When did humans know fingerprints could be used for identification? We talk about crime, practical jokes, and various television drama and science fiction series. Content warning: Mentions of murder and sexual acts.
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When did humans know fingerprints could be used for identification? We talk about crime, practical jokes, and various television drama and science fiction series. Content warning: Mentions of murder and sexual acts.
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Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Geoff 0:00
Hi and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host, Geoff, and as always, I’m here with Georgie
Georgie 0:20
Yep.
Geoff 0:22
A moment of silence.
Georgie 0:23
Yeah. We were talking about—
Geoff 0:26
There’s lag?
Georgie 0:28
No, no, I did that on purpose.
Geoff 0:31
Oh, OK OK.
Georgie 0:32
Just just thought of actually, we had a meeting. Yes, we had a meeting at work, where we were, there was four of us in the call. Sorry, there were four of us, not was. There were four of us in the call.
Geoff 0:50
There was Jim, Jenny, Jack, and Jill and I, or is it me and Jack and Jenny and Jill and—
Georgie 1:02
And you all went up the hill to fetch a pail of water.
Geoff 1:05
And then we climbed the Beanstalk and fought Jedis.
Georgie 1:09
Ooh. You really changed that one up. I thought we were gonna go down the nursery rhyme route and talk about how it’s actually kind of morbid that he fell down and broke his crown.
Geoff 1:22
Oh. Yeah, shit, the crown. He broke a very important part.
Georgie 1:28
Wait, that, his crown is his head, right?
Geoff 1:30
Yeah.
Georgie 1:31
Yeah, cos I kept thinking of the crown that you get on your tooth when you break your tooth, and you need to, like a dental crown.
Geoff 1:41
I think that’s too complex for children.
Georgie 1:44
And also for the 1800s or whenever that kind of was. So anyway, we were in a Zoom, and we called upon someone in the call to share some of their thoughts. But that exact moment, they went silent, or there was an awkward silence. And then that person disappeared off the call. And we’re kike, um, I hope they weren’t offended. Did we do something wrong? Or were they just not interested in this conversation? And then they messaged on Slack and it turns out, their Zoom just froze at the exact moment that they probably planned to unmute and respond to and contribute to the conversation, but we were like, what’s going on?
Geoff 2:28
Yeah, yeah, oh man, the Zoom jinx, as in high jinks, but for Zoom. If I have to explain I guess it’s not that funny.
Georgie 2:38
No, I don’t get it.
Geoff 2:40
Zoom jinks, like high jinks but on Zoom? So you can Zoom jinks?
Georgie 2:46
No, I don’t—
Geoff 2:47
You know what high jinks are?
Georgie 2:48
No, is that a Pokemon?
Geoff 2:51
No, no, high jinks. So just like when you when you do fun stuff. I don’t know what you call a high jinks, like when you get up to this.
Georgie 3:00
Hang on. There’s a fun one. Yeah, there’s a fun one like, not too far from me.
Geoff 3:04
I don’t know how to spell this. Hi jinks, here you go.
Georgie 3:07
Oh.
Geoff 3:09
It’s not a bar. It’s—
Georgie 3:10
It is a bar though, at the same.
Geoff 3:12
It is a bar but yeah, but “boisterous or rambunctious carry ons”. So also spelled high jinx is defined addictions for, blah, blah, blah. Basically, it’s antics right? It’s like when you, I don’t know.
Georgie 3:26
Is it like banter?
Geoff 3:27
Funny jokes? It’s more physically, I don’t know. How do you get into high jinks, spell high jinks, is jinks a scam—no, it’s not—
Georgie 3:37
(laughs)
Geoff 3:38
Slang. Like what are—it’s really bummer that it’s a really popular bar at 4.9 stars. What does high jinks mean?
Georgie 3:47
Where is it? Oh it’s in Canberra.
Geoff 3:50
Yeah. Boisterous fun, high jinks behind the wheel of a car. Yeah, boisterous fun.
Georgie 3:55
Okay.
Geoff 3:55
So I don’t know, burnouts in a car as this explains is like a high jinks.
Georgie 3:59
Okay, let’s go into this. When have you read? Would you say you you engage in high jinks? You cause high jinks?
Geoff 4:07
No, I mean, if you were to say a sentence, yes, but me personally, I do not engage.
Georgie 4:13
But have you, have you ever had an incident that are like, have you ever engaged in some ridiculous boisterous fun?
Geoff 4:23
No, I don’t think so. This is stuff like trolling. I think this is like the original trolling where you, you I dunno, take someone’s pen and they reach over and the pen’s not there and they’re like cacking it because you—
Georgie 4:37
Is this like when you tap someone on the shoulder, but you’re—
Geoff 4:41
Oh yeah.
Georgie 4:42
But you’re standing on the opposite side.
Geoff 4:43
I do that to my nieces all the time, and they’re just like, why do you do that? I know it’s you, I’m like, because at some point you’re gonna forget.
Georgie 4:51
It doesn’t get old, probably why it’s so silly.
Geoff 4:54
Yeah.
Georgie 4:55
I wouldn’t say it’s boisterous. It’s very, like you said the early—yeah.
