We try to figure out where “balls to the wall” came from, and talk about some of Australia’s “firsts”.
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We try to figure out where “balls to the wall” came from, and talk about some of Australia’s “firsts”.
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Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Geoff 0:08
And welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast pew pew pew. This is host Geoff, with my co-host Georgie.
Georgie 0:18
Hello? Hello.
Geoff 0:19
Yeah, boy.
Georgie 0:20
Yes, yes. Pew pew.
Geoff 0:22
Or more like, yeah—
Georgie 0:25
Everybody, just everyone.
Geoff 0:28
It doesn’t have that same ring. But—
Georgie 0:31
Well I think it’s I think “Yeah boys” is not actually—
Geoff 0:34
Yeah guy—yeah guys.
Georgie 0:36
I don’t think “ye boi” is actually boys, I think it’s like one word now it’s like y-e-b-o-i, that’s the word.
Geoff 0:42
Yeah boy restaurant.
Georgie 0:43
It’s now—
Geoff 0:46
Boys...
Georgie 0:47
I can’t see your screen.
Geoff 0:50
Yeah, yeah bois, anyways. What’s up everybody?
Georgie 0:56
Geoff, I’ve got a question.
Geoff 0:58
Ooh, spicy.
Georgie 1:00
When was the last time you consumed or purchased? prunes
Geoff 1:06
Prunes? Like never.
Georgie 1:09
Oh shit. You don’t have any memory of—oh, OK.
Geoff 1:14
No, I don’t like prunes.
Georgie 1:15
Maybe we shouldn’t, we shouldn’t go there.
Geoff 1:17
Why? Why did you pick prunes?
Georgie 1:20
Because they’re supposed to help you take a shit?
Geoff 1:23
Yeah, I should probably have them.
Georgie 1:25
(laughs)
Geoff 1:27
As your doc would say, I’m full of shit.
Georgie 1:31
Yeah.
Geoff 1:32
My, my niece really likes prunes. She’s like below 10 years old. And I’m wondering like—
Georgie 1:41
Kiddos need it. I think kiddos need it to—actually no, maybe they don’t need it. Full disclosure, I’m not a doctor. I just remember that when I was a kid, my mum would always give me just like just a couple of prunes. If I was ever like having trouble doing a number two, maybe, because it aids in digestion and getting stuff through the body, yada yada.
Geoff 2:03
You know, jols? I think we talked about—
Georgie 2:06
We talked about the laxative effect!
Geoff 2:08
Yeah the laxative effect. So, like, I don’t think I’ve ever eaten enough to have a laxative effect. Candy with laxatives. But yeah, have you been taking a look at the prune market?
Georgie 2:24
Well, the other day I like okay, just like a content warning, people who are not, really don’t really like listening to things about getting sick. But I had this really bad acid reflux on him waking up in the middle of the night. And I don’t know if this happens to everyone, but I was very nauseated. And I kept like, over producing saliva. So I had to like spit it out into the, into the bathroom. And then obviously, I lost a lot of fluids, even though I didn’t actually throw up. But I just felt dehydrated. Whatever, took electrolytes. And the following day, I didn’t eat very much just because I didn’t want to make myself like feel worse. And then I slowly started eating regularly again. And then I thought, hey, I haven’t taken a dump in like a couple days. Maybe it would be good to, like it should be good, to, right? And then I thought, what do I do? Because I did take a fibre supplement. But I wasn’t entirely sure how much that helped. And then I remembered that it’s not such a bad idea to just add a couple of prunes to help stuff go through.
Geoff 3:32
Yeah, right, no, it makes sense. Switching topics to I guess something, more, is it more controversial? Less controversial, than, than, you know, poop talk?
Georgie 3:43
I don’t really think poop is controversial. Everybody poops? Actually. Have you heard of that? I think there’s this children’s book.
Geoff 3:48
I think there is—
Georgie 3:49
Called Everybody Poops.
Geoff 3:51
I mean there’s like, “just like go the fuck to sleep” or something like that, too.
Georgie 3:56
But I think Everyone Poops is child friendly. There’s no F words in it.
Geoff 4:02
A bad lip reading of the Black Eyed Peas.
Georgie 4:05
Oh, I, have you seen anything by Bad Lip Reading?
Geoff 4:09
No.
Georgie 4:10
Okay, I have a really good one of you know, Michael Buble?
Geoff 4:14
Yeah, Boobers, we call him.
Georgie 4:16
Boobs. (laughs) Hang on, I didn’t mean to say that.
Geoff 4:20
Content warning. Georgie is gonna say the word boobs.
Georgie 4:23
Okay, so there’s a Michael Buble a song called, Haven’t Met You Yet. The one where he’s in the supermarket.
Geoff 4:29
Yeah. Just haven’t met you yet.
Georgie 4:32
Yeah. So they did a bad lip reading of that called Russian Unicorn. It is so good. I recommend watching it. And I think Michael Buble even responded to that saying, oh, there’s a really good song called Russian Unicorn. Like you got to check it out. So it was it was very, very well done. The lyrics are what you imagine he might be saying, it’s just completely different to the original song. Some of the lyrics are, I don’t know if you’re gonna play it now.
Geoff 5:05
No I won’t play it.
Georgie 5:06
Okay, but one of the lines is, “I pee peed in your glove, and soon you’ll start to smell it”.
Geoff 5:13
Ew.
