Get out your second monitor cause the list of references is numerous in this episode! Everything from an impossible music festival, to a theme-park-island based on crypto currencies that may not exist, all the way to the quiet lives of retired famous musicians and watching cheese age. Certainly a variety episode with many twists and turns!
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Get out your second monitor cause the list of references is numerous in this episode! Everything from an impossible music festival, to a theme-park-island based on crypto currencies that may not exist, all the way to the quiet lives of retired famous musicians and watching cheese age. Certainly a variety episode with many twists and turns!
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Geoff 0:07
And welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. Today I am joined with of course my co host Georgie and I’m your co host, Geoff. Gotta switch it up sometimes.
Georgie 0:22
Woohoo.
Geoff 0:22
No one is forgetting the script here.
Georgie 0:25
What script?
Geoff 0:27
How’s it going Georgie?
Georgie 0:28
It’s just going. It’s going alright. I was actually thinking about — was it you who mentioned on Twitter — the Fyre festival? And I responded to—
Geoff 0:39
Oh yeah, Fyre festival.
Georgie 0:40
Yes. So I—there’s a documentary about it on Netflix, which I think is the first I ever heard of that festival. And—
Geoff 0:50
Yeah, actually.
Georgie 0:51
I haven’t watched it.
Geoff 0:51
Before we dive into it I guess we should talk a little bit about what exactly it is..
Georgie 0:55
A scam.
Geoff 0:57
Huge scam. Somehow somebody decided to create this festival for influencers, it was going to be the next biggest, like, I don’t know, Coachella or whatever. And they convinced a bunch of really well known Instagram influencers to you know, push this luxury Island festival and, I don’t know, the, the huts or exclusive lodgings were all like in the 10s or 1000s or whatever. And it’s like everyone flies over. They got someone prominent—I think it was, it was it Kendall Jenner, or one of the one of the mainstream stars essentially, to push this stuff and so many people bought in. And these are all just influencers. I don’t think anyone any normie actually went. But they arrived. And there was basically no facilities set up. Lodgings, none. Food, none. The most they had I think were like toilet cubicles, which was like hilarious.
Georgie 2:10
Portaloos.
Geoff 2:11
And people’s—portaloos. Yeah. And they couldn’t get off the island. They were all trapped on the island. It was just a horror fuck show, to be honest. And so they released the documentary on this. And yeah, to be honest, I didn’t hear anything about it. Maybe because I don’t run in those circles. And we don’t generally run in those circles. Until I watched this, this horror doco, really.
Georgie 2:38
So you watched this one.
Geoff 2:39
So, that’s basically—
Georgie 2:41
You, you watched the Fyre documentary on Netflix.
Geoff 2:44
Yeah, yeah, I watched the Fyre documentary.
Georgie 2:46
I haven’t watched it yet. But that was what brought my attention to it. And I put it on my Netflix list, like three years ago. And I just haven’t watched it yet. But I can’t remember, why did why didn’t you bring it up? On Twitter?
Geoff 3:02
Oh, um, I brought it up because there was a second thing about a huge scam. Let me bring up my Twitter. I actually can’t remember myself.
Georgie 3:17
Cuz...
Geoff 3:18
Yeah, that was a huge scam about going about where people were buying into stuff and they found—
Georgie 3:24
That’s not your username.
Geoff 3:25
Ooh, I left out a letter and it said I was suspended. Holy shit. So I mean, I wasn’t... I did recently tweet about scam emails. But oh, right here go... Theranos and Fyre.
Georgie 3:42
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 3:44
Crypto land, Crypto land. That’s the thing.
Georgie 3:47
What is it? What is it? Some event about crypto?
Geoff 3:52
So it’s not an event. It’s actually an island where people can use cryptocurrency to purchase the blocks of houses so you can live there. And it’s basically like Disneyland only for crypto nerds.
Georgie 4:08
So is it like those timeshare things with...
Geoff 4:13
Ah, I, I don’t know, to be honest. They don’t have very much detail about it other than there’s, you know, crazy cool locations to hang out with your crypto buddies and lots of memes. They have lots of meme rides. Like here’s the statue that, that celebrated the biggest crypto coin scam of all time. And I’m like, why are you celebrating this crypto scam? And it was just such... it’s a shit show because a lot of money like hundreds, hundreds of thousands of dollars has been poured into this and it’s being promoted by well, apparently well-known crypto investors as the next big thing, you know, go to this island and have lots of fun with your crypto buddies. I think they quote like, it’s a place for crypto creators and a safe space for all all the people who are into crypto.
Georgie 5:13
Basically, it’s a cult, and it might not even be real.
Geoff 5:18
Yes. It’s essentially a cult island for crypto people.
Georgie 5:22
So going back to this Fyre thing, I think the guy behind it... wasn’t he like a rather wealthy person himself? And that’s—
Geoff 5:32
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 5:33
That’s sort of why it got a lot of interest. And he sort of had the trust of people already, because I think he was well known. And some, somehow, like you said, we’re not in the circles. But people knew of this guy. And so he already had the trust of people. And he was like, I’m going to do this massive thing that’s awesome.
