Old school YouTube channels turning into mega corporations with boring videos, the cost of unique holiday experiences, and glorified simplicities. Get your toast and let’s get roasting.
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Old school YouTube channels turning into mega corporations with boring videos, the cost of unique holiday experiences, and glorified simplicities.
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Georgie 0:07
Hey everybody, welcome back to a another episode of Toast and Roast. I am your co host, Georgie and I’m here with Geoff. I think Geoff forgot—
Geoff 0:16
Oh shit, I forgot to introduce us last time. It’s been a while. I forgot, um I went on holiday, you know, holiday brain.
Georgie 0:27
No one knows that, you could just... anyway.
Geoff 0:31
It’s live, it’s live.
Georgie 0:33
It’s live, though just for one episode, people will be like, not know our names. And if it happens to be the first episode that somebody listens to, well, just like, too bad.
Geoff 0:43
You know, it’s like a cliffhanger. You know? We don’t have to be full on YouTubers. Like, “what’s up everybody, like, don’t forget to subscribe and follow and like my fucking videos all the time”. Oh, my God, they do that every...
Georgie 0:55
They, at the same time we are, we are kind of doing that. But it’s just oh my god, I’m so ashamed now. So I think the the thing that really grinds my gears about the YouTubers doing their little spiel is like, it never used to be like that. Right?
Geoff 1:13
Yeah true.
Georgie 1:13
We didn’t always have the—I think there’s three things now. Like and Subscribe. Yeah, actually, that’s two things.
Geoff 1:20
“Hit the like button.”
Georgie 1:20
What’s the other one, hit the like button. Yeah. And then there’s a follow up don’t even know there’s they’ve got a whole thing.
Geoff 1:27
Oh, it’s the notification bell.
Georgie 1:28
Yes!
Geoff 1:29
Yes, so subscribe, like for the YouTube algorithm and hit the notification bell. Because for some reason, if you subscribe to something on YouTube, you don’t want notifications for it. That’s insane.
Georgie 1:43
Yeah, I mean, but in, in my opinion, like when you subscribe to something, I don’t think it necessarily means you want notifications. Like, can you imagine if I don’t know, let’s say you had a mag—like an old school magazine subscription. It’s like at the same time it gets delivered to your mailbox they just ring the bell on your door every time. Maybe that’s, that’s that’s what they’re trying to, trying to go. But some YouTubers are a little more subtle about it. Like, they’ll just have a little icon on the screen that has a hand and the subscribe button, right? They never say it.
Geoff 2:20
I’ve seen that.
Georgie 2:20
Some, some of them do that. I’m like, cool. You’re cool. Like no shade on, you know, people who say that, but it’s just it’s repetitive.
Geoff 2:29
It’s hustle.
Georgie 2:29
And sometimes I sometimes I feel like they spend a whole and honestly, 10 seconds over the course of many videos does get quite, you know?
Geoff 2:40
Yeah.
Georgie 2:41
When they do a whole thing at the end, that same thing. And it’s like, but we get it though. And you know, you don’t have to remind us to do that. Because if we wanted to subscribe, we would. It feels very clinical, forceful, and yeah.
Geoff 2:57
We, we’ve come by, I believe like, we’ve had YouTube long enough to know what to do to sign up or to subscribe. Like, it’s not this unknown thing anymore. It’s not, not brand new. We’re not getting, like an influx of people that haven’t used YouTube before. I’m pretty sure, like, a good portion of the internet’s users know how to use YouTube. But it just reminds me of that video from ProZD. who’s like, YouTube is so helpful. And he just makes a mockery of it. It’s it’s pretty funny. Oh, he’s even got the anti YouTube one.
Georgie 3:45
I don’t think I’ve seen that one. Yeah. Anyway, that’s me. So there’s also the fact that YouTube has changed over time, like as a as a whole, like UI, right? Like the whole user interface has changed. And so when, when these YouTubers say the links in the description, and they point at the description, like, bitch, the description used to be on that side. And it makes me think, and I haven’t gone back to look, but it makes me think of older YouTubers who have videos from like, almost, what’s... like seven years ago?
Geoff 3:46
Yeah.
Georgie 4:19
Where the description was on this and now it’s not there. And it doesn’t it doesn’t age well, and it’s you’re pointing in the wrong direction. I just can’t help but think of that sometimes.
Geoff 4:29
Yeah, that’s true. It doesn’t, yeah. It definitely like, “links down in the doobly doo” was like a thing.
Georgie 4:36
Oh my God, vlogbrothers!
Geoff 4:37
Yeah vlogbrothers.
Georgie 4:39
This is like OG right.
Geoff 4:40
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 4:41
Sometimes I think about people who have clearly—and again, well, I’m saying no shade, but we’re Toast & Roast—literally only come across YouTube in like the past three, four years and they don’t know like, vlogbrothers and...
Geoff 5:01
Yeah, ProZD, nigahiga.
Georgie 5:04
Alex Day, yeah nigahiga.
Geoff 5:08
What’s her—Natalie Tran, communitychannel?
Georgie 5:10
Community channel?
Geoff 5:12
Yeah, she’s...
Georgie 5:15
Those were the days.
Geoff 5:16
She, she gets she still gets a bit of shade every now and then. People are like when’s your next video coming out? And other people are like, come on everyone, get over it, like, she’s not coming back. And...
Georgie 5:27
Yeah.
Geoff 5:28
Every time she tweets, that’s basically like the like the first few replies is like, when’s your next video coming out? But she’s clearly moved on.
Georgie 5:39
I think it’s just a troll now isn’t it.