Georgie 5:15
So that’s what they got out of a bad lip reading of Michael Buble’s song. It’s him in the in the video clip so he is actually singing the song. It’s not just other—
Geoff 5:27
8.1 7 million subscribers. Wow. Whoa, I have actually seen Bad Lip Reading. I remember the opening.
Georgie 5:38
They’ve got some Star Wars ones as well.
Geoff 5:40
Yeah, they should do bad lip reading of Hamilton. That’d be hilarious.
Georgie 5:44
I haven’t actually seen Hamilton. I know you have.
Geoff 5:49
Tsk tsk. I think it’s kind of one of those things that have had, has had its era, you know, like people who watch it now outside of the of the time of Hamilton, I don’t think will get it as much.
Georgie 6:04
Does it not age well?
Geoff 6:04
And why people are obsessed. No, it ages really well. But I think the overall like obsession of Hamilton really drove why Hamilton became what was was fun, right?
Georgie 6:17
Is it like High School Musical?
Geoff 6:19
I don’t know.
Georgie 6:20
Have you seen High School Musical?
Geoff 6:22
No, I have not.
Georgie 6:22
Oh, okay. There was a whole craze around that too. And it’s like, now it’s a bit, you know, bit, no one cares.
Geoff 6:28
But like, during Hamilton’s period, Hamilton’s period, not not like the nineteen, nineteen, I can’t remember. When was Hamilton.... shit. It’s in the lyrics somewhere. Anyways, so. Yeah, during the Hamilton period, it was like you were in this chasm, where if you listen to it all the way through, and you had lots of people around you also listening to the song. So—
Georgie 6:59
In public?
Geoff 7:00
And because it’s highly quotable, like no, just in general, like there’s so, there was so many people listening to it at that time. Can’t remember what it was, what 20, when was it? 2010 musical? Hamilton musical? Anyways, those I think that was just so many people were listening to at the same time and really loving it at the same time. It’s highly quotable in regular sentences. Like, wait, Wait For It is a song of Hamilton. And you’d find that if you’d said “wait for it” at, like, two people who listened to Hamilton. They immediately break into song of some sort. Or you would laugh so it’s like incredibly, like huge in joke—
Georgie 7:41
That’s kind of cool.
Geoff 7:42
...amongst people who listen to it. And that was like really cool. But if you if you like, now that we’ve fast forwarded how long, there’s 2015 Off Broadway, 2015 Broadway, 2017, and then, yeah, so it’s still touring and people still go see it.
Georgie 8:00
It’s not as widely like—
Geoff 8:02
It’s not like a lot of people are listening and loving it at the same time everyone listening and loving it and like, I guess their own their own time. It’s not like a huge chasm. So if you went and watched it and listened to it, you’d be like, cool. Like, that’s like a that’s like a nice musical. You won’t, you won’t like memorise every lyric. You wouldn’t like listen to it 50 times, maybe if you loved it, you would. But I just I think the the reason why people who liked Hamilton back when it first started in 2015 are like, different from people who who like who like it now.
Georgie 8:40
Very interesting, I wonder what else is like this, that’s followed this sort of...
Geoff 8:46
The thing is, I haven’t really been a part of too many that kind of like it. Especially theatre, because I’m not like a theatre nerd or anything.
Georgie 8:55
But you just like this one.
Geoff 8:58
I say I’m not at the Internet, but I have watched like Lion King in theatre. Aladdin.
Georgie 9:03
Oh yeah, I saw Aladdin.
Geoff 9:06
What’s the other one? The witch one?
Georgie 9:09
Wiz... the green one? Fuck, what is it called.
Geoff 9:12
The green one.
Georgie 9:12
Wicked.
Geoff 9:13
Wicked, Yeah.
Georgie 9:16
The green one.
Geoff 9:20
The Hulk, no. Hulk the musical. No. So I’ve watched quite a few of them. But—
Georgie 9:31
You don’t, I don’t know, you don’t have to. Like I don’t think watching a few makes you like a theatre nerd.
Geoff 9:36
That’s true. That’s true. But you could, you can’t, I can’t, I can’t safely say that like, oh, yeah, I don’t, I don’t like theatre. Like—
Georgie 9:43
Yeah.
Geoff 9:44
I’ve watched enough theatre to have to have at least liked it. But Hamilton is different because all of the songs like all of it, sung, it, there’s no speaking in this entire thing. So you can actually listen through the entire Spotify and you’d get the whole story.
Georgie 10:02
Yeah.
Geoff 10:04
Oh, and what’s that one? The Bible one.
Georgie 10:09
Book of Mormon?
Geoff 10:10
Book of Mormon. Yeah. So I watched the one, I watched Book of Mormon. And if you listen to the soundtracks, it’s like you skip a whole bunch of like, context and story as to what they’re singing about.
Georgie 10:20
Oh, because there’s a lot of dialogue?
Geoff 10:22
There’s just a lot of dialogue. Yeah. Oh, musical theatre, sorry, the the theatre and musical theatre.
Georgie 10:28
The ones I, the ones I have seen that you haven’t mentioned is I’ve seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Geoff 10:34
Oh, cool.
Georgie 10:35
And I’ve seen Miss Saigon. I think that’s a really old one. And—
Geoff 10:39
I’ve seen Madame Butterfly.
Georgie 10:41
Oh I haven’t seen that one.
Geoff 10:42
Which is an opera, I think?
Georgie 10:44
Okay, so I feel like opera is different because I’ve seen what is it, La Traviata, and Barber of Seville.
Geoff 10:52
Wow, I’ve not heard any of these.