Geoff 5:54
He had Ja Rule, the rapper, promote this. And it was founded by them too.
Georgie 6:02
Oh.
Geoff 6:03
So yeah, that was their claim to fame. How much did a Fyre festival ticket cost? 1200?
Georgie 6:14
Yeah alright. That’s, that’s a decent amount.
Geoff 6:17
8000 tickets.
Georgie 6:20
So you know, what else I was thinking. So you brought this up in context of this crypto land thing. But I also around the same time this week, heard of another festival, and then people started referring to the Fyre festival, because they’re very suspicious of this festival. So I don’t know if this festival is gonna pertain to your interest. But my friend brought it to my attention. Because there were a lot of bands that we used to, like at this festival, which is going to be in October, later this year in Las Vegas, it’s called When We Were Young. And so apparently, this festival has like run before, but a lot of the bands there were—are—going to be like emo punk rock bands that my friend and I listened to back in the like the early 2000s. And people started becoming really skeptical about it, because there are so many bands on the poster. And they started to calculate—
Geoff 7:21
Woah.
Georgie 7:21
They started to calculate how much, what do you call it, stage time, they would have and they’re like, well, if you had three stages, then, you know, this would only work out to be about, like every band’s set would be 10 minutes. And then people said no, there’s more stages. And then people pointed out that the company behind this had done this before, so maybe not to this extent but they’d done something similar. So the tickets are like yeah, 200 to 500 I think it’s US dollars.
Geoff 7:51
US dollars.
Georgie 7:52
Which some people are saying yeah, that’s alright. But it’s also expensive and you might not be guaranteed to see everybody that you’re into.
Geoff 8:00
Yeah. So so I’ve got the got the website up here. Let’s name some things that I, at least I recognise. Maybe other people... My Chemical Romance, Paramore, AFI—
Georgie 8:16
Armor For Sleep are on there.
Geoff 8:17
A Day to Remember, Avril Lavigne.
Georgie 8:22
Jimmy Eat World.
Geoff 8:23
All, The All-American Rejects.
Georgie 8:29
Mayday Parade. So basically all like your punk rock emo bands, which is like, for me, at 16, is like I’d be creaming my pants. But yeah, so the company behind this is called Live Nation. And I’ve actually been to some events that were like—
Geoff 8:51
I know them.
Georgie 8:52
Yeah, they’re, they are reputable. In my opinion. Like I’ve been to some of their events.
Geoff 8:58
Wait, weren’t they the ones who did the Travis Scott?
Georgie 9:02
[gasp] Were they? Although I actually don’t know much about—
Geoff 9:07
“Travis Scott Live Nation deny allegations at AstroWorld”. Oh shit.
Georgie 9:15
Fuuuck.
Geoff 9:15
They’re behind the Travis Scott deaths, killed 10 people last like last month, which was written on November 2021. So yeah.
Georgie 9:27
That just got, that just escalated. Because I didn’t, because I know vaguely about the Travis Scott thing I didn’t know about—what, so what, what did Live Nation do that was—
Geoff 9:39
Apparently the problem is they probably did nothing.
Georgie 9:43
And that’s what’s bad for a promoter or like organiser of a...
Geoff 9:48
Yeah, so “prominent attorneys like Ben Crump, who is representing several concert goers, including the family of a nine year old boy”. Why is a nine year old boy at a concert with Travis Scott? “...have particularly scrutinised Live Nation because of their pool in the space as the largest show promoter in the world”. So I think it’s just a really bad PR thing.
Georgie 10:13
Because I thought they had a good rep, but I guess not after this.
Geoff 10:20
Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe, maybe it’s because they sold too many tickets. Like “Live Nation, Ticketmaster is sued again for predatory and exclusionary conduct”.
Georgie 10:29
Basically, they fucked up.
Geoff 10:31
Yeah, yeah, they maybe oversold the event, they knew that was going to be dangerous, but they did it anyways. Travis Scott, of course, inciting violence from the crowd apparently is a pattern at lots of his events.
Georgie 10:48
That is a contributing factor. Like, okay, as someone who used to, like not mind going in mosh pits for like metal concerts and things like that, it really depends on the crowd and the audience and the people who listen to music as to how violent it could possibly get.
Geoff 11:09
But the—in this case, a lot of people were asking Travis Scott to stop the show, because there was someone being trampled. And Travis Scott did not stop the show.
Georgie 11:20
That’s a bad look.
Geoff 11:22
Yeah, yeah. There are videos of the crowds chanting, stop the show. And he did nothing. He didn’t. He just kept going. So I’m guessing Live Nation here is somewhat a little bit responsible for maybe over over promoting the show, and stuff like that. Anyways, they do their job, I guess. You, you want a million people packed into a 500,000 person space, they can do that. And it was the AstroWorld festival. Anyways, back to the When We Were Young.
