We discuss our histories of video games, PCs, consoles, and Macs; about how this podcast isn’t going anywhere; about the taste of soap and glue; and – true to form – talk about toasters and revisit the crumpet story.
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We discuss our histories of video games, PCs, consoles, and Macs; about how this podcast isn’t going anywhere; about the taste of soap and glue; and – true to form – talk about toasters and revisit the crumpet story.
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Georgie 0:01
Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your host, Georgie or co host and I’m here with Geoff aka Artemis.
Geoff 0:12
Ooh, if you hadn’t listened to the previous episode, you’re doomed. Yeah, host Georgie, already trying to cut me out, you’re too famous for me? Too famous.
Georgie 0:27
I don’t care about fame.
Geoff 0:28
Yeah. Well, um.
Georgie 0:31
I don’t think I do.
Geoff 0:33
Yeah, we don’t care about fame until we actually become famous and then maybe will care about being famous. But yeah, the I mean, I guess we can start off with, you know, the talk of the town. Everybody thinking about buying new MacBooks every time a new fucking MacBook comes out? Have you ever given much thought about buying a new one? Your your MacBooks like a 2015 MacBook Pro though. So I feel like you’re coming up against the wall.
Georgie 1:04
I am due for an upgrade. Except my friend Chris has a 2012. And I’m like, you need to upgrade your ancient machine. Like mine is, I wouldn’t say it’s going strong. If you asked me a year ago, I might be okay with it. But I think like, I think it says service recommended on the battery right now. It’s still working. But the most painful thing was that I was on, what’s it called? Catalina. I was on Catalina, like, a few months ago. So I wasn’t even on the Big Sur release, which was the last
Geoff 1:39
Yeah, fuck their name’s man.
Georgie 1:41
Monterey.
Geoff 1:41
Yeah.
Georgie 1:45
And I had to clear, like 20 gigabytes of stuff to be able to upgrade from Catalina to Big Sur. And it’s not that I have a lot of shit on my computer, I don’t know, it’s just for some reason it needed a lot to be able to upgrade to Big Sur. And I moved, like I have a lot of photos. But I don’t really use this MacBook, which I’m actually using right now, as we’re talking. I don’t use this for much these days anymore. But I did when I was doing concert photography. So there’s a lot of photos on here from like, before 2016 Just kept in them and I did, I moved some of it to the hard external hard drive. And then I did put some in the cloud. But for some reason, you know, macOS says it’s not enough. You need nine gigabytes of space. And then it did it again to me like when Monterey came out? And I was like, I don’t know, is this just a pitfall of having chosen a 128 gigabyte machine? Please?
Geoff 2:43
See, I always pick the smallest one as well. I don’t get these problems, but I actually don’t have I, to be honest, you wipe my MacBook now, I’d probably be fine. Everything is backed into the cloud. I could get a new MacBook, I could just open that and use it. Like instantly. I just had migrated everything to the cloud. But yeah, I didn’t I don’t keep any photos or anything on here. Really. Everything’s in the cloud. It’s pretty much just the empty shell of a machine. Um.
Georgie 2:49
Have I told you how I, I used to think that cloud storage was like a cult.
Geoff 3:23
I mean, you don’t trust Google. So I feel like that’s like the start of hating cloud itself. Because Google was like, I think one of the first cloud providers, along with Amazon, stuff like that. But yeah.
Georgie 3:38
When cloud first became a thing, I just, I just didn’t, I don’t know, I just felt like I couldn’t trust it. Like I just had this thing about losing my digital information or digital data. That just for some reason, like putting something in the cloud was like I was putting my to me felt like I was putting my trust into something and you know, it being supposedly accessible from everywhere. But then I don’t know, I’ve also heard a story or two about Amazon, like accidentally fucking some shit up and losing people’s precious photos or whatever. Like I don’t put precious things up in the cloud, right. But just the thought of sort of losing things that might be important. Didn’t like that.
Geoff 4:18
Yeah, I mean, there’s a I think there’s a study out there saying that the I think we are in the age where the most volatile no the most I wonder what was the wording? Basically they were trying to say that because all of our data is actually in the cloud and it all of our stuff is so intangible that I think, this is, this history, the age of like the current age in the future is the most likely to be just be wiped out. Like we just lose, we’ll just lose the last 2000 years or not 2000 years. Tw-like 21st century or something.
Georgie 5:02
That’s true, but that kind of, I mean, I, I used to treat email like oooh, important things. But now I treat it as a very ephemeral thing.
Geoff 5:12
Yeah. So we’re basically gonna lose all of the information we’ve collected, because we just put it all in the cloud. Like, I know, a lot of people are really complaining about the fact that all the video games are going into the cloud. So you have to fucking download all your games. And then people, uh, I want a CD so that, you know, the big corporations don’t take away my video games. No shade on anybody who likes that stuff. But yeah. But the idea –
Georgie 5:45
But recently, didn’t they, didn’t they take down the old GTA trilogy, because they released like a new, like, improved one. And I think some people weren’t cool with that.
Geoff 5:55
Yeah, exactly. And like, but in a case with Cyberpunk 2077, which had such a terrible fucking release, like, I don’t even want to go into it, because I bought this PS5 to get that game. But literally, they just, they just, like, Sony clicked their fingers and took it off the store. And basically, no one could buy it. And that’s kind of scary. But like, at the same time, I’m more of a person who, like, I see a game, it’s $80. I try and figure out if I’m going to get at least eight hours or ten hours of enjoyment out of it. And, and then once I finished playing it, I don’t I don’t revisit. So I completely understand, I guess people who want to revisit their games, and they’re afraid that they’re just gonna disappear from the library. But yeah, I’m the kind–but to be honest, I hadn’t haven’t finished many games in my lifetime. But I got a digital PS5. So I’ve already consigned myself to ephemeral gaming. Take away my games, it’s fine. But yeah, I know that you don’t play very many games. So what was, so what was the last game that you kind of finished or played?
