Stolen songs for TV ad jingles really grinds our gears while painting pottery and shaking our fists at the damn TikTok algorithms.
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Stolen songs for TV ad jingles really grinds our gears while painting pottery and shaking our fists at the damn TikTok algorithms.
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Georgie:
Geoff:
Georgie 0:08
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host, Georgie and as always, I’m here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:17
Hi. Um. So I heard I heard through the grapevine, rather from you. You’re getting—
Georgie 0:32
I’m the grapevine.
Geoff 0:32
You’re the grapevine.
Georgie 0:34
Yeah, I’m the grapevine.
Geoff 0:35
Oh, do you remember the song “I heard it through the grape vine, tastes so good I want it all the time”. What’s it from?
Georgie 0:45
It’s it’s from an ad, but I think it was adapted from an actual song.
Geoff 0:51
Oh, Marvin Gaye. He’s the original.
Georgie 0:53
Of course it’s Marvin Gaye. Whoo.
Geoff 0:55
Yeah. Heard it through the grapevine, song, ad... Is it Cal—is it California Raisins?
Georgie 1:04
No, I think it was Sultana Bran.
Geoff 1:07
Oh, Australia. Gotta put Australia.
Georgie 1:10
Yeah.
Geoff 1:10
Sultana Bran.
Georgie 1:13
I think that’s what it was.
Geoff 1:14
(sings) See juicy sultanas from the grapevine.
Georgie 1:19
See, I think you remembered like, part of the real song.
Geoff 1:23
Yeah.
Georgie 1:23
The original song and part of the Sultana Bran one.
Geoff 1:27
Do you think that’s good, that they like, re mixing up these?
Georgie 1:31
No, no, I do not think this is good. Because you know, that Coles one. So Coles is a supermarket here, everybody. And they have they like to tell you that their prices are cheap. Down. Like—
Geoff 1:43
Oh, yeah, “down, down, prices are down.”
Georgie 1:46
Yeah, so that’s how their jingle goes. But they’ve adapted it from a song called Downtown—
Geoff 1:51
Oh no.
Georgie 1:51
By a woman who sang it in I believe it was the 1930s or something like that. And so it’s, and if you listen to the original one, she’s singing in such a graceful manner, “Downtown. Everything is”, something, “downtown”, and it’s very pleasant, and instead Coles, the supermarket, have adapted it for a jingle. And they’ve turned it into some, what do you call it? It’s a very modern bopping thing that says “Down, down down prices are down”. It’s sounds different. And so I’m not sure I like when this happens, especially if I happen to like the song, the original song.
Geoff 2:34
Yeah.
Georgie 2:35
So.
Geoff 2:36
You could, you could say like, now people, well, you could say one side, people might recognise it and be like, “Oh, that’s a fun, like change up”. But then there’s also people who have no idea what the original song was, like, I didn’t know “down, down prices are down”, was from an original song. And then the grapevine song, which I knew was like a song. But of course, Marvin Gaye is, you know, a, quite a popular artist, so but I didn’t know it was his song. And I learned something. Maybe some, maybe sometimes you’re—nah, jokes. Nobody learns anything these days. We don’t have jingles these days. I think we had an episode already. We talked about this. We no longer have jingles. Or is it? Like?
Georgie 3:22
Did we?
Geoff 3:23
No one does jingles.
Georgie 3:24
We didn’t talk about—
Geoff 3:25
For ads anymore.
Georgie 3:27
I don’t think they’re as common. They were very common like, as I was, as we weregrowing up, you know, like, kids you hear on the TV and stuff—
Geoff 3:34
Like Aeroplane Jelly, “I like Aeroplane Jelly”
Georgie 3:36
That wa exactly the one you mentioned.
Geoff 3:36
“Aeroplane Jelly for me”.
Georgie 3:44
But I think we don’t have the patience.
Geoff 3:47
We don’t have the patience. Everything’s a TikTok. And we have songs in the TikTok, TikToks, which are actual songs.
Georgie 3:56
And they’re not original, which is the sad part. I think everybody uses, you know, you know, the one that I really don’t like that everyone keeps using is the Harry Styles song.
Geoff 4:06
What’s the Harry? Which one?
Georgie 4:09
It’s called “As It Was”.
Geoff 4:11
“As It Was”... as it was... Harry.
Georgie 4:17
And it’s, it’s this...
Geoff 4:19
Oh, this one? Right, right. Right. This is a fairly new one.
Georgie 4:23
When you hear it I think you’ll recognise it because it’s used in a lot of TikTok videos.
Geoff 4:29
I don’t I religiously do not watch TikToks, my sister would send them to me, and I’d be like, I’m not, “I don’t watch TikToks”. Like I just straight up. I don’t watch them.
Georgie 4:45
You have mad discipline. Because someone sends me a TikTok, I don’t even like, I don’t use the app. But I’ll be like, fucking fine. I’ll open it and fucking watch it.
Geoff 4:56
Is it funny?
Georgie 4:57
On the web. You know, you can, see that’s the thing, right? I, even if it was funny, I just find that I forget about it ten seconds later.
Geoff 5:07
That’s exactly what TikToks are for right? Next TikTok, next TikTok, next TikTok. What was the first one? No idea. Next one.
Georgie 5:14
No, yeah, you none of them really remain very memorable. And I think that kind of sucks and is maybe a little bit of a state for, I think evidence of how small people’s attention spans are these days.