Georgie 12:03
Yeah. I mean, I was talking to my friend about how I mean, at this stage, like I have bought a couple of tickets to some comedy shows this year. With that they’re seated. Right. So you’re limited to how many people can sit in the seats at the theater. And I did buy one ticket for a concert. But I just at this stage stood up I feel comfortable garden like a really heavily populated area of people—yet, anyway. Plus, that the When We Were Young festival’s over in the US and internat—
Geoff 12:42
Would you have gone?
Georgie 12:46
Pre pandemic, I probably would have just like, yeah, shut up and take my money. But, but I am a bit skeptical of like how well it’ll go. I’m not a big festival person. Like sure I like ton of the bands there. But festivals are exhausting. I’ve been to a couple—not a lot. I know there are many people who would be who would have gotten to more than I’ve been to in my life. But I have also photographed some, and they are so exhausting. Like especially to photograph. Actually, I’ll tell you a funny story. So have you heard of Bastille, the band?
Geoff 13:26
Yeah.
Georgie 13:26
So they sang Pompeii. And I think it was it was, uh, Bad Blood was the name of the album or something, or another song. So it’s quite funny. I was at a festival where they were playing. And I didn’t really care about seeing them play any other song, which is why I wanted to see them. I wanted to see them sing Pompeii live. At this festival I had to photograph because I was photographing for a music publication at the time. And the thing is, with any band, they will most likely leave the biggest hits towards the end of their set. Possibly even an encore. I think—
Geoff 14:08
Oh yeah.
Georgie 14:09
Encores are rarer at festivals because like you have one headliner and just got all these other bands. But in—generally, when when you’re a music photographer, or concert photographer, you in larger venues and stadiums, you only get 15 minutes at the beginning of each band’s set to take all your pictures and then you have to leave. You’re not there the whole time. Because then you’re actually interrupting.
Geoff 14:34
Ohhh, that sucks.
Georgie 14:36
I think it’s just a little bit different at, at a festival actually. Yeah, it depends. Usually the security guards like kind of assess, if it’s like, not really busy in the crowd, like they might just let you like go in front and take some pictures towards the end of the set. But anyway, I was trying to photograph as much as possible and... So I did the first 15 minutes of Bastille. And then myself and the other photographers went to the back, because we had to move from the front area. And I was like, I have to go and photograph this other artist over there. Like, I mean, I wanted to, because I wanted to try and capture as much as I could. And I’m like, but they haven’t fucking played Pompeii yet. And it’s like, what should I do? I’m just sitting there just enjoying the rest of the music that they were playing. But I was like, oh, fuck it, I’ll go to the other stage. And I’ll take the, some rando pictures just to get a few shots. And then I’ll come back, and I’ll probably catch it. Well, I went to the other stage and took a few pictures. And then I came back to Bastille and they were fucking done. And I missed them playing fucking Pompeii. And I just—
Geoff 15:47
Shit.
Georgie 15:48
I just felt like a fucken loser. Also no shade on DJs. But the artist I went to photograph the other stage was just a DJ.
Geoff 15:58
Oh no.
Georgie 15:58
So just someone with their disc stuff. And on the—there was nothing exciting. And so I partially regret that decision. But there you go.
Geoff 16:09
Yeah, I think DJs, in general, I find these days are, are kind of just playing, you know, songs off a pre recorded set or something like that. But like my original impression of a DJ is live mixing. And apparently that’s not what a lot of DJs do. So I feel like I would only appreciate going to a DJ where they’re, where they’re live mixing. And hopefully they live mix well. So but yeah, that’s that, to me is the performance of a DJ, if I’m going to watch a set uh, from a DJ and all they’re doing is playing some pre recorded stuff then. Yeah. Not entirely impressed. Yeah. Do you know Paris Hilton’s a DJ?
Georgie 17:05
I didn’t know that. But I’m not surprised and I also don’t really care.
Geoff 17:12
I think it’s like an interesting... Like, well, she’s like, she went from a socialite to a DJ. Which is, it’s an interesting career path.
Georgie 17:24
I guess so. I used to work with a product manager who used to be a DJ. I was like, that’s cool, I guess.
Geoff 17:31
Yeah. The... But she also has a cooking show now.
Georgie 17:37
Okay, so she’s doing a lot of different things. Good for her!
Geoff 17:40
Yeah, I don’t know how, I don’t know how well the cooking show is going. But I remember going on YouTube one day, and I don’t know if someone linked it to me or anything. But it was Paris Hilton, like cooking. And I was like, is this going to be any good? She is doing some, I can’t remember what, what was it, mac and cheese? Anyways, lasagna. She’s doing lasagna. And if you go to the video and you just watch her make this lasagna. Yeah, it’s it’s really horrifying. A she’s got really long hair, but she doesn’t tie it up. See she like breaks like a hundred, a hundred codes, or like, violations of the kitchen code, as possible. Um, but she has is is really random. It’s all really like kind of like she’s a bit spaced out, she doesn’t really know what she’s doing. And she’s just apparently uh, the famous recipe, her famous recipe, but it’s funny to watch. Because she’s doing she’s making a ridiculous lasagna that tastes probably terrible. So yeah, and then. And for some reason someone gave her cooking show. I don’t know if it’s on Netflix or something. But yeah, that was a...
