Georgie back at it with another concert claiming she's an OG fan, but not the hateful kind we see these days, besides who cares unless the bands are self made and for that matter what if no one ever cared about famous people?
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Georgie back at it with another concert claiming she's an OG fan, but not the hateful kind we see these days, besides who cares unless the bands are self made and for that matter what if no one ever cared about famous people?
Geoff 0:00
Hi and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I’m your co host Geoff. And as usual, I am here with Georgie. How’s it going, Georgie?
Georgie 0:18
Hello.
Geoff 0:20
Then, did I just see that you were at yet another concert last night?
Georgie 0:23
(laughs) Yes, I was I was. I was.
Geoff 0:26
This one you’re excited about to talk.
Georgie 0:27
I was so excited. But it also makes me want to leave and go into another topic. So they’re called The—
Geoff 0:32
Like The 1975?
Georgie 0:37
Yeah.
Geoff 0:37
Who names their band after the year?
Georgie 0:40
Well it’s not after—
Geoff 0:40
After a year?
Georgie 0:42
I think it was the the band name came from, I think a poetry book where someone had written in the back, something something the date, The 1975. So for some reason someone had written that the year with—
Geoff 0:58
Isn’t it a book?
Georgie 0:59
I think it is as well. But yeah, if you look for the The 1975 like name, bad name, origin.
Geoff 1:08
Yeah.
Georgie 1:08
It was a poetry book, and they just saw, or the lead singer saw someone write the date with the word “the” in front of the year and that’s where the band came from.
Geoff 1:19
That’s um, that’s pretty obscure.
Georgie 1:23
Yeah.
Geoff 1:23
Very, very. Oh, there’s is guy. I don’t know if I’ve told this story before. But this is this guy on on Twitch, who used to play this game called Hearthstone—we did, this guy’s toast, that was like the last episode.
Georgie 1:37
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 1:39
An episode like a couple of episodes ago. Anyways, it’s, yeah, this seems pretty obscure.
Georgie 1:44
Yeah, so I won’t get super into the band themselves. But I would describe the music as mostly pop rock. The band’s from the UK, they have had a, not really a wide, not really expansive discography. But I would say that opinions are divided about about this group. People either love them or hate them is the general consensus. And as with most bands, they have great songs, and they have not so great songs. So you know, take it with a grain of salt. The reason I like them, and I actually only found out about them a couple of years ago, is because lyrically, I think they explore some very interesting themes. Some of their song lyrics are, I wouldn’t say questionable, but interesting. So one of them—going to swear here. One of them. The first line of the song goes, “We’re fucking in a car shooting heroin”—
Geoff 2:46
Oh OK.
Georgie 2:45
“Saying controversial things just for the hell of it”. One of their songs is also called, “I Always Wanna Die (Sometimes)”. So make of that what you will. And then there’s another line in one of their songs that says “getting STDs at 27 really isn’t a vibe”. So there’s—
Geoff 2:59
Literally leaning into your emo roots.
Georgie 3:07
Yeah. Anyway, real, I really enjoyed the concert. And Nick really enjoyed it as well. And to be fair, just gonna put it out there, I found out about this band. And then I told Nick about them. But that is the case with a lot of music that I like, is Nick doesn’t isn’t super into music, compared to me. And I told him about this band. And it took him some time to like, listen to the music and form an opinion on it. And generally, I invite him to go to a concert with me, and it’s fine to just come along for company. But this time, he was very excited. And I’m like, it was a bit like, in a mocking way, how dare you be as excited as me. Yeah, like—
Geoff 3:53
Just not used to it.
Georgie 3:54
I’m not used to it. But then it led me to think about how there’s often in music fandom, some gatekeeping.
Geoff 4:03
Right.
Georgie 4:03
Around, around that. And it’s very interesting, because I was talking to a friend of mine about this who said that, it seems like it could be a generational thing. It seems like the younger generation, Gen Z, are more like, possessive over the—
Geoff 4:21
I mean—
Georgie 4:22
It’s just they like—
Geoff 4:22
Yeah, it’s sort of like I knew I knew them before they became mainstream—
Georgie 4:22
Yes, exactly.
Geoff 4:22
...type vibe. Right. I’m pretty sure you’ve said it. You’ve said this exact phrase to me.
Georgie 4:22
I’ve said it. “I liked them before they were cool”.
Geoff 4:25
Yeah, I know. Yeah, I liked them before they were cool.
Georgie 4:38
But it’s the treatment of it. So I think millennials are more like, “I liked them before they were cool”. But the stories that my friend told me about younger people is hating on other fans who chose to, for example, line up very early for a concert so they could get front row seats, or front row in the mosh, you know then they get I’m really hateful towards those people. And they say, “oh you must have been there since 4am”, or some other shit. And it’s directed, the anger is directed at the fans like in a, in that kind of way.
Geoff 5:13
Is... Is this the people who came late to the game that are lining up super early to get good places? Or is it the people who are like who have been longtime fans, they line up early to get places. And then the people who came late to the game, think they’re too cool for school?