Geoff 5:27
Yeah, I think someone said like TikToks, they’re just way too, like the algorithm is way too good. Is one of the best algorithms out there to keep you scrolling.
Georgie 5:39
Yeah, I think Instagram is the same. So I know this, because I have observed Nick using Instagram reels because he doesn’t often use Instagram for looking at people’s posts. But he uses it to look at reels. And he’s often spent 10 minutes just going reel after reel. And it’s very interesting watching how he interacts with them, like, there’ll be one that is related to like dancing, or some woman dancing, he doesn’t care, he’s just gonna go right past that. There’s something of like some girl putting on makeup or something he’s gonna go right past it, does not pertain to his interests. But then there’ll be something like a dog doing something funny, a cat doing something funny. And he’ll sit there and watch it. Maybe watch it like loop for like three times. And there’ll be some little clips of comedians saying a joke. Or people are doing their little rants with their little dances and shit or whatever. And so I can watch, I can see what he likes to watch. Listen to it, I bet this algorithm has taken this information, and continues to feed him the same stuff that I know he’ll just keep watching it over and over.
Geoff 6:44
That’s um—
Georgie 6:45
And, and you know, what? Oh, you know, it really annoys me is he’ll be like, “Hey, look at this, look at this” and, to reference a previous episode, I might be like taking a shit. And I’d be like, “dude, I’m just taking a shit”.
Geoff 6:58
(laughs)
Georgie 6:58
And he’ll be like, “No, no, you got to see this”, you know, and I’ll be in the middle of something like, I don’t know, maybe I’m cooking an egg or something. And he’ll be like, “No, you gotta see this”, and there is no great way—I think you have to hold the screen to pause—there’s no great way to then share that with somebody who you are with. They have to keep watching it, like, you have to keep watching it over and over several times to understand it.
Geoff 7:23
Yeah, you have to like, wait for the beginning part. And then be like, okay, you can look now, like.
Georgie 7:27
Yeah, or you might, I notice he sometimes gets a bit impatient. He wants to actually for himself, keep scrolling and watching which is all fine. But he wants to show me something at the same time. And he’s almost impatient to wait for me to finish what I’m doing for like, a couple minutes—
Geoff 7:42
Because he has to hold it.
Georgie 7:45
Because he has to hold it and not lose it somehow. And it’s kind of frustrating.
Geoff 7:49
You have to hold his shit.
Georgie 7:53
I’m taking a sh—
Geoff 7:54
Your, your hold, you have to release. And he has to hold.
Georgie 7:58
He has to, because I mean, unless he goes and uses the other toilet.
Geoff 8:01
Yeah, actually. So like, I like a momentary joke. I don’t know if it’s a joke, really. But my friend, he’s, he’s doing renovations in his new apartment. He’s like, I’m thinking of putting a second toilet in the same bathroom. I can’t tell if they’re joking or not? But like, the couple who shares—what’s the saying? It’s like, there’s a saying. There’s like, shits together, stays together or whatever. I don’t know.
Georgie 8:38
Yeah, something like that. They do all of this stuff together, and they... Yeah.
Geoff 8:44
And then I paused. I’m like, “Oh, maybe I do want a second toilet in the bathroom”.
Georgie 8:49
So you can take a poop in one. And you go and take a poop in the other one.
Geoff 8:52
Yeah, yeah, you can like pee at the same time. I don’t know. Anyways—
Georgie 8:58
But like, why in the same? Actually, fun fact, I cleaned. I cleaned out two toilets, the other day, go me.
Geoff 9:08
Yeah, nice. We have to get on top of that. Because we went to Perth last week—
Georgie 9:14
Trust me, they were not they were not cleaned for like, potentially like, two months.
Geoff 9:19
Oh, God, I think we’re on the same, because we went to Perth last weekend. And that was our cleaning day. So like, so is potentially also greater than a month?
Georgie 9:35
Yeah, so how was Perth?
Geoff 9:37
It was alright. It was very rushed. Like it was only barely three days. So we landed mid day. We landed midday on Friday after getting on an 8am flight, which isn’t too bad, and then flew at, on a 6am flight on Monday. So we woke up at like 3am.
Georgie 10:08
Shit.
Geoff 10:08
It was earlier than 3am to get to the airport to get a 6am flight. I haven’t done that a long time. But it cost us $600 to change the flight to like a 10am one. I paid with points. And they were like, there’s no point seats on this, this next flight so... so like, alright, let’s suck it up. We’ll do a 6am flight. Like, um, but yeah, usually I’m there for two weeks, or 10 days or something like that.
Georgie 10:42
Yeah.
Geoff 10:43
So this time, it was only a couple of days just to surprise my mum for her birthday. And I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this on the last podcast. But—
Georgie 10:54
You didn’t mention surprising your mum.
Geoff 10:56
Yeah, yeah. So I surprised my mum for our 60th birthday, which was Wednesday, Wednesday. Casually telling a bunch of strangers when my mum’s birthday is.
Georgie 11:07
Quick. Get that info.