Geoff 5:00
Yeah.
Georgie 5:00
Innocent, almost.
Geoff 5:03
Most high jinks, I think are innocent. Let’s go with examples of high jinks.
Georgie 5:10
So the tapping on the shoulder one reminded me of school, and this one time a kid pulled out my chair before I sat back down, or I was standing at my desk and they pulled my chair out. They thought it was funny. I did not because I really was not expecting it. And I landed like straight on my butt. And I was quite upset.
Geoff 5:28
I’ve done that to somebody before.
Georgie 5:33
(laughs) Wait did you do that to me? For some reason I have this memory of you doing that to me at like a codebar thing or something.
Geoff 5:39
No, maybe? I mean, that’s a high jink, I guess. Yeah. So I did it to someone back in like primary school. Don’t ask me why, just had a spur of a moment. Oh, right. I remember why. So... no, do I? Anyway, so something along the lines of me, them getting out of their chair, and then I just decided to take the chair because I left the chair. And then and then I think they dragged me across the room in the chair. Oh, wait, that’s the thing. I don’t think I actually pulled the chair out from anyone.
Georgie 6:16
You sat on the chair?
Geoff 6:17
Yeah, I sat on the chair that they left. And they weren’t very happy. So they tried to drag, drag the chair, like get me off the chest, so they dragged the chair across the room, and I’m still on it. So they’re just dragging me across the room. And then they pulled me outside and they were ready to beat me up. And then my my sister rolled by because she was doing like, teacher assistant teacher aide stuff. She was like, what’s going on? I’m like, nothing much. About to got my ass kicked. Yeah, and it was especially funny for the time I guess. Because it was it was a girl who was gonna get, was gonna kick my ass and I fully believed that she she could, she was capable of doing it. So—
Georgie 7:01
You fully believed, you said,
Geoff 7:03
Oh, yeah, yeah, she she wasn’t like a pleasant person. Nor, and she was I don’t think she was known for being physical. But yeah, she was really, you know, gearing up for it. You know, the whole arms like “let’s do this!” like, like throwing it to your side.
Yeah.
Those were the days. I was a real shit in primary school. As you can tell.
Georgie 7:28
I feel like I’ve had this conversation with many friends before where they tell me that they were a little shit in school. And I’m like, tell me more.
Geoff 7:38
But apart from that, I mean, it was fine. It’s good times.
Georgie 7:42
Yeah.
Geoff 7:43
Good times. So I’ve no, I’ve never pulled a chair out from under somebody.
Georgie 7:49
Well, no, you don’t pull out from under the person. You wait until, like playing a prank.
Geoff 7:55
Yeah.
Georgie 7:55
Speaking of pranks—I do have a prank that I saw in high school that I just feel like sharing. I think we were all in like, grade eight, nine, maybe, we had this science teacher whom everyone loved, loved to pick on. And there was this one guy at school who was a pretty quiet and reserved person. But he would play or he would like to play practical jokes. But you just would... he just had such as like a quiet, unassuming demeanour that he’ll be you always wonder if he actually really got a laugh out of playing the pranks or not. So—
Geoff 8:36
So he engaged in them? But he didn’t actually look like he enjoyed any of it?
Georgie 8:42
Well, more that he, he just liked to maybe observe what would happen after the pranks happened and not really care too much about about being known for the guy who did it, I guess. But everybody knew it was him anyway. So everyone liked to pick on this teacher and one day during science class he’s walking around with a post it note stuck on, not his butt, not his back, but like, like his lower mid back, so someone had stuck it on him somehow.
Geoff 9:13
Oh, is that small of your back, I think?
Georgie 9:16
Yeah. So like, you know, right, like down there somewhere. Like so someone had stuck it on him but without him knowing. And what they had actually written on the person note was “sex me up”. “Sex me up”. Of course, everyone is cracking up. But as he was walking around, he was completely oblivious to the fact that he had a post it note on his back. This went for almost the whole lesson that this post-it note was stuck on his back. And every time he turned around, everybody, like laughed. And it turns out it was actually this guy who had done it. But he sneakily removed it before the end of the class because he thought the teacher could not possibly go around out, outside of this class, with that post-it note stuck on his back. And I remember at the time—now I think I’m the little shit—and I said to him, “why’d you take it off?” Because, because I don’t want to get in trouble if he walks around with that still stuck on him. But at the same time, I don’t know how anyone would like know, who exactly did it. And when it happened—
Geoff 10:20
Handwriting, handwriting analysis, someone will take it to get the get the handwriting, go hah, I’ve seen essays written by this boy. Or like, I don’t know, thumb fingerprints.
Georgie 10:34
Yeah.
Geoff 10:34
Cos, I mean, yeah, that’s pretty funny. But you’d say that he wasn’t like the type, or you can assume that he was the type to do that. Unless you actually knew him.
Georgie 10:47
Exactly, exactly. You wouldn’t, like you can take a look at him. And you wouldn’t think for a second that he was that kind of prankster person. But that’s when he became known as in in our cohort.
Geoff 10:57
It’s pretty funny. We had this guy back in high school. He was very like, up upright, you know, speaks very proper.