Geoff 5:40
Maybe, maybe it’s a troll. She doing that, I think she’s, uh, she was on the news. She did like a clip for a news, a news cast...
Georgie 5:51
Like ABC?
Geoff 5:52
Something along those lines. But yeah, she I think she’s still in the media type...
Georgie 5:59
Industry.
Geoff 6:00
Industry. She... shit. But yeah, I don’t know what the vlogbrothers are doing these days.
Georgie 6:09
They still have videos. I can’t like I cannot believe that. Like I haven’t like kept up with them. But I think they still do every... is it... three, three, Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Geoff 6:22
No way.
Georgie 6:22
Like they’re still going, I reckon.
Geoff 6:25
Oh my god. Maybe I just stopped following them. Three days ago. “I’ve been playing a small check up of”... wow, this is impressive. To be honest. They’re still doing the vlog. Two thousand videos.
Georgie 6:42
Amazing. I completely like, hats off to them.
Geoff 6:46
Yeah. Yeah, very impressive. They have to come up with topics right, to talk about every...
Georgie 6:54
And we can’t even come up with topics on this goddamn podcast.
Geoff 6:57
We just turn the camera on. We, fucking, the recording, to talk about whatever comes to mind. Normally. And they’ve got this huge community, they even do like, they help people do merch and stuff like that. They’ve got a bunch of side hustles.
Georgie 7:11
Yeah. They’ve got a big community. Yeah. And then plus, obviously they have their own jobs on top of that.
Geoff 7:17
Yeah. I watch Philip DeFranco for my news. I don’t know if that’s good or bad. But he’s pretty...
Georgie 7:25
I don’t even know who that is.
Geoff 7:25
He’s pretty OG as well. But the thing is, I really signed...
Georgie 7:29
I remembered, um, Smosh? Did you ever watch Smosh?
Geoff 7:31
Oh Smosh? Yeah.
Georgie 7:32
Yeah they kind of changed a little bit though.
Geoff 7:35
They got bought. I think so.
Georgie 7:38
Oh.
Geoff 7:39
Smosh, the only thing I saw was that Pokemon? Smosh.
Georgie 7:43
Pokemon.
Geoff 7:43
Yeah like the Smosh Pokemon thing. They redid the video clip or something.
Georgie 7:50
They redid it.
Geoff 7:52
The original 2005 Pokemon theme song. Oh, they removed it?
Georgie 7:59
I wonder if it, what’s it, copyright?
Geoff 8:03
Maybe, maybe. But that was the very, very first like ten, ten years ago since their five year old video... fifteen years ago. They they you Wow. They put this Pokemon song on YouTube.
Georgie 8:18
Where they dubbed.
Geoff 8:19
Yeah, they dubbed. They, they were like mouth syncing to the—
Georgie 8:22
Lip syncing yeah.
Geoff 8:23
Lip syncing to the song and doing like a skit to the song. But it’s pretty crazy.
Georgie 8:30
So you said they got bought.
Geoff 8:32
I think Smosh got bought. Yeah. “Smosh... Bought”. Acquired by Rhett and Link’s Mythical Entertainment.
Georgie 8:43
Oh my god. That, Rhett and Link did Good Mythical Morning. What is it called?
Geoff 8:48
I’ve never heard of Rhett and Link.
Georgie 8:51
Really? They’re two guys who kind of, I don’t know if they do like, it’s like a podcast-style like videos, but they also have like, topics they discuss I think is very much... it’s like, if you like Smosh and vlogbrothers, I reckon it’s in the realm of stuff you’d like. Although it’s been a while since I... like clearly, because I don’t like, spend a lot of time on YouTube.
Geoff 9:08
Oh they’re the React Brothers. The...
Georgie 9:11
Are they?
Geoff 9:12
Aren’t they? Rhett Rhett and Link do the react...
Georgie 9:16
I don’t know. Actually. I just know them from Good Mythical Morning.
Geoff 9:21
They did the React series. Pretty sure. “Rhett and Link react to Kids... React to Rhett and Link”. Oh, no, they’re on the react channel. A lot. Not that they are the people behind React channel.
Georgie 9:37
But yeah, they have had, to have have had I’m not sure. Good Mythical Morning was what I knew them for. So it kind of makes sense that that Smosh got bought by them. I think they were kind of in the same, I don’t know what you call it, niche?
Geoff 9:49
Yeah.
Georgie 9:50
Kind of comedy thing? Yeah.
Geoff 9:52
But I mean, YouTube’s gotten really boring for me. I don’t know if it’s just because I don’t watch a variety of, for, a wide variety of things, but all I’ve got these days is like computer stuff, which of course, I follow games stuff. And what’s it... electric car stuff? And...
Georgie 10:15
So, in your recommendations, you get like the same things.
Geoff 10:20
Yeah.
Georgie 10:20
It’s just all like, nothing new and exciting.
Geoff 10:23
Yeah, I don’t get I don’t get anything. Really. Outside of those three things that I watch most. I started watching a few more music videos, I guess. But like, in general, it’s just yet the same shit over and over again, stocks. Maybe I’m just like, a boring YouTube, what, like, person? I don’t—
Georgie 10:51
Well, I feel like it’s gone down because everything’s a bit of a business these days, like, it is act—like the content that people produce is quite generic and repetitive. So I actually don’t use an account with YouTube, right? And this is why the “Subscribe, Like” shit bothers me. Because like, I don’t subscribe to anybody. I don’t use it with an account.
Geoff 11:19
Do you not want to support your creators?
Georgie 11:23
Oh my god Geoff, this is a different conversation.