Georgie 5:29
No, it’s people, the people who are mad are the people who are OG fans, but that other OG fans for going out of their way. And I think it comes from a place of jealousy. It’s like you had the time, or you had the, as they say, the audacity to line up this early, I couldn’t be bothered. And therefore I’m jealous of you, for spending—and I’m gonna hate on you.
Geoff 5:53
Oh it comes, it comes back to that cardboard lady, the card the lady who spent a bunch of time—
Georgie 6:00
Oh yeah.
Geoff 6:00
Doing the cardboard alleyway thing, and then everyone hating on her for having that much time because they like don’t like the reflection.
Georgie 6:07
Yeah.
Geoff 6:07
They’re like, “I could have done that if I had time”. So she must have tons of time. Then I’m like, for some reason. Oh, not for some reason. But yeah, hating on that.
Georgie 6:18
Yeah. And she was doing that for her kids. Right. It was like a kid, like a school thing.
Geoff 6:21
Exactly.
Georgie 6:22
Yeah.
Geoff 6:22
So yeah, I can kind of get why like there’s there’s like the same kind of hate towards people who are like, like, you’re you’re you think you’re a bigger fan than me because you rocked up earlier.
Georgie 6:36
It’s like that, and I kind of I kind of don’t like it. And I feel it’s I feel like it’s more prevalent these days, because I remember like, in around about 2008. When I hadn’t gone to a concert yet. I heard of this girl who had followed, you know, do you know Anberlin? I think we might have talked?
Geoff 6:52
No, I don’t think so.
Georgie 6:53
Okay. Yeah, like a rock band from somewhere in the US. I’ve forgotten. But I think they started as a Christian rock band, but they’re music’s not specifically Christian. But there was a girl I saw hanging out with them or she got like, like VIP tickets. Fair enough. But she’d gone and seen them in every city that they were touring in Australia.
Geoff 7:13
Holy shit.
Georgie 7:14
And she followed them, essentially, I’m like cool. You’re a super fan or whatever. And I don’t I don’t remember getting that any kind of feeling of like, “How dare you” or like, “the audacity”. I was like, god that’s some dedication and okay, like maybe—
Geoff 7:31
You don’t sit there wondering man, I wish I had that dedication and then you hate them because they have the dedication. You want the dedication.
Georgie 7:39
Yeah, it’s so it’s so weird. And you know, as we were saying, like, the whole “I knew them before they were famous” sort of thing. I actually have that sentiment towards the the artists themselves or the person themselves. I’m like, you better remember me when you become famous—
Geoff 7:56
(laughs)
Georgie 7:58
That kind of—
Geoff 7:58
You gotta remember your OG fans.
Georgie 8:00
Yeah, you got to, yeah. And I have a, I think, I would say, and this may be a massive generalization, but I think millennials, like our whole generation is more of like a yeah, remember me, remember we when you’re famous, whereas it seems like the younger generation these days are like hating on other people who dare to have the same, like, passion that they do, is what I observe.
Geoff 8:26
I mean, there’s an episode in the Community. Sorry, I said the Community sorry. It’s just Community.
Georgie 8:32
Let’s just go “The” before every—
Geoff 8:33
The Facebook, The 1975. There’s an episode in Community where the, one of the one of the girls they have a strong feeling towards like, like, bad things that are happening in the world. They’re coming from like, kind of activist esque kind of background. I can’t remember her—Britta right, in any case, so she used to be quite a big activist. Pitchforks and posters and you know, like and then the word protests and all that kind of stuff. Anyways, but now she doesn’t do as much about it. And in passing she’s like, “you guys don’t even know what’s happening in like Uganda” or whatever. And the other two are just like “what, wait, what’s happening in Uganda?” and she’s just like “oh, you’re interested? Like, look it up, there’s people like journalists dying for for their work in Uganda because they’re being silenced” or whatever. And the other two were like, “oh my god, we had no idea this was happening”. So what did they do? They set up a like a bake sale like they they make cupcakes, they make like the most like cheesy trashiest kind of demonstration of like the “support the journalists in Uganda” or whatever and they thought they start doing a lot of PR and, and the, and Britta is not happy. Like, “this is not the right way to do this”. And they’re like, “what is the right way? You’re just like Uganda, you’re silencing us”.
Georgie 10:18
Oh shit.
Geoff 10:18
And it becomes a whole thing where she’s like, “You guys are just too much in, in like, in that way” that she maybe felt like bad for not being as like, as forward about her beliefs as they are. Which is like really weird. So, yeah, this is like a bad reflection. No one likes it. I did watch a video like a short. Oh my god, YouTube videos are getting so short. They may as well be shorts. Like I’ve seen seen some—
Georgie 10:54
Yeah. Why did they separate them in the first place?
Geoff 10:57
It’s just like, why don’t you just have a category of videos, which are shorter than like—
Georgie 11:02
Wait, remember ProZD? Right? He’s always done like—
Geoff 11:07
Always.