Georgie 11:08
Yeah.
Geoff 11:08
Had glasses and everything. And we would always, like refer to him with his full name. First and Last. Every single time.
Georgie 11:17
Geoffrey Chong. It was you. It was secretly you.
Geoff 11:21
No, definitely not me. I’m, I’m the guy who stole someone’s chair. Got up for absolutely no reason. But yeah, we would we would refer to him in his full name every single time. And one time I had we had blazers back at school, private school, yada, yada.
Georgie 11:42
Yeah.
Geoff 11:44
And I handed him my blazer one time, was like, can you hold on to this for a second? I turn around, and then I come, I turned back to him. And he had like, folded it into three. And like, over his arm as if he were a butler.
Georgie 11:58
(laughs)
Geoff 12:00
He did indeed look like a butler. But like that really solidified the whole butler vibe. So yeah, that was good time. No one really made fun of him. He was very smart. And he—
Georgie 12:16
That’s probably why?
Geoff 12:18
Yeah. Spoke spoke so proper that you really couldn’t, couldn’t like bully him, I guess. It’s like “hoo hoo you speak proper”, like, “Yes, I do. Thank you very much”.
Georgie 12:28
Yeah, that’s exactly probably how he would respond.
Geoff 12:31
Yeah, yeah. Actually, speaking of like, fingerprints and stuff, I started watching the Alienist.
Georgie 12:39
What the hell is that?
Geoff 12:40
Yeah.
Georgie 12:41
Why is that the, wait, why was that the chosen suffix? The alien-ist?
Geoff 12:45
Alienist. Yeah. So the description is basically that this is back in the 19th century. And this... this story is basically about the discovery of psychology. And this guy, who deals with psychology for the, in a very, like prevalent way, is called an alienist. Because back then, when someone was kind of like, you know, predisposed, in a non stereotypical way. They were quote, unquote, alienated from society, because they were not, quote, unquote, normal. And so the guy who deals with the abnormal is like an alienist.
Georgie 13:41
Okay.
Geoff 13:43
So, essentially, it’s a, it’s a mystery show, kind of like Sherlock, where he’s using psychology for the first time as a detective, in a way in a detective manner. So he is still his doctor. And he sees patients and you know, tries to get people to understand that their children’s behaviour, like bedwetting, is a sign of X, you know, emotional trauma, or, yeah.
Georgie 14:22
Yeah.
Geoff 14:22
So he’s trying to teach people that look, there’s nothing wrong with your kid. It’s just that you’re treating them unwell. And the they’re like, can you cure this? And he’s like, Well, there’s nothing to cure as such, because it’s not like an illness. He’s not sick. But yeah, people find it hard in the 19th century to understand like, wait, I just have to like, not yell at my kid all the time? Because it’s it’ll be better.
Georgie 14:53
Because it’s like new to them, that there’s no like wound to heal. There’s no like—
Geoff 14:57
Exactly.
Georgie 14:58
...sickness to like, get better from necessarily?
Geoff 15:01
Yeah.
Georgie 15:01
Is it kinda like a mental health that sort of like mental health stigma that in whatever century we’re bloody in right now.
Geoff 15:08
Yeah, I mean, it’s essentially that where no one understands that you can be, you can be ill of the mind and not have the devil inside you, you know?
Georgie 15:20
Yeah, like nothing is killing you but per se.
Geoff 15:25
Exactly. One of them was particularly, I guess provocative to some, where it’s like they they brought the daughter in, and they were basically saying like, well, she must have the devil inside her, she’s, I don’t know, thirteen or something like that, because she keeps touching her nether regions. The and the doctor says like, well, no, she’s there’s nothing wrong with her. She’s just experienced puberty. And they’re like, well—
Georgie 15:56
Do they know what puberty is at that point, like, in time?
Geoff 15:59
I think they, they, they, he knows. He said like she’s becoming a woman.
Georgie 16:03
Yeah.
Geoff 16:03
Right. And I guess she just has a higher sex drive or whatever, than other kids, so they’re just like, oh, she must be have the devil inside. And we have to like exorcise her.
Georgie 16:19
Yeah.
Geoff 16:19
He goes, well, no, she’s just more active than other kids.
Georgie 16:24
But then doesn’t that play into the fact that the parents think that masturbation is bad? And it’s like, where does that idea that come from?
Geoff 16:34
Exactly.
Georgie 16:34
Is it like, I mean, I assume some of it’s religion, but then where else is it like, sinful like, I mean, if if they think about it, literally as the devil then I assume it’s probably a religious thing that they like.
Geoff 16:46
A hundred percent.
Georgie 16:47
Shit’s a sin.
Geoff 16:48
Yeah, it’s like they had they had a priest there or something. And the priest was like, yeah, so that’s the devil. And then he’s like, no, it’s not the devil. Like get out of my practice. Like, what are you doing here? Priests aren’t allowed.
Georgie 17:05
Oh, the conflict.
Geoff 17:07
It’s crazy. But yeah, I started watching it. It’s a tad annoying, because they don’t solve it in like one episode. I’m in episode three, they still haven’t solved the, the murder mystery.
