Witnessing accidental nudity which led us back back to the toilet talk discussing the magic of gender nuetral toilets and water pressure.
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Witnessing accidental nudity which led us back back to the toilet talk discussing the magic of gender nuetral toilets and water pressure.
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Toast & Roast:
Georgie:
Geoff:
Geoff 0:08
And welcome back to another episode of Toast &. Roast. I am still your co host Geoff, you haven’t got rid of me yet. And here I am with, still the co-host, Georgie. C. Cooke?
Georgie 0:25
Yay, you know my name.
Geoff 0:28
C L Cooke... got so many. Actually I’ve got a few letters myself, but that’s for another time.
Georgie 0:36
G, Y, A? A?
Geoff 0:39
Ooh, A?
Georgie 0:39
A.
Geoff 0:40
G, Y, A, F, who do we appreciate? Geoff! Or Gyaf!
Georgie 0:50
Can you spell your name like that from now on?
Geoff 0:52
G Y A F? Gyaf.
Georgie 0:59
Oh dear. I still have your name as Artemis in my—you know what’s funny everybody, while I was, while I was on my holidays, I sent, I sent Geoff like two things: one of them was, we went to a museum and there were like three, three goddesses. And one of them was like—oh they, oh they were all the goddess Artemis—
Geoff 1:27
Three depictions.
Georgie 1:28
I was just like, “Which one is you?” And he’s like straight up he just goes, “definitely the middle one”.
Geoff 1:33
Yeah, they really got my good side back then.
Georgie 1:38
I can’t even remember what year it was. And then the other thing was we were actually in an area called Artemis.
Geoff 1:44
You were inside me.
Georgie 1:46
That sounds fucking wrong.
Geoff 1:51
Actually, speaking of being inside people. I don’t know if it’s your jam, but The Boys had a really, really—if anybody watches The Boys, go watch The Boys.
Georgie 2:02
What is The Boys?
Geoff 2:04
So it’s like kind of you’re like anti superhero, not anti superhero...
Georgie 2:09
Is it literally spelled, the, boys like there’s—
Geoff 2:12
Yes, The Boys.
Georgie 2:14
Like some B, O, Y, Z?
Geoff 2:16
No, no, like, not like Soldier Bois. Or like Boyz II Men. But yeah, so basically, if if you watch general, you know, superhero movie like Marvel, there’s all it’s always like, pretty positive, right? You have a vigilante who has superpowers, and they’re going around helping people. It’s all hunky dory, right? This is set in a dystopian time. And it’s kind of like the cartoon iInvincible if anyone’s watched that as well.
Georgie 2:52
I haven’t even watched it.
Geoff 2:55
It’s a dystopian timeline time dystopian idea of what if all of the heroes were conglomeraterised, cong—conglomerise? Corporatise. Corporate corporatised. Right. So basically, all the superheroes are placed on a, you know, a corporate team, like a team that’s got lots of lots and lots of other things like pumping out toys, pumping out TV shows, movies, the whole shebang. So they have a whole PR team. And like, they only say certain things. And it’s kind of like if you went to Disneyland, and you’d look, you met with one of the princesses they’re only allowed to tell you Princess lines and they act like the princess.
Georgie 3:41
Yeah.
Geoff 3:41
But they’re owned by the mega corp of Disney. Right? So it’s kinda like that. And the the whole plot, I guess, is that there’s a group of boys. Actually, they just got a couple girls, I think recently, anyways. And they’ve been kind of wronged by the superheroes. Because the superheroes aren’t trained heroes. They’re not trained anything really. They’re just people who so happened to have superpowers. So they make mistakes. And the corporation essentially aims to cover up those mistakes because you have to cover up the image keep the image clean, they’re superstars, right.
Georgie 4:23
Yeah.
Geoff 4:23
So you know, so these group these, this group kind of aims to try and take down the big machine that is the superhero conglomerate. Because yeah, the superheroes are essentially going around doing whatever the hell they want, and they never get bad publicity because well, publicity is how that company makes money off these superheroes. So yeah, what’s it like privatising the idea of superheroes?
Georgie 4:51
Interesting.
Geoff 4:52
Very gory.
Georgie 4:54
Why’s it gory?
Geoff 4:56
Blood, guts everything.
Georgie 4:57
Definitely not my thing. Yeah.
Geoff 5:00
If a superhero kills somebody like you, you literally see everything fall out like of them. So yeah.
Georgie 5:08
Strange. So wait, why? Why did you bring this up again?