Geoff 11:10
Quick, doxx me! So yeah, this is pretty fun. Because we basically landed midday, right. And the plan, we had this whole plan to surprise my mum, my dad would take my mum to my sister’s place and my sister, and take, will take the kids and my mum to a shopping centre to have lunch. So that’s like the plan. So my dad drops me off and then comes to pick us up and then we go to the same shopping centre to have lunch. So they’re a little bit ahead of schedule. Our plane was about half an hour late. So they had finished lunch essentially. But my sister was like, Cool, let’s try keep mum here. So they have a playground in the food court. Very handy. So like I’m gonna take the kids to the playground for a bit. So they went to the playground and me dad and my partner, like rocked up at the at the shopping centre. We got out, went to the, we got to the got to the food court before them because my mum went to the bathroom. And then they went to the playground and we were sitting about off centre, off to the side of the playground. So whilst my mum was looking around, my sister pulled out her phone and started like recording my mum. And my mum, you can see for a split second in the video like a little bit of a, “huh?”. But like, you’re pointing your phone at me? And then I I walked up from from behind her. I had no other di—I had no other angle. I could have like, circled all the way around, but I was like, whatever so I woke up behind it and I placed I just placed my hand on my mum’s back and then she turned around was like, “hey, what? Thought you cancelled your trip?” Yeah.
Georgie 13:09
Nice.
Geoff 13:11
So yeah, full full surprise. And then stayed the weekend. We did pottery painting, which was quite fun.
Georgie 13:22
Oh yeah.
Geoff 13:23
It’s really difficult to figure out what to paint on pottery. Unless you’re like super creative. Have you done pottery painting?
Georgie 13:32
No. So the thing’s not pottery, it’s not pottery, like the thing’s already made.
Geoff 13:37
Yeah, yeah, it’s pre made.
Georgie 13:38
OK.
Geoff 13:38
It’s not like kilned but it’s as if you had the clay you made like a bowl or something like that and then you put it there and then someone else will take it and paint it
Georgie 13:49
I feel like you’d have to plan what you want to put on it right, before you even like start, othewise I’d just been painting it blue.
Geoff 13:58
We wanted to prepare some, like wanted to do some kind of preparation, but we really didn’t know what was available to paint. Was it just gonna be bunch plates, bowls, mugs? But they had sake decanters and like a whole—
Georgie 14:15
Like a litt—
Geoff 14:15
Yeah, little cups and the bottle. The sake bottle.
Georgie 14:18
Oh, yeah, nice. Nice.
Geoff 14:20
Sake set...
Georgie 14:23
I’m just thinking like, how would I approach this?
Geoff 14:25
Yes, they had a whole like sake set here. Like something similar to this.
Georgie 14:33
I’m surprised Geoff. You didn’t just go, “Ah yeah, I’ll just paint it black”.
Geoff 14:35
Just paint it black. Yeah. Yeah, I could have just painted it black. But it’s really difficult. Because like, yeah, there’s infinite. My mum picked up a vase of some sort, a bowl that had like its swirl cut out in the side. So it’s not really like something you would put plants in or even eat out of because there’s a big cut out in the side, it’s a swirl. My mum’s super creative though, she’s like, I’m just gonna put a yarn ball in here, so that the yarn can actually come out of the swirl and it’ll roll in the bowl, so it will just roll out anywhere.
Georgie 15:13
Oh.
Geoff 15:13
Yeah. My mum’s super creative with that stuff. I’m like, why is this? Why is this bowl got a hole in it? Like what would you do with that? The cut out? So I chose a... drumroll.
Georgie 15:29
Dududududu.
Geoff 15:32
A bathroom dish, I think it’s called. I picked the bathroom dish. What’s the...
Georgie 15:40
Like? What is it? Oh, like a soap dish?
Geoff 15:43
Like a soap dish, like like this flat, this flat dish?
Georgie 15:47
Oh, one of these things? Yeah.
Geoff 15:49
I don’t know if it’s actually called a bathroom...
Georgie 15:50
Basically, I personally think they’re useless. Just like what the fuck is this for?
Geoff 15:54
Yeah, I didn’t know what it was for either.
Georgie 15:58
It’s just a plate, you put shit on it.
Geoff 15:59
Literally. So I picked it up. I’m like, is this a serving plate? Do you put like cheese and stuff on this? Or like bread? But then like, usually it’s wooden so that you can cut things on it. I’m like okay, that makes sense. And then I was I guess I can just place it on my whatever it is. I can place it on my desk and I can throw a bunch of stuff on it like keys and... I don’t use keys, shit. What do I... cars and stuff.
Georgie 16:23
Oh, you know what they’re called? They’re called a catchall.
Geoff 16:26
Catchall. Yeah.
Georgie 16:27
Like a catch alltray. Right?
Geoff 16:29
It could be a catch all. But then like, halfway through painting it. Like my partner’s like, by the way. No, no, no, at the end when when we paid for it came with the receipt. She’s like, “By the way you painted a bathroom tray”. And I’m like, “Okay”?
Georgie 16:48
Cool.
Geoff 16:48
I don’t have space at all in my bathroom to place the tray anywhere. But I basically, I sat down, I was like, okay, what am I going to do? Right? It’s a big ass rectangle, clean slate. How do I paint this? And I basically said, all right. Oh, I remember this—because I started reading One Piece recently—so I said a One Piece wallpaper. I had this other this idea of this. I remember, I remembered something from One Piece had a nice wallpaper. So I just went through images and I was like, Cool. I will paint this.
Georgie 17:23
Yeah.