Georgie 11:08
13-second videos.
Geoff 11:10
He’s like OG vine.
Georgie 11:11
Yeah.
Geoff 11:13
Anyways, I watched this video of these Kpop artists, they were entering the airport. And man, they were just being bombarded by all the paparazzi, right? And this is a video from behind the paparazzi. And watching it, I just felt uncomfortable. I was just like, wow, they’re being like, berated. They’re literally just walking to the airport.
Georgie 11:40
Yeah.
Geoff 11:41
And they can’t even they can’t even walk to the airport without this kind of attention.
Georgie 11:47
I’m not surprised, though.
Geoff 11:48
Yeah, I mean, that’s the thing, right? You’re not surprised. So, and neither am I. But like, I don’t think I’ve watched very many of these videos with like, following following celebrities around and stuff like that. It’s kind of strange to me. But having watched that, I was then thinking like, what if none of this existed? What if none of that paparazzi existed? And they’d have like a more like, I don’t know, like a quieter life. And then, and then I thought, it’s kind of strange that people envy the fact that like, the like, celebrity, ish, ish kind of envy fame. Like, why would you want to put yourself in that position where you just get zero pri—like privacy? And all everyone wants to talk about is that character you once played? And you have to say the same same lines over and over again, right?
Georgie 12:43
I believe people want—
Geoff 12:44
Yeah, people love the attention.
Georgie 12:46
That’s why they want the fame. But then I think to what you were saying, like, you just have to look at, like smaller bands, or smaller, lesser known, famous people and see, like, you know, they get noticed, but they don’t get followed.
Geoff 13:01
Yeah, in any case. So I was watching the video. And then I was like, okay, so what if in a world, celebrities didn’t have this paparazzi following, and no one made a really big deal about celebrities, or, like actors and actresses, and musicians and stuff. But then I realised, like, then why would you do it right? There, there’s probably zero money in it. Because all the advertisers are there for your for your eyes. And you probably wouldn’t get any money from being an artist, and therefore you wouldn’t be able to do it, then you’d have zero artistry?
Georgie 13:38
Well, I think it depends, like the way cuz I look at it from a music perspective, rather than from actors. And so I know, I know they’re very different. So it’s hard to compare.
Geoff 13:47
But yeah, they get the same kind of heat. Most of the time.
Georgie 13:50
Yeah. But musicians often write music, because, because they like it, and they want to send a message out. But they might just want to, you know, touch a few people’s hearts, and they care about about that. So they might still do it because they genuinely enjoy what they’re doing, rather than money. I don’t know about like independent actors and actresses, but I feel like—
Geoff 14:12
They’re in theatre. I think most of the independent ones go into theatre, and they just love theatre because of that. Like they don’t have some kind of mega corp. I know that people don’t like Kpop because of exactly what you said.
Georgie 14:25
It’s manufactured.
Geoff 14:25
Kpop is just a machine. It’s all manufactured. They don’t most of them don’t write their own songs, and they all sound the same. And that is the souless society we live in with pop right? It’s the same four chords for the past, I don’t know, three decades.
Georgie 14:41
Yeah.
Geoff 14:42
But, but yeah, people people still find some kind of enjoyment, which is good, I guess. But then they find out, like, oh my god, like they they don’t really like the, they’re just doing it for the money and the fame.
Georgie 15:00
But then are you surprised as a consumer? I feel like a lot of people find out and they’re really inherently not surprised.
Geoff 15:08
Yeah.
Georgie 15:08
Like you knew this.
Geoff 15:09
I don’t know how, what the ratio is anymore.
Georgie 15:11
You knew this, you know, you... Yeah.
Geoff 15:14
And I think like the, then it comes to like, I think present day where people are more interested or trying to look for that again, like, look look for the the genuine stuff.
Georgie 15:30
Yeah, I actually think that’s happening again these days. I see, I see a lot of artists just, you know, sharing their stuff on social media and—
Geoff 15:40
Being more independent.
Georgie 15:41
Yes. Not so much about fame. I’m not sure if maybe it’s, maybe it’s slowly dying down. But no one really wants to do this stuff to be famous. So.
Geoff 15:51
Yeah, some people are just famous by accident anyway. So really, it makes no difference.
Georgie 15:56
Yeah.
Geoff 15:57
Like, you could do one TikTok one day and a TikTok the next day and all of a sudden you’re quote unquote famous, like internet famous and then you get hate from the traditional famous people. Like—
Georgie 16:09
What even is—
Geoff 16:10
They worked hard.
Georgie 16:13
Traditional famous?
Geoff 16:14
Traditional—exactly like what Paris Hilton was like the very first it girl, that like she was just famous for being famous and then like, like, that’s it right? It’s just you just need to be famous for being famous these days. And yeah, not very much else.
Georgie 16:31
But then I think there’s a difference, and I don’t know if we spoke about this before, there’s a difference between fame and actual like popularity like people like you and stuff.