Geoff 5:11
Oh yeah, cuz this is an episode where they, where someone goes inside somebody. And like kind of like—
Georgie 5:17
Oh. Wow this is like really like gory dark shit.
Geoff 5:22
Yeah. So I don’t want to spoil anything but yeah, pretty much.
Georgie 5:27
But do you recommend it? For people who think they might be into that?
Geoff 5:32
Yeah, I think so. I think if you like, really, like, basically dark gore, gory kind of TV shows. It’s pretty good. The plot and everyone’s like, motivations are pretty clear. And the conspiracy and the, yeah, the plot twists are pretty good. But, you know what, it’s probably one of the only TV shows that’s ever shown me something that has kind of disturbed me, you know, I’m pretty. I’m pretty unshakeable. I watched, like, C—I watched, like, all those crime scene or like Bones and all that kind of, you know, medical stuff whilst eating food. I have it on while I’m eating lunch and stuff like that. So pretty unshakeable.
Georgie 6:22
This alone as a topic is something I don’t even like. Like I don’t know what to say, because I don’t even really watch that kind of stuff.
Geoff 6:30
Yeah, but what do you do watch is the naked man across from your building.
Georgie 6:36
Excuse me, we are not going there. Watch the naked man. Oh, my God. Like he might actually even be there right now. Fuck my life. Okay, so context, everybody, I think like, was it two or three episodes ago, we had an episode called “Peering into our neighbour’s apartments”, we were talking about how you can’t always necessarily see details of your neighbour’s apartments. But maybe you can see like someone sitting there someone standing there or whatever.
Geoff 7:07
Cooking.
Georgie 7:08
What was that?
Geoff 7:09
Cooking cleaning?
Georgie 7:10
Yeah. And then I think I mentioned that there’s someone with a desk that I can see and I don’t ever see their face because they’ve got a big display or monitor on their desk. And I just see their feet dangling sometimes, from, because then their office or whatever faces outside. But the other day, I swear to God, right. Like, I wasn’t watching this person, I think I was like recording a message to my friend. And like there’s a, there’s an apartment across the way which I took a photo of it when there was nobody there, by the way. And I sent it to Geoff. And he was like, yeah, that’s really far away. Like you could almost like it’s far enough that it’s not intrusive, you’re standing there and like, quote, unquote, watching. But anyway, it’s not even directly across from my apartment. It’s kind of like over there, like diagonally. But this person’s apartment is in the direct line of like afternoon sunlight. And it was the afternoon I was recording a voice message to my friend. And literally this fucking guy in his apartment, like all of the blinds are up, every single one in his apartment. And often sunlight is going straight through the apartment. And he’s walking around in there like picking up stuff in the living room. And like, he turns around, and I realise he’s completely fucking naked. I thought he was just shirtless, walking around, like, which is whatever, like, quote unquote acceptable, that, we can go to another topic about whatever, double standards of topless people another time. But he was just walking around doing stuff in his apartment naked. And then he disappeared. I was like, okay, fine, whatever. And then, like, 10 minutes later, I’m just doing something else that I just like, turn around. I just look outside, because—I’m not watching, but he’s still fucking naked walking around in this fucking apartment. I was like, horrified. I’m like, What the fuck is going on? I’m not like berating anybody for walking around in the nude in their apartment. Like I do that sometimes too. But whatever. If someone sees me then, they’re probably gonna have the same experience that like I just did retelling the story of this dude, they they might be horrified. I don’t know.
Geoff 9:29
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 9:30
But I expect right that like if my blinds are up, and I am walking around, extremely casually, nude that someone may see me. Right, like—
Geoff 9:42
It is a fact that you accept.
Georgie 9:44
Yeah.
Geoff 9:45
You risk for.
Georgie 9:46
And like sometimes. Sometimes I’m like, I don’t care. Whatever I need, I need to go and grab something. And I you know, I took my towel off already or whatever. From showering. I’m just gonna grab some stuff or whatever.
Geoff 9:58
Yeah.
Georgie 9:59
But other times cuz I might be like, hmm, I feel a bit self conscious. I’m just gonna grab a shirt and hold it over me. Like, until I, until I like, get my clothes and get dressed.
Geoff 10:11
But I mean, like, that’s, I guess the, the risk of living in apartments, like it’s not something you would normally think about if you have lived in houses. So—
Georgie 10:28
Yeah.
Geoff 10:29
Yeah, I think it’s kind of strange actually.
Georgie 10:31
But then like if you have like a change room, like an open change room. Right?
Geoff 10:35
True, true.