Georgie 17:21
Is this like the thing we were talking about, where in episodes, they’ll make you wait for next time. And then next. And then—
Geoff 17:28
Yeah, they’re just continuing. Really, they couldn’t, they haven’t figured it out. So like, they’re still trying to get all the pieces together. And, right. The reason why I brought this up was that they had just, they had just found out about fingerprints. Like, actually using fingerprints to identify people wasn’t a thing back then. So they’re trying to find this murderer who’s going around and like basically, he’s basically is here. Yeah, it’s a serial killer. Because they have a specific motive. And, or MO, as the people will say in the biz—
Georgie 18:04
What does it, why do they call it MO actually?
Geoff 18:07
It’s a memorandum operatus or something.
Georgie 18:10
Is it modus operandi?
Geoff 18:13
Memorandum operandi or something? Yeah, maybe? Operandi? “An individual or group’s habitual way of operating, which represents a discernible pattern”.
Georgie 18:26
Oh, yes.
Geoff 18:28
So my MO is that I wear a black shirt.
Georgie 18:31
Wait, hang on individual or group’s habitual way of operating?
Geoff 18:35
Yeah.
Georgie 18:36
Oh, okay. Okay, so it’s like we record—
Geoff 18:40
You gym everyday.
Georgie 18:41
I don’t go everyday, but yeah. So we have a podcast and that’s—
Geoff 18:44
That’s our MO.
Georgie 18:45
And we do recordings.
Geoff 18:49
Yeah, “mainly used to desribe criminal behaviour, and it’s often used by professionals to prevent future crimes”. Like ah, their MO is that they record podcasts, and therefore, they must be the one—the podcast is to defeat that podcast. Or killed their podcast? Yeah. They’re jealous of other podcasts.
Georgie 19:10
They could use our voice, if we called someone and we like organised some crime on the telephone. And—
Geoff 19:17
Yeah.
Georgie 19:17
And those calls are recorded they’d be like that fucking voice match the ones in this podcast.
Geoff 19:23
But the MO would have to be a pattern to kill. Like—
Georgie 19:27
Oh okay.
Geoff 19:28
Commit the crime itself.
Georgie 19:29
So if we just started talking about, like, on the podcast about plotting a murder, then?
Geoff 19:37
No, so the idea would be, we only kill podcasters in which are our competition.
Georgie 19:47
Ah, okay. All right. Yeah.
Geoff 19:49
And our MO is that they are our competition in podcasting as we podcast. So—
Georgie 19:55
Yeah.
Geoff 19:56
I think. Because in this one their MO is that they they kill, they kill boys who dress like girls.
Georgie 20:05
Okay.
Geoff 20:06
And that’s the pattern. They kill boy—so you see a boy that dress—a boy that dresses like a girl, it’s it’s obvious that they might die because the murderer’s MO is—
Georgie 20:15
Right. Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 20:17
It’s obvious that some might die because they are our podcast competition. Yeah. And so they were discovering that for the first time that they could possibly use, like fingerprints as a method of identifying somebody as a as, like, as the person who did the crime essentially. Sounds pretty interesting. It reminds me of this other one where they’re just doing psych, they’re in America in the 50s and they’re just figuring out serial killers as well.
Georgie 20:53
Yeah.
Geoff 20:53
And like, FBI. I can’t remember what that show is actually.
Georgie 20:57
When, when did we know as human,s know that everybody has unique fingerprints?
Geoff 21:03
Yeah?
Georgie 21:04
Like would that have been at the same time that this Alienist was set in?
Geoff 21:11
When did we finger prints...
Georgie 21:16
Unique?
Geoff 21:17
...identified people... or unique. “In China perhaps as early as 300 BC”.
Georgie 21:26
Holy—
Geoff 21:27
In Japan... in the United States since 1902.
Georgie 21:33
Woah.
Geoff 21:35
Wow, so China supposedly, was in 300 BC. And the United States (mocks) “we invented fingerprint identification in 1902, we’re the first”.
Georgie 21:48
Oh my god yeah, is this like a white people like thingummybob?
Geoff 21:53
I don’t think they claim that. “When was it discovered that fingerprints are unique? 1788, a German anatomist, first European to conclude fingerprints were unique to each individual”. 1880 Henry Faulds, not Fords, Faulds, suggested based on studies that fingerprints are unique to human. Huh, there you go. 1788 perhaps? I mean, it was written by Wikipedia. So who else, who knows if that’s true?
Georgie 22:20
Just check the sources. I mean, I don’t think we’ll bother to do that now but I’m just gonna take it with a grain of salt.
Geoff 22:27
Yeah, a big old bucket of salt.
Georgie 22:30
(laughs)
Geoff 22:34
But yeah, so I started watching that, but they don’t finish the bloody episode. They don’t finish the bloody case. I’ve watched three episodes, haven’t solved the case.
Georgie 22:42
You gotta wait for that action to happen, I’m assuming.
Geoff 22:45
Yeah, it’s one of the slow ones. I guess it is kind of an old show. Alienist?
Georgie 22:50
Really?