Georgie 10:56
I saw another one at—
Geoff 10:59
I saw it at the Opera House.
Georgie 11:02
Where else would you see it?
Geoff 11:04
Oh, that’s a good point.
Georgie 11:04
It’s probably going to be at an opera house somewhere. Right?
Geoff 11:08
Yeah, my mu—
Georgie 11:10
And I saw Mean Girls, the Mean Girls musical on Broadway.
Geoff 11:13
Oh, really? There’s a Mean Girls musical.
Georgie 11:15
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 11:17
Oh, man. My grandma was actually madame, Like played Madame Butterfly back in her heyday.
Georgie 11:24
Oh, wow. Cool.
Geoff 11:25
Yeah. Full on operatic singer. It’s in the family line somewhere that we—
Georgie 11:33
So why aren’t you in any theatre productions?
Geoff 11:39
I mean, I probably... have I been? I’ve been in a couple plays when I was a kid. I think I certainly have the ca—the capability of doing it. I just don’t want it because I’m lazy. And—
Georgie 11:56
Don’t care enough?
Geoff 11:56
Not at all so much interested in it. Because, yeah, I think, I think I could, I’m pretty. I could become a pretty animated, kind of person.
Georgie 12:08
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 12:10
And that’s, I think, the baseline. Have you seen anything at the Opera House? Did you watch all those operas at the Opera House?
Georgie 12:17
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Geoff 12:19
I guess where else would you?
Georgie 12:20
Wait, hang on, when you say “seen anything” at the Opera House, because I’ve been to a couple of concerts there as well, because they do—
Geoff 12:25
Oh really?
Georgie 12:25
Like music concerts. Yeah. So I saw The Wombats who are a band from the UK. And I saw this post, oh what do you call, post rock band called Explosions in the Sky, saw them at the Opera House too. It’s very different to seeing a band, depending on the band, it’s very different to seeing them in like some other like theatre, like Metro or Hordern or whatever, because it’s in the Opera House. And the acoustics are fucking G.
Geoff 12:53
Yeah.
Georgie 12:53
And like, usually, I guess the, I don’t know what you call it, the production quality. I don’t know the lighting is just, it’s a different feel and you have individual seats. So you, you have a seat that you can sit in, but I think when we saw The Wombats, pretty much first song, everybody stood up for the entire fucking thing. And nobody sat down because it just didn’t lend itself. The music is like pop rock doesn’t really lend itself to being seated. People want to have fun.
Geoff 13:24
Is that it, standing equals fun?
Georgie 13:27
No, I guess like people want to stand and dance. Right? You can’t really, you can only do so much with your but in your seat.
Geoff 13:35
They’re not trying hard enough.
Georgie 13:37
(laughs) Just lazy, Geoff.
Geoff 13:39
Yeah, I mean, like, I hadn’t actually seen an opera at the Opera House until, I guess, was it maybe four or five years ago. And I’ve been here for about 10. So.
Georgie 13:51
Oh, actually, because I studied music in school, it’s fucking different. Like seeing an opera at the Opera House back when I was in school. And then now. So back when I was in school, you would dress up for the opera, like you would wear, like cocktail dresses or like, you know, kind of, and then like if people passed—I don’t know if people everyone does this. But because of that, because of like me going, as a kid in school going to operas, I learned this etiquette, I guess, when people want to sit, need to walk past you to go to their seat, you should stand up and let them pass.
Geoff 14:25
Yes.
Georgie 14:26
And when I noticed that people don’t do that anymore, as of I don’t know, when was the last opera I saw, whatever, let’s just say 2016 or something, which was like, yeah, I was like, how rude. Stand up to let me pass. And then people dress casually these days, too. So somewhere along the line, it kind of changed. Like there’s no longer a dress code because I don’t know, maybe it was not so approachable for some people or they’re just trying to cater to a wider audience. Opera’s not just for, I don’t know, nerds.
Geoff 15:02
Yeah, anyways, I when I saw Madame Butterfly they had the the translations.
Georgie 15:10
Yes the surtitles.
Geoff 15:12
In the little screens up and up above, and down below, which was kind of interesting, subtitles.
Georgie 15:18
Surtitles. Like they’re literally called surtitles because they’re above them.
Geoff 15:22
Oh seriously, because they’re not sub?
Georgie 15:25
Yeah. Yeah we like we actually studied this, like we didn’t just excursion to the opera, we actually learned about it.
Geoff 15:32
It makes sense. But it’s pretty cool inside. I think I saw, I saw Jackie Chan there.
Georgie 15:40
Really?
Geoff 15:40
Yeah he came and did it he did an interview esque, on the on the stage at the Opera House. But I think those are the only two things that I really go to, went to the Opera House for. But yeah, right. Other musicals I guess. Have you seen the Cursed Child is leaving Australia?
Georgie 16:03
I haven’t even seen it at all.
Geoff 16:04
Are you a Harry Potter...?
Georgie 16:05
No.
Geoff 16:06
I haven’t watched it.
Georgie 16:07
I’m not a Harry Potter fan.
Geoff 16:09
You’re not a Harry Potter fan?
Georgie 16:10
No.
Geoff 16:11
Oh, well, then I guess no love lost at that. Because my sisters were wanting to go to Melbourne to see it. But it seems like it’s leaving Australia. So.
Georgie 16:22
Just go somewhere else and see it.