Geoff 11:27
Was this not what you want to talk about?
Georgie 11:29
It not that that I don’t to talk about, but I’ll touch on it briefly. Not that I don’t want to support it, but then that’s why they have Patreon, Patreon. Whatever.
Geoff 11:37
Oh yeah, Patreon. OnlyFans.
Georgie 11:38
Yeah, I don’t use—You... haha. I don’t use YouTube with an account. So I end up just being in this logged out state that still sort of remembers things that I watch. And I remember, because this is just the way I also have—so full disclosure, I was once very much into YouTube subscriptions, and clearing out everything new that came up in my subscriptions. And this was, you know, back in, I think when YouTube started and like, shortly after it started in 2006. And you know, I subscribed to vlogbrothers, Smosh, and all of the big names and pretty much until 2010 or whatever, when I stopped using Google, and like, just canned my, canned my Google account, et cetera, et cetera. So what I do these days is I have a few people in mind on YouTube who I don’t mind watching, and just when I feel like watching some YouTube I’ll go in there and I search up all their stuff. And then that obviously still there’s still like a profile of me even though I don’t have an account there’s still a profile of me, and all the things I’ve watched, and so the suggestions I get are still somewhat relevant. But I just watch YouTube and some YouTubers when I feel like it. Most of what I watch these days is around like fashion and style, like women’s fashion style. I’ve watched some psych2go videos because they’re cute you know mental health accessible and things, and then obviously get recommended the, like, so you’re right now getting recommended that Andrew Garfield responds, like, I got recommended that and Nick did on his, like, account. So there’s there’s the big—
Geoff 13:18
This is logged out.
Georgie 13:19
...like, corporation. Oh, right.
Geoff 13:21
Yeah.
Georgie 13:22
So yeah, like people still, I think everybody gets those major videos that they want everyone to watch and to become...
Geoff 13:31
Too much, too many corporations own, are like, using the platform now.
Georgie 13:35
And then they got the news. And then got the goddamn news.
Geoff 13:38
Exactly. This is how I get my COVID News. Like I just, like there’s like a video recap of the, of the COVID announcements and then I watch a bit of it like.
Georgie 13:50
Yeah, don’t do that. You know what I noticed? Nick uses YouTube on, mostly on—actually, no he uses it on the computer and the iPad. But on the iPad app, that news section that gives you the updates I saw there was an update or something like that where, it made those thumbnails bigger for the news ones. Because we usually sometimes watch YouTube over dinner and yeah, so I was like wow, they really want you to click on that.
Geoff 14:17
Yeah.
Georgie 14:18
So anyway, when I, like, I do have some YouTubers that I enjoy watching, but I actually don’t like religiously watch the videos like I feel like I did in the past, when everything felt like it was worth watching. These days, I am definitely more selective and I’m noticing that more, quote unquote, content creators, kind of... it feels generic. Like, uh because I watch a lot of fashion and style—a lot of them will do the same thing like, it’s—so we’re in Australia, and it’s almost, or it’s summer. Basically—
Geoff 14:52
Ha, what is summer? It’s bloody torrential rainy,
Georgie 14:56
But we’re in the Southern Hemisphere and there’s a great amount of people In the Northern Hemisphere who are going into winter, and so a lot of things will be about what to wear this winter. You know, style tips for this winter. I even noticed an Australian style YouTuber doing one about like, fall, the other week and I was like, wait, but you’re in, you’re in Sydney, what the? Okay. And they all do this. All the style youtubers do pretty much the same thing and things start to feel less unique. And then—and I was talking to Monica about this—about how some YouTubers have their niche, which is great, which is fine, right? When you like that niche. Example minimalism, Matt D’Avella. (Cough)
Geoff 15:41
(Cough)
Georgie 15:43
But there’s this one girl who I’m not sure if I wanna name, but she does like, style videos. And she’s, she’s petite. She’s short like me, like I’m five foot two, which is 1.58 metres tall. And she’s like an inch shorter than me. And she does a lot of videos on what to wear to look taller. And all of this kind of stuff.
Geoff 16:06
Oh yeah, that’s interesting.
Georgie 16:08
Which initially was initially was interesting to me. But like, I did grow up being quite aware of these sort of illusions you can do, all sorts of clothes you can wear to appear taller, with the one colour...
Geoff 16:19
Oh have you heard of the shoes? With the wedge in them. And they look like sneakers.
Georgie 16:22
Yes.
Geoff 16:22
But the like elevate your heel.
Georgie 16:24
Yeah.
Geoff 16:24
Oh, I like, was explaining this to some co-workers. Yeah, was explaining this to some co-workers. Like what? Yeah, this is, it’s tricks. Anyway.
Georgie 16:35
You can wear them, Geoff.
Geoff 16:36
Exactly, I wanna look taller, wear them.
Georgie 16:40
So the thing is, like, over time, I’ve cared less and less about that, because I’ve just accepted the fact that I’m small, right? And the thing is, it’s just an illusion, right? It doesn’t matter. If I look taller, I’m gonna stand next to Nick who was like six fucking foot, I’m gonna look small. I’m gonna stand next to all my friends. Someone takes a picture. I’m gonna look small. What is the point looking tall? No shade on her. Right. But then I noticed that, that is really the focus of most of her videos, how to look taller, how to do like, clothes for petite women or whatever. And because I’ve educated myself on this kind of stuff, beyond her YouTube channel, her stuff is feeling quite repetitive. And I’m like, I did like her for all of the things that she—or other things that she discussed, like, you know how to look. Other style tips, right? But now, she seems very focused on this looking tall, and I’m like, fuck, like, I’m sorry. But like, I just, I’m not interested in the—
Geoff 17:38
Grown out of it.