Georgie 7:16
I think the last one that I like, the last one I played was actually this like puzzle game called Wildfire Swap, which is, which was done by an independent creator and I came across that game when I was at the XOXO festival.
Geoff 7:31
Oh, it’s really cute. Holy shit.
Georgie 7:33
To be honest I haven’t actually – yeah, it’s like a puzzle thing. I played the beta. To be honest, I haven’t really gotten around to playing the real game since it was released. But yeah, I haven’t played a game in a long time. But some of the games I have finished, are like, Duke Nukem 3D.
Geoff 7:53
Shit. Yeah, that’s hardcore.
Georgie 7:54
Quake 1 and then 2. And when I was a kid, I played I played King’s Quest. I don’t remember which one it was. But it’s the, like the really eight bit pixely kind of shit.
Geoff 8:07
Yeah, this is this great stuff. I don’t think I played anything that early. I think like, we played Rita Rabbit. And like Carmen San Diego, or Where in The World is Carmen San Diego. And like Prince of Persia, but yeah, that that’s pretty early stuff. So who got you to playing games?
Georgie 8:29
Have you ever played Worms?
Geoff 8:30
Oh, yeah, Worms Armageddon. So good. I’ve got it. I got all the switch and like, but the game is so finicky that it’s not in there hasn’t held up essentially because, like, all the controls aren’t that gray. And it’s not intuitive. And it’s hard to get people into a game that’s so slow. Because you have to move a worm and other people move a worm. And then you shoot, and then you miss, and the game is just so slow.
Georgie 9:00
Maybe we’re just not that patient anymore. But yeah, my dad was kind of into computer games when I was like, and like don’t judge my parents, but like, I played King’s Quest when I was like five or six. Just because my dad played the game and I was like, I want to have a go. And then it’s like also yeah, why like why did I play like Quake and like, Duke Nukem? And I guess it’s because yeah, I had um, family friends who were around the same age as me. Some a bit older. Some a bit younger, who also like to play games and that’s how I got introduced to some games, but mostly, I think I just took after my dad but it is questionable as to why like, a 12 year old is playing Duke Nukem and I definitely didn’t understand throwing dollar bills that a like, women without very much clothing.
Geoff 9:54
Hey, I was like as a kid, you’re like they wear whatever they want to wear.
Georgie 9:59
It’s true, right? You don’t have these things built into your, you know, brain.
Geoff 10:05
Like no one has a goal to their clothing. You know, no one has like, ulterior motive. Yeah.
Georgie 10:11
And then I guess these days parents are teaching their kids at a much younger age, like how to just accept the way people are dressed without any assumptions, etc.
Geoff 10:22
Yeah, yeah. But then when your child starts, like, mimicking them, you like, oh, no, no, but you’re trying to teach them to be okay with it. And you’re like, it’s difficult. It’s a difficult line. Yeah. So so your your dad started playing? No, your dad didn’t play Duke Nukem. He was playing King’s Quest.
Georgie 10:41
He did.
Geoff 10:42
He did?
Georgie 10:43
Yeah, he played that. Mostly, mostly, my childhood was like, dad’s playing a game. I want to have a go.
Geoff 10:50
Yeah, yeah. So how did you kind of like fall out of the video game scene?
Georgie 10:59
I think it’s, I think it basically is because I got a MacBook.
Geoff 11:04
Hahahaha.
Georgie 11:05
But, but I did have I had my own machine that I built a PC that I built in 2012. But being a uni student, I didn’t want to spend a lot of money on like, what I needed the hardware for, like a full gaming rig. So I just kind of bought like, cheap shit to build this machine. And it didn’t really facilitate, like, hardcore games. But around the time, Minecraft was the thing so I played that with like, my friends and iPhone and iPads had games, and people were sort of more into that. And then yeah, I guess I just kind of like, you know, along with the flow of life just just fell out of games.
Geoff 11:51
I don’t think it’s a flow of life. It was a technological choice to go to a MacBook.
Georgie 11:57
The thing that doesn’t support fucking games.
Geoff 12:00
Yeah, did... I tried so hard, but I’ll get into it a second to play games on a Mac. But like, why did you get a MacBook?
Georgie 12:12
Hahaha.
Geoff 12:14
Because you had these PCs growing up, you’re playing games, you play games with friends, and then you got a MacBook.
Georgie 12:22
So when I was at uni, we had access to the Macs.
Geoff 12:29
Ahhh.
Georgie 12:29
I didn’t mind them too much, but I just kind of got used to using them as like for work and assignments and stuff. And the point at which, the point at which I bought a MacBook though, was like after I got my first job in like front end development. And my boss didn’t make me, he didn’t make me use a Mac. But he basically just gave me one after I’d been working there for a couple of months with my own stupid, shitty Toshiba laptop, which barely had an hour of battery power.
Geoff 13:01
Oh my god.
Georgie 13:02
And he just, yes. And he was just like, don’t worry, it’ll be fine. I was like, fine. And then I, and then I guess I got pretty hooked. And then, you know, after a couple of years that I – and using a Mac at work, I just got my own, and I used my PC less and less.
Geoff 13:22
And then it died.
Georgie 13:23
Yeah, it did die.
Geoff 13:26
Nick has a –
Georgie 13:28
I think it was shit.
Geoff 13:29
Yeah. Nick has a console though. Have you tried like playing games on consoles?
Georgie 13:37
Yeah, so we have a, we had a PS2, we had a lot of consoles, in my family home. We had a PS2, I think we had a Nintendo of some sort. Not even sure it was the 64, might have been an older one. We had the Sega Mega Drive II. But I guess I’d never really got into the console games apart from GTA Vice City, because my brother almost like hogged it.
Geoff 14:02
Yeah.