Geoff 16:24
Yeah. I wonder if Hamilton... was Hamilton at the Opera House? Probably not. Hamilton, Sydney. I honestly like, I watched it on Disney Plus. But I didn’t bother like thinking about watching it in person.
Georgie 16:41
Oh.
Geoff 16:42
Because I can’t listen to other people’s voices. Because—
Georgie 16:46
What? You can’t listen to other people’s voices?
Geoff 16:49
Yeah, I’ve been listening to the same, like the original cast voices.
Georgie 16:54
Oh, you mean different?
Geoff 16:55
Yeah.
Georgie 16:56
Right. I thought you meant just generally you just don’t like listening to other people, at all, so this conversation is like over.
Geoff 17:03
I can’t listen to my own voice. That’s a thing.
Georgie 17:06
Yeah.
Geoff 17:07
Yeah. Oh. It’s at the Lyric Theatre.
Georgie 17:11
What’s QPAC?
Geoff 17:14
No idea. Wait, I can’t highlight it.
Georgie 17:17
Brisbane. It says Brisbane.
Geoff 17:19
Queensland, oh Brisbane tickets, not in Sydney anymore. Lyric Theatre in Queensland PAC. QPAC.
Georgie 17:28
I’m gonna guess Q is Queensland. What’s PAC, Performing Arts and Culture? Something?
Geoff 17:34
Isn’t it Pacific Area like APAC?
Georgie 17:40
Just look it up. Yeah but that’s different
Geoff 17:43
Yeah, Australian Psychology Accreditation. Asia Pacific.
Georgie 17:48
What is QPAC, I need to know?
Geoff 17:50
QPAC?
Georgie 17:52
I’m pretty sure it’s Performing Arts and something.
Geoff 17:55
Performing Arts Centre.
Georgie 17:57
Centre, right.
Geoff 17:59
Couldn’t be a Performing Arts Conglomerate? Performing Arts Carrots? Cluedo? Cluedo, have you played Cluedo?
Georgie 18:14
Is that the one with people’s faces. No, that’s who, Guess Who.
Geoff 18:18
That’s Guess Who, yeah. Cluedo’s that board game where there’s rooms and you’re trying to figure out who killed—
Georgie 18:25
Oh, like, yeah. Okay. No, I haven’t played it. I’ve heard of it. But—
Geoff 18:29
Yeah.
Georgie 18:30
I don’t think I’ve actually played it.
Geoff 18:32
Yeah, this was a pretty simplistic one.
Georgie 18:33
Vintage!
Geoff 18:34
Yeah, very vintage. Essentially, you, there’s there’s a set of people involved and, Colonel Mustard, and and Miss Scarlett, and whatever. And you kind of shuffle the cards and you put one of the one of the characters in a envelope. And you put it in the middle of the board.
Georgie 18:54
Are they the murderer?
Geoff 18:56
No, they’re the they’re the deceased I think.
Georgie 18:59
Ha.
Geoff 19:00
You have to find out who among yourselves as players is the murderer.
Georgie 19:04
Okay.
Geoff 19:05
Right. So you actually start off on a few end of the board and you kind of
Georgie 19:09
But do you know who’s deceased? Or you—
Geoff 19:12
No, you don’t know who’s deceased either. Yeah. So the idea here is a is a deduction, it’s a deduction game you kind of go into a dining room and the, what you have to guess actually is who it is, what did they do the murder with? As you can see there’s a few, a candlestick, a rope—
Georgie 19:31
Geez, that’s dark.
Geoff 19:32
...A wrench and a gun and stuff. Yeah. So you have to guess who it is, so you can say “Colonel Mustard with the revolver in the dining room”. So that’s one way of like, accusing someone of the—
Georgie 19:49
And are you all different characters?
Geoff 19:52
Yeah. So if you’re Miss Scarlett, I’m Colonel Mustard, and I’m like, “Miss Scarlett with the candlestick in the dining room” or whatever, and you check the middle, you check the cards in the middle, and if you’re wrong, you’re kind of out of the game, or something along those lines.
Georgie 20:09
Okay.
Geoff 20:10
So I don’t remember all the rules because I mean, I’ve never really been good at ruining any of the rules to my, to board games. But that’s essentially the gist of it. You go around to these different rooms in this house and you’re trying to suss out who killed the person in the middle, and who the middle person is I guess. Maybe you do know who died? Anyways, Cludo?
Georgie 20:30
Well, how do you how do you guess, do they just keep asking questions and stuff?
Geoff 20:33
Yeah, yeah, like you can I think you can ask like, where, we’re, we’re, I think you will have to look, you have to look at the rules, because I honestly don’t know like how how to play the game anymore, but it’s pretty fun mystery game. If you get a murder envelope, it’s great. But yeah, haven’t played this in a while, should get the family together and play it. What was another thing that I was gonna say before we got into Cluedo. Oh, right. Monopoly, right.
Georgie 21:08
Yeah, we’ve talked about this.
Geoff 21:10
We talked about it.
Georgie 21:10
What about it?
Geoff 21:11
There is going to be a theme park, a Monopoly theme park.
Georgie 21:16
What, where?
Geoff 21:18
Here in Australia. Melbourne.
Georgie 21:20
No, you’re joking.
Geoff 21:21
Yes. I’m not joking. There is a $10 million Monopoly theme park coming to Melbourne.
Georgie 21:28
Is there, is there one anywhere else?
Geoff 21:30
Yeah, this is, I think there’s two, my partner’s told me. Monopoly...
Georgie 21:36
I’m gonna guess there’s one in the US somewhere, surely?
