie 35:30
Yeah.
Geoff 35:30
“Some alternatives to try: ‘team’, ‘folks’, ‘you all’.” And then he responds saying, “oh, man, I’ve been cancelled”.
Georgie 35:40
Yeah, I’ve seen this in a couple of Slack groups I’m in.
Geoff 35:45
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 35:46
But yeah, on that, like, we had a discussion about this at work the other day.
Geoff 35:49
Oh before you go—
Georgie 35:50
Yes.
Geoff 35:50
I responded to his can, like, “I’ve been cancelled”, to, with this: “We encourage Campers to use more positive terms by avoiding phrases like ‘cancelled’ and ‘burned’.”
Georgie 36:02
(laughs) Are you serious!
Geoff 36:02
Yeah, “when referring to being removed from the public or group, some alternatives to try: ‘I have decided to take my life in a different direction’, or ‘I’m excited to enter a different chapter in my life’.
Georgie 36:14
(laughs) That’s a bit like, that’s almost like condescending of the bot.
Geoff 36:18
Yeah.
Georgie 36:19
But yeah, like, look on general, my general thoughts on this, like political correctness is like, you know, I get it. And like, you know, obviously, when we do this pod, we try and like, not offend anybody. And I think that’s the main thing, right? Like, some people might argue it’s been taken too far. It’s like, “oh stop using the word guys”, or whatever, some people are generally not offended by using “guys” in a group context. I think it mainly boils down to if the person says, “Hey, can you not use that language, do something else instead”, then, I think that’s, that’s, that’s it. Right? Like.
Geoff 36:51
Yeah, it’s about being like.
Georgie 36:53
Respectful of others.
Geoff 36:53
Culturally sensitive and respectful to the people you’re talking to, which I think is like the right way of going about it. We’re in a group. It’s private. It’s not a public chat. So maybe being called out for using the word “guys” is a little too on the nose. I mean, that’s kind of why I wrote that thing. I’m like, being critical of this, overcorrection, maybe. It’s kind of like when we got skin tones for emojis.
Georgie 37:24
Oh, it’s like the whole thing like.
Geoff 37:26
It’s the worst.
Georgie 37:26
Trying to be inclusive, but then someone is like, you didn’t put my skin tone in there. And it’s like.
Geoff 37:31
Yeah.
Georgie 37:32
You can’t please everyone. Yeah, there was a whole thing about it.
Geoff 37:35
Sorry, sorry. I’m not. I’m not hashtag A, O, A 0, 4, 3, F, like, come on. That’s a hex code for anybody who doesn’t know hex code colours. I don’t even know what I said, was it, what hex colour it is.
Georgie 37:52
I don’t know.
Geoff 37:54
But yeah. Hex, hex code colours, for anyone who doesn’t know.
Georgie 38:02
It’s a six, what, six, dig—not digit, six character.
Geoff 38:05
Six character.
Georgie 38:07
A to F, letters A to F can be used and numbers zero to nine.
Geoff 38:12
Yeah, and it represents a mix of red, green and blue I think, which is—no wait, no, that’s RGB. What is hex?
Georgie 38:22
Uh. I think it does, though. Like because you got, okay. For example. Zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero is like black.
Geoff 38:30
Yeah.
Georgie 38:30
You change, I think I think f, f, 0000 is red. So actually, yeah, it’s yes—
Geoff 38:37
Yeah, the first two letter numbers refer to red, the next two refer to green, the last two refer to blue, the colour values define values between double zero and FF, instead of zero to 255 in RGB. Anyways, yeah, so when they introduced the skin tones, I thought it’s a bit of an overcorrection, because, I mean, I was looking through skin tones. I’m like, oh my god, they don’t have mine. So I guess I’ll go to the closest one which is quite pale and I’m like, I don’t want that.
Georgie 39:09
Yeah.
Geoff 39:10
I’ll just go yellow. Like the yellow...
Georgie 39:11
Yeah, here’s what bothers me with like the emoji as well, it’s like, I’m not that pale either. And I’m also, the other, the next one down is a bit too dark, but then the corresponding hair colour, for the—
Geoff 39:21
Yes.
Georgie 39:21
For the pale one is dark hair like me, cool. But it’s, the skin is too pale. But then the corresponding darker colour is maybe closer to my skin but then the hair is like brown. Like it’s—
Geoff 39:32
Haha, yeah.
Georgie 39:32
It’s closer. Like there’s less contrast between the hair and the skin and I’m like, I don’t know what to do.
Geoff 39:40
(laughs) Yeah, you’re sitting there going, I need to pick the right one. But I don’t know which one.
Georgie 39:44
I mean I think this is this like a funny, I think you know I was gonna bring up the whole, you know, if you don’t laugh, you’re gonna cry right? We can complain about it. But it’s it is kind of it is kind of funny that we care about this because there are options for us to sort of represent ourselves but then it’s like, well, there’s not enough options.
Geoff 40:03
Yeah, you. And I mean, like if they just kept it yellow, then yellow represents everybody collectively. And it didn’t matter until, yeah. Stupid skin tones.
Georgie 40:16
I mean, whatever. I’m not I’m not mad. It’s like, you know, I’m not mad about it, but I’m not like, super chuffed about it. But I noticed recently, you know, the handshake emoji.
Geoff 40:25
Yeah.
Georgie 40:25
You can now on the iPhone, and I’ve done about other devices, but you can now choose two different colors for the—
Geoff 40:32
No way!
Georgie 40:32
Yes, you can.
Geoff 40:33
Yeah, that’s pretty cool. Yeah. “Which skin color emoji should you use? The answer can be more complicated than you think”.
Georgie 40:39
Before we go into this article, I’m just like, don’t even read the article. I’m just gonna say, pick whatever one you want. Right? Like, it’s like when you have these things to represent yourself. It’s like totally up to you. So someone can’t fucken—
Geoff 40:51
You represent you.
Georgie 40:51
Ad someone can’t fucking correct you and be like, excuse me, why are you using the wrong...
Geoff 40:58
It’s like, well, I saw the sun for the first time the other day and I actually got a tan. So now I’m like really black.
Georgie 41:05
Oh my god, you know what, speaking of that, I—
Geoff 41:06
Transferred skin colour!
Georgie 41:07
I actually when I was tanned, I used a tan like a more dark thumbs up emoji and then like in the winter I’m more pale, right?
Geoff 41:18
(laughs)
Georgie 41:18
So yeah, by all means your skin colour can change when you’ve been in the sun.
Geoff 41:23
I think most people in Slack have actually solved this by introducing the custom emoji that just it’s a GIF or an animation and it just fades through all the colors. It goes from yellow all the way to Black and then back. So yeah, it’s like represents everybody. I’m not even going to read the article. I’m just going to link it into—
Georgie 41:42
Don’t even link it. (laughs)
Geoff 41:42
I’ll link it in the show notes, so you guys can read it.
Georgie 41:44
Yeah.
Geoff 41:44
But that’s really all we have time for.
Georgie 41:48
(laughs) Shit.
Geoff 41:48
So don’t think too hard about it. You can follow us on @toastroastpod on, oh, was gonna Telegram, on Twitter.
Georgie 41:57
(laughs) We’ll be on Telegram one day. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts and the big bang that came from my balcony which I’m not sure if Geoff is going to edit out, but we can—
Geoff 42:09
Nah, it’s real life.
Georgie 42:09
We can live with it, man.
Geoff 42:11
And new episodes every Monday. So see you next week.
Georgie 42:15
Bye!