SEO is bullshit, your secondhand items are not worth as much as you think they are, and your social media handles don’t matter.
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SEO is bullshit, your secondhand items are not worth as much as you think they are, and your social media handles don’t matter.
Geoff 0:08
And welcome back to another episode of toasts and roast. I'm your Jeff and I'm here with your Georgie.
Georgie 0:17
No one owns me, bitch. I own myself? Yeah?
Geoff 0:23
I mean, that's why it goes, George, Georgie is your Georgie? I don't know Georgie is Georgie. So how's your house has? I mean, we had a long weekend, and that's Yeah,
Georgie 0:40
and that, incidentally, is when we Yeah, when we didn't have an episode. So obviously, was like,
Geoff 0:44
Hey, we took a break. Yeah, dated our, dated our episode.
Georgie 0:48
My friends, secretly, no, we do? We record them ahead of time, yeah. Well, now they know. Also
Geoff 0:53
mentioned that he, he reckon, he now knows the timeframe, because we mentioned something that he mentioned last other week. And I'm like, How do you know that delay the mentioning of it? And he was like, Yeah, touche, but we should
Georgie 1:12
just mix it up. We should just once we have a proper backlog, which now I've just revealed that we don't
Geoff 1:18
mix them all up. Yeah,
Georgie 1:21
I mean, but does it matter? Because it really doesn't. I don't think it matters. So I listened to a podcast recently where she interviewed. It's called wardrobe crisis, and it's about, like, sustainability and fashion. And she does a lot of interviews the host, and I noticed on some of them, she said, Oh, we recorded this last year or whatever. So I'm like, it doesn't matter. It's more about, like, bringing out an episode every week or whatever, about a topic. And it doesn't really matter exactly when it was, like, recorded. And that's also what we do when we record stuff we don't really talk about, yeah, shit that happened, like
Geoff 1:54
today. I mean, it becomes a problem when you see, like, a real or a some kind of blog post, like, with, like, 10 tips for traveling to Japan, and they mentioned, you you must get the JR Pass. And it was like, it's really good value, and you want the for like that dated bullet trains, because it's dated, and it's actually no longer good value. They they price hiked it, and, yeah, it's, it's no longer like good value, so that they dated themselves. But
Georgie 2:33
then most, I mean, I would say most blog posts have a date on them, so you could see, I guess
Geoff 2:40
it was a reel then just like a quick 10 tips, yeah. And
Georgie 2:44
then it's really hard to see on reels what the date was, yeah. Also, I think with some blogs, because some of them are hardcore SEO fanatics, is they'll start updating those posts to have the current year to say, like, 10 blah, blah, blah in 2024, but then the content is actually not updated. And that really frustrates me, because I'm like, I know you fucking did that to get more
Geoff 3:09
look at this shit. By the way. Just as a note for everyone who doesn't work in Web, SEO is a lie. It's black magic. It doesn't exist. Don't get fooled. So
Georgie 3:24
then explain why if you type my blog name, actually, maybe this would explain why you type Hey, Georgie, to Google. Yeah, any search engine you will get Pennywise from Stephen King's It, or the movie that's based on Stephen King's book. It I get
Geoff 3:42
Georgie. Oh, well, they
Georgie 3:46
you're but you're on cog but, yeah, it's, I think on Google you, you see all of that shit, and then you'll see my blog, which I just find funny.
Geoff 3:57
I don't know your top result for me, but
Georgie 4:00
yeah, okay. But what's interesting that somebody noticed that, like, went that they, like, they just asked, What's, what's the name of your blog? Because I think I met them at like, an event or something, so I didn't tell them the URL. I just said, my blog is called Hey Georgie. Yeah, trusting and knowing that it would come up, like, at least on the first page, yeah. And when they were quite impressed, they're like, oh, that's some good SEO. Just type in, hey, Georgie, and it's like, there.
Geoff 4:23
So I think at one point, honest, like, like, I'm talking about modern web, I guess so, but at one point, SEO did matter. That's why we have SEO these days. For those who don't know, search engine optimization is the full name for, like, the full in
Georgie 4:42
a sentence. It's kind of like you want to be in the first page of search results for stuff, I think, yeah, a general goal and how to hack that shit?
Geoff 4:49
Yeah. So people used to hack this shit out of, like, their keywords in their content. So if you want to be known for I don't. Know computers, you would you would load a bunch of terms about computers so that the rudimentary search will go, Ah, this page has a lot of things about computers, so I will lift that page up to the front of first page of Google, and the website will be there because they know a lot about computers on their website, and of course, you get shitty results because they probably didn't know anything about computers, and just like, chucked a bunch of random words on the page. But I'm pretty sure nowadays is black magic. There's no surefire way of getting on the front page. Google's got too much magic
Georgie 5:42
the sponsored stuff as well. So I don't know if you're if you type into Google Campaign Monitor, which is, like the brand that I work for, not that, not the company, but the brand. There's a bunch of sponsored posts, I think before it okay,
Geoff 6:00
oh, wait, I don't get it. Oh, wait. Oh, right. I think I have a VPN or something, okay,
Georgie 6:07
but yeah, when we type most people, I think we realized when we type our product name, Campaign Monitor, blah, blah, blah, email marketing every there were like five sponsored results before it for like, our essentially competitors, like MailChimp fucking Klaviyo and like, some other stuff. And I tried to
Geoff 6:25
explain your product today, actually, I think yesterday, you were trying to explain, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, explaining to someone who doesn't know at work, no, yeah, at work, who doesn't actually know what they would use their service for. Like, email management doesn't make sense to them because they've never had to manage emails. You know, yeah, like Gen z's,
Georgie 6:51
honestly fucking Whoa.