Georgie 18:55
She has a lot of money and she can do whatever she wants. Right?
Geoff 19:00
Yeah, actually, she got cut off. Did you know that?
Georgie 19:03
Wait, what happened?
Geoff 19:05
Like back when she was a actually a heavy socialite, and she had the whole sex tape scandal and stuff like that. During that period of time. She got cut off from the family of fortune.
Georgie 19:15
Oh... I...
Geoff 19:17
Don’t ask me why I know so much Paris Hilton trivia. But I just found it interesting that she got cut off and like Okay, so what does she do after she got cut off? And then she does all this other stuff like the perfume—
Georgie 19:31
I mean—
Geoff 19:32
The DJing and the cooking—
Georgie 19:33
If that’s working out for her and she enjoys it, well, good for her. Right? Like, she’s—
Geoff 19:37
Yeah.
Georgie 19:38
She’s still in the public eye somehow, whether or not she has a lot of money. And I guess I mean, I assume what you’re saying is correct, not like you just pulled it out of nowhere, but if she doesn’t have money, she probably still does have quite a bit but she’s doing stuff. I think like that’s more than you could say for... some celebrities who would just literally born into fame and, yeah.
Geoff 20:07
Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I think there was a doco or something. And it seemed like she had basically matured beyond the, like, be—needing to be a celebrity.
Georgie 20:19
Yeah.
Geoff 20:21
So, yeah, you’re right.
Georgie 20:23
Yeah.
Geoff 20:23
These are all very normal things. She’s just getting a little bit of attention because she’s maybe making fun of it or maybe doing a bit of a silly.
Georgie 20:30
Yeah.
Geoff 20:31
But it’s not harming anybody, which is good.
Georgie 20:34
Yeah, it’s, it’s funny. When he when he said she had a cooking show, I was like, Oh, it’s you know, as you said, it’s slightly unexpected and strange, but um, you know, the band The British band Blur.
Geoff 20:47
Ooh, how do you spell—
Georgie 20:48
B, L, U, R.
Geoff 20:50
Oh no, I’ve never heard of them.
Georgie 20:51
What.
Geoff 20:54
If my keyboard would work, Blur, Blur the band.
Georgie 20:59
You know the song, you know the song “Song 2”? You would know the song “Song 2”. If you listen to the first five seconds, I promise.
Geoff 21:07
How many times have we done this—
Georgie 21:08
We’ve done this so many times.
Geoff 21:10
...stream on podcast?
Georgie 21:11
Yeah, so many times Geoff.
Geoff 21:16
Okay, beat sounds familiar. Oh, I do know this song!
Georgie 21:24
Pause. You don’t have to listen to the rest of it, you know it. It’s funny because I, my friend Chris told me about this TV show on Netflix called This is Pop and it goes into different genres of music, and explores how they came to be or like something that was iconic about them.
Geoff 21:42
I think I watched something similar with the hip hop where they were like, how Eminem and Jay Z and all of them came up.
Georgie 21:49
I think they had a hip hop episode, but I watched the Britpop one which had which had Blur in it because they’re British. And the guy in it said that that song was used in basically like every car ad. I was like, that’s true, it’s used everywhere.
Geoff 22:09
Hopefully they’re getting royalties for it.
Georgie 22:11
I think so. Fun random fact, I actually did photograph them once and I was, that was probably one of the most exciting moments of my photographic, quote unquote, career because I was so excited—I didn’t think, because I was shooting for a pretty small publication, I didn’t think that I would be like be approved to photograph them. It was awesome. Anyway, my point, going back to the Paris Hilton thing, is that the guy who’s... I think he was the was the bassist. One of the guitarist in the band. His name is I remember his name Alex James, but I forgot what his actual instrument was in the band. He is now a cheese farmer.
Geoff 22:51
Woah. That’s mad.
Georgie 22:53
He’s a bouje cheese farmer. He makes fancy fucking cheese. And if you look at his Wikipedia for his name... Alex James, his Wikipedia has a whole section about his cheesemaking. I just thought it was so funny because like you said, this is this is kind of normal, like it’s normal to us normies. But I also find it slightly endearing. And I do find it slightly endearing when people who are in the public eye or like celebrities do something that’s just completely, quote unquote, normal.
Geoff 23:31
Yeah, I think it’s sort of like, we all, I guess we’re used to seeing celebrities really try and hold on to their celebrity status with by any means possible. But then you get these celebrities. They’re just like, yeah, I’m just gonna go become a cheesemaker. You, you kind of hear it sometimes where people are like, man, I could just run away and live on a farm.