Georgie 17:40
And if she has to do that to make money or whatever, fair enough right. She even did her own course she did like her own style course masterclass thing that she did herself separately from YouTube, obviously, to earn some cash. She’s totally allowed to do that. Unfortunately, a lot of her videos now, like, half the duration is her talking about and promoting the course.
Geoff 18:03
Oh no, oh no.
Georgie 18:05
And I’ve noticed a lot of other YouTubers... so it’s a little bit of a sad “see you later”.
Geoff 18:10
Yeah, this this, I think the thing is, um, you did, you did mention a bit of, like, corporate stuff. And I think budgets are getting too big. Like, you think that if the YouTuber was sponsored, they add they got lots of money, then they would be able to do better videos, right? Higher quality, more production value, and it’d be better. But like, I feel this is... it’s become too big, like, the budgets have been so becoming so big. And they’re sponsored by such big companies that they have to do certain, certain types of videos, right? Because—
Georgie 18:56
They’re very exclusive.
Geoff 18:57
...the audience or—yeah, and I think it’s all getting so polished and so produced that you you’ve lost, you’ve lost original YouTube, where it’s like, you end up getting more of the same. Because—
Georgie 19:14
Yes.
Geoff 19:14
All of them have such big budgets, and they all want to, you know, start mimicking movies and making—
Georgie 19:22
Cinematography.
Geoff 19:23
Cinematography and stuff like that. You lose the niches because like when you get to, I don’t know, like, Mr. Beast recreated Squid Games in real life, and it cost him three and a half million dollars to build all the sets and he gave away every everybody who will who even participated got $2,000. The second place got $10 million.
Georgie 19:49
What.
Geoff 19:49
And he gave away $456,000 to the winner. Right? And the I guess, yeah, a lot of the other stuff are getting so polished and produced that it becomes all bland and all basically, same, same same kind of stuff. And...
Georgie 20:06
That also reduces the barrier for entry. Like, some people want to actually genuinely put out content on YouTube. And it’s like, it’s so difficult now because the bar is so goddamn high.
Geoff 20:18
And we’re all crowded by all of the, like, actual other companies like GQ. And you know, the TV.
Georgie 20:29
Yeah, the basically like production channel, like.
Geoff 20:33
Yeah, I mean, so yeah, it’s probably just become more same same high production, Mr. Beast actually kind of gets a little bit boring after a while. Because all these all you see is just lots of people doing some weird challenge, and everyone getting money. Then I watch a bit of architecture videos as well. But most of them end up becoming like $335 million houses. Ooh, look at these big ass houses, that cost so much money. And I’m like, this is just really boring. I don’t give a shit about how big mansions and how rich people live. Like, none of that’s applicable to like if I built a house. So I ended up watching stuff like tiny house. Which—
Georgie 21:23
Oh my god yeah yeah.
Geoff 21:24
Right, which we stayed in one in our holiday. I forgot to mention last episode, we got to stay in a tiny house. It was really interesting. I don’t think I could actually live in one.
Georgie 21:36
Yeah?
Geoff 21:37
Because like in this tiny house, I mean, let me bring it up. Airbnb. Wollongong. I can’t spell and Wollongong... tiny house. But essentially, you enter and you have to go up some stairs to to the bed. Oh, here it is. Right. Here’s some photos.
Georgie 22:02
So wait before you continue. I actually like.
Geoff 22:04
Back to YouTube yeah.
Georgie 22:06
But the thing I like about the tiny houses is like, I’ve always been fascinated by you know, there’s this thing that I feel like is a 90s thing. But I think people still do. Is you have a bunk bed and you’ve got the desk, but you sleep on top. And like ever since I was a kid. I was like, I really liked that. And my mum was like, you don’t need that. She’s like, that’s for people who don’t have space. And then you know, I became a minimalist, blah, blah, blah. And I really liked the the whole space saving smart aspect of how you put these little tiny homes together.
Geoff 22:37
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 22:38
So like, I know, it’s not for everyone, but that’s what really fascinates me about it. I don’t know if I would be totally into it. Right? Like I’m, I know I personally don’t need a lot of space. That same time. I like space, but doesn’t have to be in my house either. Like, but yeah.
Geoff 22:55
But yeah, I totally agree. I, I’m fascinated by their space saving stuff. But essentially, we went to this tiny house and... oh god the whole thing just crashed. Really, you’re not going to show me any photos. Wow. Oh, it’s just very slow. I don’t understand Airbnb. Anyways, so you kind of come in and there’s stairs here on the on the right hand on the left hand side where you come in. The problem with that is that you actually have to climb the stairs to get to the bed. And if you forget something, you’re screwed, you usually just climb down the stairs again.
Georgie 23:37
Oh yeah. That’s just a fact of life in a tiny house.
Geoff 23:41
No way I can’t handle that. Um, and it’s like really low. So you’re basically crawling to the end of the bed and then like so. shimmying down, sitting down like turning and shimmying and then like half hunched over whilst you’re going down the stairs and then you get to the bottom.
Georgie 24:00
But you’re not that much taller, I think we’re like almost the same height or whatever.
Geoff 24:03
Yeah.
Georgie 24:04
You had trouble.
Geoff 24:05
Exactly.
Georgie 24:05
So like a lot of the time when Nick and I look...
Geoff 24:09
I can’t do it.
Georgie 24:10
Yeah, yeah, you’re like two centimetres taller than me. When we look for Airbnbs, we always have to kind of look at the bed. And Nick’s always like, the ceiling is too low. Like, I can’t believe I have to think about this, because he’s like six foot tall.