Georgie 10:36
Like, people can’t like, in an open change room and there’s like, no cubicles, what, you, like some people, they’re just like, ah fuck it, I’m just gonna, you know, get dressed here and not try to like cover myself to like not spend too much time bothering trying to cover myself.
Geoff 10:51
Ah man. Back in high school...
Georgie 10:55
Yeah, did everyone at school, like were they really like self conscious? About getting dressed?
Geoff 11:00
Well, um, I mean, I don’t know about that. But I was like, really super fast about it. And I like, and like, not concocted, but like, had lots of ways to keep covered while simultaneously like changing.
Georgie 11:19
Yeah.
Geoff 11:21
But yeah, it was like one of those things. This is really weird, like being being in a change room. But then I went into an onsen and and everything’s kind of okay. It’s like you come out a changed person after going into onsens.
Georgie 11:34
Yeah.
Geoff 11:35
Which are hot baths for for anyone who doesn’t know, in Japan, where everyone is naked.
Georgie 11:42
Yeah, I guess getting getting changed etiquette is so, I don’t know. Like, is there, is there an etiquette?
Geoff 11:53
Is there an etiquette?
Georgie 11:54
I think if you’re not like flashing anyone who doesn’t want to be flashed? And if you’re doing what you need to do, which is getting changed, then whatever, I guess.
Geoff 12:06
Yeah. Yeah. I mean—
Georgie 12:08
And if you’re not like leering at other people in the change room, it’s probably fine. Right?
Geoff 12:16
Yeah, this is why they have gender split stuff, right. But—
Georgie 12:20
Ooh speaking of, speaking of gender split, and like gender neutral, I actually I was in an airport. I don’t remember which one—oh it was actually Sydney.
Geoff 12:30
You’re trying to think of a country.
Georgie 12:31
I know. It wasn’t a country, but um—“it wasn’t a country”!
Geoff 12:36
Haha Australia’s not a country, everybody.
Georgie 12:37
It’s not, everybody. We’re just we’re actually just like floating in the middle of like the stratosphere. Yeah. We’re just floating in the air. We’re not actually a country, nah. Yeah, it was coming back home. From my holiday. And, oh, funny thing. You know, those um, electronic passport, things that you scan your passport out, and you get a card and you go through the, what is it, passport control, whatever it is. For some reason, when we landed, they had like, cut half of it off or like, not really cut off. But they they directed us to go a certain way, which skipped like some of them, and also went past the Duty Free Store. But we wanted to go and buy some alcohol at the Duty Free Store. So we kind of went back. And then we asked the woman at the desk who, the cashier, “Do you know if there are any more of those passport control machines”, and she said, “Oh, you can actually go back” she said, and she pointed like in the direction where they kind of cut off, that where they didn’t let us go. And so we can, we skipped like a queue and then we went to those, the passport could—like there were like two kiosks. One of them wasn’t working, but the other one was, and so we were able to kind of skip the queue. And there happened to be a toilet there as well. Which we needed to go to the toilet. So anyway, I go there. And I didn’t know that—actually I still don’t know—if gender neutral toilets are like really prevalent in Australia because I don’t see them very—
Geoff 14:13
Yeah, one of the restaurants was actually kind of interesting when, like, my friend and friend Yeah, a friend and I I could I would say more colleague, I guess, but semantics doesn’t matter. Because then it’s not very sp—anyway, so. So colleague of mine, when we went to the bathroom together, and then, towards the bathroom, like left the table, towards the bathroom together, and then we both entered the same room. Both went to the bathroom, like toilet, came out of our cubicles, washed our hands, left and I was like, wait a second. I just didn’t realise that she and I had just gone to the same bathroom like, hey, that’s that saves a lot of space, hey. But.
Georgie 14:57
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 14:58
I had not realised It was a gender neutral bathroom. Either that or I just walked into the female bathroom.
Georgie 15:07
Yeah, like, oh my god, I think that guy—sorry I just glanced outside. And I think that guy’s fucking standing there, for fuck’s sake. Anyway, get back, I’m not looking at the fucking window anymore, fucking hell. Anyway, so it’s quite quiet where this toilet was in the airport. And then straight ahead of me, I see gender neutral toilets. And then it’s, I think it was like male on the left, female on the right, or the other way around. And then I was like, I just want to get out of the airport really quickly. So I just went to the gender neutral one, because I was like, yeah, whatever. And I think a lot of the ones that I’ve seen, like overseas are all just cubicles, I think, when they’re gender neutral, gender, eh, gender neutral. But this one it was like, I think it went like urinal, like male urinal, and then a toilet. I don’t know, it’s a bit odd, but layout was a little bit odd, but there was nobody there and I was like, whatever.