Geoff 6:55
That's a full on shade on Gen z's. But I reckon it's like you think about the modern day person not actually needing to be paying attention to emails, or even,
Georgie 7:06
I think, think of it from a consumer perspective. So say, like, you know, do you sign up to anybody's mailing list for, like, blah, blah, yeah, just like subscriptions
Geoff 7:12
or like, at, like, at, like, what ads? And they were like pamphlets, and I'm like, no, like, email ads. I
Georgie 7:21
think just email subscriptions, right? Surely people at least know that it's like, sign up for mailing list or whatever. Are they really that young, that all they see is, like, on social media? Yeah?
Geoff 7:32
I mean, that's it's King right now. That's why SEO is, like, a lie.
Georgie 7:36
Yes,
Geoff 7:37
that's true. Anyways, you're totally sponsored. Yeah?
Georgie 7:42
So anyway, yeah, searching Campaign Monitor. I was just yeah, you Yeah. So you were saying that it's like black magic, snake oil, whatever. And I was also gonna say there are multiple things at play here. It's also that I think some people, perhaps like millennials and older, are becoming more tech savvy in that they know that they're not gonna find the answer necessarily on the first page of the search engine. That's true, like, if you want deeper quality information, whoever's fucking jizzed SEO on their fucking website and gone on the front page, that doesn't matter, because we know that we will start looking for more information or looking at different sources, and we're not going to rely on that first page of Google kind of thing. Whereas, you know, I would say, like, 15 years ago, people would kind of rely on that, yeah, not know any better.
Geoff 8:35
What? What would you say is a topic that frequently comes up in your blog posts that you can possibly ask a question to Google about to get that blog post.
Georgie 8:46
Well, I know that I had a very popular blog post called for the tale of Fortune Jimmy, a PayPal scam, because it was a scam that happened on pay PayPal, and the person was pretending to be this person called fortune Jimmy, which I think, if I remember correctly, it's from Nigeria, trying to get people's money. I reckon, like, it was very popular, yeah, there you go. Yeah. Holy, it
Geoff 9:12
came up on the first I mean, I have, I have a lot of things going on that block, sponsored post, sponsored, sponsored websites on Google. I think I don't even know anymore. To be fair, I sign up for a lot of services that are different layers of Ad blocking and different layers of like anonymizing myself, so I think my search is at least a little a cut above the regular search. So, I mean, this is pretty impressive, though. Yeah.
Georgie 9:45
So this was, yeah, that's the actual date 2012 So yeah, this was when I got this. And what I did was, in this post, I wrote about my experience, like getting this strange email that seemed to be from PayPal or whatever, or someone was trying to get me to send the money in PayPal to buy. It was like a Samsung Galaxy Note two. Yes, kids that existed, we're up to these days. And I actually put the contents of Yeah. It was Yeah, Galaxy Note two. So
Geoff 10:13
I'm thinking, how long, how many notes we've I mean, it's 2024, so note 12, probably.
Georgie 10:21
So I put the contents of the email, like, the suspicious stuff into that blog post. Like, I put a lot of details in. And I guess other people who were going to be scammed must have looked it up as well, because I got quite a few comments on it, yeah, to say, like, Oh, thank you. Like, I thought this was legit, and then I saw your blog post or whatever. That's
Geoff 10:42
why you want to keep your comments, right? This is the one post that you want to keep comments for. Yeah, look at this. She got famous off this. She doesn't want to, don't let it go. It's actually pretty impressive in the comments, and you have like, nested like comment.