Georgie 14:03
My younger brother. But yeah, these days, Nick has a PS5. He just sold his PS4. He kind of goes, comes in waves like when he decides to get into a game and play it until the end or whatever. And then there’ll be a period of time where he doesn’t really play any games. We played a, we played a couple of games together and like one of them was Overcooked.
Geoff 14:24
Oh, yeah Overcooked, classic.
Georgie 14:27
Yeah. Which you can play on the iPad too, I think. Yeah. And that was kind of fun and funny. And I don’t know if, I think we might have played Crash Bandicoot a bit. Or maybe we took turns. I can’t remember. But I’ve actually watched him play some games on it. I watched him play the Spider Man, Spider Man...
Geoff 14:43
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 14:45
Which was actually really cool to watch. And then the other one he played recently, which I found very, like it was almost like watching a movie. I think it was Uncharted which I think they are making a movie out of now. And that was, yeah, it’s been interesting to just kind of watch what’s going on. Yeah. But yeah, recently he was playing Crash Bandicoot and getting frustrated because it’s the kind of game where if you die, you just have to like start a whole section all over again.
Geoff 15:15
I can’t handle it. I can’t handle it. I, I started playing this really popular game called Ratchet and Clank and –
Georgie 15:27
Oh, yeah, yeah, I think he played that as well. A little bit.
Geoff 15:30
Yeah, Ratchet–because it came free with the PS five. But I was playing Ratchet and Clank and I was like, maybe I’ll enjoy this game. But I’ve got to this one platforming part. And I just keep having to repeat it over and over and over. I’m like, I’m done. I’m moving on. But like, yeah, I haven’t finished very many games. But when we were kids, it’s actually kind of surprised that we got consoles to begin with. But we had the PC, the family PC, but we also got like the PlayStation One Slim. Yes. We skipped generations, we go from we skipped like the first one.
Georgie 16:11
I didn’t know this was a thing?
Geoff 16:12
Yeah. Skip the first one go to the next one. Look how mad it is, it actually came with an LCD screen that you can attach to it, became like a laptop. You could just, you just play on the go. Pretty mad. And then we had like, a but that’s that’s it, I think for consoles. Except then we had the Gameboy, we didn’t get the Game Boy we got the Gameboy Advance that we got the foldable. This is the first time flip, flip shit was was hot, you know. Actually no, the Advance SP so we didn’t even go for, so there was the Gameboy One, Gameboy Advance, and the Gameboy Advance SP. So the third Gen. So I grew up –
Georgie 16:56
Is this the full coloured one?
Geoff 16:58
Yeah, this is a full color bar with the backlight screen, you know?
Georgie 17:03
Ah, okay.
Geoff 17:05
So you can say that I grew up getting second third gen of stuff. So that’s usually how I buy my technology. They usually get the second third, maybe fourth gen of stuff. But yeah, I tried. I played a lot of games never finished very many of them. I think conversely to you how you don’t really game for social aspects. Most of my gaming has been because of the social aspect. So I get into the massive multiplayer online role playing games. Because I make friends there. That’s where the majority of my friends are like, during when I was post 10 years old, I guess. All my online friends. So yeah. That’s where aliases and stuff were really important as well for me. So the, yeah, I didn’t really play that many games, to be honest. We had these consoles. My sisters were the ones who played most of the games, like my eldest would finish games like Harvest Moon, if you’ve heard of that one.
Georgie 18:14
I’ve heard of it.
Geoff 18:15
Yeah, it’s a long ass, like, basically, farming game.
Georgie 18:24
How do you finish this game?
Geoff 18:26
So if I recall correctly, to the original one, there is a story of like some like Harvest fairies, and you’re trying to collect the magical stones to help them rebuild something. Along those lines, there’s an underground cave I remember, and like you put the stones in the ground and then it becomes magical. And I don’t know, you bring them back to life or something like that. But there’s all this kind of shit like you just every day you’re like selling turnips. And you can get, you can, you can have a relationship with people in the in the town and stuff like that, you can get married and stuff like that. So it was very random, but my sister would finish this and Spyro. Spyro is a game that she would – she finishes these games. But yeah, so I got a PC, of, like, because I went into a well actually, my first PC. I didn’t actually want the PC when – my dad had gotten secondhand.
Georgie 19:28
Here, have this..
Geoff 19:29
My dad got second hand.
Georgie 19:31
Yes.
Geoff 19:31
Like, here’s a PC.
Georgie 19:32
Oh we had a lot of those at home. We had a lot of like, hand me down or kind of like, my dad sort of collected old PCs.
Geoff 19:39
Yeah.
Georgie 19:39
Like, it’s a bit embarrassing, but...
Geoff 19:41
No, I mean, I looked at it and I was like, I don’t like... this is not the PC I wanted. I don’t know what the, what was wrong with me to be honest. Like, there was nothing wrong with this PC. It had a DVD drive, right? It was pretty rare back then. I was pretty annoyed at this PC for some reason. Bu anyways. I took it. I took it and I basically used it for playing games. Like GunBound and stuff like that, some online games. But I built my own PC eventually, I had this dual monitor setup. Got into compsci. I carried my PC to uni to play LAN games.
Georgie 20:29
What.
Geoff 20:29
Yeah. And then got heavy.
Georgie 20:33
Did you have one of those like fucking Alienware things, like some giant –
Geoff 20:36
It was quite big a laptop, thing, not a laptop, was the tower. I carried the tower to uni.
Georgie 20:42
I am so confused. To uni. Is that even a thing?
Geoff 20:45
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 20:45
People carry towers to uni?
Geoff 20:47
Exactly. And the monitor I brought my own monitor as well. It was just insane.
Georgie 20:51
Was this when you when you went to uni in... Newcastle?
Geoff 20:55
Nah, in Perth, in Perth.
Georgie 20:57
Oh in Perth.