Geoff 16:10
You don’t, you don’t even, you don’t really want to walk in on dudes, like at urinals. I don’t want to walk in on dudes at urin, urinals.
Georgie 16:19
But it’s gender neutral. So it doesn’t matter if they’re a dude or not. They’re just other people I guess.
Geoff 16:23
Yeah, I know. But like people standing at urinals, it’s still a bit weird to me. I don’t think I’ve said it on the podcast, but maybe I said it to you. But it’s like for those who have never been in a male bathroom before or experienced having like urinals next to you. Imagine you were sitting down peeing in a cubicle without walls. That, that’s, that’s still like, awkward to me.
Georgie 16:46
Yeah, I’ve heard some of my male friends say this to me as well, that they just find that whole thing quite awkward.
Geoff 16:53
Yeah. Even though like sure. The dude next to you is probably not like peeking, looking down at your junk. And who cares if they’re peeking and looking at your junk, but you know what—
Georgie 17:04
You’re peeing in the open. Why aren’t you like, what’s the point in—my thinking, what’s the point in a toilet? Why don’t you just do this outside? And like a in a trough outside instead of in the bathroom?
Geoff 17:17
Yeah, well, what’s the point. But it’s still kind of weird. If you’re standing there trying to mind your own business trying to pee and there is someone else, where, you like, are within speaking distance. And this is also strange. Dudes talking at urinals, is also like weird. Like, do you got you guys all have your junk out? Having a casual conversation?
Georgie 17:44
Well, actually, I think like, as a woman, when I go to the toilet, and I go to a cubicle, if I’m going with a friend and she’s in the next cubicle. Sometimes we might say something to each other. But we’re not like, we can’t see each other. We’re just saying, oh, yeah, like, oh I don’t even know. Why are we talking about toilets.
Geoff 18:02
Yes. You know what, I’m kind of getting used to like, I still find it weird to talk to somebody on the other side of like, the toilet door.
Georgie 18:13
Oh like, yeah.
Geoff 18:15
My sister just like, like, knocks on the door. I’m like, “Yes?”. And she’s like, starts a conversation. I’m on the toilet. “So?”
Georgie 18:25
So you find it weird? I don’t find it too weird, I don’t think. Yeah.
Geoff 18:31
It’s like every, every now and then, right, I’ll have to, I’ll yell out to my to my partner if I need something or if like, I need to tell them something immediately.
Georgie 18:44
Yeah, that kind of thing, yeah.
Geoff 18:46
That kind of thing. But yeah. And so they don’t mind having full convos? Is it females? Do females just generally don’t mind full conversations being on the toilet?
Georgie 18:57
I’m not sure, but my mum would sometimes try and like chat, or she would continue a conversation if she needed to go to the toilet. That’s what my mum would do. She would continue the convo. But I don’t just go up and chat to like, a close friend or family member when they’re on the loo unless yeah, unless one, we already having a conversation, and we’re just continuing...
Geoff 19:21
Oh, yeah, just just just just continue whilst I go, I go sit down.
Georgie 19:29
Or two, like you were saying, I need to just quickly shout so they’re like, oh, can you like do this when you’re done, or so it’s something you might fear forgetting. Like, yeah, otherwise, although—I hope he doesn’t mind me saying this, but my personal trainer said, he was like, “I hate, I hate when people like my girlfriend interrupts me and I’m on the loo”, he’s saying like, I just I need to be there alone. It’s like, I don’t want to have a chat. Like, me, like, time for myself is what he said?
Geoff 20:03
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 20:04
I’ve also heard from people that it’s just like, they they need that time to do their business and they don’t want to be distracted by a conversation. So it’s not, it’s not the person, it’s more like they just that they need to just sit there by themselves or whatever.
Geoff 20:24
My my director of operations, at Compono, Compono, my work. She, she was telling us the other day that she shits with the door open. And like, what?
Georgie 20:41
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 20:43
She does everything door open. I’m like, “What about the smell”? And she’s like, I got sprays and stuff, it doesn’t really smell, but like—
Georgie 20:50
Does she live with a partner or like family?
Geoff 20:52
Yeah, a part, a partner, like family.
Georgie 20:55
Yeah, I mean, I gotta admit—
Geoff 20:56
Everything, door open.