Georgie 23:57
Yeah
Geoff 23:57
That’s the, that’s the default for some reason everyone’s I just really wish I could just run away and live on a farm and like, really? Just like, why a farm? Just like live off the land. You know, man, like okay, you do you. You do you. I’ll go live on top of a Coles or Woolies. Just the... But speaking about cheese. There used to be a website that streamed... they live streamed the aging of cheese. It was... was it the cheese livestream? Anyways, it was way back in the day it was talking. We’re talking err... slice of cheese... I’ll look it up later. But basically, when I was in high school, which we don’t have to really talk about the year, but a while ago, circa more than ten, fifteen years ago. They had a website and my friend and I would load this website up during IT class and just watch the live stream of a wheel of cheese aging. They... And they put how many days this this cheese have been aging for. And we thought it was hilarious, just sat there, watched cheese age, they ended up selling it. And everyone was really sad. Because I’d been growing up with this, they’d been growing up with the cheese.
Georgie 25:28
Wait. So it was like properly live streamed for like 24 hours just hanging out.
Geoff 25:32
Like someone set up a webcam in front of a wheel of cheese. And, and then streamed it.
Georgie 25:39
You know what’s funny. It’s like that is well, first thing I was gonna say. So that’s like the web equivalent kind of watching paint dry. But also—
Geoff 25:48
Yeah, that’s it.
Georgie 25:49
Like, things like this, no one really does these days. Because how many people would look at that and go, “What a waste of my time”. But if you think about it, it’s like, it’s so novel. It’s like, why doesn’t anyone do this in the age of the internet anymore? It’s like, it makes makes it feel bittersweet. You know? All people want to do is make these fucking 15 second videos to make you laugh and you go to the next one. If you don’t like it, you go to the next one. And you’re scrolling for fucking two hours when it would be so much more meditative if you watched a webcam of cheese aging.
Geoff 26:26
This is it, someone did a time lapse of this cheese actually aging.
Georgie 26:31
Wow.
Geoff 26:32
A one minute time lapse.
Georgie 26:33
See, I appreciate this.
Geoff 26:34
All you watch.
Georgie 26:35
I appreciate this more than every fucking reel or TikTok meme that ever existed.
Geoff 26:42
Yeah, yeah. It’s It’s crazy, because I think everyone is way too focused on creating these sticky like, video social platforms, just trying to suck time away from people. With nonsense, really. The lip synching thing was cool, was fun, maybe. But but then you you get into the other TikToks, where people are trying to give other people financial advice in a TikTok format and in the TikTok length of time. So I watch this YouTuber, Graham Stephan, and he goes through some of the financial advice TikToks. And he’s basically like, watching these things. And they’re literally saying, step one, start a business. Step two, like, scale it. Step three, profit, and you’re just, and you’re just like, Hold up a sec, you just give like, a lot of detail, but they can’t do the detail. And they’re like, follow me on TikTok to find out how to make a profit.
Georgie 27:59
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 28:02
But literally every other week, it’s the same video over and over and over again, because people probably forgot the last video. And people just keep scrolling and you have to make new ones so that other people will see them. And it’s just, nothing, is literally no value.
Georgie 28:21
I would like to do that. If I gave a shit, if I gave enough of a shift. I would like to take that and make a meme out of it. And just go here’s how, what did you say, it’s how to make money, right?
Geoff 28:33
How to, how to make passive income.
Georgie 28:36
Yeah, here’s how you make passive income. Just pop a clip of one of these people or whatever, trying to get financial advice. And at the end, just go, fuck bitches get money.
Geoff 28:49
Yeah, fin fin tik, fin tok. How TikTok is helping young people use cash wisely. That just... it’s not jokes. It’s not just jokes and emojis. The video sharing platform can help users learn how to manage money. You got to be kidding me. TikTok’s probably the place—look here, “interest in Dogecoin and Gamestop has been fuelled by the platform”. Yeah, two things, highly speculative, and two things that people lost millions doing. And you’re like, that’s wise use of cash.
Georgie 29:22
A part of me just like died inside because I’d rather watch cheese age.
Geoff 29:28
Yeah. Rather watch cheese age. Yeah. Also kind of fuelled another tweet I wrote where I was just like, what people getting really like scammed via email, I think I saw on YouTube. A solicitor emailed their clients, asking them to submit their deposit, like a million dollars deposit on the next house. And it was a fake email. But the email had all the attachments of their contract, it look really legit. So they just wired all the money. And then poof, all of it went away.
Georgie 30:09
Oh, what a shame.
Geoff 30:11
Which, crazy right. And like, people are getting scammed via email and a lot of other ways like the, the other scam where...
Georgie 30:22
I thought of a WhatsApp one that I came across this morning.
Geoff 30:25
Yeah.
Georgie 30:25
It’s like a social engineering one where someone messages you [cough] excuse me. Actually they message someone, who they assume to be a mum. And they go, “Hey, Mum, I’ve lost my phone” and say, “this is my new number”.
Geoff 30:39
Oh no.
Georgie 30:40
And they get this poor woman to believe that it’s their child and fool them into thinking that it’s them. And then they go, “Oh, can you send me a photo of myself? I’ve lost everything”. And then of course, they can use that photo for other things. But then they go, “Hey, Mum, I need your help. Can you send me some money to pay my bills?” And then of course, you know, poor woman falls for it. And yeah, it sucks.