Geoff 24:24
Yeah, um, and if you get up from this bed, like, here, if you get up.
Georgie 24:32
You might hit your head.
Geoff 24:34
If you’re not in the dead centre... I, like I get scared. Like I get scared getting up from this bed. Um, so yeah, I don’t know. I like the fact that they have like a chopping board that covers the sink and that’s kind of cool because that like the sink isn’t really that necessary all the time.
Georgie 24:52
Clever.
Geoff 24:53
Yeah, this kind of space saving stuff’s clever. Underneath the stairs. There’s like cupboards and things. So while—yeah.
Georgie 25:00
Have you ever stayed in an Airbnb where it’s not a tiny house, but you’re like, hmm, they seem to have tried to shove this bed into a space where a bed’s not really supposed to be, just for the sake of making an Airbnb?
Geoff 25:13
No, I don’t think I’ve... I’ve... that the, like, Airbnb is I usually stay in... Oh, when was the last time I did Airbnb? That did that? I don’t, I don’t think so. They normally do...
Georgie 25:28
I don’t even remember when I last travelled.
Geoff 25:30
They do like a couch of some sort. That is the... that is the bed. But no, I haven’t seen any precariously... just one, just one. When I first came to New South Wales, and I was coming up to stay in Sydney, I looked up this Airbnb. I went in, and there was this, like, living room with a screen in the corner. And I was like, okay, there’s the screen in the corner. And then they gave me the—and then I walked into the bedroom. And I was like, Wait a second, these, this host, or hosts aren’t staying anywhere else. They’re, they’re staying in this in this apartment.
Georgie 26:12
Oh so they had a screen separating the...
Geoff 26:16
They had a mattress, basically, like, curved because it was like leaning up against the door, the with the wall behind the screen, and they were sleeping there. And I was in the bedroom. And I was like, oh my God.
Georgie 26:32
Yeah. This is it. This is kind of what I mean. Right? It’s like they it seems like they’re trying to make a buck on Airbnb. Which they have every right to, but their space doesn’t quite suit, like your average living space. And so it’s like they’ve kind of put everything in there so that you have access to it. But it’s kind of like, I mean it’s like you said, it’s a bit dodge. But yeah, I’ve come across a few like that we can tell from the photos that they’ve tried to make something out of some spare space they have. But it’s not a, it’s not quite the best experience because they’ve had to give you the kettle and the thing, and everything, and you got to share the laundry.
Geoff 27:14
Yeah.
Georgie 27:15
I think it makes for a less than experience. I mean, if you need a place to stay, it’s that’s nice. That’s fine.
Geoff 27:21
Yeah.
Georgie 27:21
Yeah, it’s quite funny.
Geoff 27:23
Like, like a host—hostel type of experience. The, the the stran—I guess the strange thing was that like, even in the photos, I mean, I think I walked in I was like, oh, I wonder if this two bedrooms and then I realised quickly that there wasn’t two bedrooms but they were staying in the corner.
Georgie 27:44
Was it not, was it not like obvious in the...
Geoff 27:47
Yeah, I don’t think it was. Anyways, I was young. I was... didn’t, didn’t really care too much about where I stayed. This this, this tiny house though, so nice. They brought an extension cable out for me to charge my car overnight.
Georgie 28:06
Oh, that’s cool.
Geoff 28:06
Yeah, it’s really they were really nice. I’ve been I’ve been sharing this like, link to everybody and share it in the description. doobly doo below.
Georgie 28:18
Doobly doo.
Geoff 28:20
Doobly doo. Yeah, back to YouTube.
Georgie 28:21
Hey, speaking of Airbnb, though. Well, we’re going to come back, we’ll come back to the doobly doo, but Airbnb, we’re staying in that bloody, that orchard, you know the orchard in the Blue Mountains that is like the top whatever, Airbnb.
Geoff 28:34
Oh, yes.
Georgie 28:36
Yeah, we’ve managed to book some some dates with December and it’s, it got really popular I think through Airbnb because it’s basically on an orchard, there’s the bloody bath on the balcony-type thing.
Geoff 28:48
Nice.
Georgie 28:49
And it... on Airbnb it was like—a couple of years ago—like 400 a night and now it’s like basically doubled because of its popularity.
Geoff 29:02
Oooh. Here we go. Is it this one?
Georgie 29:03
That’s the one.
Geoff 29:04
Magic orchard escape. Wow.
Georgie 29:06
Yeah.
Geoff 29:08
Holy shit. Oh my god.
Georgie 29:12
Anyway, pro, pro tip Nick found a discount code on Instagram so go there if you want a 10% off.
Geoff 29:18
Oh my god. So you booked booked this whole place for yourself?
Georgie 29:25
Yeah.
Geoff 29:26
Wow.
Georgie 29:26
Going in a few weeks. Should be fun.
Geoff 29:29
You going in a few weeks or going for a few weeks.
Georgie 29:32
In a few weeks. You gonna spend like... it’s eight hundred dollars.
Geoff 29:37
Hey, I don’t... I’m not criticising the way you spend your money.
Georgie 29:43
Yep yep.
Geoff 29:44
But that that tiny house Airbnb was, like a little bit over budget. $136 a night. I usually try and keep it at $100 a night.
Georgie 29:57
Yeah, I mean, we try to do like 100... wait is that like per person or like...
Geoff 30:02
Haha. So my sister. For me, it’s $100 per person. My sister’s like...
Georgie 30:11
Oh okay, yeah yeah.