Georgie 20:57
I gotta admit, sometimes I do that too, because it’s just like, what—and we have two toilets now? Have options. But I think that was this whole thing about how like, you’re, you know, you’re like, comfortable in a relationship with someone when you can just use the toilet with the door open. And it doesn’t mean they can just come on in and start a conversation or whatever. But it just means you’re, you’re fine, to, you know. Yeah, yes. I have heard this.
Geoff 21:27
Yeah. Yeah. So a topic adjacent to this.
Georgie 21:33
Yeah, alright!
Geoff 21:36
Shower tubs.
Georgie 21:37
Shower. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I... you’re talking about, there’s a bathtub, and a shower head over the top. And you stand in the tub to shower. Yeah?
Geoff 21:50
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Georgie 21:51
Just to make sure we’re on the same page. All right. I grew up with one.
Geoff 21:59
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 22:00
Yeah. That doesn’t necessarily mean I like it. I think I hate them. Now? Although before I didn’t mind them. Nick really fucking hates them. Basically, we’ll be looking at like a hotel or looking at Airbnbs and it will be like a deal breaker if they have a fucking shower tub. Because he’s also like, he’s six foot tall, and he can’t like, it just doesn’t work as well. Like it’s, I think you sacrifice some height.
Geoff 22:31
Yeah, yeah. Tub has to be off the floor. Yeah.
Georgie 22:37
It’s not comfortable. Like, in my parents’ place. It was just like, I’m sorry, but this is really fucking annoying. Sometimes.
Geoff 22:46
You have to like, step over, like standing in the bathtub. And then, and then sometimes the water’s just pooling at your feet, because it’s got nowhere else to go. Because the fucking drain’s too, too small and oh my god.
Georgie 23:03
So you have one?
Geoff 23:03
I’m living with it now. Yeah, living with it now. And I was like, when I moved in the first time I looked at it and go, do I just rip it out for a shower? I’m like here two to three years.
Georgie 23:04
Yeah.
Geoff 23:06
I could. I’m here for two to three years, do I rip it out for a shower? Then I was like oh no, impacts sale resale value. And apparently nowadays, that’s not exactly true.
Georgie 23:29
You know what calculation you should do?
Geoff 23:31
Yeah.
Georgie 23:31
Calculate how much it would cost to redo it.
Geoff 23:34
Yeah.
Georgie 23:35
And then calculate how much of your life you spend in the shower. And that as a percentage of your whole day. And that sounds... like you’re gonna spend a lot of money for—
Geoff 23:47
Oh god.
Georgie 23:48
Potentially...
Geoff 23:50
It’s like 10 minutes a day. I don’t know if I, yeah, that cost calculation is fucked. Ten minutes a day, and then you take your average salary, and you like, multiply that by you, like how long you stay there, it’s probably not worth the cost of—
Georgie 24:06
Exactly.
Geoff 24:07
Of a remodel. But that’s that’s the point, right? I was like, oh, no, it’s going to XYZ reason. So I shown I won’t rip it out and change it. But, you know, if you’re moving in for five to ten years, then yeah, then like, the recommendation actually kind of changes a lot of research that—my friend has done, not me—points towards like, oh, well, you will probably renovate the place before you sell it. If it’s that bad. And if someone moving in, wants a bathtub, they’ll renovate and put the bathtub in themselves. You know, it’s it’s one of those things. If you’re there for five to ten years, then do it for your own comfort. Don’t worry about the resale value. You don’t even know what the trends are like in five to ten years. So like, that’s like one of those things. And that’s exactly true with what they’re doing. They’re moving in, they’re like, we don’t like the bathtub, rip it out. There’s no bathtub, put one in, like, it’s fairly reasonable you’re gonna do some remodelling.
Georgie 25:13
Yeah, Nick told me that like, because he went through a couple of homes when he was a kid. His family moved around a couple of times. He, I think he said at first, he didn’t really understand like, renovation. And so they got this place that was basically really ugly. They didn’t really like it. Like the, I think one of the rooms had like, styled orange, orange wallpaper, orange everything. Another one was blue. And I think another one was green. And one of them smelled a lot like smoke.
Geoff 25:43
Oh god.
Georgie 25:43
And then I think they did it, I think they did it up. And it basically looked different. He was like, oh, but it’s just totally different now. That thought that—
Geoff 25:53
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 25:53
Yeah.
Geoff 25:54
You got to have that reno mindset, right? You got to go and you got to see, see, be able to see potential. Right. Yeah.