Geoff 16:41
Ah true.
Georgie 16:41
What you do. So like fame is yeah, totally like Paris Hilton. Who else, like?
Geoff 16:49
Uh...
Georgie 16:49
Who’s someone who has done nothing?
Geoff 16:50
The Kardashians?
Georgie 16:51
Yeah, there you go, right, fame—
Geoff 16:52
They didn’t do nothing but they did something with their fame so—
Georgie 16:56
And their money?
Geoff 16:56
...they’re something Oh, is, is Kylie Jenner actually like—
Georgie 17:04
Self made?
Geoff 17:04
Self made?
Georgie 17:09
Fuck off, fuck off.
Geoff 17:09
Look, I mean, she could have wasted her money but she didn’t. Look, her family greased the wheels but she did make something. Is she self made? I don’t even wanna say self.
Georgie 17:20
No. So a funny story. Nick’s sister pointed out one time that she was selling like a self made, what is it millionaire, billionaire? And—
Geoff 17:29
Really? Nick’s sister is a self made millionaire?
Georgie 17:31
No, as in she pointed out that Kylie, was it Kylie?
Geoff 17:34
Oh Kylie, I think it’s Kylie.
Georgie 17:34
Kylie Jenner, had, that he dropped the biggest diss, he said she is not self made. He said she was born into a family that had money. They had enough money for her to, you know, do so and so, and then Nick’s sister said, oh, but like she started her own like makeup brand or whatever. Which if you did that from scratch sounds very cool. Right? Like I mean, it’s like you probably—
Geoff 17:57
It’s very difficult, it’s ridiculously difficult.
Georgie 18:00
Yeah, you start from scratch. That is a lot of work. And I totally respect that if you really did do that. But Nick said, nah, I bet she just walked up to someone, dropped her money, and she said, I just want to start like a makeup brand. She, all she did was pick the colours. Nick’s sister was just like, neutral face, silent.
Geoff 18:21
She—is Nick this outspoken? Like normally? Is that a surprise?
Georgie 18:26
He can. Yeah, he can be especially with stuff like that, like pop culture sort of like—
Geoff 18:32
Yeah, yeah. All right, but but like let’s let’s, boil it down.
Georgie 18:37
Okay, okay. All right.
Geoff 18:38
Who are the selfmade? Let’s let’s go through this—
Georgie 18:42
Oh no, but you can’t, you can}t look this up on the internet cuz you’re not going to find very you know—
Geoff 18:46
You know they’re not very self made millionaires, I guess. But like how self made is do you expect someone to be self made? Like, no one starts at zero. But I guess not everyone starts at 1000. Like, like Kylie starts at 1000. People usually start at 100, 10, 50.
Georgie 19:04
Yeah.
Geoff 19:04
Or she starts at really a million I guess. But yeah, I mean, it’s hard to say like how low does someone have to be to be called self made? Sure. She probably, probably in all sense of the word self made you can’t really attribute it to Kylie Jenner given the circumstances. But yeah, I mean, like it’s a it’s a really fine line.
Georgie 19:30
It’s a weird description now that I think about it. Like what does it mean? You got like no help at all whatsoever?
Geoff 19:37
Like yeah, yeah, you make a deal with somebody you like, “Hey, I’ve got this business idea. Can I get a loan for for it?” The bank says yes. And you’re like, boom, right? You’ve got a loan and you’re now making you’re making your business. You got help, the bank could have said no.
Georgie 19:51
Okay, so if you, what about something that you don’t get a loan for? Like maybe you just started doing something? And then—
Geoff 19:58
Yeah.
Georgie 19:59
Let’s say you start making jewellery for example.
Geoff 20:02
True.
Georgie 20:02
And you source the materials yourself with your own money, and then it got really popular and what you’ve got more customers, maybe, maybe you got an influencer or someone to speak about it, about your products. And then, the word spread, but then you would have to communicate with a supplier and and like upscale. Right.
Geoff 20:21
Yeah, I’d say that the the, for jewellery is pretty contentious. Like I couldn’t I think depending on what country you start in.
Georgie 20:30
Ah yeah, you could have some, yeah, yeah.
Geoff 20:33
If you’re in the middle of Uganda, like you’re going to, you can’t make much jewellery, I assume. But, yeah, I think, and if you yourself are like, oh, I’m not in a, I’m not in a good position to do the thing I want but you make steps to, to figure out, you move to a new country, you’re like, okay, there’s more more connections here and stuff like that?
Georgie 20:53
Oh. Have you heard—
Geoff 20:55
Your family, your parents pay for your life.
Georgie 20:59
But that’s getting extremely technical.
Geoff 21:01
Can’t, can’t get zero. But I agree that there’s probably a threshold at which you are probably not considered, quote, unquote, self made.
Georgie 21:11
I think the issue is in the description. So the thing I was gonna ask is if you’ve heard that story about the guy who traded the big paperclip for a house.