Geoff 31:05
So um, yeah, there’s also the scams where the people on you get a phone call telling you that you got... someone’s trying to buy something using your Amazon account. And then basically long story short, they, they try to get you to install screenshare.
Georgie 31:29
Someone—
Geoff 31:30
It’s crazy.
Georgie 31:31
Someone on YouTube, it’s the person who does a lot of the getting back at scammers thing.
Geoff 31:36
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 31:37
Like, fooling the scammer, and then he somehow managed to, like get a video of the scammer.
Geoff 31:44
Yeah, some of them have been like glitter bombs. And some of them like reverse hack them. But it’s pretty tragic, like—
Georgie 31:54
That people fall for it as well.
Geoff 31:56
That, it’s like older people who don’t really know that you can just edit some HTML on a page and show that you’ve you’ve got more money than you do have and, and then tricking them into sending the money back. So yeah, I think I was like, well, we, we’re busy making all these stupid TikTok stuff with our tech, rather than solving real world problems. Where we could possibly come up with a better system than emails. Blockchain would be really cool for verifying emails. But does anyone want to do that? No, there’s no money in scams doing that. So I think yeah, I thought it was a bit insane. That we have so many other problems to solve and what have we got? Fucking NFT profile pictures from Twitter. And...
Georgie 32:55
Yeah.
Geoff 32:56
Meme crypto and Tik Tok, just so dire. But yeah, cheddar, watching watching cheese age. That was like the the darling time of the internet. So innocent.
Georgie 33:17
Yeah. Somebody brought up this morning. Not necessarily this morning, but I saw it this morning on Twitter. Someone brought up the guestbook. And you had a guestbook on your website.
Geoff 33:30
Oh, yeah, a guestbook on your website. Guest counters were also a thing.
Georgie 33:35
Yeah, I shared the tweet, because the way that the person phrased it was like, fuck, like, “fuck web 2.0 3.0, sign my guestbook”.
Geoff 33:46
Yeah. Oh my god, web 3.0. I don’t even know where to start.
Georgie 33:52
Don’t start.
Geoff 33:52
I won’t. But yeah, I think you know, the celebrities going into mundane, out of the eye kind of stuff is better than kind of, pushing, pushing random cryptocurrencies and, and wasting everyone’s time. Oh, yeah, that’s right. So um, back on your festivals thing. I, I always thought like, I thought, you know, whenever if I saw a festival with more than three bands that I knew—
Georgie 34:34
Oh you do the calculation.
Geoff 34:35
I would, I would go. I would go Yeah. Because you know, the stages, the, the songs and you know, travel time between stages. Before I even knew that, you know, the how these festivals ran. I just said, well, if there’s not even two or three—if there’s no more than three bands, I know then it’s going to be a waste of time anyways, but then I found out about this whole like, stage thing. And yeah, I probably, if I was in America, I’d probably go to this just just because I have such a high chance of listening to some.
Georgie 35:11
Woohoo!
Geoff 35:12
Some live performances, yeah, of people I know. It’s not that bad, actually, you know, 250, 244.99.
Georgie 35:20
Yeah, like, if you go to like, a single concert for one band, it can cost up to, like, close to 100 bucks, in Australia anyway. So if you happen, if you are able—
Geoff 35:32
80 US dollars.
Georgie 35:33
Yeah, if you’re able to see, let’s say, four bands on this day. Like, that’s pretty, pretty alright. You could probably even see more, because you’d be there for the whole day. I assume this runs from the morning. Alright. So—
Geoff 35:49
I assume this runs for 48 hours straight. Because there is no way you could do this in one day.
Georgie 35:56
It does say 20, 22nd of October to 23rd.
Geoff 36:00
2020, October 22, or the 23rd? Are you serious? All these bands have to play their set twice. Holy shit.
Georgie 36:09
Actually, speaking of bands playing this set twice. Like you know how they do a tour, obviously they have to play like roughly the same shit. Oh, yeah. So my favorite band, Hey Geronimo, the ba—the band played at my wedding. They did this cool thing, which I don’t know if you know about or ever talk to you about but they did this thing called the Longest Shortest tour. And in one day, one day, they signed like, they organised with a bunch of like hotels and venues to do a 30 minute set at like, I can’t remember how many there was, maybe ten different places over the course of the day.
Geoff 36:45
What?!
Georgie 36:45
Yeah. And they invited, or they I think they did a ticketing thing. They invited a bunch of like their fans to come along with them on the tour bus and stuff. Because I’m a fucking stupid VIP. I asked them if I could just straight up join and they just they let me and Nick join them. But it was really fun like so we met at like Central—
Geoff 37:05
So you turned into a groupie.
Georgie 37:07
Well, I didn’t turn into one! They already knew me, so I tried to use my special privs. Yeah, you know it is. But it was cool because like they picked us up at the bus at like Central Station and then we go to the first venue, and it’s like in the morning or like, like so like 12 o’clock I think the first one might have been Newtown or something. And like whoever happened to be there just like see this rando band play, alright, let’s go. And then they went around different places in the city and one of them was Red Eye Records and just yeah, but the, the funny—
Geoff 37:37
Red Eye Records, is that still open?