Georgie 26:01
So I think his parents have that kind of mindset where, wherever they’ve lived, they’ve been like, well, we, we want to do this to the place, like, or, we want to improve that, and this and that. And even his parents’ current home, they’ve done a few things, here and there, in inside and outside, to improve it and make it like how they want, which is so weird, because it’s something I’m not really interested in right now. I don’t know.
Geoff 26:25
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 26:25
I just, maybe it’s because I don’t own a place. So, or I don’t care?
Geoff 26:31
So, I’m also pretty much like, like when I would look for this first one. Like why do I want to move into a place where I actually have to do work? To make it like—
Georgie 26:41
Because it costs money. So—
Geoff 26:44
Yeah it costs money.
Georgie 26:44
Some people don’t want to spend that money.
Geoff 26:47
But let me just pick up one of these ones. Was... no, was it...?
Georgie 26:56
Oh, yeah, I was also thinking of something related to the shower thing. Rain showers.
Geoff 27:02
Oh, rain showers are the best. Oh, god.
Georgie 27:06
Yeah?
Geoff 27:06
I love them. I don’t understand how showers were invented to be tiny little circles when you look at you know, humans from Sky View. We’re basically rectangles. So no, fucking clue why someone—
Georgie 27:24
So the, the way the rain shower comes out—like, sorry, the way the water comes out of the rain shower.
Geoff 27:30
Haha the way the rain shower comes out.
Georgie 27:33
I beg your pardon. The way the water comes out of rain shower is like rain, right?
Geoff 27:38
Yeah, rain.
Georgie 27:38
Feels nice, etc. And all like it doesn’t hit your body. Really... roughly?
Geoff 27:47
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 27:48
You know, I actually I actually don’t like that. I actually want I actually want the spray, stupid spray head that—
Geoff 27:55
What?!
Georgie 27:56
Blasts water on my skin at massive velocity. I don’t know why.
Geoff 28:01
You, maso? You a fucking maso? Well, actually, I—
Georgie 28:08
I don’t know. I don’t know. I think it’s probably because like, I did grow up with like, just a regular spray showerhead. You know, just like, not a rain shower.
Geoff 28:20
Yeah.
Georgie 28:20
And I got used to that. And I don’t know, I just when I got to try I think it was at Nick’s parents’ place like a rain shower. I was like, what is, what is so good about this, just the water just trickles off me like a pussy. (laughs)
Geoff 28:40
The, the interesting thing about that actually, is I can’t remember where it was. But I was watching this video. And they were describing about how the water pressure has to actually be, it’s actually, they actually regulate the pressure, water pressure that should come out of it, of a shower, and the water pressure is supposed to aim to do light exfoliation. It’s actually more clean to have higher pressure water. Because—
Georgie 29:14
For real?
Geoff 29:15
Yeah, it’s about getting rid of the skin cells at an at a reasonable like acceptable rate.
Georgie 29:25
(laughs) I can’t believe this. I can’t believe this.
Geoff 29:25
So yeah, it’s like if you got sold a shower that you know was like one PSI, when it should be 12, you know, that kind of thing. So people can’t cheat you out of you know, like a shower that doesn’t actually clean you, for instance, so.
Georgie 29:41
Is this like a global thing like do they do do this...?
Geoff 29:43
I wonder, hey,
Georgie 29:45
Because...
Geoff 29:46
Global shower pressure, what do you call it, standard?
Georgie 29:51
Yeah, something like that. I feel like it must be different in other places because I’ve definitely on my travels been like, “oh, the water doesn’t come out of this with very much pressure”. And I just yeah, like to what you were saying. I feel like it’s not enough for me to properly clean myself if that makes sense.
Geoff 30:09
Yeah.
Georgie 30:10
Yeah.
Geoff 30:12
“How do local governments regulate showerheads to conserve resources? Save money state mandate, even lower GPM flow rate”... that GPM is gallons per minute.
Georgie 30:23
Okay. Yeah.
Geoff 30:25
New York City is max of two, one, nah. But yeah, I don’t know where this is. Maybe it’s all bullshit. Shower pressure standard...
Georgie 30:35
Maybe it is in some countries but I don’t know about yeah, I don’t know about global.
Geoff 30:41
Is your shower p—water pressure too low, here’s how to... Oh, great, hosting server to read timeout.
Georgie 30:49
Website’s not working, peeps.
Geoff 30:50
Good job. But yeah, I don’t know if it’s bullshit or not, but it kind of makes sense. The water pressure actually, you know, has its cleaning effect other than just washing.