Geoff 21:18
No, what the hell?
Georgie 21:22
When you put it that way, it’s out you’re like, what? You literally think he got a big and he traded it for a house. That’s not exactly how it went. He found this big paperclip and decided to conduct trades around the world, multiple trades, and trade each item that he obtained for a different item.
Geoff 21:41
This is what I did with Pokemon cards back in the day.
Georgie 21:44
But anyway, to cut the story short, because like I’m sure like, you just want to know how the fuck this happened. He’s traded like, you know, paperclip for like some other small items. And then I think he’s got a holiday. That was like a rather large thing that he traded the item that he got for and then wanted to trade that again, I think he traded the holiday for some other VIP, like experience or something. It was something that would have meant a lot somebody but clearly it clearly didn’t mean a lot to this guy. And so the trade, he was able to then trade that for a house, like a prop, like a full house. And yeah, it makes sense but just on a technicality. describing that as “man who traded a large paperclip for a house” just doesn’t—
Geoff 22:27
A great headline.
Georgie 22:29
Clickbait.
Geoff 22:30
It’s a great headline.
Georgie 22:30
It was like clickbait before clickbait was a thing because I think this happened in like the early 2000s, maybe.
Geoff 22:36
So, you know, creative phrasing. Yeah, I used to do that with Pokemon cards. I got like some of the really like common ones, I guess. And then I well, people gave me their other common ones because they were just common. And then I started up trading common ones for a little bit more—
Georgie 22:58
That’s not bad. Like knowing that when you’re young I think, is good. Did you get Arcanine?
Geoff 23:04
I never got any shinys, I think I just amassed a really large collection at the end of the day, just from like not spending a cent on Pokemon cards. I ended up with two or 300 Pokemon cards. Multi trading. I’m not quite sure where the collection is or what the level because I don’t think I ever got any shinies.
Georgie 23:25
Mine’s long gone.
Geoff 23:26
Yeah, it’s, I have no idea where it is.
Georgie 23:29
But you know, the Pokemon movie came out and they gave everyone a free shiny Mew.
Geoff 23:35
Oh, that’s cool. Oh—
Georgie 23:37
Mew or Mewtwo?
Geoff 23:38
Mew probably.
Georgie 23:39
Mew, Mew, yeah.
Geoff 23:40
Screw Mewtwo.
Georgie 23:40
Yeah. And it’s just it was funny because like, you’d go to the cinema and you’d get, everybody bloody had it. So it wasn’t really rare. Commercial—
Geoff 23:49
But I mean, like that’s like, that’s like, what, like whoever how many people went to the cinema but not everyone did. So after a few years, I’m sure like, you could say that 100 thousand in 100 million cards, 100 million cards but only 100, 10% of them, are shiny Mews, still kind of rare.
Georgie 24:07
Yeah.
Geoff 24:09
Right. We’re gonna rewind back to I think I had a point somewhere in the in the, before we got off the self made millionaires, Kylie Jenner.
Georgie 24:19
Fame and popularity?
Geoff 24:21
Fame. Right? Yeah. Would anyone do it? Would actors exist? If there were no fame structures? Probably like I said, theatre.
Georgie 24:34
If you—
Geoff 24:34
Maybe the entertainment.
Georgie 24:36
If you think about like genuine, famous people who they say I really love what I do. And that kind of thing. If you think about you yourself, what do you love doing that you’re not fucking famous for but you’re cool with, they probably, the famous people would probably just end up being like that they’d be still doing the thing that they enjoy but not—
Geoff 24:56
But not as a full time job, because you don’t get paid for it?
Georgie 25:01
But then—
Geoff 25:01
Because they won’t get paid for it is—
Georgie 25:03
Do they want money? Or do they want fame? You know?
Geoff 25:06
Well, money requires you to—no, money, money helps you continue to do the thing that you’d like to do, because you need to live. And—
Georgie 25:17
But what if—this going deep. What if money was no object? People would be doing whatever they wanted. Right? It makes me think of retirement, right. Like, if I retired, I feel like I’d still want to do something, even if it’s not like getting—
Geoff 25:31
Yeah, 100%. I think retirement is, is more of a more of the, I don’t have to worry about what is in my paycheck anymore. Like, I can do part time something and part time something else. Or I can I don’t know, if I really wanted to go into a startup at the age of like 50.
Georgie 25:56
Aren’t people retiring like later these days?
Geoff 25:59
I mean, I’ve got a calculator that tells me otherwise.
Georgie 26:03
Oh.
Geoff 26:04
So, the if, if it’s possible to retire a little earlier, would I be able to join a startup? Would I have the energy for one? Probably not. Like, hey, money’s no object, so I’ll just go join a startup where they could like collapse at any time.
Georgie 26:23
Yeah.
Geoff 26:23
But yeah, I’m pretty sure I was watching something else about oh man, I can’t think of it. Oh, crap. Moving on. So yeah, like, back to the gatekeeping, I know they have anti fandoms.