Geoff 20:57
Yeah.
Georgie 20:59
You Perth people are weird. I swear that doesn’t happen if you did this here.
Geoff 21:03
That’s a good point.
Georgie 21:04
You would, you would be tackled to the ground? I don’t know. I’m just trying to imagine because I went to uni in Haymarket, right? Because I went to UTS. Just like, if I was carrying a fucking tower... in Ultimo... to the Tower building?
Geoff 21:18
We have cars in Perth. Everyone has a car in Perth. You see, no one uses public.
Georgie 21:23
Oh, see, I was, I was a commuter. Yeah, that makes sense. But like you, you said that and I was literally imagining you –
Geoff 21:32
On a bus.
Georgie 21:32
Carrying and commuting. Yeah, with...
Geoff 21:34
With the fucking tower? No, doesn’t happen. But I so when I got my first MacBook was when I got whisked away to San Francisco. They gave me one back in 2015, 2015... I should have that MacBook.
Georgie 21:55
Because after that everything got shot to shit.
Geoff 21:57
Yeah.
Georgie 21:57
I still have mine!
Geoff 22:00
I think it was 2015. How long ago is 2015? Six years ago?
Georgie 22:04
Seven years ago.
Geoff 22:07
How old was I, 23? Oh, it was way earlier than that. Then I got 2013 model.
Georgie 22:11
Sorry, was it seven? I think I think you’re right. I think it is six. Whatever.
Geoff 22:15
Yeah. We can’t math everybody. Anyways. So yeah, I got given a MacBook, similar to you actually. And I was like, it’s cool. I use this for work now. So I had, I was actually really used to having a laptop and a PC. So I just kept doing that. I moved to Newcastle, brought my PC with me. Got it shipped over. And then I –
Georgie 22:43
Didn’t carry it?
Geoff 22:44
Nah, didn’t carry it on the plane. With a monitor. Look at me. I gotta buy it, buy it a seat. Probably to bring it on the plane.
Georgie 22:56
Yeah, you probably would.
Geoff 22:57
Yeah. So I don’t know, I got into this idea of consolidation A while later. And I was like, you know what, I can boot, I can dual boot my MacBook into Windows. So I was like, fine. I’ll just play games on my MacBook, dual boot into Windows. And then I got rid of the PC because I was like, oh, you know what, don’t need it. I can play it on the MacBook. Then I got a complicated setup where you have a graphics card external to the MacBook and then you connect that to a monitor. The idea was actually, I got a 4k monitor at the time and everything needs to be upgraded when it’s 4k. Anyways, so yeah, and then I I realised I wasn’t playing any video games. Like I had no one to play with. And I wasn’t too big of a solo player. So then, you know, everything went out the window. No more graphics card. The MacBooks are perfectly fine running a 4k monitor. And yeah, so I got a PS5. I barely play that. But like, like Nick, I got the I played the Spider Man the cool, that’s really cool. I think Spider Man was really nice. And I tried to play Cyberpunk 2077. Actually, I went into quarantine back in Perth. I shipped – I brought the PS5 with me. I like checked it in with luggage. And then I went into quarantine and have the PS5 –
Georgie 24:29
Wait we talked about this in the last – didn’t we talk about this?
Geoff 24:33
I can’t remember.
Georgie 24:34
Hey, by the way sorry I’m gonna derail the podcast because whatever 20 minutes on mine but yeah, there is a lot of fucking back like you probably can hear it but it’s probably pick that there’s a lot of fucking background noise because there’s some kids screaming outside.
Geoff 24:47
Ohhhh, Halloween.
Georgie 24:49
And oh, is that what it is? I mean, I mean we can keep it in there but I mean yeah, I don’t know if you can you can you take out background or like reduce background noise.
Geoff 24:57
Yeah, the thing is I reduced the background noise in post before and I could still hear like some of Nick’s frustration at Crash Bandicoot, if I recall correctly, but it’s fine. We can keep it in but yeah, it’s Halloween. It’s pretty... I pretty much hate Halloween.
Georgie 25:19
It’s actually really fucking loud outside like, like, I’m hearing like kids screaming like they’re being murdered.
Geoff 25:28
Oh, Did you know Did you hear helicopters recently? Apparently this is around the time that...
Georgie 25:35
When?
Geoff 25:36
I mean like last week or something like that for the last couple weeks.
Georgie 25:41
Oh, yeah, I was in a call with Chris and he heard like these helicopters. And then Bruno came in and was like daddy, we just saw four helicopters and...
Geoff 25:51
Yeah.
Georgie 25:52
He was wearing noise cancelling headphones, so he couldn’t hear but I could hear it on the other end.
Geoff 25:55
Yeah, apparently it was the the army doing like, drills for terrorists to anti terrorism drills with their helicopters. They’re just flying it all over like Macquarie Park and stuff like that. That was pretty interesting. But yeah.
Georgie 26:14
So since we’re kind of talking about random background noise, and I don’t know if this is gonna end up in the final version of the podcast, but we’re just recording so we’re...
Geoff 26:21
What do you mean, we don’t edit our podcast? Don’t be silly. But yeah, rando background noise.
Georgie 26:31
We try to, rando background noises. Like, I don’t know. Like. Anyone have any thoughts on random background noises?
Geoff 26:43
I think I don’t get any.
Georgie 26:45
Make them sound...
Geoff 26:46
Because yeah, I live...
Georgie 26:48
But dude, you have a microphone. Okay, so we hit like 300 downloads or whatever?
Geoff 26:52
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 26:53
Is it time for me to get a mic.
Geoff 26:54
It is time for you to get a microphone.
Georgie 26:58
Sponsor me.
Geoff 26:59
Yeah.
Georgie 26:59
Sponsor me.