Geoff 17:24
So let me describe it for everybody. It’s like a storm, it’s a stormy seas off on an angle on a kind of a, yeah, often an angle. There’s a ship on the water at a slant. And there’s like stormy skies. There’s some lightning. There’s some bright areas and mostly dark blue. And I was like, I’m gonna paint this masterpiece of an artwork, on my, on my. Yeah. On my thing. On this bathroom tray. I think I did ooookay. Let me, let me try to bring up a photo. Oh, no, I’m on a Windows machine. I can’t get to my to my photos. Anyways, I’ll just show here. So can you see that?
Georgie 18:23
Yeah, yeah. That’s pretty cool dude.
Geoff 18:26
Yeah. So I don’t know. It’s good. I don’t know how that’s gonna turn out because everything gets glossy. All the colors change when you put it into a kiln and everything gets like shiny ass. So I have no idea.
Georgie 18:39
No, I think it’ll look cool. I think it’ll still look cool. It might not be discernible as the original thing you intended for it to be but yeah, I think it looks like the colours are really nice.
Geoff 18:50
And yeah, that’s kind of like the battle. To be honest. When you’re doing this stuff. It has to be like an artistic interpretation, kind of watercoloury, have to like mesh together. Like I didn’t do a lion head in the middle of my tiny-ass ship. I just did a star shaped yellow splotch, right. So.
Georgie 19:08
Yeah.
Geoff 19:08
But in some places, I was like, oh, I gotta get this detail. I gotta get this detail, but you’re not gonna get the detail. And I was like, um, bit bummed that but I should have kept it artistic.
Georgie 19:20
Oh, yeah. To your actual question that you asked—
Geoff 19:22
Oh, yeah. True. Yeah. Back to that.
Georgie 19:25
Yes, so I ordered the M2 MacBook Air.
Geoff 19:28
Yeah.
Georgie 19:29
Actually, maybe by the time this episode is published, I might have it.
Geoff 19:33
Might have it.
Georgie 19:34
You can take a stab at which colour I got.
Geoff 19:37
You got the midnight colour? You got midnight blue.
Georgie 19:41
I did.
Geoff 19:41
Whatever it’s called.
Georgie 19:42
Yeah.
Geoff 19:42
Apparently it’s the worst colour.
Georgie 19:43
I know—apparently is the worst because it’s a fingerprint magnet. And you know, it’s interesting, because I did pay attention to the videos before it was released. And I think Marques Brownlee, MKBHD.
Geoff 19:59
Yeah, I watched that one recently, actually.
Georgie 20:01
Yeah, he said it looks like it’s a fingerprint magnet, the ones that he got to like have a look at, that everybody else kind of touched looked like it was attracting fingerprints. And he got that as well. I think so did iJustine, she didn’t say much about it.
Geoff 20:17
That’s weird because iJustine usually says stuff about that.
Georgie 20:21
No, she just said, “Oh, it’s got a bit” and she just wiped it and it was fine.
Geoff 20:24
OK she’s a bit more practical, oh, just wipe it off.
Georgie 20:29
Yeah. So Marques’s more detailed review, he said, yes, definitely still a fingerprint magnet. His assumptions were right. He said if he if you were thinking of getting this, his recommendation would be to not get it. If that’s something that bothers you the fingerprints, put a put a skin or a case on it, which is what he would do. And he said, or, just be really really careful with it.
Geoff 20:53
Yeah, he pauses.
Georgie 20:55
Yeah, I was—to be fair, that’s a fair suggestion. And it was something I thought of I thought alright, if this is gonna bother me, which I feel like I can’t really say yet, because I don’t know. Yeah, true. I don’t have it. And I haven’t... and then I started thinking about the phone I have which is the blue iPhone.
Geoff 21:11
You’re colour matching, of course.
Georgie 21:15
But the back—it’s not the same colour. But the back is shiny, of the 12 mini.
Geoff 21:19
Yes, yes.
Georgie 21:20
Compared to the 12 Pro. And that I already know to be a fingerprint magnet. I have to wipe it frequently if I don’t want the fingerprints to show up, but I don’t care because it’s the back.
Geoff 21:31
True. And how often—yeah, how often you going to actually look on the top of it, right?
Georgie 21:38
Yeah, but then I also thought hey, what if? What if all of these people—okay, when I say all of, I’ve, only YouTubers. What I’ve heard so far, that seems to be the general consensus. What if all of these people trying out the midnight laptop? Just have dirty hands?
Geoff 22:00
(laughs) They’re just grubby?
Georgie 22:04
Are your hands clean? What if you, what if I just yeah, what if I just wash my hands frequently? Or something? Or my hands is just not as oily as other people’s or something?
Geoff 22:13
Yeah.
Georgie 22:14
Maybe I’ll have not as bad a time. I don’t know. But I don’t know yet how much it’s actually going to bother me.
Geoff 22:20
Maybe you’re so disciplined.
Georgie 22:21
But I like blue. So everyone can go away.
Geoff 22:22
Yeah, maybe you’re disciplined enough not to touch your face ever.
Georgie 22:28
Yeah, I mean, like my mum works in skincare, right? And so she always said to me, like as a general thing, not just like because you don’t want to be touching your face where your hands have been, like maybe holding on to public transport poles and things like that. She said, use your um, your knuckles if you want, need to wipe your eye. Because it’s it tends to be cleaner than like the tip of your finger.
Geoff 22:48
Yeah, true. Thanks. It’s about like transference of the dirt that’s in your fingernails or the tips of your fingers, right, from whatever you’re touching onto your face. Which is—
Georgie 22:59
Yeah.