Georgie 26:40
Oh.
Geoff 26:41
Yes.
Georgie 26:41
Explain like exactly?
Geoff 26:43
Yeah I have no idea anything about anti fandom.
Georgie 26:46
Is ite hate, hatedom?
Geoff 26:48
Hatedoms?
Georgie 26:49
Hatedom.
Geoff 26:49
Yeah. There’s so they like most of the KPop bands. They have like fan, they have fan group names like Black Pink. They’re called Blinks.
Georgie 26:59
Oh, yeah, right. Okay.
Geoff 27:00
Yeah.
Georgie 27:01
Swifties for Taylor Swift.
Geoff 27:02
Swifties for Taylor Swift. Yeah, yeah. So there’s a band called Itzy, there’s like I, T, Z, Y.
Georgie 27:11
Yeah.
Geoff 27:13
So their fan group is, what do you reckon?
Georgie 27:18
Itzies?
Geoff 27:18
Itzies? No, unfortunately—
Georgie 27:20
Bitzies?
Geoff 27:20
They’re Mitzies.
Georgie 27:22
What? Okay.
Geoff 27:22
I thought Bitzies was great. Itzy Bitzy right? And their, theier anti fandom or anti dom—
Georgie 27:30
Shitzies!
Geoff 27:32
Yes, it is Shitzies. (laughs)
Georgie 27:35
Way good. Oh wow. Yeah. Love it.
Geoff 27:39
Yeah. So like, there’s a band called Twice. Their anti fandom is Thrice.
Georgie 27:46
Why though?
Geoff 27:47
I have no idea. Like thrash thrice. Trash? Twice. I don’t know.
Georgie 27:53
That’s not as good as Shitzies.
Geoff 27:55
Yeah, Shitzies is is quite good. It’s quite good. But yeah, there’s like oh man, fan, fandoms—
Georgie 28:02
I just had an idea, if we have a fandom, there’ll be like Toasters. We have—
Geoff 28:06
Toasters.
Georgie 28:07
If we have a hatedom it’ll be Roasters.
Geoff 28:08
Oh man, toasters, toasters—
Georgie 28:13
But then roasters could be like a coffee roaster.
Geoff 28:16
Yeah, exactly. We don’t want to we don’t want to berate the—
Georgie 28:21
Coffee.
Geoff 28:22
Barista.
Georgie 28:22
Yeah.
Geoff 28:25
The oh, I saw a toaster, so in Japan.
Georgie 28:27
(laughs) All right.
Geoff 28:30
This is a completely different topic. But in Japan there is a toaster cafe or rather a bread cafe. I guess you’d call it? And you get to pick your own toaster.
Georgie 28:40
That to put the bread in?
Geoff 28:42
Yeah, yeah. So you sit down—
Georgie 28:43
Different result?
Geoff 28:44
You order a slice of bread. Yeah. I don’t know how you can pick a toaster because I think it’s like there’s no way to tell if there’s a good or a bad toaster. I feel like there’s no way. The person doing the YouTube video got one with a glass window on it. And—
Georgie 29:03
Is it just for aesthetics, like you want to video record your meal being made or something?
Geoff 29:08
I don’t know. But like, the window is obviously very inefficient, because you lose a lot of heat through glass. So I wouldn’t pick that toaster, that would be, that would be a bad toaster, but it’s really cool to watch your toast I guess. Be toasted through a glass window.
Georgie 29:26
Isn’t that like watching paint dry?
Geoff 29:28
Yeah, maybe.
Georgie 29:30
Watching bread toast!
Geoff 29:33
Watching grass grow.
Georgie 29:34
Oh shit.
Geoff 29:37
But yeah, the menu is literally like there’s like different types of bread and then they recommend that you toast some of these breads and recommend not toasting like the Japanese like very milk—
Georgie 29:46
Yeah.
Geoff 29:47
Bread fluffy thing. So it’s kind of—
Georgie 29:49
Just sear it, like aburi.
Geoff 29:53
Well, I got a loaf of of the like the very Asian like kind of sugary bread in a very big thick slice and I’ve been putting it in like a sandwich press and toasted it up that way. It’s pretty good. But yeah, I thought it was very—
Georgie 30:11
Niche.
Geoff 30:12
Very Yeah. Very niche. But not at all surprising for Japan I guess. But yeah. The idea of toast. Nah, jokes. Back to self made millionaires, I wonder what is the list actually, let’s have a look.
Georgie 30:37
Gonna disagree with all of it vehemently. Vehemently.
Geoff 30:43
Num—wait, wait, there are eight money secrets they know that most of us don’t. Okay.
Georgie 30:50
Wow, that’s that’s a big claim.
Geoff 30:52
The Barefoot Investor.
Georgie 30:53
Fuck off. (laughs)
Geoff 30:56
The Barefoot Investor. “They don’t diversify their investments the right way”. “They know that debt is for businesses, not people”.
Georgie 31:06
That’s fair.