Georgie 11:02
Oh yeah, I did like, Yeah, can you can reply to people and stuff. I think probably comments are disabled now, maybe because the post is so old, and I was like, I just automatically disabled them. And yeah,
Geoff 11:13
anyways, so SEO existed, and
Georgie 11:16
I didn't try to do anything with this. I just wrote my fucking experience with
Geoff 11:21
details and this, I think this is a perfect example of what people assume they should get when they ask Google they, they probably assume that they should get some relevant ass results, right? Your your Taylor, forge, Jimmy, PayPal scam is a good one, and everything else is just I don't think this is irrelevant. Like To be honest, everything else is irrelevant on this front page, but Google actually gradually introduced other factors to get on the front page, such as web like, actual optimization of your web pages. And what we mean is like, Oh, does it load fast? Is the content relevant and optimization thing, right? Yeah. Optimize. Yeah, yeah. It's like, how fast does this page load? Is it a good experience for someone to land on your page and get the information immediately? And how fast do they get that information from your page? And that's where I think they really went into the black box era, where they're introducing more and more conditions on what is supposed to be. You know, I'm sure you don't want to get a relevant result, but actually, the website's broken. That's probably not a great look for Google. So I understand that they wanted to put this little, you know, seasoning on your season. But now who knows? Like, is it that your post is relevant? Is it because you've super optimized your page speed, load speeds, or is it something else? You know, there's so many factors. Yeah, another
Georgie 13:18
interesting one is businesses. So like you looked up yourself just earlier, if you look up me, there is someone with the same name as me who is, like a psychologist or something, also in Australia. And so she obviously has some I don't know what she's done SEO wise, but she's registered a business on Google under her name, which is, you know, very allowed. She can do that. And so if you look up my name, Georgie Cook, she will come up, and more than anything to do with me myself,
Geoff 13:52
I see you have georgiecook.com as well.
Georgie 13:54
So the story is, and I doubt they're gonna listen to this podcast, but the web development agency that built her website called me. I was like, Can we buy georgie.com from you? At this point, I was recently married and changed my name, so sure as hell wasn't gonna give that one up. I don't know if I should feel bad, because it's not my birth name, but whatever names are another thing, yeah, but the offer that they made me was kind of poor. I was like, This is my name we're talking about. It's not just like some, you know, domain name of the silly ones that I would have registered when I was a teenager, and you just want it because that's your business name. This business name. This is, like, literally, my name. And then they kept trying to increase the price, and I just thought, you just can't put a price on my name. And this is not, this
Geoff 14:52
is the problem with Real Estate Sellers, by the way. Yeah, get to that second. Okay.
Georgie 14:56
So I just refused. Because I just thought it's just not enough. You can't even if you gave me a lot, I probably wouldn't take you'd have to give me a million. But I think it was like because it was really new to me. It's not like something I'd had lying around that I didn't do anything with. What made it worse was that it was new at the time, newish, right? I'd register it, and I was going to move my portfolio with my maiden name to it, and it was more of an incentive for me to actually do something with the domain, because someone wanted to buy it. So I think unfortunately, maybe fortunately, unfortunately, she got the.com.au version, because she's based in Australia, yeah. And then it's kind of like, despite what you said about SEO being like, snake oil, and like, you know, total BS, like, she still managed to somehow get us, like, you still type her name. And, yeah, okay, I come up there too. And it's just like, well, I've got a common name, Georgie cook. There are other Georgie cooks out there, like, and I think this is also kind of like, Why does anyone give an actual shit? Like, why did we give a shit about getting the same handle on every social media or, like, trying to one character person or two character person on Twitter? Like, really cares about that anymore these days, because there are so many people in the world.
Geoff 16:19
Yeah. I mean, it was, it was at the at the beginning of the era, so it was very, I think we had very few people on the internet, so it became, I don't know, a little bit of an obsession, but yeah, nowadays it's sort Of like, are you actually providing anyone value? And their business, so they're obviously going to provide more value. But if she doesn't actually go up to someone and say, Oh, I'm a psychotherapist. My name's Georgie Cook, then I mean, does she? Does she come up as, like any kind of psychotherapist in Coffs Harbor, for instance, like, what do you bet that she comes up? Ah, nice thing. Nothing, right? Nothing about Georgie cook first page. So that's very interesting. That's kind of like, yeah, you're right. We obsessed about, you know, getting our name and getting the like, the handle or the SEO. We can Google our name and we're on the first page. By then my Instagram's up, like on on number two spot, and then my actual website, Jeffrey chong.com is on, like, the fifth This is
Georgie 17:40
also why it's, like, Voodoo or whatever, black magic kind of stuff. Yeah? Like, how did I get Hey, Georgie, my blog, which is a very common just, you know, how do I get that to appear when you just search it,
Geoff 17:52
yeah? Pennywise, obviously there
Georgie 17:55
for a while. You know what? I mean, I didn't do anything specific
Geoff 17:58
before Pennywise said it?
Georgie 18:02
No. Stephen King wrote that book in whatever, like, when I
Geoff 18:06
was a kid, yeah, book doesn't even come up. The movie came up instead of the book.
Georgie 18:12
Yeah, yeah. It's weird, because, like, not every book is, like, transcribed and put on the internet. Yeah, that's true, yeah. And it's specific to that scene, right? Where Pennywise, like, hey, Georgie, what a balloon. Yeah. So it's like, if that scene wasn't iconic, then you wouldn't see any of that when you type, hey, Georgie. So,
Geoff 18:31
so yeah, I'd argue that like their offer for your name was probably good, like to be looking bad now, right? Whatever, whatever they offered you for your name is just like, Yeah, whatever, because at the end of the day, they're a business, and you want the search results for psychotherapists in Coffs harbor to be the thing that gets you to the top of the page, not her name. Otherwise she'd have to, like, introduce herself to every person on earth, or into cough in Coffs harbor.