Geoff 22:59
But I can’t help it. I just go, oh, yep. Whatever. Like—
Georgie 23:06
As long as you shower.
Geoff 23:07
Yeah, yeah, wash hands all the time. I think I washed my hands. Like when when the whole COVID stuff started happening. Like wash your hands, like before and after you eat, or before whenever you get home. I’m just like, what? What’s different? Like, people don’t do this?
Georgie 23:22
I still, I still do that. Yeah, exactly. Like, I always wash my hands when I get home. Yeah.
Geoff 23:29
It’s...
Georgie 23:30
It’s, still, still do it people.
Geoff 23:31
Yeah.
Georgie 23:32
It’s a good habit.
Geoff 23:34
I have like kind of differing differing cleanliness, I guess, methodologies, you’d call it, to some other people. And for me, I like to keep myself clean more than I like to keep surfaces clean. Like I just prefer, like, but there are people who are like, need to keep surfaces clean. And and to a degree keep yourself clean. But to me, it’s sort of like there’s a like, alright, if the surface isn’t clean, as long as I, as long as I’m clean, like I’ll be happy. I’ll be fine.
Georgie 24:09
I think both for me personally, like if I can, like I can’t wipe down a food court table.
Geoff 24:15
Yeah, but, but you think about it, right? So you go to the office, right? And then you come back and then you sit on your couch.
Georgie 24:28
Are we talking about the whole street clothes thing?
Geoff 24:30
Yeah, the whole street clothes thing.
Georgie 24:30
Like, I don’t like to wear street clothes to bed.
Geoff 24:33
Yeah.
Georgie 24:34
Like I just don’t. But I will sit on the couch in street clothes. So so I’m aware the couch is not the cleanest, so I’m not gonna lie down naked on the couch.
Geoff 24:45
Yeah.
Georgie 24:47
After a shower, I’d probably put some clothes on first. Yeah.
Geoff 24:50
So like, so you wouldn’t, you would, you... So then on the weekend, do you sit on the couch in your in your sleep clothes.
Georgie 25:01
True, I do.
Geoff 25:02
Yeah.
Georgie 25:02
Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 25:03
So like, to some it’s like, that’s kind of not acceptable in terms of because the surface is like unclean. So therefore if you do clothes on the surfaces that are unclean, then you’ve basically made your clothes unclean. And I hadn’t really thought about it until recently, because my partner’s kind of like a little bit into that. So I’m like, oh yeah.
Georgie 25:26
Everything’s dirty.
Geoff 25:27
Everything is dirty. So, so yeah, I’m like, oh, yeah, I can see how like, why would I want to sit on the train and then sit on my own couch and then come out in my pajamas and sit on the couch again?
Georgie 25:42
I think people don’t think about it.
Geoff 25:44
Yeah.
Georgie 25:44
You know, like, people just don’t think—I actually saw a reel on Instagram, sorry to get into this—I saw a reel on Instagram, by a person who worked in retail. And then the reel showed, like two clips put together, I guess. The first one was like, “before working in retail”, and you buy new clothes. And she was just looking at them. And then she just wore them without washing them.
Geoff 26:09
Oh...
Georgie 26:09
Then it said “after working retail”, and she had a whole basket of clothes and she was just throwing them into the into the washing machine.
Geoff 26:15
Yeah, you wash your clothes before you wear them. It’s important.
Georgie 26:19
Yeah.
Geoff 26:20
But yeah, I have a—
Georgie 26:22
I gotta admit... I haven’t, or there are some times when I have not done that. I was like, oh, damn it. Thanks for the reminder.
Geoff 26:31
Yeah, back to the reel thing, actually. Yeah, you mentioned something that made a little bit more sense in terms of how the algorithms are way better on these short videos. And that is like, people who sit there can repeat watch it. Whereas, like a photo, I don’t know if you can actually, like if someone opens a photo and looks at the photo longer. Does that mean that they want more of the same photo? Does that work that way? Because videos, I think, it’s like the watch time, right? Like they’ve watched this five times, x, x number of times means ranking. But like, can you do that with a photo?
Georgie 27:12
You probably can. But I don’t think you can assume as much as you can. With a video.
Geoff 27:17
Yeah, true. True. And then like—
Georgie 27:20
With the video, I feel like you can just assume, okay, they’ve, they’ve actually sat there, whereas with a picture, they might have just, they could have been scrolling past. They could have just opened one to have a quick look or something. I don’t think you can fully assume that that is something that they’re super interested in.
Geoff 27:35
Yeah. I think the algorithm’s gotten better for me on Instagram again. So I’m getting more more keyboards than anything these days because because you know what, after building a PC and use, getting a big monitor, I must have a new keyboard to go with all of the gear. Have I told you about my obsession with having a knob on the keyboard? A knob, like a dial.
Georgie 28:02
Is that the one in the middle?
Geoff 28:03
No, a dial on the top right. So where you would have maybe your Delete key. So—
Georgie 28:10
What is it for?
Geoff 28:10
What’s it for? Well, you can actually program it to do anything. So my idea—
Georgie 28:18
Anything?
Geoff 28:19
Yeah anything. I can even press the button and it will order, I’ll turn the dial. It’ll order me donuts.
Georgie 28:25
Yeah. I was gonna ask, can it make me a cup of tea?
Geoff 28:30
Yeah, but the idea is like I find that it’s really hard to scroll horizontally with a mouse because I don’t use the Magic Trackpad anymore.