Geoff 21:39
I guess so. It’s made in the USA hey? Monopoly theme park... Theme parks? Yeah, I didn’t know where the other one is. There’s definitely—oh $20 million. Sorry, I took 50% off the theme park. Theme park. Or maybe there’s only one in a—oh here we go. Monopoly Dreams is the first Monopoly themed attraction in the world.
Georgie 22:03
Oh wow. Hey, wait, when are we ever the first to get fucking anything?
Geoff 22:08
That’s very true. When are we the first? All right. Top 10 firsts in Australia.
Georgie 22:15
I love this, I love where this is going.
Geoff 22:19
I think we got Google Maps first perhaps? Or was it developed here and actually used in the States before? All right.
Georgie 22:27
I think we got Atlassian first, we fucking own them, bitches.
Geoff 22:30
Yeah we got JIRA first—I don’t know if that’s a like a win you know, I don’t think—
Georgie 22:34
Oh, whatever but the fact that Atlassian is Australian I think is at least nice. I guess.
Geoff 22:41
Canva’s also Australian, if no one knows.
Georgie 22:43
Oh wait Campaign Monitor’s Australian.
Geoff 22:46
Culture Amp’s Australian.
Georgie 22:47
Yeah.
Geoff 22:50
First female war artist.
Georgie 22:51
Cool.
Geoff 22:53
First crouch start. Bobbie MacDonald Townsend young Indigenous runner. Okay, first refrigeration?
Georgie 23:00
Wait, what’s a, using a crouch start? Oh, OK.
Geoff 23:05
Yeah. Do you know what a catch that is?
Georgie 23:07
Is that when you’re down on the ground? And then you go up and run?
Geoff 23:10
Yeah, it’s when you have the two feet—
Georgie 23:11
So how did they, how did they do it before they did a crouching start I guess? Like...
Geoff 23:15
Not a crouching start. Just standing.
Georgie 23:17
Just stand there? Oh.
Geoff 23:17
Yeah they just stand at the ready, and then like, run. Yeah.
Georgie 23:23
Cool.
Geoff 23:23
That’s pretty interesting.
Georgie 23:25
Yeah I didn’t know that.
Geoff 23:25
First refrigeration.
Georgie 23:26
Oh, wait, I think I know about this one. Or I have heard of it.
Geoff 23:30
First commercially viable ice making machine and refrigerated. No way.
Georgie 23:35
Very good.
Geoff 23:35
Australia was the first one to come up with refrigeration? That sounds—
Georgie 23:40
He won a gold medal at the Melbourne exhibition by proving that frozen meat remained edible for months.
Geoff 23:46
Wow. Inventor of the first military tank.
Georgie 23:50
All right.
Geoff 23:51
No. That’s ridiculous. First to film. Okay. Filming combat. I mean.
Georgie 23:58
What, is that, like? Just a little bit whatever? Like, yeah, someone could have just done that in any country?
Geoff 24:03
Yeah, you can’t, you can’t, you just grab a camera and run into fights, right.
Georgie 24:06
But you, can say that in 2023? But when was that?
Geoff 24:09
Yeah, but like—
Georgie 24:10
1912!
Geoff 24:12
1912. Okay. Wait, first of, he was the first to complete a trans-Arctic cross crossing by air and the first to fly over Antarctica. This is more interesting. As a result of these.
Georgie 24:26
Yeah, why isn’t that the title?
Geoff 24:28
Yeah. Wilkins, blah, blah, blah. He also first press to sail on the polar ice... Yeah. Why is this about filming combat? In any case, let’s, anyone can pick up like a camera. It was at the time there was film. Someone goes in combat, whatever.
Georgie 24:47
But it says in action during the war. Maybe that’s significant.
Geoff 24:53
He had the kahoonies to go out and—I never understood the term “having the balls to do something”.
Georgie 25:01
Yeah?
Geoff 25:02
Because the balls—
Georgie 25:02
Alright, let’s dig deeper.
Geoff 25:04
Yeah, the balls are very, very fragile. Like I don’t think it’s, it’s maybe it’s fragile and that’s why you have the balls to do something?
Georgie 25:13
OK, on the same on the same wavelength. Yeah, never quite understood what, when you say “balls to the wall”—
Geoff 25:21
Oh yeah, balls to the wall.
Georgie 25:23
Like—
Geoff 25:24
Even that,
Georgie 25:24
Actually I’ll tell you what, what I imagined visually is someone doing the splits like side splits, like but I think it was called banana splits, and they’re just going right up against a wall, kind of like what you might do in a stretch or like an acrobat or gymnast does, I’m like that’s a ball to the wall.
Geoff 25:42
Maybe it’s more literal balls, and not human balls?
Georgie 25:45
Oh, right!
Geoff 25:45
Right, maybe that’s it? Because people hit balls to the wall, right?
Georgie 25:49
It’s not scrotum. Like squash balls.
Geoff 25:50
Not scrotums. Squash balls.
Georgie 25:53
Oh my god. Have you ever played squash?
Geoff 25:55
No, I’ve never played squash but it looks like a terrifying sport.
Georgie 25:58
It’s, no, it’s so shit. OK so, you’ve played tennis I assume, or at least tried to hit a tennis ball with a racket.
Geoff 26:04
I’ve played some tennis, yeah.