Geoff 27:01
I mean, we were talking about this earlier, like 300 all time down that I don’t even know what it means. To be honest. It says 300 down–downloads. I feel like it’s listens, but people could actually like, click to listen, but not listen to it, I guess. But we can trust that I guess people are actually listening to this stuff. So I mean, thanks to everybody who even wants to listen to us ramble on about random stuff. And what are we on episode like 19? now? As well. We’re almost hitting the episode 20. So it’s been it’s been pretty good. What do you what do you what are your thoughts on starting this podcast? Like, since we’d be doing it for 20 weeks? Almost.
Georgie 27:48
Wow, I didn’t even realise that, like, that, 20 episodes, like 19 episodes being like 19 weeks. But like when I wrote the blog post, where I was, I think we’d had like five episodes. And I wrote a blog post about how this is a thing we’ve been doing and you know, kind of official promo thing. I realised it had been going on for like a couple of months. And I was like, oh, wow, that’s a long time.
Geoff 28:13
Yeah, five months. This is a this is a really long...
Georgie 28:16
Has it’s been five months?
Geoff 28:17
Yeah. 20 episodes is is divided by four, five months. Yeah, it’s a bit of dedication. I think we’ve done pretty well with being dedicated to getting recording and something out. I think it’s been a good hobby.
Georgie 28:35
I think we just like, talking shit.
Geoff 28:37
Yeah. Yeah. One of my friends asked if since lockdown is over whether or not we’re going to continue with the podcasts. And I hadn’t actually
Georgie 28:47
Hey, this wasn’t necessa–this wasn’t necessarily a lockdown only thing I think we actually just we just wanted to do it. And it was just so happened that we had some time because of lockdown.
Geoff 28:59
Yeah.
Georgie 29:00
But I mean, just because it’s ended doesn’t mean I’m just suddenly gonna abandon this because like I’m still enjoying it. It’s still, it’s still cool and stuff.
Geoff 29:09
Yeah, I hadn’t really thought too much about it being a lockdown thing you know? Yeah, I thought it was just you know, something, something cool to do, something fun to do. And so yeah, when they mentioned it was a lockdown thing like, oh that’s a good point. We did start it in lockdown, but I don’t think, I don’t think yeah, it necessarily was.
Georgie 29:34
I mean, what I can say is that we don’t have any grand plans for it right? We don’t care too much about trying to reel in the sponsors or anything like that. We don’t have –
Geoff 29:47
Otter AI, sponsor us.
Georgie 29:51
We did, we did bring up like, like maybe we could have guests at some point or whatever. Right. But like we don’t have any plan plans because then even every week which is like what are we fucking talking about, so.
Geoff 30:01
Yeah, I think with guests, you almost need a theme that matches the guests that we’re bringing on. Maybe we’ll bring Taiyo on, from a little bit of a crossover from my other podcast. It’d be, it’d be hilarious. Um, I think the only grand plans we actually have are, get a jingle. It’s Toast Roast Podcast, Toast Roast Pod.
Georgie 30:28
Cha-ching.
Geoff 30:28
Cha-ching.
Georgie 30:34
We did–we thought about the toaster sound, which, I still think
Geoff 30:37
Oh, yeah, yeah, the toaster. Cha-ching. You know, I’lll just record my toaster. Like, why do we need to sample other toaster?
Georgie 30:45
I know right.
Geoff 30:46
Oh, speaking of like, like toaster sounds.
Georgie 30:48
But the thing is – yeah? Okay.
Geoff 30:50
Nah, I watched a –
Georgie 30:51
What are you toasting in there? Is it a crumpet?
Geoff 30:53
It’s a, it’s not a crumpet, because we don’t toast crumpets, we roast.
Georgie 30:57
Oh, crumpet story. Wait, wait, wait, I have an update. After our crumpet.
Geoff 31:02
Yeah.
Georgie 31:03
Episode. So the other day, I was on a Zoom call with Chris. And for some reason, he was showing me how much food there was in his fridge. I think probably because there’s just like a lot to get through. And sometimes, you know, people get really keen on cleaning out their fridge not wanting to waste food, which is a good thing.
Geoff 31:21
Yeah.
Georgie 31:22
So he goes, look, it’s your favourite thing. And he pulled out, like a bag of crumpets, right. And then I asked him, wait, actually, before you put that back, I said, can you read the packet?
Geoff 31:37
Hahahaha.
Georgie 31:38
Please. Because I haven’t look, I haven’t looked. I haven’t touched or looked at a packet of crumpets in a long time. Obviously. I said can you just check if there are instructions on on the packet to toast them? He starts like, looking at it, reading out loud, ingredients, where it was fucking manufactured and everything and whatever. There was nothing on there.
Geoff 32:04
Shock.
Georgie 32:05
There was nothing on there that said, no suggestions for serve – that there’s nothing that’s suggested that you should put them in the toaster.
Geoff 32:13
So do you think this is like treasured knowledge passed down from generations prior to a in a crumpet lineage? To test these components? Because we’re Asians.
Georgie 32:28
Nah Geoff I think it’s just a white thing.
Geoff 32:30
Okay. Yeah. I –
Georgie 32:32
It’s not. It’s not that treasured. We all know it’s not that treasured.
Geoff 32:37
Yeah, I mean, I was leaning towards the Caucasian thing, it’s just you know, the crumpet lineage is a bit Caucasian. Um, because we’re out there eating, you know, porridge, not the Caucasian porridge. What do they call it?
Georgie 32:53
Congee?
Geoff 32:54
Yeah, we out there eating congee everybody, with our and what? Nutri Grain and Milo cereal and Pop Tarts. I’m toasting Pop Tarts in my toaster these days. Pop Tarts. Pop Tarts are not Asian but.
Georgie 33:10
I haven’t had one of those in a long time. Yeah, I’m pretty sure on the packet those tell you.
Geoff 33:16
Oh, I think I think the packet itself is them in a toaster.