Georgie 28:39
I love the Magic Trackpad.
Geoff 28:40
Yeah, I love, I love it too but it can only pair to one computer at a time.
Georgie 28:45
Wait, we talked about this, I said go get a bloody—go get a USB cable and for—wait, haven’t we talked about this?
Geoff 28:51
Yeah, yeah, but I don’t want to wire my mouse.
Georgie 28:56
No, no, no, what I mean is you plug it in to the so I have a trackpad which I use with my work laptop our personal laptop, sometimes it won’t connect immediately so I forced connected by getting this cable that it always have plugged in my computer to plug it in, connect it and then just disconnect it and use the cable for something else.
Geoff 29:14
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 29:15
And it connects to my computer that I want to use.
Geoff 29:18
But the thing is, right. Does it work on Windows?
Georgie 29:25
Actually, you’re right. I haven’t actually tested—
Geoff 29:27
How to use Magic Trackpad 2 on Windows 10, 11. Hey.
Georgie 29:33
I’m sure it can at least connect and you figure out how. It may not work effectively.
Geoff 29:37
Oh my god, this looks like a lot of effort, which I would probably go through if I could.
Georgie 29:42
Oh, no, you have to install a driver. No, nope, no.
Geoff 29:46
Yeah, third party drivers. Anyway, so I’ve got my mouse, my arguably gaming mouse, connected to a switch and the switch is between my Macbook and my PC. Anyway, so that’s all I need for the 1% of the time I need to side scroll, I would like a dial on my, on my keyboard so that I can spin the dial to scroll sideways. And then, because new keyboard will potentially not have an F row, so there’ll be no functions.
Georgie 30:21
Oh right.
Geoff 30:22
So I can use a modifier key like a function key to turn it into a dial for volume. So I could have it volume dial and then press the Function key and scroll side to side, side to side. So I’m trying to solve, like find the parts that I like about the function row or the Magic Trackpad and just put it all in the dial. And I’ll be, I’ll be, I’ll be good because I want kind of want a smaller keyboard. This one’s a bit—I keep, my keyboard has a dedicated screenshot button. Like...
Georgie 30:55
Wait, isn’t it that the Print, Print Screen!
Geoff 30:57
Not Print Screen, because that takes the whole one, right, this one lets you drag a square. Square.
Georgie 31:03
Okay, nice.
Geoff 31:04
Yeah, it’s nice, except that it’s right above the backspace key. So I hit it quite often. And then all functions of the keyboard stop working until you take the screenshot. So I’ll hit it, I’m like typing, like wait a second, why can’t I type anymore? It’s because I hit the screenshot cropping tool. But it is quite handy. Doesn’t work on Windows, though.
Georgie 31:29
Pathetic. So, so yeah, anyway, I got the 10 core.
Geoff 31:35
You got the 10 core? Really? Yeah. Did you optimize the SSD? Like the storage like MKBHD suggested?
Georgie 31:42
I did RAM but I, I did five, it comes with 512 already. For me was is enough, because my current one is 256. So.
Geoff 31:54
Right. So.
Georgie 31:55
Yeah.
Geoff 31:55
Upgrade to 16 gig. Whoa, did you upgrade the power adapter?
Georgie 32:01
Nah, I just got the, the other one that has the dual. Yeah.
Geoff 32:06
Wow. Ten, ten core. Where’s the ten core option?
Georgie 32:10
Yeah, so Nick was saying that—you, I think you just clicked on it. Did you click on it?
Geoff 32:14
No, I clicked the unified memory 16 gig.
Georgie 32:16
Nah if you go back, you had the first—
Geoff 32:19
8 core, oh, it’s on the one on the right. Oh you see it vert—inverted. Oh, wow. Why did you choose the ten core one?
Georgie 32:30
Because I just listened to Nick because I really hate thinking about tech stuff. So you were asking me like what made me decide? Okay, so I have a, what is it called? The 2015 Retina MacBook Pro? Yeah, the one that you call the—
Geoff 32:43
The golden?
Georgie 32:43
Yeah, yeah, the golden era, or whatever. So I was very reluctant to get rid of it at any stage, obviously, during the past few years, even though it started to just struggle like to when I opened a million browser—I don’t open a million browser tabs, I’m exaggerating.
Geoff 33:00
“When I open a million, but please, no, I don’t do that”.
Georgie 33:04
Yeah, it’s just it’s, it’s one of those devices that starts to feel old as newer devices come out.
Geoff 33:12
Yeah, I mean, that is...
Georgie 33:14
Since I’ve had it.
Geoff 33:15
For seven years, that’s a long time for a laptop to survive, to be honest.
Georgie 33:21
Yeah. So Nick said, suggested, because Nick knows better about these things than I do. He suggested getting the 10 core because he said if you want it to last as long as this one and you don’t plan to upgrade it.
Geoff 33:35
Investment.
Georgie 33:35
Probably just. Yeah.
Geoff 33:38
So Nick is wise.
Georgie 33:42
Yeah, and I don’t do and I know, I don’t know if anyone cares about the fact that it’s an Air, but it’s basically, come on. It’s just, it’s mi—whatever it is. It’s miles better than this one machine that I have right now.
Geoff 33:54
Well, I mean, if you looked at like the next one up, isn’t that the same price?
Georgie 34:01
Which, what do you mean?
Geoff 34:01
Oh, to be fair, they didn’t make an M2 16 inch Pro, did they.