Georgie 19:07
But then imagine if I had done whatever, and then, like, she introduced herself as her name, and then I also introduced myself as my name. And then what if I had more like, stuff online around and I was more prominent,
Geoff 19:22
UI engineer in Sydney, yeah, like, as I'm not there, yeah, we're both not there. It's just, but if someone was like, if we're freelance and we're a business, then we would want UI engine, like, design engine, UI engineer in freelance.
Georgie 19:39
When you type freelance UI engineer in Sydney, yeah,
Geoff 19:44
I mean, you won't get any people anymore, right? Is it gonna freelance? Oh, wow, this person actually got to the top of freelance UI engineers. Shout out. That
Georgie 19:54
was another person as well.
Geoff 19:56
Good job. Gabriel hit Darla. Yeah, you win. I don't know how you did it, Gabriel, but this is impressive to be honest.
Georgie 20:11
Oh, wait, I actually know that person.
Geoff 20:12
I actually know Ms Cote. Do you know I used to work person, but he follows me on a lot of things, and I think we're in similar Slack channels
Georgie 20:25
as well. Yeah, like he's kind of in our sort of
Geoff 20:29
community, yeah, sphere. So good job. Gabe, Gabriel, you got the top spot. You even got like eight spot, because that about page is just so Chad. We also got some some recognizable names, such as Miska, but, but yeah, toast and roast. Toast, and podcast about in Sydney.
Georgie 21:06
Well, we're not gonna be there, yeah, as a place called toast and roast.
Geoff 21:11
I mean, if it's a podcast, see, this is why I don't tell the name. Oh, my God, we're like, toast and roast. Oh, wait,
Georgie 21:19
is that us at the top too.
Geoff 21:21
It is us at the top. Wait,
Georgie 21:22
is this rigged? Holy, wait. Okay, so we should, we should add when we named this podcast, when we named this we did not like, we kind of had a look and we saw other
Geoff 21:35
chongs podcast. Oh, this would be dangerous. Oh,
Georgie 21:39
did I
Geoff 21:41
works? Oh, no, wait, I actively not tell people the podcast name, maybe, maybe you do the search and see what it comes up with.
Georgie 21:52
Well, you want me to do it? Yeah, on my computer. Jeffrey,
Geoff 21:55
Google's podcast, yeah for Google. Okay, because I
Georgie 22:04
log out. How do I log out of Google? Sign
Geoff 22:09
outside podcast?
Georgie 22:10
Well, I don't know. Maybe I put it on my block. Okay, well, I got the same thing, toast, roast podcast series. Holy crap. Oh, wait, it's because we're the hosts in the metadata, yeah,
Geoff 22:21
yeah, yeah. So I don't actually tell people that, oh, but they can find but now they can find it if they know my name and I'd have a podcast. Oh no. No more work talk. No more bitching about
Georgie 22:35
Well, we haven't. We're still, like, safe for work, so it's failing me
Geoff 22:42
do so, so, yeah, I mean, this is kind of distributing the point, but, yeah, but
Georgie 22:50
because we didn't, I don't know it's interesting, though, because when you type toast and Rose, we came up. But is it just because we have a lot of episodes, because when we named this, we were just doing it after some like, group chat that we had, and we just looked and most of the other toast and roast, similarly named podcast didn't have too many episodes or so. We were just like, whatever. We don't want to think too hard about it.
Geoff 23:11
Yeah, can we get stats from Apple podcasts?
Georgie 23:17
I don't know, but every now and then I have a pee. Can see if anyone's left a review just waiting for something like these guys fucking suck.
Geoff 23:24
Yeah, okay. I think we need to maybe amend it. We need to be I still kind
Georgie 23:30
of use that summary. I feel like, yeah,
Geoff 23:33
yeah. In any case, yeah. All right. So I was telling some saying that this is a problem for sellers for some reason,
Georgie 23:47
like business sellers, or, You mean, like
Geoff 23:49
selling stuff, selling, selling a park, like selling, oh yes, yes, but I don't know what point that I said that had a story, yeah, because
Georgie 23:59
I was, I was talking about maybe, was it binding that donut? Mainly, oh no. It was talking about the Jimmy PayPal thing or,
Geoff 24:07
oh, right, no. Okay, so this is a different story to selling apartments, but the I've been recently selling a lot of my stuff, so I came across this scam again, and I don't think we've talked about this particular scam on this podcast, but it is a PayPal scam. So they start off by, like, giving you a pretty good deal. They just give you whatever they are you ask, you ask for. That's problem number one, is there a flag? Number one, if
Georgie 24:42
the person selling the item or no,
Geoff 24:44
so I'm selling the item, yeah, and someone's buying it from me. Star reviews anyways,
Georgie 24:50
yeah, that's what I said. I try to look if anyone's left review. No one has. But then I'm like, radar, please.