Geoff 31:06
Home ownership is, home ownership isn’t always the first step, their first investment.
Georgie 31:11
I knew that well, yeah.
Geoff 31:15
Instead, cash flow real estate is the place to protect and grow money. The flip side, cash flow real estate.
Georgie 31:23
Wait, but then you still have to get a property right?
Geoff 31:27
Yeah. Well, I mean, it’s still a factor that that maybe people don’t know? I don’t even understand what this fact is. You can make passive income off ownership of properties and it’s often easier to sell them than a primary residence. I think they have a—oh, commercial real estate.
Georgie 31:42
Oh, like you buy like a shopfront or something and then you rent it out.
Geoff 31:45
Yeah, and you rent it out.
Georgie 31:47
Fine.
Geoff 31:49
They always buy in bulk—
Georgie 31:50
Alright I have a story about, I have a story about this buying in bulk thing. Coming, coming from an Asian background, my parents were pretty frugal, and sometimes they would buy stuff in bulk because it was cheaper, like 48 pack toilet rolls, whatever. And Asians in general, I think are known to be pretty frugal, and we all know like the tips and tricks of doing this and like, you know, you know your soap, like watering down your soap and shampoo.
Geoff 32:19
(laughs) Watering down your soap is, yeah...
Georgie 32:22
I may have told this story before but, on the podcast, or probably I talked to you about it. But sometime in like the mid 2000s, mid to mid to late 2010s, 2000, 2010. Sorry, wait, that doesn’t make sense. Mid to late 2000s. As in, like, 2005, 2009 some story came out on A Current Affair. Now, A Current Affair is like, a show where kinda like 60 Minutes but a little bit more shit, like less serious? Kind of, yeah, less, less about the world and more about like, fucking local, like, what do you what do you call them? Like, not mind blowing? What’s the word? Dramatic? Not dramatic.
Geoff 33:04
B—
Georgie 33:04
Breaking stories.
Geoff 33:08
Local—yeah.
Georgie 33:08
And there was a family on there who was sharing how they saved money on their groceries and their things. And the one thing that really shit me, was they gave the watering down the soap tip. And they said, when you buy like a soap, like the liquid soap in the dispenser, put a little bit in a separate like bottle and just fill it up with the rest of the water. And they’re like, you can get so much more out of this, you know, cheap bottle of soap kind of thing. Like, and if you buy it from like, the Reject Shop, or like, you know, a $2 store. It’ll save you so and so money. And I saw that and I was so pissed off because I was like, fuck you. You’re white. Asian people have been doing this since the dawn of time. And here you are on A Current Affair if I can tell people about it. It made me mad.
Geoff 34:02
Yeah, yeah. I mean, to be honest, I can’t buy in bulk because I don’t have the space.
Georgie 34:08
Yeah, I have that problem now too, like I because I live in a small apartment.
Geoff 34:12
Yeah. But I mean, I only I only dilute my soap when it gets to the end so that I can get more soap out.
Georgie 34:22
I mean, clean it out, like more easily.
Geoff 34:25
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was I was buying in bulk. Is this really something not many people know? It because like, I think these days, like we were grocery shopping the other day. And you look at the, not even not even Costco or anything, you look at you go to the labels. And they tell you how much per 100 grams.
Georgie 34:46
Yes, yes.
Geoff 34:47
Right. This thing is $5 per 100 grams and that thing is $2.50 per 100 grams because so obviously, the one that you’re looking at is $5 per 100 grams is a smaller amount than the one that’s bigger. So I think like, in general, I think people probably on some level, understand that buying more gets it is cheaper—
Georgie 35:07
Per unit of measurement.
Geoff 35:09
Per unit of measurement at a micro level, but like, don’t think of it as a macro where like, oh, like this idea that bulk gets you is cheaper, they probably just look, hey, buy a kilo of this thing. And it worked out cheaper. And then they don’t think about like, what if I buy, I dunno, a million packs of chips? And all of a sudden, like, “Yes! 0.01 cents”
Georgie 35:35
It depends on the item as well. Like, I remember briefly buying a lot of things with my parents from Costco. And I ended up like, and I felt guilty about this, wasting a lot of food, because I’d buy it, but then it would go bad. Like I’d buy it because it was cheaper. But then I’m like, yo, I’m not eating like fish every day. You know, like.
Geoff 35:56
Yeah, that’s also my problem is that can’t finish any, everything. So even if you buy bulk, and I bought bulk potatoes before and they just die, like there’s no way unless you’re feeding a family of four, that that bulk buying is kind of wasting you more money than then you’re saving sometimes. Checking our privilege. But yeah, the art just quickly, we’ve got just enough time for this. I just remembered what it was that I was going to mention. So you were saying that Kylie Jenner, like was probably for her makeup brand, or was it Nick or something?
Georgie 36:34
Nick said, just picking the colours.
Geoff 36:35
Yeah, she’s probably just picking the colours. And I just watched this video on ghost kitchens.