Georgie 34:07
No, they didn’t.
Geoff 34:08
Right. Right. They just did an M2 13 inch. But that’s the argument, right? I guess I guess maybe you watched MKBHD as well. The price gets awfully close—
Georgie 34:18
I don’t need—
Geoff 34:19
To the—
Georgie 34:20
The, exactly. And I don’t need all of the, I honestly don’t need all of the features of the that they’ve been putting in the pros.
Geoff 34:28
Yeah, you don’t need sustained, tou don’t need the sustained workflow. Like you’re not rendering videos or something or anything like that.
Georgie 34:34
Exactly. Like literally the most I do is like surf the internet, talk to fucking Geoff...
Geoff 34:41
$2K laptop, talk to Geoff. Surf the internet.
Georgie 34:47
Surf the internet, talk to Geoff. Do, like write some blog posts, like it’s not very—
Geoff 34:52
It’s a high performing blogging machine. But you just want it reliable, I get that. Like you want to build, you want to buy something that’s reliable, you can take it somewhere because obviously it’s lighter than most laptops.
Georgie 35:09
Portable, woo,
Geoff 35:09
Yeah travel, whenever we do that, which I totally want to go to Japan because I just saw some YouTubers go to Japan (whispers) I don’t know if that’s going to come out in the in the audio, actually, I said it too quietly: if they can go to Japan, I can go to Japan. But I don’t have any leave because you know, your MacBook has—
Georgie 35:32
Oh no.
Geoff 35:32
Your MacBook survived like three job changes. Like I’ve changed jobs three times and the lifespan of your, of your laptop. (laughs)
Georgie 35:43
Such a weird way to think about it, huh. Yeah.
Geoff 35:46
So yeah, the oh—I didn’t, wait, did I buy something? No, we already talked about my vacuum cleaner. That’s fine.
Georgie 35:56
Yes. We had a whole episode about it.
Geoff 35:58
Whole episode about that. Oh, yeah, Perth, right. So yeah, I went pottery painting were which was interesting. And they have this chart thing, which is kind of cool where they show you if you paint one layer this is the color that’s going to come out when it’s kilned. And you paint three layers, this is the darkest version of that colour. That that happens—
Georgie 36:21
Sounds like those hair coloring charts. Like if you have light hair this purple is going to come out a bit like bright purple, if you have dark hair, what is come out is just like barely noticeable.
Geoff 36:33
That’s interesting. I didn’t know that I guess like triple, quadruple dyeing your hair makes sense to get darker colour. Ooh, there you go. No it’s not, that’s just colours.
Georgie 36:43
No, if you look up hair colour, like dyeing, or something.
Geoff 36:47
Yeah colour dyeing chart. Oh no, don’t show me just dying hair. I don’t want to see hair dying. Charts...
Georgie 36:59
Just trying to see an example of one where...
Geoff 37:01
Anyway. Yes, they gave us these charts. But it’s kind of like, my mum was painting this pretty elaborate thing she, on the inside it was kind of like, do you know the Malaysian, the the national flower of Malaysia?
Georgie 37:20
I don’t think I do?
Geoff 37:21
I think you’ll know when you see it. Oh no, it’s the hibiscus. Seriously? No, it’s called the corpse but wow.
Georgie 37:30
What?
Geoff 37:31
Oh, no, that’s a corpse flower. Oh, damn it now. Oh, the stinky corpse lily, that’s the one. Stinky corpse lily.
Georgie 37:37
Oh, wait, is that? That’s not the flower—
Geoff 37:40
No, it’s not, it’s not the flower that I thought it was, so after googling it, made me embarrassed.
Georgie 37:45
You know what, this looks like Vileplume.
Geoff 37:48
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it looks like Vileplume.
Georgie 37:51
you know why? No, that is because when I was when I was younger, I tried to draw. I think that was only one.
Geoff 38:01
Yeah, that is Vileplume. That’s why, actually‚
Georgie 38:04
Fucking love it. I’m gonna draw one right now. Maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll like take a photo of it.
Geoff 38:10
Actually, it’s kind of accurate because this is called the stinky corpse flower. So Vileplume, being, is a stinky Pokemon. So stinky poisoned Pokemon. So that’s really accurate. So my mum painted somewhat of a similar pattern on the inside of her bowl. And then she was like, like half, like three quarters of the way through the session. And she had finished the inside, she’s like I have no idea what to paint on the outside. Oh yeah. You did pretty well.
Georgie 38:45
Smiling too much.
Geoff 38:46
You didn’t—nah, there’s a smile. It’s definitely a smiley Pokemon.
Georgie 38:49
Oh it’s Gloom, Gloom’s the one that’s drooling hey.
Geoff 38:52
Bit gloomy.
Georgie 38:54
I forgot how, is it sitting? Does Vileplume sit?
Geoff 38:59
I guess it does, its plushy sits.
Georgie 39:02
Oh, yeah, I did alright. Yeah, but yeah, I was very obsessed with drawing that when I was a kid because I just got really good at it.
Geoff 39:08
Yeah, it’s a—
Georgie 39:09
Muscle memory.
Geoff 39:10
It’s a clay, it’s like a It’s a clay figurine with a flower on top of its head so yeah, my mum painted something similar to this pattern on the inside of her bowl. And then she was like, “What do I do for the outside?” and then ended up you know, I’ll show I’ll show a picture when, when it’s all out because it takes four—fourteen days, like two weeks, two to three weeks so I’m gonna have to pick it up when I get back to Perth the end of the year.