Georgie 26:05
So a tennis ball bounces, like just kind of the way you expect an ordinary like, small ball of that size to bounce. A squash ball is like you know, those, you know, when we had computer mice that were like plugged in with the, with the ball, also we visited this in a previous episode, but those things, it’s like you’re hitting one of those little rubber balls against a wall in a giant room. And if you hit someone accidentally with it, it hurts.
Geoff 26:36
Yeah, 100%.
Georgie 26:37
And they drop. They drop a lot faster than a tennis ball because they’re kind of heavy. So it’s feels like you—I don’t understand the appeal.
Geoff 26:48
I go on the far opposite, badminton where the where the shuttle—
Georgie 26:51
It doesn’t even move. Floats in the air.
Geoff 26:54
Yeah, it’s the lightest thing. But on, like, on the note of like, calling people stuff. Like when people call other people like pussies. Like—
Georgie 27:06
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 27:06
It also it doesn’t make sense, right? Because the vagina is actually quite strong. Like—
Georgie 27:10
I’ve heard this one before.
Geoff 27:12
Can pull tonnes with a vagina. And then you’re like, then you’re calling people like, “grow some balls and do it” and like well, if you grow balls, then I’m pretty sure you’re now weaker than you were before. Now you have an exposed external organ.
Georgie 27:27
Exposed body part.
Geoff 27:28
That is very weak. Yeah. So I always find it amusing.
Georgie 27:31
What if you, what if you grew some tennis balls just on yourself, and then you’re strong.
Geoff 27:36
I think you should see a doctor.
Georgie 27:40
(laughs) Yeah actually, don’t go there.
Geoff 27:42
You grew some squash balls. You know?
Georgie 27:45
If you had to like, you know balls to the wall—if you had to... Wait so are we hitting balls to the wall? Are we throwing them?
Geoff 27:51
Yeah, I think so. I don’t know.
Georgie 27:52
What ball would you choose?
Geoff 27:54
I guess I’ll do like baseball I guess? But baseballs don’t go to walls. So probably squash balls. Maybe that’s it. But let me look at, let’s look it up. “Balls to the wall”.
Georgie 28:06
(laughs)
Geoff 28:06
“Balls to the wall, idiomatic, with maximum effort or commitment, quotation, synonym, full throttle”.
Georgie 28:13
Well, that makes a lot of sense. I think.
Geoff 28:15
Yeah, that’s the definition. Yeah. What’s the—
Georgie 28:18
I just learned what “balls to the wall” actually refers to.
Geoff 28:21
Refers to. And it’s really... “I feel dirty as fuck. Okay, we’ve all heard the phrase ’balls to the wall’. And we thought it was a ref referred to testicles somehow right?” Not, oh we just discussed it, not really. In my mind I was pictured it looking something like dudes twerking upside down. (laughs)
Georgie 28:37
(laughs)
Geoff 28:41
Or like some accidental crotch meets wall accident involving a trampoline. If not, maybe a gruesome punishment involving—
Georgie 28:51
Oh no!
Geoff 28:52
“...and a lot of blood. But no, if you thought any of these things you’d be wrong. The expression actually has to do with military aviation. It’s all about taking a nosedive really fast, to go full speed in a fighter plane you typically have to shift the throttle to the front of the cockpit. You can also shift another control, the joystick in the same position the front of the cockpit’s also known as the firewall, hence the wall. As for those mysterious balls, they refer to the tops of the throttle and the joystick which are typically topped with ball-shaped knobs—”
Georgie 29:24
Oh my god.
Geoff 29:26
“So shifting both balls to the firewall results in a crazy dive done at maximum speed.”
Georgie 29:32
Makes a lot of sense now.
Geoff 29:34
Okay, but when would when would a pilot use this? Like are they like—
Georgie 29:40
Yeah, what are they wanting to nosedive for?
Geoff 29:42
“Fighter 332, we request that you balls to the wall”, like—
Georgie 29:46
Wait, is it maybe about taking a risk then?
Geoff 29:50
Maybe it’s like “oh man, last night I went balls to the wall” and then they’re like, “sweet dude. Balls to the wall”.
Georgie 29:56
(laughs)
Geoff 30:02
Here you go, in Urban Dictionary “it’s used by pilots when”... so now that we got two sources, one arguably—
Georgie 30:08
Yeah but do you trust Urban Dictionary, holy shit.
Geoff 30:11
And the other even more questionable. But yeah, “a colourful phrase, one needs to be careful using ’balls to the wall’, although it’s real origin is very benign, most people assume reference to testicles”. Hey, and we thought it was squash balls, you know, I think ours is much better.
Georgie 30:28
Throwing balls to the wall.
Geoff 30:30
Yeah, balls to the wall. How do we get here? Yeah, top 10s. Right, gotcha.
Georgie 30:37
All right, pretend we did not have that convo.
Geoff 30:40
The first automatic vinyl record change—
Georgie 30:43
Record.
Geoff 30:43
Record changer, oh record changer.
Georgie 30:46
Oh, wow. Wait, hang on, allowing six—yeah. Did you ever have like a disk changing thing? Like at home or in a car? Or like—
Geoff 30:55
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 30:56
The first time I saw one, I was just amazed. I was like, shit. You mean? I can pick CD 1, 2, 3, or 4, and play whichever one I want without opening it, removing the CD and putting another one in?
Geoff 31:08
Yeah. Did, you went balls to the wall and put like as many CDs as possible?
Georgie 31:14
Well, you can only fit like, however many the thing holds.