Georgie 37:39
I think so. But yeah, they went we went around the city on this bus. But the thing is for them—like for us, as like the people on the bus, I think they had about 14 people in total, of their fans, joining them like, we just get on the bus and then like see what the fuck was going on, right. They had to like, the, it was like go, go, go for them right? Like to sit and pick up the equipment and pack up set up at each of the venues.
Geoff 38:03
Oh my god.
Georgie 38:04
Obviously they had a team helping them but, and then they had to play the songs. And then they have to play more, and so they we needed we like heard all of their music by the end of the day. And I think the last... we didn’t end up going to the last venue because the bus didn’t go there. It was just, hop on a ferry and go to Manly but it was already pretty late at that time. It was like yeah, I think it was like the even—like it was fucking late. I think it was like night, like 9 or 10 o’clock and but it was a cool thing because they wanted to do this thing that no one had done before which is to play as many gigs as they could in one day. Like I thought—
Geoff 38:42
Yeah, because they’re insane.
Georgie 38:43
I thought it was cool. It was very “them”. Like I don’t think another band has like, done that. I think that might be a record actually, like an official Guinness World Record. But I don’t think they have it because they didn’t try to make it official or anything. But it was cool. It was like, but yeah, it’s it’s fucking tiring for for musicians to play one show, let alone like fuckin ten in a day. Even if they are 30 minutes.
Geoff 39:17
Yeah, that’s crazy. That’s crazy tiring. One of my friends, like one of my ex colleagues, used to collect vinyl records. And that and that’s why I know the store Red Eye Records because they they went and bought specifically from them. They, they lived in Wollongong, so they tried to make it to this store whenever they were in... Actually, they travelled from Wollongong to Sydney CBD for work every day. That’s like—
Georgie 39:45
Oh yeah.
Geoff 39:46
Two hours.
Georgie 39:47
Some people my company live down that way. And when when the office was open, like it was very ordinary for them to travel in the full distance.
Geoff 39:57
Yeah, not my cup of tea. but have, have you ever thought about dabbling in vinyl?
Georgie 40:06
I do have vinyl, dude.
Geoff 40:08
You do? You have a collection?
Georgie 40:09
Yeah, granted, I haven’t used it in a while. But yeah, I do have a bunch of vinyl. I tend to obviously be quite intentional with it, only buy and yeah, buy stuff that I like. Some of it is stuff I just inherited from my dad. I think my dad’s collection is notably bigger. I don’t know, I probably have about maybe 30 to 50. Some of them are—
Geoff 40:38
What makes vinyl interesting, though?
Georgie 40:41
It’s a good question. I don’t know how to answer. It’s just like...
Geoff 40:45
It looks cool?
Georgie 40:48
It’s... okay. I think I think I can equate it to... So you’re not into books, right? And you’ve never been into books. But you ever hear someone who’s like, really into books and libraries. And they go I open the book, and I just love smelling the paper? I think vinyl has a similar feeling. It’s I mean, it does have a smell to like old vinyl. But there’s something about the tactility that’s quite different from just like fucking CDs, just... obviously from streaming, but—
Geoff 41:21
Or even, or even just like, yeah, turning on Spotify.
Georgie 41:24
Yeah.
Geoff 41:25
You go up, you intentionally pick an album. You play that album.
Georgie 41:30
Yeah.
Geoff 41:31
And then and you can’t be fucking bothered switching it. So you just keep playing the same one over and over again.
Georgie 41:38
Yeah, and so the funny thing is... CDs. You put the CD in, and you close the lid and you don’t fucking see it. With vinyl, you see the things? There’s something about it. That’s just like, even if you’re not fucking watching it, like watching cheese age, but it’s—
Geoff 41:54
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 41:54
It’s spinning as it’s playing the music. It’s just like, an experience that’s quite different to putting on a CD for streaming stuff and listening in your headphones.
Geoff 42:09
Yeah, yeah, it’s kind of like this stuff where the table... where you can get like a sand art table and the marble kind of moves around magnetically. This stuff is like, just nice to watch. And it just cleans itself off. Like, it’s, it’s crazy. You can, yeah, and the artwork changes every day. Obviously. It’s like a...
Georgie 42:32
That’s sick.
Geoff 42:32
...kinetic art coffee table. Yeah. This is the kind of stuff that I probably wouldn’t mind having in my apartment. That’s like, semi artistic. But yeah, I’m not very I’m not very... I like the concept and look at the the mechanics of it. It’s really interesting to me—
Georgie 42:50
But you also just, why do I need it?
Geoff 42:51
When you talk about a record... Yeah, when you talk about a record and you get to see it spin and you got the visual on it. I’m like, yeah, okay, I get that. But also, I could just hit play on Spotify.
Georgie 43:03
Why, why aren’t people into these like, kinetic artists, art tables instead of fucking NFTs, man?