Geoff 25:00
Yes, we won't give a shit.
Georgie 25:02
We'll just first. You'll be like,
Geoff 25:06
yeah, you'll give us content. So they so they're offering me what I what I want immediately. But they say, Oh, we, let's do a PayPal transfer. And they will not, they will not accept any other type of transfer, even if you like. PayPal costs a lot to do in any case, and there so, so they're, they're trying to strong arm. You in the strong arm. Me into doing paper. I'm like, Okay, let's do PayPal. So I give them my paypal ID. I think because
Georgie 25:49
is that the page that you can give them and they give you money.
Geoff 25:53
So you for PayPal. You enter an ID to send money to, and you can send it or they it's not even the PayPal thing, because I think they do it with the with just straight bank details as well. So you give them the bank details and they and then you'll get an email, or they'll send you a screenshot or something. I can't remember what the exact thing is. You can request money as well. Yeah, you can request money. But the thing is, the scam is that, like, you'll get a screenshot or an email I got, all right, pay. Pay Id also works in some cases, because they can get they get you email anyways, so you get an email saying that the person is trying to send you money requires me to have a business account.
Georgie 26:45
And that's the scam.
Geoff 26:47
The scam is to is that you have to send, you have to spend $500 to upgrade your account to a business account. Sketchy PayPal. It could be a NAB account. It could it could be any bank account. Essentially, they're just like, like, it's super obvious when you don't have a bank account with the bank that is requesting you to upgrade to a business account.
Georgie 27:16
So fuck you. Ing, yeah,
Geoff 27:18
exactly, exactly so. So they're trying to get Westpac, who's Yeah, St George,
Georgie 27:30
no hate, no hate.
Geoff 27:32
But essentially, like scammers that they're trying to get you to, you have to send $500 to the person that is scamming you, essentially. And you
Georgie 27:44
think, but you think, your grade, yeah,
Geoff 27:47
well, sometimes they actually say it in the in the description, or to upgrade your your account to a business account so that someone can send you the money you need to send them $500 I'm like, This is too obvious. That's so fucked. Yes, yeah, yeah. So, so basically, they're just trying to, like, make you believe that, hey, you send $500 and your account will be upgraded, and then that you will receive the money.
Georgie 28:17
And why you have to fucking pay 500 that's such a lot of money anyway, for anything, even a subscription or like Patreon thing, it's pay $500 and you can hear our next podcast.
Geoff 28:32
We're gonna pay gate the next one. And I think this person also tried to convince me to to to send $500 because they also need to pay the fee of $5 the the $500 fee is also applicable to them.
Georgie 28:52
This is so right. Like,
Geoff 28:53
I see right through this, yeah, but like, imagine, like, you had a nab a St George account or something, and you're like, Oh, someone's gonna have to, like, BSP and account details, they're gonna send me money. So I need the business account. Because I don't know, I feel like there's a there's a lot of feeling around if you, if you receive money for, like, selling something, you need to be a business like that. That's so much simple logic. But of course, we know
Georgie 29:23
better. True, I know, yeah, I know. But it can feel it's so funny because, like, taxman asked me, like, oh, he asked Nick a couple of times in the past, have you earned an income from whatever? And Nick was, like, I sold some stuff on eBay. And
Geoff 29:36
he's like, that doesn't count. Yeah, yeah. It's like, like, cash transaction. If you pay someone cash, then, then no one knows you've been paid that cash. There's no no bookkeeping, no records. If
Georgie 29:51
I sell stuff on eBay, it's through like, I do get like, yeah, debit deposits,
Geoff 29:57
but you're not, you're not posing. As a business, and you don't have a BS, you don't have a business number. What
Georgie 30:05
point, though, does it? I think it's after you earn a certain amount, right, that it actually has to be a business. Yeah,
Geoff 30:11
I don't know. Actually, I signed up for, I signed up for a business number at some point because I was freelancing, and
Georgie 30:19
I had to get I had to reinstate mine, because I started venturing into some stuff, which I don't know if I want to talk about on podcast, but like, I came across someone on Instagram who was like, flipping, like, secondhand clothes, like she'd buy them and then she'd flip them for a profit. So she'd buy them for like, $100 dress, and then like, sell it for 300 and now she apparently earns like six figures from doing that. Yeah, she's managed to find her niche and whatever. And so for her, it's a business. I don't know about it, like, from a business tax perspective, but that seems like a lot of money to kind of warrant. Like you're making an income from this, yeah, yeah.
Geoff 31:00
I'm not entirely sure at what point it becomes income.
Georgie 31:04
Oh, yeah, but just tax man told me, like, if I start earning more than, like, I think it was, it's $70,000 or something on my thing. Then he was like, then you got to do stuff. And I'm like, okay, cool. I don't have to worry about it now, because I'm not earning anything.