Geoff 31:18
And then, but the mechanism for this one is actually quite interesting. The vinyl record changer. It’s like an arm, I think. And it picks—
Georgie 31:26
It picks it up.
Geoff 31:27
And puts it in it. And sometimes it flips around—
Georgie 31:30
Like a jukebox in like one of those old diners maybe? Like if you look for—
Geoff 31:34
Automatic vinyl record changer, but that’s interesting came from Australia. I mean, we’ve got like—give me an old school one.
Georgie 31:48
Oh my god, how come I can’t see it?
Geoff 31:52
Oh. Here we go. Maybe?
Georgie 31:55
Oh.
Geoff 31:58
I don’t know. Now I’m very confused. I thought it was a little arm. Maybe I was watching a sci fi movie.
Georgie 32:04
Changer? Like, okay, so I used to have a vinyl record machine that you could have one playing and then you could stack one above it. Like, like with some space in between. And then once the one underneath, finished playing, the needle would move up, the arm would move out of the way. And then I think something would basically, quote unquote, deploy the one that was stacked. So that would now be on top of the one that was at the bottom. And then the arm would move back and then start playing the one that you’ve queued up, so to speak.
Geoff 32:39
Australian, I just get Aussie things that I can buy, anyways—
Georgie 32:43
Maybe that’s why this article says “unknown” Aussie first, because it’s like super niche.
Geoff 32:49
Super niche. I mean, if it’s so unknown that means why would we believe this Australiangeographic.com.au? Well, I guess I answered my own question. Um, advances in tennis racket design, we skipped over advanced tennis racket.
Georgie 33:06
That’s probably why we started talking about the balls.
Geoff 33:08
Yeah, balls. First woman to sail around the world west to east.
Georgie 33:16
Yeah, that’s cool. Didn’t even know that.
Geoff 33:21
First Aboriginal Australian Ambassador. That seems...
Georgie 33:26
Ambassador for...
Geoff 33:27
I knew about it? So essentially there’s this dude—this dude?—this Aboriginal called Bennelong. It might—
Georgie 33:34
Right yeah, don’t we have Bennelong Point as a location named after.
Geoff 33:38
Exactly. So actually, there’s this guy called Bennelong and he was part of, he was the first the first Australian tribe essentially, rather, not first Australian tribe, but the first Australian settlement was happening and the governor, what’s his name?
Georgie 33:55
Arthur Philip?
Geoff 33:56
Something, yeah, Arthur, Philip. He wants to he needed someone to help him basically communicate with the Aborigines. He was actually quite an, quote unquote, nice person, despite being a conqueror, but he went out and he basically kidnapped this Bennelong guy, because he saw that he had a prominent position in his tribe, and then basically, Stockholm Syndrome’d Bennelong into becoming his, like a man servant type or a translator, an assistant—look, he was a slave.
Georgie 34:32
Oh yeah.
Geoff 34:32
I know that any job he was given is not really that important.
Georgie 34:35
Well, the fact that it said kidnapped. I mean.
Geoff 34:38
Yeah.
Georgie 34:38
He was taken against his own will.
Geoff 34:40
Yeah. So it was kind of quite interesting. He became an official ambassador, but then and voluntarily helped—
Georgie 34:48
“After a period of imprisonment”. Dude was totes a slave.
Geoff 34:52
Yeah, totes the slave. So basically, he ended up like, obviously like escaping the first chance that he got. But it was after a very long time, like, Arthur Philip thought this guy was his like confidant, his, like best friend. And then like he like bolts as soon as like he can. But like after like 10 odd years or something crazy. Anyways, so first Aboriginal Australian Ambassador. I feel like this is a bit of a cop out.
Georgie 35:20
It feels like isn’t that just the history of this...
Geoff 35:23
Yeah.
Georgie 35:24
Country?
Geoff 35:25
It’s like if he was the first Aboriginal ambassador, like ever, like it, like there was no Indian one, there’s no native Indian one, there’s no Native American Indian, because Indians is—
Georgie 35:38
Also I learned that there are Canadian Aboriginals. They call them. Yeah, I thought I was under the impression that we call our First Nations people Aboriginals—
Geoff 35:49
Indigenous.
Georgie 35:49
I thought that was Australian.
Geoff 35:51
Yeah, me too.
Georgie 35:52
Yeah. I heard it in a video.
Geoff 35:53
That’s what you get for having an Australian only education.
Georgie 35:56
Oh, yeah. Dude. Don’t even get me started. I remember my mum when I was like, younger should be asking me questions like that she thought I learned, things she thought I learned in school and like, “What’s the capital city of so and so”, I’m like, I don’t know, she asked me about another country, and I didn’t know, she said, “Don’t you learn this in school?” I’m like, no, and she’s like, “Don’t you learn about the world?’ And I’m like, “well, we you know, maybe labelled the different continents—”
Geoff 36:17
I know where New Zealand is?
Georgie 36:19
Yeah, like we label the continents. But she’s like, what about the history and shit? Yeah, we’ll learn about World War One, Two. And then Australia. I swear entirety of like year 9 and 10 is like, I swear, you learn about the Federation. And some, I can’t remember. But Australia.
Geoff 36:34
Yeah, I think it’s really funny because I was watching this comedian, and I can’t remember his name. But he was like, he grew up in, was it Uganda? And the thing is, they actually get brought up on the British Empire in the British Empire.
Georgie 36:57
Commonwealth?
Geoff 36:57
Learning, learning the class, the class, curriculum curriculum, so they do British school essentially.
Georgie 37:02
Yeah.