Georgie 31:00
Yeah, to be fair, this doesn’t change, like, this doesn’t make me feel even better necessarily about liking—
Geoff 31:09
Well, the rain showerhead should have a higher pressure so that I mean, not enough to like completely flatten you to the floor of the shower or something.
Georgie 31:20
I don’t know. I just really liked the, yeah, I like the water spray that’s not rain. I just feel like a rain shower’s too delicate for my liking.
Geoff 31:29
What if, what if you had a rectangular shower at an angle on the back wall? That sprayed, that sprayed you? As if it were like a water, like a waterfall? Not a rainfall? You know, waterfall, not rainfall?
Georgie 31:49
Well, maybe I’d like that even more. I don’t know.
Geoff 31:51
Yeah. Actually, most rainfall showers have a second handheld showerhead.
Georgie 31:57
Yeah, you can change it. Yeah. So when we were on our travels, I just fucking switched it to that handheld one, because I was like, “yes this is what I want”.
Geoff 32:09
I think this is actually the apartment we went to see. Um, so this is it renovated. Looks, looks pretty, pretty schmick. Next are the photos before renovations.
Georgie 32:24
You know, I never understand why they do that. I’m just like, yeah. It makese sense. So you can see what it was like, that it’s—
Geoff 32:31
Yeah, that we did something good?
Georgie 32:32
Yeah, work’s been done on it kind of thing, I guess. But otherwise—
Geoff 32:35
Oh, holy shit. In March 2018 this apartment had blue staircase, a blue staircase.
Georgie 32:45
That’s a character... (laughs)
Geoff 32:49
That’s a character?
Georgie 32:49
It’s got character.
Geoff 32:51
It’s got a yellow kitchen bench. Like seriously? Did they just let their five year old like point at things and then state a color? Because the red countertop and the yellow cabinetry.
Georgie 33:05
Like I don’t even know what this is. Is this like seventies or something? Or 80s style? It’s very, yeah, it’s very interesting. Not my style. That’s for sure.
Geoff 33:15
Yeah, actually having a scroll up, scroll up. Interesting thing part, part about this actually, we went in and we realised that this is a TV on this wall. And that’s where the staircase is supposed to be. So they had walled off the stair, staircase and put, put space there. I like that.
Georgie 33:34
Do you ever though, do you ever hate the, what do you call it? The design? The designed pictures, the what do you call it, apartment settings?
Geoff 33:46
Apartment settings?
Georgie 33:47
What I mean is the way they set it up and stage it for like—
Geoff 33:50
Oh.
Georgie 33:50
For the property listing?
Geoff 33:53
Yeah, I mean, that’s I think, actually, there’s a there’s a YouTube video where about how this lady as a real estate agent, like, reduces her costs to like dollars like to to basically run her, her business.
Georgie 34:14
Yeah.
Geoff 34:15
And, and part of that cost is actually staging. Yeah, apartments and houses and stuff.
Georgie 34:22
It’s quite expensive, right?
Geoff 34:23
Exactly. So what she’s done is basically you know, gone the ultra second hand, like people throwing out their furniture route, and she like takes that stuff and like, stages her houses with it. And, it’s sometimes it works and sometimes it’s not great. She takes her own furniture from her own house as well to come in, to move it, stage, stage people’s houses.
Georgie 34:50
That’s interesting. I mean, I don’t know if you’d find really good stuff, secondhand necessarily, but like you could just use your own or borrow like—
Geoff 34:58
Yeah if you have good taste.
Georgie 35:00
Yeah, but I find that all the ways they do it, like the way they style it. I’m like, I don’t think someone’s gonna really live like this. Do you ever get theat vibe?
Geoff 35:12
Yeah, sometimes it’s a bit, over over the top.
Georgie 35:16
Yeah.
Geoff 35:17
This apartment that we went to see, to see, had, like a Google, Google Home Hub. Like it’s it’s the one with the screen on it that shows you what’s playing in the cot and stuff like that. I’ve got one here. They had one in like, on the bottom floor and—shut up Google!
Georgie 35:36
(laughs)
Geoff 35:36
Shhh. Quiet, quiet, quiet. They had, they had one on the, on the TV, TV console. And then they had one in the, one of the bedrooms. And I was like, I was like, is this? Like, they must have brought this in. But because I don’t know if anyone really like has has these, has this many Google Home hubs. That’s like playing music. Yeah, it got, it can be a bit much, though. Were, were you here when I built my computer? I did talk about that, didn’t I?
Georgie 36:11
Yeah, your current one, the Windows one.