Geoff 31:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any case, I've been selling a lot of stuff. It's been really annoying. Because what's the
Georgie 31:25
annoying? What's the most annoying part? If you had to put number one most annoying thing about selling stuff,
Geoff 31:32
people telling you they're gonna buy something and then ghost you like, so you're
Georgie 31:37
doing it like, what Facebook and like? Why have you not considered, like other options where there's less of this, interacting with people, like chuck it on eBay, or is it because it's furniture or something? No.
Geoff 31:55
I mean, like eBay has its own problems. It's like you have to ah, I mean,
Georgie 32:03
because, like, I base, I use eBay a lot, but most of the stuff I sell is, like, it could be like, old tech or mostly, like clothes and shoes.
Geoff 32:11
Yeah, I don't know why I didn't consider Ebay. I think I have a negative, negative bias against eBay. For some reason
Georgie 32:18
I have more of a negative bias for like, like, Gumtree and even the gum trees.
Geoff 32:25
Yeah, it's like, gives a it gives a similar taste in my mouth, I suppose.
Georgie 32:31
But I guess eBay has better Seller Protection, I guess. And like, less interaction of like, is this still available? And just like, fucking
Geoff 32:40
Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe I should post the monitor on eBay
Georgie 32:46
instead, because in eBay you can also say, like,
Geoff 32:49
just pick up Facebook groups. Facebook groups are pretty handy. Like, yeah, yeah. If you're selling a niche product, like a key, custom keyboard, then, of course, you're not gonna get the same price from a Normie as you would someone who knows how much everything costs and values it more.
Georgie 33:10
So I don't know Facebook, but like, when we moved out of our previous apartment, Nick would post, like, just miscellaneous stuff in our like, building, apartment building kind of Facebook group. And then it was just like, Yeah, can we? And so people were more polite and less of the like, is this still available? Yeah,
Geoff 33:26
I just remembered the story I was gonna tell for sellers. So sellers at least, at least from all of like, the real estate TV shows flirting around. And I also understand is that sellers will overvalue their house or apartment because they're they're basically biased towards their own, their own place, like, All right, so you, so you've done some work on the place, right? You, you like, added some fixtures, did some, did some, some quality of life renovations. You don't even have to renovate, really, but the seller is always going to like, want more money for what like, for buying, for selling. This is because, yes, it's because, yeah, they have all this, like, all this perception of value. The perception of value is their own, essentially, yeah, yeah.
Georgie 34:29
So I interestingly, this actually also applies to like clothes, which, like, I sell a lot and buy, like, secondhand clothes a lot, and you very quickly learn like, going on on both sides, like, I'll see people sell, like, designer stuff for like, $300 or something, because the original price was, like $1,000 and it's like, but, because it's secondhand, you're just kind of like, but still, I don't know. And then there are other things where I've sold, I've thought that this thing was valuable because it's fucking amazing, like a piece of clothing. And. And it's not, no one's interested. And then when I think of myself as a seller, I'm like, I never really want to spend more than like, $30 on a second hand piece of clothing, like, even in fantastic condition. And like, I think it's a fucking bargain when I get something for like 12 so, like, when, if I'm pricing secondhand shit at like 30 bucks, people are probably gonna think similarly, but that's not really a good deal. Yeah. I
Geoff 35:23
mean, I math. I math. Most of my stuff based on RRP or like, or based on some sales or something like that. Like, do you like? What's it brand new? What's brand new? Or, how much does it cost brand new? Or how much did I buy it for, and then how much I would think it was reasonable to knock off that price because of its impeccable condition. But that's the thing a person, a person did, give me a low ball offer, and I was like, no, because it's like, pretty, pretty good condition, condition. And then he was like, sorry, I'm not gonna, like, I can't go higher than 50 bucks for a secondhand mouse. And I'm like, Yeah, that's kind of fair, I guess. Well,
Georgie 36:13
he's not honest, secondhand,
Geoff 36:15
so I don't buy secondhand, so I don't have that perspective. Yeah,
Georgie 36:21
it's an interesting perspective to have, but especially
Geoff 36:23
to say, Yeah, needless to say, that might be a perspective, because I don't buy secondhand, I don't value, I don't have a value for secondhand. Things like, it's, it's like, I may as well buy a new it's like, so, yeah, but yeah, it's
Georgie 36:40
like, what you're saying people put, people put value into the stuff that they have. So when it comes to selling them, that'll obviously like, yeah, or it's and then there's another thing where, like, brand loyalty comes into it.