Geoff 37:03
And the thing, that’s the thing, right, they learned all by Henry the Eighth, they learned all about, you know, you know, British history, but they learned nothing about—
Georgie 37:13
About Uganda?
Geoff 37:14
About Uganda, and like the history of Africa. Right? So Oh, was it Malawi? Anyways, he then he said he moved, he moved to the UK. And, you know, people are like, hey, you should like you should, like, go back to where you came from. And he’s like, what do you expect? All we know is the UK. Like, that’s why we moved here because I feel like a stranger in my own country.
Georgie 37:44
Oh that’s kind of sad.
Geoff 37:46
Yeah. It was like very on the nose comedy. The guy’s, the guy is great. But yeah, indigenous people. Yeah, that you call them...
Georgie 37:55
Yeah, I heard it in a video. Yeah. A Canadian was calling them Aboriginal, like,
Geoff 38:00
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 38:01
Canadian Aboriginals.
Geoff 38:03
Um, there’s also like the, what’s the the islands around Asia? The Polynesian? I think they’re called Polynesians.
Georgie 38:14
Yeah. Are they around Asia? Specifically? I thought they’re...
Geoff 38:19
Are the Polynesians an Aboriginal of...?
Georgie 38:25
I don’t think so.
Geoff 38:28
Malaysia, Aboriginals. Yeah. Aboriginal seems to be just like, oh, indigenous people, Malays natives, Aboriginals, orang also, which are classified... oh okay, well, anyways, yeah, they get called... Aboriginals. I think...
Georgie 38:43
I think we often use like the word indigenous to mean, like, the native people of the land.
Geoff 38:52
It’s really interesting because like you said, you search Aborigines and you get the Australians instantly. Or maybe it’s because—
Georgie 38:58
Okay, wait, why saying Aborigine isn’t okay? Hmm.
Geoff 39:03
Is the term Aborigine offensive?
Georgie 39:07
Yeah, that link there.
Geoff 39:08
Insensitive. Racist connotations from Australia. I really I feel like “abos” is probably worse, right.
Georgie 39:15
Oh, that’s yeah. I would not say that.
Geoff 39:17
Yeah, I wouldn’t say that.
Georgie 39:19
So it says you’re more likely to make friends by saying Aboriginal person. OK that’s fair.
Geoff 39:25
Just aborigine Jewish and Jews, I guess. Tourists Torres Strait Islander. Yeah. Either way.
Georgie 39:34
Yeah. Like to actually I think properly identifying people.
Geoff 39:38
Yeah. Have you ever been called a chink?
Georgie 39:41
Ooh.
Geoff 39:42
I don’t think I have.
Georgie 39:44
Like, to my face?
Geoff 39:45
Yeah.
Georgie 39:49
Look, I don’t know. I don’t think so. But I do remember kids like bullying me in school saying, “Oh, you’re a Chinese bitch”.
Geoff 39:56
Oh man.
Georgie 39:56
Like, when I was like maybe 10 or sorry, bit younger actually, yeah.
Geoff 40:01
Wow, brutal.
Georgie 40:02
And they do that thing where they pulled their eyes and stuff.
Geoff 40:04
Yeah.
Georgie 40:05
Yeah, yeah. Did you get, did you like get exposed to that kind of—
Geoff 40:08
Not too bad actually, it’s really surprising. Um, I’ve never been called a chink. But I have been asked if Jackie Chan was my father or something like that. That’s a really weird way to insult people. Because Jackie Chan is pretty cool. So I said, yeah, just yes.
Georgie 40:28
I think the way that it’s insulting, is all Asians at the same.
Geoff 40:33
Yeah.
Georgie 40:34
Kind of thing. Oh, have you seen um, was it Samuel L Jackson being interviewed on some show and the white guy who was interviewing him, it was like a pretty short segment, mistook him for another, like famous Black person?
Geoff 40:52
Oh. Oh I know Samuel L Jackson gets really gets mixed up with someone all the time.
Georgie 40:59
Yeah. Who’s the guy who plays Morpheus? In—
Geoff 41:04
Oh, Lawrence Fishburne?
Georgie 41:06
Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 41:08
He, yeah.
Georgie 41:10
There is a very famous video on YouTube where he’s being interviewed by this guy. And then he calls him out. He’s like, do you, you thought I was that guy! He was like, you said, you think Black people. That one. That’s the one.
Geoff 41:24
“Reporter confuses Samuel L Jackson is Lawrence Fishburne”.
Georgie 41:26
It’s terrific. But the great thing about is that the guy completely admits he’s brought him in. He’s like, I’m so sorry. And still like Samuel L Jackson grills him, but like, you know, it kind of, he, the white guy is.
Geoff 41:40
Yeah.
Georgie 41:41
Obviously embarrassed. And also apologetic.
Geoff 41:44
Yeah, that’s fair. And, you know, what else is embarrassing? That we’ve gone over time, so we won’t get to the number 10 on the list. That’s next episode.
Georgie 41:59
You can’t do that, there’s literally one more.
Geoff 42:00
You can—
Georgie 42:01
Barely interesting.
Geoff 42:02
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Georgie 42:07
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Geoff 42:21
I don’t know. Are you patriotic?
Georgie 42:23
No.
Geoff 42:23
Tune in next episode.
Georgie 42:26
See you next week.
Geoff 42:27
The Big Southern Land. Yeah, see you next week.
Georgie 42:30
Bye.
Geoff 42:30
Bye.