Georgie 33:24
You know what? We should we should suggest that rebrand your crumpets fucking packaging. There should be a picture of a crumpet in a toaster on the package.
Geoff 33:38
Oh, no, I was wrong. I just I just know that. I just know that it’s it’s passed down knowledge from the elders but they do say toaster pastries. Toaster pastries.
Georgie 33:51
Well there you go right?
Geoff 33:51
Yeah, it’s um. Oh. And it has it on the box. Lowest use lowest heat setting for Pop Tarts.
Georgie 34:02
There is literally an illustration of a toaster.
Geoff 34:05
This is how you do it. Everybody. You don’t you don’t rely on you know Chinese whispers.
Georgie 34:11
Assumed knowledge. Do you think do you think Chinese whispers is racist?
Geoff 34:19
I don’t know.
Georgie 34:20
It’s called Telephone.
Geoff 34:21
It’s called Gartic Phone. Right? We play Gartic Phone now. So frequently.
Georgie 34:25
That’s the game.
Geoff 34:25
On, just at work.
Georgie 34:30
Don’t, don’t play it with 14 people. It is such a pain.
Geoff 34:34
Yeah, it takes too long.
Georgie 34:35
If you’ve ever played with that many people it takes – yeah, it takes so long. And I’m like, I can’t stand drawing all of these things. And I don’t have the patience. Granted, you’re in tears afterwards.
Geoff 34:44
Yeah.
Georgie 34:45
Laughing at everything you say. But it’s just I don’t know. I don’t quite know if it’s worth all of that effort. In such a large group.
Geoff 34:52
We played the scored version and that’s weird. I don’t know how they actually calculate the scoring. It’s like if you get I think it’s if you get the phrase, the same phrase as the one prior. Like, you get a drawing, someone else describes the drawing. And then someone else draws the drawing. And then you describe the drawing again, if you match the previous description, you get a point. It’s kind of interesting way of like scoring it. And then yeah.
Georgie 35:20
But then, so that’s, that means there’s no fun in it. Right? So you’re saying you need to have the same answer or similar to so, nothing could have changed?
Geoff 35:28
Yeah. So it’s basically scoring you on the accuracy of the drawing to the previous description. And if you get the same description, then you score a point. Yeah, you’re right. It does. It does hamper the creativity, doesn’t it?
Georgie 35:42
Cuz I think that’s where the fun comes from, from the shit being wrong. Yeah. And like, completely wack. Have I told you about the one that I ended up having at work? It was like, the heroin one or whatever?
Geoff 35:56
No, but I think that’s gonna be really hard to illustrate on a podcast.
Georgie 35:59
Okay. So I got a picture. And I think I was the first person to basically describe what was in the picture after the original one. And it looked like someone holding like a bottle of beer. And then there was like a phone or what, it must have been a phone shape near their ear. And they had circled the phone. And I was like, I don’t know what to make of this, though. Is that the phone? But the person is drinking beer, are they drunk? And like, I didn’t have time to write down what this was. I literally wrote “drugs”. And then the next person to draw “drugs” based on what I had written, had kind of kind of drew someone with an arm. And I mean –
Geoff 36:48
Oh, man.
Georgie 36:49
Like someone, wrote, somebody like, shooting heroin, but they’d written “shooting green heroin”, because for some reason, the person coloured in the test tube, the tube, the syringe with green. And then after that, it, it went completely downhill from there. And I think someone ended up drawing another person in there. And I think the last one was something like “anti vaxxer getting his comeuppance”. Because this looked like a fight with someone and a needle. And the original, the original thing was supposed to be a “hungover phone”. And I’m like, I don’t even understand how you draw that. So I just wrote drugs for the person showing someone drinking, drinking alcohol and a phone.
Geoff 37:45
Yeah, update on food that doesn’t quite taste how you expect it to taste. I distinctly remember going to Japan and eating at this chain called Saizeriya. I think –
Georgie 38:03
Yeah.
Geoff 38:04
I think it’s actually a brand that’s global? Saizeriya... Saizeriya. Italian Italian restaurant Saizeriya. Anyways. So in Japan. They have this restaurant called Saizeriya, Saizeriya, which is Italian. But if you go in and you actually, we ordered like, Bolognese and you know carbonara like you normally do, but it tastes absolutely nothing like a bolognese or a carbonara. It’s like, they’re a really strange flavour. And we were so perplexed by this. We actually had it quite a few times when we were in, in Japan, like it’s like so unique to Japan.
Georgie 38:53
Wait so, it’s good though? It’s tasty?
Geoff 38:56
It’s kind of interesting. It’s an interesting flavour. I wouldn’t say it’s like good, because I mean, you go in there you asked for a commoner but it’s not eggy. It’s not creamy. We had no idea what the fuck it is. And it’s, it’s like really strange and I recommend when we can actually go there. It’s like, try it out, Saizeriya. It’s, it has a very American, American Italian kind of vibe to it with its with its logo. That looks kinda like Sizzler. But yeah.
Georgie 39:28
Sizzler.
Geoff 39:29
Sizzler. Oh, RIP Sizzler. But yeah.
Georgie 39:34
I used to like it. Like with my family. We used to like, I mean, I think it was just the cheese toast thing. I think that was, the highlight.
Geoff 39:41
Oh, the cheese toast was so good. Yeah, but one last thing about Saizeriya, is that I think because they don’t have the same ingredients like that you can get in Italy, it had just been like whatever they can find to make it look like the dishes that they know from Italy, but they don’t taste anything like the dishes from Italy. So I was like this is this is fun.
Georgie 39:44
But kind of sad.
Geoff 40:08
Yeah, it’s kind of fun. Kind of sad, but what else? Anyways, that was my update on food that is weird tasting, that you expect to taste differently. I can’t remember what episode podcast we’re talking about but reminded me of this. The crumpet...