Geoff 22:52
Yeah. Nine...
Georgie 22:54
2018? That’s old?
Geoff 22:56
Final episodes. Final episodes, 2020. Oh, yeah. Wait, original release 2018, serious. Oh.
Georgie 23:04
Why did you think it was old? Does it just feel that way? Or?
Geoff 23:08
Yeah, I guess because it’s written in that time period, makes it feel old. Yeah. 2018 to 2020. Not bad.
Georgie 23:19
Oh, have you watched Silicon Valley?
Geoff 23:23
I have.
Georgie 23:23
Okay, I finished watching the whole thing. Finally. I just realise maybe I don’t want to talk about it because spoilers.
Geoff 23:31
Took you like a decade?
Georgie 23:33
No. Well, the thing is, I’ve watched up to—wait how many seasons are there? Six, I think?
Geoff 23:38
Really?
Georgie 23:38
I’ve forgotten. I need to remember.
Geoff 23:41
It’s six? I thought there was like three.
Georgie 23:43
I think there’s six. And then I’d watched like three? I think I’d watched three and then I got damn near sick of it.
Geoff 23:51
How do you get sick of it?
Georgie 23:53
The guy was a douchebag.
Geoff 23:56
Which one?
Georgie 23:57
Okay, the protagonist—
Geoff 23:58
Oh okay.
Georgie 23:59
Just became a very frustrating character. And at times, and I get this push and pull. But I know that sometimes they write a main character to for you to feel sorry for them, but then also really hate their guts at the same time. And then they kind of pull you back and forth with this. But then he became more of a annoying character that that that you love—or you don’t love to hate but that you hate. And then I had to take a break from the show. And then Nick started watching it again, I think on on flights to kill time. And then because I didn’t really want to do anything else. I just did the AirPods sharing and decided to listen in and watch as well. And then over the past couple of months, we just ended up finishing the series and the character does become a little bit more, like a bit nicer and you do feel more empathetic and you sort of forget that in some of the seasons he was a real jerk. But yes, finally finished that one. Another one that I actually finished watching.
Geoff 25:06
Got like five. (laughs)
Georgie 25:08
Hey?
Geoff 25:11
You got like five?
Georgie 25:13
Five what?
Geoff 25:14
Finished ones?
Georgie 25:16
Oh like series that I finished watching?
Geoff 25:18
Yeah.
Georgie 25:19
I’ve got a few actually but some of them I don’t know if they count because they only ran for like one or two seasons.
Geoff 25:26
Oh yeah they count. Why not?
Georgie 25:28
Because it feels like a cop out. Okay—
Geoff 25:31
Like Sherlock right? Yeah Sherlock, BBC Sherlock. Um, that one ran for—
Georgie 25:37
Two? Seasons?
Geoff 25:38
Four seasons? Really? It’s three episodes every season, but it did go for four. Four seasons.
Georgie 25:44
Oh I thought it was two.
Geoff 25:45
13 episodes actually, that’s just the normal. It’s a normal run of the mill TV show, except every episode’s an hour and a half long.
Georgie 25:52
Okay, so the one that I watched that was one season was called, I Am Not Okay with This. And it was on Netflix. And I think it was only eight episodes. And one season and they were gonna renew it, but then pandemic happen and they were like eh, so it sat at one season.
Geoff 26:10
I really don’t understand this whole eight episode thing.
Georgie 26:13
Yeah?
Geoff 26:15
It’s so annoying, because obviously, if you come from watching TV shows, a minimum of episodes per season is like 24.
Georgie 26:25
But how’s—
Geoff 26:26
Or like, 13.
Georgie 26:27
What’s the duration?
Geoff 26:30
Okay, fair enough. There’s a 20 minute episode. So but like, Sherlock, fair enough, because every episode is like one and a half hours and you do get mostly the every single one. What’s it? Was it a crime per season? So it was like three episodes, and that made it like—woah.
Georgie 26:49
I vaguely remember them being long in Sherlock. I haven’t seen the whole series, but I thought that they had a long running time of like, up to an hour.
Geoff 26:58
Hour and a half, I think.
Georgie 26:59
Okay, yeah, like basically like a goddamn movie, which for me sucks ass.
Geoff 27:05
Yeah, one hour, 20 minutes. I think you were, he was able to solve one, one case, per episode. But they had a long running one, they had a long running case that was behind the scenes, or rather through the entirety of the season or every season. So he was trying to solve a long case. Simultaneously, you get to see a resolution of a single case for emphasis.
Georgie 27:32
So that reminds me of Doctor Who, which I kind of stopped watching in... I think I stopped watching after season seven or eight. I think they’re probably up to, what are they up to now? I don’t even remember. Anyway—
Geoff 27:47
I can’t imagine—
Georgie 27:49
Same premise, like each episode—
Geoff 27:51
Twenty-six seasons.
Georgie 27:53
Yeah, but that includes, so they had a, what do you called it, a remas—not remastered, like a reboot in 2005.
Geoff 27:59
Oh yeah.
Georgie 27:59
That’s usually the one that people talk about these days. So I’ve watched from from 2005 they started at, quote unquote, series one or whatever.