Geoff 30:12
My sister’s like, why would you do that? Why wouldn’t you go for $100 a night, split between two people, then it becomes cheaper. That’s the whole point of travelling with people, is to make something cheaper? Not like, have more budget?
Georgie 30:28
Yeah I mean, I don’t think it matters how you do it. Like, it depends on where you’re going. And like, if you can get something cheaper and nice. So...
Geoff 30:38
Yeah.
Georgie 30:39
I mean, for us, like, I think maybe when we see something that’s like, 200, like, 200 over for a night, which is something that’s gonna be split between myself and Nick. Like, it has to be worth like, the whatever it is, right?
Geoff 30:52
Yeah.
Georgie 30:53
Is this place worth staying? Like, I would say 200 feels somewhat expensive at night, right?
Geoff 30:58
Yeah.
Georgie 30:59
So it’s like, is this gonna be worth it? And you know, we’re gonna be using the facilities there or whatever, or what have you?
Geoff 31:06
That’s just it, right. Facilities. That’s the one thing that I’m like—
Georgie 31:10
Yeah. Like if you’re, if you’re staying somewhere for one night, right? And you’re mostly going to be out, and then you just need a place to crash because you’re doing mostly hikes or whatever. And it’s like, $200. That’s a bit expensive, right? You’d want to try and bring that down a bit. In my opinion.
Geoff 31:25
Yeah. Oh, have you heard of the bubble tent?
Georgie 31:30
I think I’ve seen it. Where is—I think I’ve seen pictures. This sounds familiar.
Geoff 31:35
This bubble tent place. It’s like glamping. They have—
Georgie 31:41
Oh it’s like fancy glamping.
Geoff 31:42
Yeah, it’s fancy. It’s like almost camping. But the thing is, like, when you get these bubbles, you have all the amenities in the bubble. So you have like a private bathroom. You can kind of see it. There’s like, private stuff.
Georgie 31:58
That’s pretty cool.
Geoff 31:58
Bubble bed. And there’s like a bathtub outside if you, if you, I think that’s where you should actually take a bath.
Georgie 32:07
So it’s like comfortable camping.
Geoff 32:09
Yeah. Oh, here it is. You get a bathtub outside. But the thing is, it’s so remote that nobody’s around. So that’s the vibe. It’s pretty expensive too.
Georgie 32:23
That’s pretty cool. That’s what I was gonna say though, right? This is this was like one of those things that is like a, what do you call it? It’s it’s been like, made expensive, because it’s actually a privilege, even though the premise is like—
Geoff 32:37
That’s really interesting.
Georgie 32:39
You know what I mean?
Geoff 32:39
Yeah that’s an interesting point, yeah, yeah. It’s like, we put a fucking tent out in the middle of nowhere. But you got to pay $1,000 a night to stay there.
Georgie 32:49
Yeah, because it’s got these comforts of like, being able to take a shit in, and not out in a hole. Like, you know, like, you know what I mean? It’s like, it’s like the minimalism privilege. Yeah, if you grew up poor with little stuff, you just got by with what you had. Where as now it’s like, oh, I’m, I’m so privileged that I am a minimalist, because what I have access to and can afford is too much for me or it’s just consumerism. It’s just, it’s that whole—
Geoff 33:15
It’s interesting. Yeah. It’s a bit—
Georgie 33:17
...fucking privileged thing, like, so you’re playing—you’re paying 1000 bucks for glorified camping. Like please.
Geoff 33:25
Yeah, yeah. Whereas like, I could get a fucking tent and just go out there in the middle of nowhere, pitch it and it would be like 50 bucks.
Georgie 33:34
Yeah, I feel like every time we talk about minimalism, we always talk about this glorified normal things like, weren’t you talking about that bloody like kettle, that was like bouje? You know what I mean, right?
Geoff 33:44
Yeah, my kettle’s got like, eight buttons on it, like 80 degrees all the way to 100 degrees for different teas. And you’re like, dude—
Georgie 33:53
Yeah.
Geoff 33:53
...just get a kettle that boils to however 100 and just let it cool down for a bit.
Georgie 33:59
And wait for the water to cool down? Yeah. You know what’s so funny is I have the exact same kettle as you, right. It’s got the temperature settings.
Geoff 34:05
I don’t even drink tea! The... but the whole like, actually, the kettle thing is interesting because I went to a tea tasting, kind of... booking?
Georgie 34:23
The temperature’s important.
Geoff 34:24
Or whatever. The tea tasting thing. And they were telling me about the history behind tea and how people were managing to use 80 degrees tea because obviously back then they didn’t have this fuckin button that said to be 80 degrees tea for green tea to have optimal tea.
Georgie 34:46
Yeah.
Geoff 34:46
So they did a trial by trial and error. And apparently they measured the degrees by how many steps they took away from the tea pot, right? So they if they like—
Georgie 34:58
Woah.
Geoff 34:59
Walked ten, twenty steps away, and then they came back another ten, twenty steps. That would be the right temperature of, of heat.
Georgie 35:07
Oh, yeah.
Geoff 35:08
Temperature for the water. So I was like, Oh man, so like, they boiled it, they let it, then they took the fire off and then they walked away 20 steps that came back. It’s 80 degrees. Hey, presto, everybody, this is great for the tea leaves that I collected this morning or something like that. So.
Georgie 35:24
Yeah, and they didn’t have timers right. So that’s just how they have time it.
Geoff 35:28
Yeah, it’s kind of like, I guess was that the history of feet? This is just some person who started to measure everything with their foot. And they were like this is a step.
Georgie 35:37
Oh yeah.
Geoff 35:38
The foot. My foot.