Georgie 40:24
The food nostalgia one or?
Geoff 40:26
No I think it was from the crumpet. I think it was from the crumpet episode. But
Georgie 40:32
Oh, you know, you know how people say that, um, coriander slash cilantro –
Geoff 40:37
Oh my god.
Georgie 40:38
For some it tastes like soap.
Geoff 40:40
Really?
Georgie 40:41
So,
Geoff 40:42
You know it’s coriander?
Georgie 40:43
Apparently it’s a genetic thing.
Geoff 40:45
Yeah.
Georgie 40:45
You spelled it wrong.
Geoff 40:46
Coriander? Yeah, I spelled it how you said it fell apart. “Corrianda”?
Georgie 40:54
Coriander. You wrote it out as if it was like a name.
Geoff 40:59
Oh, “Corrianda”, “Corriando”. Alejandro.
Georgie 41:05
Okay. Apparently it’s a it’s a genetic. Really, it’s, it’s a genetic thing that some people just find that it tastes like soap. So some people are genetically their taste buds are predisposed –
Geoff 41:19
Ahh, interesting,
Georgie 41:20
...to taste like soap. Yeah. So don’t be hating on people for saying that. Yeah. And then what I find funny is I was thinking about as I was having it, I think I was making some some kind of I think I was making rice paper rolls or something. I was eating something that had it on it. And I thought, what if – and I don’t, I don’t think it tastes like soap – but I was there like, paying attention to the taste of it and was like, what if I have that gene? And it actually tastes like soap but I don’t know that, or I like the taste.
Geoff 42:04
So you went to your bathroom –
Georgie 42:05
And I don’t know it!
Geoff 42:06
...and ate some soap. That’s the end of the story, right?
Georgie 42:12
No, but have I told you how I made a kid eat glue?
Geoff 42:15
What? Why? Anyways, before we move to that one, not –
Georgie 42:20
Why? Why? I’ll tell ya why.
Geoff 42:26
Which makes kind of sen–like that, that’s really interesting because that me–that might be why the carbonara doesn’t taste like Italian carbonara is because, like Japanese have this have this like genetic taste like profile. So when they taste it, they’re like, oh, tastes like carbonara but it’s not. But I’ve had people you know, have, I’ve – so durian. My favourite thing.
Georgie 42:54
Yes. Your fave.
Geoff 42:55
My fave.
Georgie 42:56
Just not flying across the screen.
Geoff 42:58
Just not flying across the screen, more like in my stomach. We – I found some, you know, durian enthusiasts that work back at Domain. Or, maybe just one or two. And they were like, Oh, I can get it frozen. And I can bring it to the office one day. And I’m like, oh, man, we’re gonna get kicked out. Like we just have we probably shouldn’t tell anybody that we’re going to bring durian into the office. So because yeah.
Georgie 43:27
The smell, like, you don’t want people...
Geoff 43:28
Yeah. OH&S. Like the people like the the head of, Head of People Culture probably be like, get out. So they brought in those like little trays. And we were eating it during lunchtime, or just after lunchtime. And people were coming back from lunch. So they were walking through the kitchen going, Oh, what’s that? What’s that? So we had a very wide variety of people trying durian, and everyone from Caucasians who haven’t tried durian, to Asians who are, who know its reputation, right? What’s really interesting, was that some said, it’s a bit eggy. I’m like, I’ve never tasted egginess before, and some said it’s a bit oniony now I’m like, how did we go from eggy, to oniony? Like, they’re same thing. Have you tried durian?
Georgie 44:20
Yeah, I’ve had I’m not a big fan.
Geoff 44:22
What do you think it tastes like?
Georgie 44:23
I don’t know what you think it – okay. So my parents think it – so my mum and my brother – think it tastes like ice cream.
Geoff 44:32
Interesting.
Georgie 44:33
I’m like, what fuck kind of ice cream. So like, I don’t, I haven’t eaten an ice cream in like years because I’m lactose intolerant. And so I only eat like nut based ice cream. But I just remember it didn’t really taste like anything, to be honest. Like it didn’t. It had a strong smell to me. But it doesn’t really have a strong flavour. It almost tastes like nothing but now that you’ve said that someone kind of said it tasted eggy, I kind of get that really like really subtle kind of like, because I feel like sometimes eggs can have a... I think they have a strong taste if you eat too many, if you eat a lot. Yeah. But yeah it to be honest, it did not have, it had a rather subtle taste that almost to me didn’t do anything, didn’t excite me in any way whatsoever.
Geoff 45:25
Yeah, yeah. I like even now I can’t even tell you what I think it tastes like. But when they were describing eggy oniony, I kept eating more and I was like, actually, it’s something I could I could taste what they meant. And it’s, it is I think a blend of eggy and oniony. It’s somewhere in the middle. And it’s just it was just so in so interesting having so many variety of people eat the same eat this one fruit. It’s a fruit, right? Yeah. And then my friends got I think got like a very, like a variety of different types of durian, like shipped, like imported and we all sat and ate this like tasting pal–palette. I’ve never eaten
Georgie 46:12
So they taste different. Yeah, they have different ones.
Geoff 46:14
Yeah, some are stronger, stronger, and bitterness, some are stronger and sweetness. The we were describing this to a friend of ours who had never even like, smelt it or, or tasted it. And one of my friends is like, it’s creamy. And the other one said it’s like oniony. And my, the guy was like, whoa, I will not eat something. It’s either creamy or underneath this is very very very different flavors. I will eat creamy, but I won’t eat oniony.
Georgie 46:50
Is it, isn’t creamy oniony, that reminds me of like some kind of like garlic dip.
Geoff 46:55
Ooh, sour cream and onion.
Georgie 46:57
Middle eastern food, yeah. Oh yeah, exactly. Something like that.
Geoff 47:01
Yeah.