Georgie 39:40
Will they ship it to you.
Geoff 39:42
Oh no. Well mine’s a flat, nothing, so it might ship well.
Georgie 39:47
Could, padded envelope.
Geoff 39:48
Yeah. But yeah, that’s that’s what I did. Oh, my partner did a did a waffle. Like it’s in the shape of a heart like a waffle bowl, shape of a heart and that’s going to be used for snacks, obviously like it’s just going to have ice cream. It’s going to have everything in there.
Georgie 40:07
Nice.
Geoff 40:10
So yeah, that’s that’s about it. We didn’t do very much else besides lunch. Had fish and chips. And I was like, oh man, Fish Butchery, is very much better?
Georgie 40:23
Oh, there’s one like near me and—
Geoff 40:25
Oh my god, that’s the one I go to every month.
Georgie 40:28
Oh, tell me more about it right because we were like planning to go there but we haven’t—
Geoff 40:32
It’s expensive.
Georgie 40:33
...actually been there, like so what is it like?
Geoff 40:36
It’s like the lightest crispiest, it’s not a beer batter or crumb or anything on the outside. I don’t even know how to describe it. But it’s light and crispy. Oh, you know yam, you know when you go to like yum cha. And they give you the fried yam with the with the wispy fried bits on the outside. I don’t know if you—
Georgie 40:58
I’m trying to remember. I can’t remember. I feel like I’ve had it before, but I don’t remember what it tastes like.
Geoff 41:04
Like this, the crispy. Like this.
Georgie 41:09
Yeah, I vaguely remember.
Geoff 41:11
So it’s like that. It’s kind of like, you haven’t eaten it before. But this is flaky so it’ll, it’ll come off really easily. It’s soft, and it’ll melt. And this is kind of the texture that comes off this fried, this fried fish, piece of fish. And it’s and it’s really good. It’s seasoned, quite nicely. And then it’s—
Georgie 41:35
Fuck, should try it.
Geoff 41:35
Kinda it’s on the lighter side. So even though you look at it, and you’re like, oh, man, it’s gonna be heavy oil. It’s like the lightest fried fish you’ll have. And the chips. But it is $18 for a kid’s meal. The fish and the chips.
Georgie 41:54
Is that like fish and chips? Yeah. How? How sizeable would you say it is?
Geoff 41:58
I’d say it’s good enough for me to be comfortable after eating it. I got the adult, I got the adult version one time, which is I think 25 to 30 percent bigger than it. And—
Georgie 42:10
Yeah.
Geoff 42:11
I was I was a little bit too full. You probably eat a bit more than me. So you might have—
Georgie 42:16
Oh. Yeah.
Geoff 42:17
But the adult one’s $22. This is $22 with just fish and chips but but it’s damn good.
Georgie 42:23
Like see, I, 18 sounds fine for fish and chips. Like there’s a there’s one near us that gives you a massive serving of like fish, and like a lot of chips.
Geoff 42:34
But it’s—
Georgie 42:35
I don’t like it like it’s it’s like so much. So I’d rather have something—like I’m really conscious of food wastage these days.
Geoff 42:42
Yeah.
Georgie 42:42
So like, I’d rather get something that even if it is more expensive. It’s like—
Geoff 42:48
Yeah, I agree.
Georgie 42:49
Not too much food.
Geoff 42:50
Exactly. I’d prefer, yeah. Something I can finish rather than paying less for something I can’t finish.
Georgie 42:58
Yeah, and it’s even worse if it tastes like shit.
Geoff 43:01
Yes. So Nick will definitely have to go for the adult version. Maybe you will get the adult one so that you can give him a bit more. Because it’s there. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, when I go monthly board games, usually it’s Zetland these days and I would just have Fish Butchery, every, every time.
Georgie 43:26
Nice.
Geoff 43:27
My friend said that he had some people come from internationally, international visitors. And they even knew about it and they had like booked or pre ordered their fish and chips to go get like, “What would you guys like for lunch?” “I’ve already ordered Fish Butchery so I’m gonna go get that”.
Georgie 43:47
So it’s like people know, wow, okay.
Geoff 43:49
I think yeah, because the chef Josh Niland he he appears on MasterChef Australia and MasterChef Australia is watched by the like internationally.
Georgie 44:04
Except I don’t watch it, so.
Geoff 44:08
Yeah, you know what, the recent seasons they’re trying really hard to keep like the excitement but I’m, I’m also being like, it’s getting a bit cheesy.
Georgie 44:19
Oh my god, you know, speaking of cheesy, right, we were watching... there’s just on YouTube. Sometimes you find yourself in a hole or—
Geoff 44:28
(laughs) You’re giving an explanation for why you’re here.
Georgie 44:33
Yeah, we were watching some people on those fucking talent shows and—
Geoff 44:37
Oh I do too.
Georgie 44:37
I just cannot stand the hosts of the talent shows.
Geoff 44:42
Oh yeah.
Georgie 44:42
They’re just sounds so over the top. I’m like, Are you acting because it’s really getting on my nerves.
Geoff 44:47
Yeah, yeah. They definitely do it over the top. And you know what isn’t over the top, the ending to our—episodes! So you can follow us on @toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter.
Georgie 45:05
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Geoff 45:16
And new episodes every Monday. So see you next week.
Georgie 45:22
Bye!