Geoff 43:13
Yeah, you could sell this thing on an NFT. There’s also like this dude who makes kinetic wooden art pieces and it’s like, he’s an, he’s like a straight up engineer. There he is. Yeah. He’s an engineer. So his his goal is to make it spin and turn—it’s, I think it’s a clock—spin, turn, whatever. Oh it’s not a clock. For as long as fucking possible, like he just wants this thing to go as long as possible. And then his his wife’s kind of an artist so she comes up with these wacky designs that he has to kind of like engineer his way around making them.
Georgie 44:00
Wow.
Geoff 44:01
So a lot of stuff goes into the material and you know the bouncing ball bearings and stuff like that. So this is this stuff’s really cool.
Georgie 44:09
Pretty cool.
Geoff 44:10
And he hand mills all this wood.
Georgie 44:13
Oh my god, woah.
Geoff 44:16
Looks like a circle but ain’t a circle. So, yeah, I like I appreciate some of this stuff. But you know, putting a piece of art on my wall is... it’d have to be some particular pieces. But yeah, the, I get the whole vinyl thing. Yeah, it is kind of cool mechanically as well.
Georgie 44:43
Yeah.
Geoff 44:45
But I’m fully digital. I I’ve heard some people think that you know, you know video games have that same thing when you can put a disc in and you play that one game.
Georgie 44:58
Yeah.
Geoff 45:00
And I got digital versions of—I get digital versions wherever I can. But some, some people have said like, yeah, I could get digital versions, but it’s too easy to actually switch between all of the games I have. So it might make me play them less.
Georgie 45:19
Okay.
Geoff 45:19
Whereas my laziness factor for switching the game will force me to play the game that’s in there longer.
Georgie 45:28
Yeah, that’s what I thought. I think that would be me too. I was like, I feel like I wouldn’t. I’m not that lazy. But actually, I have a similar thing. So when I got my car in 2014, I put a CD in there.
Geoff 45:44
“I will walk five hundred miles...”
Georgie 45:47
It was, just so everyone knows, it was the self titled album by Brisbane band, Velociraptor. Anyway, that CD stayed in my car for like years, every time I go in there. I just listen to the same same album, I didn’t mind it. It’s like, not a very long album. It’s like 36 minutes. And I didn’t use my car for like really long road trips, or anything like that. Or not frequently, anyway. If I did, then I would bother like, connecting my phone with the Bluetooth and whatever. But most of the time, I was just driving like to the train station or driving to the gym, or whatever. So jump in the car. So I was playing the same music, so the same CD. And I didn’t give a shit. And I was too lazy to, you know, go back home, find another one to put in. And then like, replace it because I didn’t care enough and I liked it. And it was fine. And it just makes me think of you know, like, it’s like, if it’s not, it’s not broken, don’t fix it. Or you know, you appreciate what you have. And it’s like, why would I get another new one? And why would I worry?
Geoff 46:57
Yeah. The the overhead of doing all that stuff. That’s why you have a five CD changer.
Georgie 47:08
Oh my gosh, even that feels so old, doesn’t it when you think about it?
Geoff 47:15
Dude, I can switch between five CDs and my car.
Georgie 47:18
It was cool when they came out. Or when like you encountered one of those. It’s pretty sick. And then you’re just like, eh.
Geoff 47:25
Yeah, I think I even heard of you know, my car mods that have like a stack, like a 10 CD stack changer in the back in the boot or so?
Georgie 47:35
Yeah, I think my dad, yeah.
Geoff 47:37
And it changed for you. Things people did to get more than just like an album of songs on the, in their car.
Georgie 47:48
But then like it, how long would you be in the car that you’d want to change to another CD you’ve got in the back? You know?
Geoff 47:56
Yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 47:58
I get, I get like if you want another one, if you want two options, something. But most of the time, like, how much do you care?
Geoff 48:06
And then if you go on a road trip, you just bring a car, you bring a stack yourself and you kind of swap out the the albums.
Georgie 48:13
Yeah.
Geoff 48:14
Whilst you’re on the road with a second, hopefully a second person.
Georgie 48:18
But I guess it’s that laziness thing you were saying. Too lazy to open the jewel case. Put another one in. Like?
Geoff 48:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, back then, I guess you just had to be super selective. If you made your own CD. Like you just thought, Okay, what songs are going in my car? And those are the songs that I really like, that you wouldn’t mind listening to over and over again. Otherwise, you’d have to...
Georgie 48:46
Yeah.
Geoff 48:47
Change out the CD, which is a pain. Another thing that’s a pain to do is ending this podcast.
Georgie 48:54
Ouch. Yeah, we’re just gonna go and watch cheese age now, guys.
Geoff 49:00
Cheese age, yeah. Um, well, thanks for listening. You can follow us on @toastroastpod, Instagram and Twitter. Mostly Twitter.
Georgie 49:10
And you can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts, and the big Fyre festival that ever happened.
Geoff 49:22
Oh, god. Yeah. I hope... I think everyone involved that wanted to forget about that. And new episodes every Monday, I think
Georgie 49:34
Yeah. See you next week.
Geoff 49:36
See ya.
Georgie 49:38
Bye.