Georgie 47:02
But I was gonna, yeah, before you said that you tried different variety of that I was gonna suggest that maybe every single one tastes different and it’s a giant...
Geoff 47:12
Nah there are different, different types. Anyway, so how did, why did you get someone to eat glue? Besides being the troll, the troll that you are.
Georgie 47:24
Alright, let’s let’s make that let’s end the episode with this with this story. Unless you have unless you have one that’s in a similar vein that can trump it.
Geoff 47:33
Alright, story trump Here we go.
Georgie 47:35
It was so it was at, I was a kid. I didn’t do this as an adult and like make a kid eat glue.
Geoff 47:41
You mean last year?
Georgie 47:45
Yeah, everybody I’m only 12. I was in year 10. So I was like 10 years – oh, sorry, not year 10 sorry. I was in year four. So I was like nine years old. And I don’t know, I don’t know if you had like a thing for knowing that there were different kinds of glue in like Officeworks or whatever, but some glues were very shit and some were like –
Geoff 48:10
No I don’t go around taste plattered, like tasting glue.
Georgie 48:17
I’m talking about the stickiness.
Geoff 48:19
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 48:20
Yeah, okay, so some of the poor quality just you put like you slide the glue stick on to your paper, you try to stick it down on something and it just doesn’t doesn’t really stick.
Geoff 48:29
UHU glue. Terrible.
Georgie 48:33
Thank you. And then you go Bostik right. And then everyone everyone really like loves the blue colour, because it goes on blue, dries clear. Anything when you’re a kid right?
Geoff 48:44
Sponsor us Bostik.
Georgie 48:45
The Bostik was the sticky glue. So there was a shitty glue, which was, I don’t even, I don’t even think it was like a reputable brand. Was like a $2 store brand, which I think was called Dats, D-A-T-S, just like some cheap $2 glue and yeah.
Geoff 49:07
Sorry, I Googled Bostik it came out with a big black dude. So it was really funny.
Georgie 49:13
You spelled the name, you spelled Bostic wrong. So the cheap glue was just so cheap and crap that you could touch the glue and you could actually pull it apart.
Geoff 49:23
Ooh, yeah, no.
Georgie 49:24
It was malleable. It was malleable and just for fun because the tactility was amazing for a nine year old at the time. I started pulling some off and then I started rolling it in my fingers it was like it was playing with dough.
Geoff 49:37
Oh I think I know the one you are talking about. Yeah.
Georgie 49:41
Yeah. Oh, I have actually, I have another story after this. Actually, not even a story, but do you remember Clag glue?
Geoff 49:49
Clag?
Georgie 49:49
Please tell me you do, Clag, the paste.
Geoff 49:52
Oh, this one? Yes. Yes. Sorry. Dries clear.
Georgie 49:55
Yeah. So I think everybody knows about Clag glue is that as a kid you paint it on your hands.
Geoff 50:00
Yeah, yeah, you peel it off.
Georgie 50:02
Because it dried like, paper mache.
Geoff 50:05
But when you get older, when you get older your skin is actually coming off. Is that Clag glue. To real? Too real? I’m gonna moisturise my hands.
Georgie 50:19
I feel really uncomfortable anyway... So I get this cheap glue and I’m like rolling it in a little ball in my finger and, kids just, they didn’t always have the stuff that they needed in their pencil case like sometimes they were missing a glue or they didn’t have scissors and they’d ask another like a classmate, oh, can I borrow your glue? Can I borrow your scissors? And so this guy asked me, he was like, can I borrow your glue? And I’m like, mmmm... and, and he said he would pay me 10 cents, right? When you’re nine years old, 10 cents go like is like 10 bucks. So I’m like yeah, alright. And then another guy asked at the same table because we went to like a group, another guy asked if he could use the glue. And I said, do you have 10 cents? He said he didn’t have 10 cents. And I was still playing with this little ball of glue in my hand and I was like, alright, then, eat this. And then you can use my glue.
Geoff 51:14
Oooh.
Georgie 51:14
And then he actually, actually took it. Like this sounds really disgusting in 2021. Kids are gross. He actually put it in his mouth and swallowed it. And I was like, “prove it”, and he was like, he opened his mouth and he lifted up his tongue and he totally totally fucking swallowed it.
Geoff 51:28
Aww shit.
Georgie 51:30
He was like, he was repulsed for like all of like, one and a half seconds.
Geoff 51:35
Yeah, it’s like kids do kid things.
Georgie 51:37
He just wanted to use the glue.
Geoff 51:39
It kind of reminds you of the this story about how like, I had a friend who was collecting wasabi packets. And he ended up rolling so much wasabi together into like a golf ball sized wasabi, and he ate it. And oh my god, it was the stupidest thing but funniest thing I’ve ever seen. He was like just on the floor crying his eyes out. The golf ball size of wasabi.
Georgie 52:12
What what effect does that have on your digestive system.
Geoff 52:15
I didn’t even ask. I just walked away because they’re idiots. Speaking of things idiots we should walk away from.
Georgie 52:23
Are you walking away.
Geoff 52:24
We should walk away from this podcast. Don’t forget to follow us on as usual @toastroastpod on Instagram and Twitter. We actually posting stuff on Instagram now I believe.
Georgie 52:42
Sometimes, I may have forgotten to recently.
Geoff 52:45
Sometimes. Yeah. So still Twitter.
Georgie 52:48
But yeah. New episodes every Monday. You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the big giant pot of Clag glue.
Geoff 52:59
Ooh. Yep. And that’s –
Georgie 53:02
Or the big giant wasabi golf ball.
Geoff 53:04
The big giant ball of glue that you should not eat. Because of all the dirt that you rolled into the glue, that’s all I could think of. That was the, like a black ball of glue that you gave to the kid. Oh my god. So yeah, that’s That’s all we have time for. Bye. See you next week.
Georgie 53:23
Bye. See you next week.