Geoff 36:55
Like, iPhones sell like crazy, yeah. And it's like, if you sell
Georgie 37:00
some, like, I mean, I don't know, but if you sell, like, a Huawei phone, I doubt it's gonna have the same kind of markup, you know? And then even things like activewear, like Lululemon is so huge, like, if you read, and their business model is scarcity, right? So if you, if you bought some leggings from like, five years ago, you try to sell them now, you will get, like, maybe 60% of what you paid for, like, back and you fucking used them, whereas if you go with some other brand, like, I don't even know, just say you bought something from rebel sport, like, Yo, you're not gonna get anywhere near 60% because just the brand loyalty is not the same as like, Lululemon, yeah,
Geoff 37:39
I sold, like, one, one of my kind of custom keyboards. I bought all the parts and I and then I put you can only. So there's super custom keyboards where people are, like, buying frames, and then they bind the, like, the mic, the whatever piece PCB. Think of it as a big, big, big, big microchip, I guess, like a big motherboard, something, and then and then, and then soldering on, like the on the switches that go under the keycaps, and then, like, doing all sorts of special stuff to to make it sound a specific way. I did the lazy man's way. So, like I did. I got the frame. It had everything there but the switches and the keycaps. So it's like, I buy one thing, a bare bones kit, and then I buy the keycap. The switches go in there, and then they buy the keycaps. It goes so three parts instead of 10, maybe. Anyways, so I built it. And I was like, okay, so all sum of all parts cost, and then divided by two or whatever. And then I was like, trying to sell it in the niche, niche group and someone so I think someone was just interested in buying a mechanical keyboard as they as I think most people are pretty interested in mechanical keyboards. No, not game gaming and programming wise, I don't know anyways, so people recognize that it's a gaming keyboard at least, and mechanical might mean that it's a pretty special keyboard. But this person gave me a pretty low offer, way below, like way, way. I don't think it was way below, but low offer. And then I was, I was thinking, I'm like, some of all these parts is obviously way higher, and I've already marked it down. But I was thinking, You know what, if I was, if I was just the Normie. And I was looking at this post. First and I was thinking, I need a gaming keyboard. And this is like second hand, so they will compare it to all other gaming keyboards equally. There's, there's no difference in getting something from JB, hi, Fi, which says gaming keyboard on it for like, 80 bucks or something. And my keyboard, which is a gaming keyboard, and, you know, yeah, they're equal to them. And that's a new one, and this is a secondhand one, so you gotta, gotta do your secondhand thing. So I was like, Yeah, okay, I'll give it to them for, for that cost, because, because it's like, yeah, the widest market possible. Understand keyboards this way and will like value. They value it differently to enthusiasts, I guess so. Yeah. I mean, I want to get rid of all this stuff. I've been hoarding this. I've been hoarding a lot of stuff. Like, I didn't know I had three keyboards. I mean, I honestly were, like a minimal, yeah, honestly forgot to sell the last keyboard before I bought the new keyboard. And then i i found out the key, the keyboard I put together custom ish, didn't have multi Bluetooth. Had
Georgie 41:21
wire. What's multi Bluetooth? So
Geoff 41:25
you can connect one keyboard to three different computers via Bluetooth. So you can at the same time, no, not the same time. So you can you switch between all three Bluetooth? Yeah, wait,
Georgie 41:42
that's Wait. How does that even work? So
Geoff 41:44
you, I mean, you compare, so the so you compare with
Georgie 41:49
both, like, two different like computers, or more, two or more different computers, yeah, at this not at the same time.
Geoff 41:56
No, no, not at the same time. So simultaneously, you're not typing on two computers. You you actively switch, you manually switch, but
Georgie 42:04
they can both be on and you can go, I'm typing stuff on this one, and then now, and it's like, seems relatively seamless,
Geoff 42:12
yeah, yeah. So it's cool, yeah. So basically, I don't know how it works under there, but basically you think of it as, like, three different Bluetooth antennas. And then you, like, you switch one on, and then that will be paired to a good computer. And then you switch the other one on and switch the one on and off. And then something I
Georgie 42:32
noticed recently, I don't tell, like, a Mac OS update or whatever, but like, so I've got my work and personal laptop, but I had both of them open, and then I have a trackpad, like an external trackbed that I use. So I had both my laptops open, and then all of a sudden, like I could move my cursor from one to the other, oh, like a continuity mouse. I don't know what it is, but I never had that happen. I don't know if it's new or not. Yeah,
Geoff 42:56
it's, I think it's relatively new. Continuity has gone beyond copy pasting and into your peripherals is essentially the
Georgie 43:06
but it's not going to do that fucking thing from that movie that you Yeah. I mean, you can't drag a fucking window to another. You know what? I think I actually tried, because I remember, I was like, No, it's just the mouse and the connection of the trackpad. Yeah.
Geoff 43:22
So Logitech have the have the mouse, store something in the mouse and the and you can actually drag a file between two different computers, but I don't think you can drag the same program from one computer to the next. But so, yeah, that's it's, this is why I sold my mouse, because I realized my mouse didn't have Bluetooth and a wired connection. And I, yeah, I need two computers. So yeah, now my keyboard and mouse are both switchable between two computers at the same time. The problem now is the webcam. The webcam can only be connected to one computer at a time, so
Georgie 44:08
you just have to unplug it and then unplug reblog, etc, etc, yeah,
Geoff 44:13
so live man, yeah, my sacrifices are the microphone that I'm talking to on now, and the webcam will remain on the PC. God, this is this makes working really hard. This is why I actually like going to the office, because
Georgie 44:31
separate like setup. Deal with that setup, rather than
Geoff 44:35
exactly, yeah, it's um, separate use cases, separate setups. I don't have to have two setups at home. Like, I could have two, two webcams, I guess. Yeah.