Georgie 35:39
But like, is it a step? Or actually, no, I don’t actually know. Like, is it one foot like one step or something? But then like, you know, everyone’s foot is a different size.
Geoff 35:47
Exactly, exactly.
Georgie 35:49
You know what, like, literally right? Because Nick is so tall and I’m quite small, he literally takes one step and I, I literally, have to take two. If he takes a big stride—it’s not even a big stride, actually—if he takes a step, like a pretty standard step, and we’re walking at an average—he is walking an average pace, I feel like I’m running.
Geoff 36:10
Yeah, yeah.
Georgie 36:11
And I’m looking, I’m looking at his, I’m looking at his feet. He’s not, he’s not trying to do this as a joke. I’m looking at his feet and he’s taking normal like strides. And I’m going like, step step, step, step step step to keep up with him.
Geoff 36:25
Yeah.
Georgie 36:25
It’s such a thing.
Geoff 36:26
It’s, it’s kind of like you’re, you’re speed walking. And he’s just regular walking, right?
Georgie 36:34
Yeah.
Geoff 36:35
It’s, it’s pretty funny. Okay, so the Neolithic flung foot was first proposed by archaeologists, upon calculations from surveys of phase one elements at Stonehenge. Wow.
Georgie 36:48
I like Stonehenge.
Geoff 36:49
The underlying diameters of the stone circles had been consistently laid out using multiples of a base unit, amounting to 30 long feet.
Georgie 37:01
Oh, so there’s a long foot, and then it got changed to just a foot?
Geoff 37:04
Yeah, calculated to be 1.056 modern international foot. But that doesn’t mean... wait, did they literally just say foot survey foot when the international foot is a great survey data? Did they not just use the word foot because you used a physical foot?
Georgie 37:23
Oh it’s um, metric foot? Metric foot.
Geoff 37:25
Oh it’s a metric foot?
Georgie 37:26
Is that 30 centimetres, right? Isn’t isn’t this a foot? I’ve got a 30 centimetre ruler, is 12 inches a foot? So 12 inches? Is 12 inches a foot? And then like...
Geoff 37:41
Oh my god. 12. But why? Why do this?
Georgie 37:47
This is 30 centimetres? I don’t know, just use centimetres, right?
Geoff 37:53
Just why do you need three? Why do you need to calculate something into three? Anyways.
Georgie 38:00
I don’t know. Obviously, it sounds very, I dunno.
Geoff 38:05
It’s unnecessary.
Georgie 38:05
It sounds very odd.
Geoff 38:06
As soon as they came up with the centimeter, they should have just been like, alright, kill the foot off. Like why, why do we need to measure things in, in some weird size? But yeah, the, so, back to yeah, so back to YouTube. I’ve been watching—
Georgie 38:23
The doobly doo.
Geoff 38:24
The doobly doo. The tiny house.
Georgie 38:27
UI has changed.
Geoff 38:28
Architecture. You—the UI is terrible. I don’t understand why.
Georgie 38:33
Wait, can I rant about the UI, please?
Geoff 38:35
Yeah, I don’t understand why the UI is like this.
Georgie 38:39
So what I really specifically want to rant about is the thumbnails. Because, and like, because you watched like vlogbrothers and OG YouTube, right.
Geoff 38:49
Yeah.
Georgie 38:50
Do you remember when the thumbnail didn’t determine what the content of the video was about specifically? Because it wasn’t polluted with some fucking text?
Geoff 39:01
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 39:04
Now they’re using the thumbnail—okay, and this started a couple of years ago, because they they made the thumbnails just a little bit bigger—and then they started using the thumbnail to put some text on there. So you’d look at the thumbnail, and be like, oh, yeah, I want to read about what’s like—I’ll look at one of your screen right now. Like, “how it ends” and there’s like a Statue of Liberty in the sand, right?
Geoff 39:22
Oh, yeah.
Georgie 39:23
They’re using it now so that you will like look at it and want to click on the on the thumbnail, but that’s not accessible. We know that right? We know that is not accessible. And not everyone can like see, or will read what the fuck you put on the thumbnail?
Geoff 39:38
Yeah.
Georgie 39:38
And I just find it so annoying.
Geoff 39:41
So for those who hadn’t started YouTube back in the day, it was literally a point in time of your video I believe. You couldn’t, you couldn’t actually specify a, a splash page or, I don’t think, in the back in the day, you couldn’t even specify which point in time. They just, they just like, picked—
Georgie 39:59
They just picked one or they got the beginning.
Geoff 40:03
Or they put the beginning. So and yeah, what actually annoys me about, like you said, they started to put text in the side and put splash pages. And that only happened maybe a few years ago. But now the splash with text doesn’t match the text underneath the image. So I find that really annoying because I’m flicking through YouTube on the TV, and I see a thumbnail and some text on it and I flick to it, and it starts playing the video. And I’m like—
Georgie 40:39
Oh, like the little preview?
Geoff 40:41
Yes, I was previewing the video. And I’m like, wait, what was this about? So I read the text underneath, and I’m like, wait, that’s not that’s not the text I saw before that got me to move to the video. So I move off the video. And then I see the text. I’m like, oh, that’s what the video is about. And then I have to go back.
Georgie 41:00
Yeah.
Geoff 41:00
I’m like, why? Why? Like, even that “how it ends”.
Georgie 41:05
It’s a massive like, clickbait clickbait ploy.
Geoff 41:09
Yeah.