Geoff 28:08
Oh. Okay.
Georgie 28:10
And then I watched that one, and then the the ones after that up to like number seven or eight. But yeah, same—
Geoff 28:17
2006? Really. So they did this reboot, because there is definitely an older—
Georgie 28:21
There’s an older, yeah, from like the 1960s, which was obviously very different.
Geoff 28:28
Yeah, I watched, I tried watching from that very first—
Georgie 28:31
No, you don’t, don’t—so the one thing they actually recommend... I know this because I used to be quite a big fan. They recommend you start from the reboot. Season One. Or another good point to start is I think season five. I think. It was either, either what was it? I think one. One and five maybe the best ones was what people generally recommended, but every season is kind of different anyway, and there is like some overarching thing to solve in each season. And then each of the episodes have, yeah.
Geoff 29:10
Yeah, I did not watch the episodes in 1963.
Georgie 29:12
(laughs) The black and white BS. Yeah. So did you watch like a rebooted one? Probably.
Geoff 29:20
The first 2006 one.
Georgie 29:23
Weren’t into it?
Geoff 29:25
Yeah, the thing is, I also I’m not too into Star Trek. So that kind of thing.
Georgie 29:34
I don’t know if it’s the same. Star Trek looks boring to me, but I liked Doctor Who.
Geoff 29:40
It’s sci fi, travelling, it’ss travelling through space and time and stuff like that. Star Trek does the same thing.
Georgie 29:47
And you’re not like into it.
Geoff 29:48
And you just, you just meet like random other people and you do some high jinks and—
Georgie 29:53
(sniggers)
Geoff 29:53
...you, yeah, I don’t know. I guess I could give it a solid go because back in the, back in the timeframe of like, when Doctor Who started picking up in 2006, apparently, and when Star Trek started picking up again as well, I was watching Stargate. So that was my space travel—
Georgie 30:17
And you were like that’s my quota. I’m...
Geoff 30:19
That’s it.
Georgie 30:20
Yeah.
Geoff 30:21
I pick one that’s, legit what I do, is I go and pick exactly one out of the entirety of the of sub—
Georgie 30:30
Genre?
Geoff 30:30
Series genre. Yeah. And then I’d go with that.
Georgie 30:33
Wait, you’ve seen Futurama?
Geoff 30:36
Futurama? Yeah, I’ve watched Futurama. Yeah.
Georgie 30:38
Yes. Is it better than the Simpsons? (laughs) I don’t know—
Geoff 30:42
Yes.
Georgie 30:42
I don’t know if you can compare them. But yeah.
Geoff 30:44
I think so.
Georgie 30:46
I think it’s miles better than the Simpsons and I will—
Geoff 30:49
I—
Georgie 30:49
Yeah.
Geoff 30:50
I don’t like the concept of a...
Georgie 30:53
Dysfunctional...
Geoff 30:53
Horrible father. For some reason. Like, that’s just it. I couldn’t watch Rick and Morty for a while because the grandpa was just such a dirtbag of a person. Such a shitbag person that, just like, he just mistreated, absolutely everybody, and he didn’t give a fuck. So I was like, well, I can’t watch this.
Georgie 31:15
What about like, what’s it called? Family? Guy? I don’t know. I cannot stand that. Like—
Geoff 31:22
Yeah yeah yeah, I can do Family Guy.
Georgie 31:25
You can or you can’t?
Geoff 31:27
I can. I can. Yeah.
Georgie 31:28
I don’t know.
Geoff 31:29
Family Guy is just a dumb idiot. Just absolute...
Georgie 31:32
I don’t know, I feel borderline offended by it. If not totally offended. Something about it just. It’s really hard to stand.
Geoff 31:40
Yeah, he is quite difficult to, but it’s all written by the same bloody person. So, that’s really—
Georgie 31:48
Just rehashed content.
Geoff 31:50
Yeah, just rehashed. We’re back on the rehashes these days anyways.
Georgie 31:54
Oh, so I heard that there’s actually another season of Futurama coming out.
Geoff 31:59
Ooh.
Georgie 31:59
This year, they’ve already like, I think season, season eight. Is that what—I can’t remember like, thing things sometimes. But if you look, if you look on Wikipedia, oh there you go. IMDB has some info. But I was reading the Wikipedia page for Futurama. And it’s said they, they’ve already recorded something or they’re gonna release this year.
Geoff 32:23
Woah. Well. What was I gonna say, all right, right. So how I pick a single TV show and a whole genre of things. Back when what was going on? It was there was a whole bunch of vampire series, right?
Georgie 32:43
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 32:43
It was like, Twilight.
Georgie 32:45
Yeah.
Geoff 32:46
Vampire Diaries. True Blood. That’s right. So those three were being present, were like being really popular at the time. And people were like, oh, man, True Blood’s great, or Vampire Diaries. And I’m like, All right. I’m gonna pick one out of the three to watch. So I watched the—wait, Vampire Diaries was a movie series, wasn’t a TV show. So it was basically just Vampire Diaries or True Blood. I’m like all right, let’s see what the hype’s about. I watch True Blood. And I’m like, o...kay, it’s—
Georgie 33:21
I have not seen it. By the way.