Georgie 44:46
See, the good thing for me is, like, I just switch out the laptop, because the rest like, yeah, the screen is the external display the same, the microphone is the same, and the webcam is just the one in the in the laptop. But hey, I don't know. Didn't pick windows. So,
Geoff 45:03
yeah, I'm thinking, haha, this is such a mistake for Windows,
Georgie 45:08
or is it a mistake of yours?
Geoff 45:09
No mistake that I got windows in the first place. But yeah, I don't know. It's all a very evolving thing, because I'm at the office more these days. So do I have to care about so much about this setup? No, right? Yeah, it's true, but I do like having a setup so it's like, it's my hobby. It's conflicting. Well,
Georgie 45:30
then, like, it doesn't make sense for you to change anything if you're like, let's say you start working, like, one day at home, like it still doesn't make sense for you if you're not gonna insert a lot kind of thing,
Geoff 45:43
yeah, it's more reasonable to have a sub optimal work working setup at home. So I could, I could basically go, oh, I'll just open my laptop and connect my monitor, and that will be enough for that one day. I
Georgie 46:03
mean, do you need your microphone? Does the does the laptop not have, like, just,
Geoff 46:08
oh, yeah, yeah, I've pulled back from that. That's why I was like, Oh, I pulled back from using this microphone for work, because I can either use the webcam microphone or air air pods, yeah, or the MacBook microphone, if I kept it open, and that's the problem, I like to close my MacBook when I'm at home because I have such a big screen. But if I just put up with it for one or two days a week with the laptop open, like not a big deal. It's totally a fucking first world problem. Yeah, yeah. And we've talked too much about this. So, oh yeah, we're talking about putting personal value into our things. So yeah, the next time, next time you you feel like you should be getting more for for your for your apartment or item that you're selling, just think about it. Think about is that, you this is why I don't do many things to my apartments or things in general. It's because I know that I'll be the only one that values it. But, you know,
Georgie 47:17
I don't know. No, I think there was something that someone said online and like some Instagram reel that said, why do people care so much about keeping an apartment or a home nice for the next person? Like, they don't want to paint it, they don't want to redo the bath or whatever. It's like, you're living there. I
Geoff 47:36
think we can talk about this like, yeah, just rip out that bathtub and replace it with a shower. Just
Georgie 47:40
like, make your so you enjoy it because it's your home. Because, like, why are you thinking about they thought this person thought was really quite odd that people always, people seem to mostly like, try and do anything to a home, thinking about research or whatever. And it's like that person, if they don't fucking like the bathtub, they're gonna take it out and put a shower. Like they will do whatever it is.
Geoff 48:04
Yeah, interesting and nice. Well, that kind of, that kind of decreased, like that kind of mindset decreased when I got this new apartment. So we're actually doing more Reno ish things, mods, mods like, we wanted automated blinds, so we drilled some holes in for the motor to go in and and then, like, actually drill holes in my wall. No way would I have done that bow department. I can say that now because I guess I don't live there anymore, and Bowen's huge, where I live is actually way bigger than I thought. Like the ride area is so massive, this is no way it reaches all the way up to Macquarie Park, actually, and down to like the water like Parramatta River. It's like, massive, so I don't think I can ever Dox myself.
Georgie 49:06
Are you sure?
Geoff 49:09
Yeah, 100% I can, 100% guarantee
Georgie 49:12
that you don't think you could Dox yourself. Yeah,
Geoff 49:15
me saying my suburb is not going to be useful for anyone, because it's so massive.
Georgie 49:22
The funny thing is, like, I don't want to mention my area, because it's quite small, even though it's mega dense. So even Yeah, like, you would still Yeah.
Geoff 49:33
I mean, we have a northwest, east, south ride like this.
Georgie 49:38
You and riddle me,
Geoff 49:43
I misspoke. It's vitalmir, not right?
Georgie 49:48
Is like, the asshole of ride?
Geoff 49:53
Is it even in ride? I don't even know where that face is. It's like,
Georgie 49:58
it's like, wet, no, it's. Yeah, it's more West and kind of closer to para ish, it's kind, I don't even, I feel like it's mostly not even residential. Maybe, I don't know,
Geoff 50:10
you know what isn't residential? The end of Tuesday, you can follow us on no social media, but you can reach out to us via review, or, uh, toast and roast@pm.me
Georgie 50:30
you can find episodes in Apple podcasts. Spotify wherever you listen in podcasts, and the big item that you're probably putting too much value on. So reduce that. Reduce lower your expectations, yeah,
Geoff 50:42
and get rid of your shit. It's and new episodes every Monday. So see you next week. Next week. Bye.
Georgie 50:52
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