Geoff 36:13
Yeah, yeah, that’s right. I remember. Oh, what happened? I reinstalled Instagram app.
Georgie 36:22
Yes. You said like they changed it back. But then now—
Geoff 36:26
Yeah, they changed it back.
Georgie 36:27
To the shit you hate? I don’t know. They changed a couple of things recently. Like they they got rid of the reels. And then they brought it back. Which is, which annoyed me because I was like, “Yes! they got rid of it”. Now the main action or whatever, is to post a picture. And then Nick was like—
Geoff 36:44
Really?
Georgie 36:44
“Where are the reels gone?” Because Nick uses it and like, he goes through reels like like anybody goes through Tik Tok or whatever. And then I was like, “Haha, suck shit”. And then they brought it back. And he’s like, “Look, it’s back!” I’m like, “Ugh”.
Geoff 36:57
Oh, God. So, so yeah, they they changed the layout back. So downloaded it again. And one of my friends just noted, just just found out that they’re being AB tested to remove the labels off the stories at the top. So you— can see the name. Name of the person whose story it is.
Georgie 37:21
Yeah, they’re just gonna remove it?
Geoff 37:23
And they’re just going to remove the names, they’re just removing the names off the, off them.
Georgie 37:27
So you just see the pictures?
Geoff 37:29
Just see the pictures.
Georgie 37:30
Of the person?
Geoff 37:31
Of the person. Yeah.
Georgie 37:32
But then you’re following those people anyway, right. So you should—
Geoff 37:35
True. Maybe you’ll know the names but I think that’s like negative accessibility.
Georgie 37:42
Yeah, cuz some people have, like, not their faces there.
Geoff 37:47
Yeah. What if they change their photo? Like every so often?
Georgie 37:51
What if I just changed mine to be like the Instagram icon?
Geoff 37:55
Yeah.
Georgie 37:56
Yeah.
Geoff 37:58
Should change the logo to your logo, your your profile picture to just the, the Instagram—
Georgie 38:05
Instagram logo.
Geoff 38:05
Icon.
Georgie 38:07
But then when you open the story, is it gonna show you the name?
Geoff 38:12
Oh, does it show the name when you open the story? Dunno, dunno. Either way—
Georgie 38:16
Because I’d be like, if you remove it from there, and you just like, what is the point?
Geoff 38:21
Yeah, I don’t know what they’re trying to do. Are they saving space? Are they—
Georgie 38:25
Oh my god, don’t get me started on this saving space. This fucking screen real estate BS. I feel like I deal with that. At work. I don’t too much these days. But that used to be a big problem at work.
Geoff 38:37
Yeah.
Georgie 38:38
Like customers will be furious when we like, added a, added like whitespace to the tables, they’d be like, “No, I want it like 12 pixels, like it was before”.
Geoff 38:49
Thirteen. Point five.
Georgie 38:51
No, like we could like, I, actually no, it’s probably more like, I think the font size is 14 now. But because our product was like so dated for such a long time customers got used to the very, very small text, and thin rows on the tables. And because a lot of our application is like, like customers want to see data. So it’s important to be able to scan, right, the moment we added like more whitespace, it was just like, they were furious. They’re like, “I could only see three campaigns on my laptop, like three rows” when whereas before I could see like ten.
Geoff 39:29
Yeah, four?
Georgie 39:29
Yeah, and like I think it was a big lesson for us in learning that like design like in general, we love like space, you know, like visual like, but our product is like fucking SaaS product. It—and the reality is that customers want to look at data, they’re not looking at pretty nice things, you know?
Geoff 39:50
Yeah. The, that was also something. When I was working in banking, we were working on it in like a tour which directly affected productivity of banker of like mortgage lenders. So it was like you had to be very utilitarian about everything, you couldn’t, you couldn’t like finesse things, giving things with your eyes to breathe, because they actually don’t want that. They don’t want their eyes to breathe.
Georgie 40:16
They don’t give a shit.
Geoff 40:16
They need to they need to see everything.
Georgie 40:18
Yeah, exactly. It’s funny, isn’t it.
Geoff 40:20
Speaking of seeing everything. Let’s see the end of this podcast. Yeah, so the episodes every Monday, you can follow us on toastroast—@toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter.
Georgie 40:37
And you can listen to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the big, bath shower? Shower bath? Showertub?
Geoff 40:46
Oh, what is it...
Georgie 40:47
Or the rain shower, whichever one you prefer.
Geoff 40:51
Ooh, I love the rain shower. Yeah, so see you next week.
Georgie 40:56
See you next week. Bye.