Geoff 33:23
Have you not seen it?
Georgie 33:24
I don’t care about spoilers.
Geoff 33:26
Yeah, if I can recall correctly, True Blood was kind of like, you know, vampires were, you know, seen as acceptable in society ish.
Georgie 33:38
Yeah.
Geoff 33:39
Kind of like the minority. So it’s kind of set in a world where there are vampires running around. And because they had developed a way to create blood. I think it was fake or was it like donor blood? Either way, they were able to, you know, use this fake blood and, you know, live as a normal society without killing people. Of course, you get the bad vampires in the ground killing people. So I watched the first episode. I was like, okay, it’s kind of it’s kind of good. It’s a little bit raunchy. I think people will like that about—
Georgie 34:10
Yeah isn’t it a bit like sexual? Is that what you mean?
Geoff 34:13
Yeah.
Georgie 34:14
That’s what I’ve heard about it. Yeah.
Geoff 34:15
And then I watched The Vampire Diaries. And the Vampire Diaries leaned a lot more into what we would classically understand vampires to be you know, kind of little like obviously secret. And they adhered by also the traditional rules, like they cannot cross a threshold unless being invited.
Georgie 34:42
Okay.
Geoff 34:42
They also are harmed not significantly like proof dead by the sun. But you know, they’re, dispose, predisposed not to enjoy sunlight. And I can’t remember the other things but yeah, they essentially oh, driving stakes through hearts and stuff like that, you know? A little bit more—or was that vampire, that was vampires wasn’t it, driving stakes through hearts. How to kill a vampire...
Georgie 35:27
(laughs)
Geoff 35:10
Six ways to stop a vampire. Three ways, ah okay. So yeah, in fiction, identify the vampire, step one, this is a wiki half. Step one, identify the vampire, step two, ward it off, vampire, right. So holy, holding holy objects, spreading small grainy items, I salt or sand, sim, blah blah, blah. Decapitate, stuffed with garlic to prevent the vampire from coming back. Attack it with objects, wooden stakes, yeah, wooden stakes and holy water and stuff like that and the sun. And of course equip your hero with appropriate tools like holy swords. Any case, in roleplay! Okay. So, so they adhered a lot more to those kind of traditional rules. And I was like, okay, I think I enjoy the characterisation of these vampires more than True Blood vampires.
Georgie 35:32
Okay. Yeah.
Geoff 35:32
Despite the fact that it was basically a rom, a romantic drama. Right.
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
It’s about this chick who fell in love with this guy who looked really hot. He was walking by, basically—
Georgie 36:23
Basically Twilight.
Geoff 36:25
Basically Twilight, but without the sparkling bullshit. (mocking) We’re in the sun. We sparkle, so we shouldn’t be in the sun. Oh my god. So, but then she like she starts off with a romance. Obviously, the brother comes along and she’s hot for the brother too, little bit of a triangle. And she starts getting embroiled, like in the whole family vampire, you know, patriarch?
Georgie 36:54
Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 36:56
Because obviously this is the same thing as if, I dunno, a 19th century a white person married a black person. That’s literally what like, accepting a human is a vampire in the vampire family is like, so I think, I think it had its merits. And despite the name being Vampire Diaries, she did write in her diary. Like, once, in the entire season.
Georgie 37:16
(laughs)
Geoff 37:17
She would narrate as if she was writing in the diary, but you always saw it like a handful of times.
Georgie 37:22
It was just the name of the show, right? Nothing really wrong.
Geoff 37:26
I am one of those people who enjoy shows that uh, stay true to the name, like—
Georgie 37:30
Oh, okay!
Geoff 37:31
Kill off Harry Potter, and Harry Potter, what you got? Like got nothing, right? But like Vampire Diaries, you gotta have a diary, obviously.
Georgie 37:41
Actually, this reminds me of medical dramas. Did you have a chosen like medical drama that you like watched?
Geoff 37:48
Oh, like when Grey’s Anatomy came out? And all that bullshit.
Georgie 37:53
Uh huh. Yeah. So did you have one? Okay.
Geoff 37:57
Yeah, go for yours.
Georgie 37:58
Mine was House.
Geoff 38:00
Yeah.
Georgie 38:01
And then—
Geoff 38:01
House is my selection.
Georgie 38:03
I don’t—thank you. And people would, people would talk about Grey’s Anatomy and cry about it. And I’d be like, you know what? No, I have committed to House. I think it was on every Wednesday. And that was really good for me. Because at the time, that was the only day I didn’t have any like extracurricular shit, like dancing or swimming or piano or whatever. So I’d sit, like go back home from school on Wednesday. And, and look forward to watching House in front of the television. By the way, kids. We did not have Netflix. We had—
Geoff 38:35
Oh yeah, kids.
Georgie 38:35
We had to sit in front of the television. And wait for the for the time that that the show was scheduled on.
Geoff 38:45
Yeah. Yeah. So in other medical shows in that time that was ER.
Georgie 38:50
My mum liked that one? Yeah.
Geoff 38:51
Yeah. House. Scrubs.