Georgie 41:09
But it still annoys me because then they still also use the, the title as clickbait. Like there’s this YouTuber that Nick used to watch. I don’t think he watches her anymore because her content got boring or he whatever, got over it. And she said something in the title that was like, oh, dramatic “why I blah blah, don’t do this anymore”, or some shit. And half of the video was like her playing the piano or something. And then there was like, one little bit of 10 seconds that referenced, referenced the title. Yeah. And it’s like, and then at the same time, the thumbnail, oh fuck man. Like, it’s just...
Geoff 41:45
It’s just a whole bunch of confu—look, this one here. “I ask one question to spot liars”. Right? And then underneath it says “why I fire employees every day”. Well, that just, so it’s so opposite of what it is. Like, are you firing because they’re liars? And why is it every day? Like the, what like, what of it tells me like, oh, this is like a cool maybe question to use in practice. But then like, why? Why is this, is this video about firing people? I don’t want to know about firing people. I just want to know how to spot liars.
Georgie 42:23
Yeah, it’s like it’s so like, like, it’s so confusing.
Geoff 42:27
It’s it’s it’s just crazy.
Georgie 42:29
They will put something in the thumbnail to get your visual attention I guess. But then the title of the video because I guess that pertains more to the SEO is, is like the actual thing, fuck. I don’t—I still don’t get. Yeah.
Geoff 42:42
Yeah, right. They’re trying to hit SEO. But they’re using the thumbnails to capture visual attention. So really the the fact that this person put the word Elon Musk in the, in the, in the, in the title is more important than putting I mean, they put a picture of Elon Musk.
Georgie 43:03
ONE QUESTION TO SPOT LIARS.
Geoff 43:06
Yes. Like, oh my god. Um, anyways, yeah.
Georgie 43:10
The other thing I hate is like they started... this is, I think a lot of content creators do this. But the titles, the all uppercase ones.
Geoff 43:19
Yeah.
Georgie 43:19
So like all of a sudden you’re shouting at me, let me find one on your screen.
Geoff 43:22
“TWO HOUR STUDY WITH ME. Relaxing jazz”. But I like, oh my god. Can we like.
Georgie 43:31
Yeah like, I can’t stand the uppercase because it’s not like not everyone can read uppercase very well. And it’s just like it sounds like you’re shouting at me. And everyone’s competing with each other. Everyone’s shouting everyone’s... “SQUID GAME but ALL 456 PEOPLE SURVIVE SQUID GAME ANIMATION”. Like why, why are you doing this?
Geoff 43:50
Why is the word “but” in lowercase and everything else in uppercase? It’s like, wait, do you not want me to understand there’s a “but”? “Squid game all 456 people survive”.
Georgie 44:02
Like there’s... like, I don’t think it actually—it makes it harder to read. Like general, generally for most of the population. And I think there are studies on this. It’s actually about readability and stuff. It’s more difficult to read uppercase, especially when there’s a lot of text.
Geoff 44:17
Yeah.
Georgie 44:18
It’s like like there’s something there. Okay, you’ve got one a trailer. “Don’t look up” is the, is the main thing and then there’s separators and the rest is in normal sentence case.
Geoff 44:28
Yeah.
Georgie 44:28
Which is fine. But when the whole thing is in it, like, it’s not getting any my attention any more than you think it is.
Geoff 44:35
Yeah, it’s it’s interesting because that actually, that’s a Netflix official trailer and they don’t actually put the name of the like the movie we’re watching on the thumbnail itself. So they put “Netflix official trailer”, and they don’t say what the movie is, but you have—to read the then you have to read the title to find out what the movie is. I watch this guy called Graham Steffen, which is the finance guy. I think we’ve mentioned him before. But he does a funny thing where he whenever he sees a pipe, as you call it, the line—he says “wait for it”
Georgie 45:06
Oh yeah.
Geoff 45:06
He goes, “don’t look up—wait for it—Leo, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Lawrence—wait for it—official trailer—wait for it—millennial money”, right?
Georgie 45:18
Well, at least they have—Netflix has like some kind of naming convention here, right. And they’ve got a consistency to their thumbnails, it seems. Right. And then okay. Yeah, you’re looking at—
Geoff 45:28
“Chill vibes, wait for it”...
Georgie 45:30
The letters are... No, no, no, the letters are separate.
Geoff 45:34
Yeah, it’s it’s C H I L L V I B E S.
Georgie 45:41
But again, right, like and this is happening on Twitter and other social media. It’s like they’re trying to get your attention with.
Geoff 45:48
Yeah.
Georgie 45:49
With those fonts and those special characters.
Geoff 45:51
Oh. Those are like worst.
Georgie 45:53
It doesn’t make it any easier to read. Right? You could still get my attention by writing “chill vibes” in uppercase. Why does it have to be spaced out?
Geoff 46:01
Exactly.
Georgie 46:02
And then, you know?
Geoff 46:03
You know what’s not chill? The ending to this episode. So.
Georgie 46:07
Yeah.
Geoff 46:07
Thanks, everybody.
Georgie 46:10
We are roasting.
Geoff 46:12
The, I think this is a another one of our rare, super roast videos. So hope you enjoyed it. You can follow us on @toastroastpost on Twitter and Instagram. Mostly Twitter.
Georgie 46:27
Please tell us what you hate about YouTube.
Geoff 46:29
Yeah. Tell us what you hate about YouTube because they do—they disabled the dislike numbers. We didn’t even get that far. Like, yeah, let us know what you hate about YouTube. If you’re ready to quit YouTube, let us know.
Georgie 46:43
Yeah, you can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the big giant void that is YouTube.
Geoff 46:52
Endless scroll. So yeah, see, see y’all next time. Bye.
Georgie 46:59
Bye.