Georgie 36:42
Oh!
Geoff 36:42
And it pretty much is that.
Georgie 36:43
Right. Okay. Yeah, I because I the first time I knew of a ghost kitchen was only recently, I was like, like, you just go up there and you pick up your food. There’s no actual like—
Geoff 36:53
Yeah, it’s no restaurant, it’s nothing. But it’s gotten really bad. And I think this is this obviously is a video made in America. So the, take it with a bag of salt. But essentially, this person went through Uber Eats and found 44 stores all with the same address—
Georgie 37:13
Fuck!
Geoff 37:13
All serving everything from like, from pizzas to pies to burgers to dumplings, right. And my god, it it’s to the point where they actually share the same items. So you go to this place, which is an Italian restaurant, or whatever, Italian restaurants in quotes. And then there’s an American place. And maybe maybe there’s a—he found a fish burger. And this fish burger was like all over the different restaurants, it was the same one. He ordered nine of them from different places. They’re all exactly the same burger.
Georgie 37:50
But why are they different places, is it they’re associated with different businesses?
Geoff 37:55
I think it’s either that—it’s either like they have some brand, like some some deal with I think in this video, Cibos, or whatever it’s called is a brand—
Georgie 38:04
What’s the benefit?
Geoff 38:05
...that’s partnered with them. The other thing was that yeah, I’m like, I was just thinking that too. I’m like, well, if the food tastes good, what’s the problem? Like, why are you making a video about this? But essentially, the idea is that small, actually the the real restaurants are being like my like, become minority, they’re just being pushed out of search results. And that’s it.
Georgie 38:27
Right. So...
Geoff 38:28
Yeah. So it’s another way the wealthy are just like crushing the small person. And the other thing that they were saying was, oh, there is a big, massive company where they worked. They basically work exclusively with celebrities. And Mr. Beast, being one of them, who wanted to make burgers, contacted this company, and they just said, “Cool. We’ll make burgers. You just slap your name on it, out it goes”.
Georgie 39:01
And so he gets money from like, he’s just made his own business, just like, just like that.
Geoff 39:06
Exactly. It’s sort of you go up to them and you pick the colours of—
Georgie 39:09
Like, oh, fuck.
Geoff 39:10
...your makeup and then they just mass produce it.
Georgie 39:13
Fuck... Yeah, it’s like franchising kind of in a different way because you already have fame and shit.
Geoff 39:19
Exactly. Yeah.
Georgie 39:20
Or money.
Geoff 39:22
And it’s the same burgers as they’re probably selling in a different store. In the other hundreds of burger stores. The same thing.
Georgie 39:30
This is actually becoming a problem I think online with like small businesses. Like I watched this Reel by someone who said—he was joking like that, like hypothetically he might have a friend, and it, people are like “Why don’t you support your friend’s small business?” And he was like, I don’t want to support my friend small business because they’re selling leggings that you know, they’ve just re-sold on whatever and it’s just branded as their own thing. And yeah, I don’t support that. It’s bad for the enviro, you know, they’re not actually you know, they’re just reselling and stuff like drop shipping—
Geoff 40:01
Oh dropshipping.
Georgie 40:03
Ugh.
Geoff 40:04
Yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 40:05
It’s hard to like tell these days as well. So I’m always like, looking at reviews of like products and going alright, is this company legit? Like they go oh, we’re like, what do you call it? It from Australia. But I’m like, did you just like partner up with someone? Somewhere in China that also just makes the same shit for other people who are also just like, I’ll give you enough money, put my brand on this thing and I can resell it like ugh.
Geoff 40:26
Yeah. I mean, Ugg, I think.
Georgie 40:29
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 40:30
A bit of a blurry line where we have two Ugg stores, if you’re in America, you’ve got Ugg, there’s Ugg America and there’s Ugg Australia. And there’s a huge shit fight. When Ugg, Ugg America came over to Ugg Australia. But that’s not a, that’s not a story for this episode. I guess like the the, I think kind of like all that kind of ties back into that idea where like, things that are mass produced are now kind of reaching that peak, right? Where everyone’s just like, man, I really don’t like how all this mass produced stuff is, and they’re trying to find like, more authentic stuff, like the restaurants, right? You want to you want to buy something from a local restaurant, you don’t want to buy something from some faceless conglomerate. But hey, to me, if it’s good, it’s good. And I don’t give a shit. And that’s what we’re gonna leave you.
Georgie 41:22
Hilarious.
Geoff 41:24
So, you can follow us on @toastroastpod on Twitter—although... oh no, we’ll get into next time.
Georgie 41:31
Woah, we’re just cutting off. All right. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts and the big self made podcast that this is even though we don’t get any money from it.
Geoff 41:47
Yeah.
Georgie 41:48
It’s just self made, every—yeah, just self made, not self made anything.
Geoff 41:55
And new episodes every Monday, so—
Georgie 41:58
See you next week.
Geoff 41:59
See you next week. Bye.