Georgie 38:53
Oh yeah Scrubs.
Geoff 38:53
I feel like, Scrubs was earlier, Scrubs was 2001. So it didn’t start 2005.
Georgie 38:58
Yeah.
Geoff 38:59
Unlike House and Grey’s Anatomy, which were one year apart.
Georgie 39:03
Which one was first?
Geoff 39:05
House then Grey’s Anatomy.
Georgie 39:07
No wonder I was—oh come on, that’s... yeah.
Geoff 39:11
Doc Martin, which was, which is funny. Yeah, Doc Martin is not quite a medical drama, the same as like House and Grey’s Anatomy. It’s if House moved to like the boonies. Or like out in the middle of nowhere. And he set up his own like little household GP practice.
Georgie 39:31
Is it, is it British by any chance?
Geoff 39:33
Yeah, it’s British.
Georgie 39:34
Oh, god. Yes. It’s got, like the British humour to it. Kinda thing.
Geoff 39:38
Yeah.
Georgie 39:38
Yeah.
Geoff 39:38
He’s like the, he’s the grumpy guy in an otherwise jovial like little township.
Georgie 39:44
Yeah. I can imagine this. I can fully, this is very British.
Geoff 39:48
Yeah. Everyone who comes in is like a bloody idiot, it’s like, (mimicking British accent) “aw Doc, like, do I need to, you know, bang my head against the table to solve this?” He’s like, “No, you idiot. You take this pill and go on your way”.
Georgie 40:02
Is it like Fawlty Towers? Have you seen Fawlty Towers?
Geoff 40:05
I have seen a little bit of Fawlty Towers.
Georgie 40:06
Oh man, we watched the whole, the all entirety, because there’s not many episodes and Fawlty Towers, and it was kind of almost unbearable in this day and age. Like, and some of the stuff like some of the jokes wouldn’t fly today, because it’s not very woke. And it’s kind of odd, but I can picture that Doc Martin humour being quite similar.
Geoff 40:27
Yeah, it’s quite, it’s quite amusing. I watched Doc Martin like, but I watched Doc Martin back in early 2010s, late 2010s. I probably watched it yet like a couple of decades. Oh, no couple—
Georgie 40:42
Late?
Geoff 40:42
Because that’s 2004— like a decade later. So I watched Scrubs. And then when, but Scrubs is less serious than House most of the time. House and Grey’s Anatomy, be definitely worthy. Nip Tuck. Didn’t really get into again, raunchy doctors, I guess.
Georgie 41:04
Oh, is that what it was, yeah. Because I always saw ads and I didn’t really give a shit.
Geoff 41:08
Yeah, I feel like it was the the raunchy version of—
Georgie 41:13
Because isn’t it like alluding to plastic surgery?
Geoff 41:17
Oh, yeah, I had no idea.
Georgie 41:18
People wanting to whatever be beautiful and stuff.
Geoff 41:22
This often campy series centers on the office of “Dr. Sean McNamara and Dr. Christian Troy, longtime practice surgery in two entirely different ways. Stereotypical self destructive Playboy, and family man facing moral crossroads”. Yeah, okay.
Georgie 41:40
Not my thing.
Geoff 41:42
Yeah, yeah, we like, we like a Sherlock. House, House is basically Sherlock but in in, Doctor. Yeah, he has a Watson and everything. So if you haven’t watched it, go ahead and watch it.
Georgie 41:55
I actually haven’t finished. I mean, I never finished watching it. I think I stopped after like, maybe five seasons.
Geoff 42:02
I feel like I finished it. I probably would have. But I don’t remember the ending at all. Maybe he gets together with one of the actual doctors later.
Georgie 42:10
I thought he did kind of have a thing with one of them in one season and then...
Geoff 42:15
Yeah, they always they just rotate. They just go through the whole practice having everyone match up.
Georgie 42:22
Yeah. It’s like, have you ever watched Home and Away way or even just like a little bit of it?
Geoff 42:25
Yeah. Home and Away is the chosen one in my family?
Georgie 42:29
Over like Neighbours and shit? Yeah. I dunno, it was for me, at like my parents’. Like it was, that was always the one that was on as well.
Geoff 42:35
Yeah. So so yeah, Home and Away. Definitely the chosen one.
Georgie 42:43
Yeah.
Geoff 42:44
And what else was there? In any case, we that’s all we have time for anyway. So let’s Home and Away.
Georgie 42:54
Yes.
Geoff 42:54
This episode. So uh, how do we end this thing again? Something along the lines of you can follow us on Twitter at @toastroastpod. Get all the new episodes in your feed? Or do we have to pay for Twitter Blue now to get on people’s feeds? Probably.
Georgie 43:14
I don’t even understand how it works. We’re still, I feel like we’re teetering over the Twitter thing, just like not even talking about it. Yeah, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you find podcasts and the big house.
Geoff 43:31
Yes, the big house. Big Blue, the Big Blue House, Big Bear.
Georgie 43:36
(laughs) Big Bear.
Geoff 43:40
And new episodes every Monday.
Georgie 43:43
So see you next week.
Geoff 43:45
Bye.