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Sharing friends’ thoughts on Toast & Roast serve as thinly veiled self-indulgence, people assuming you’ve seen what they’ve posted online, rigged web awards, and to come full circle: being salty about not making it onto any “30 under 30” lists, despite having a shit-talking podcast with a measly 1000 downloads. No really, though—we appreciate you. Thank you for helping us get to this little milestone! ♥️
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Georgie 0:07
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I’m your co host, Georgie and I am here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:16
Sup.
Georgie 0:18
What’s happening.
Geoff 0:19
So...
Georgie 0:20
You have a story.
Geoff 0:22
Yeah, someone come in to shampoo the carpet. It’s not quite shampoo. It’s some kind of foam thing. They were very adamant that this was like 100 times better than shampooing your carpet.
Georgie 0:36
I’ve never had the process like I’ve never seen the process or like, what is it supposed to be?
Geoff 0:43
How they describe it with the traditional methods is I think water simply just like glides through the, the, the, well, seeps into your carpet, for one. And then and then like, you try and dry it and the dirt hasn’t really gone anywhere, right? It’s just water.
Georgie 1:07
Yeah, it’s still there.
Geoff 1:10
Still there. Then the shampooing where they have like, like, I don’t know, rotating, rotating the—
Georgie 1:18
Machine?
Geoff 1:19
Machine or whatever. And then like they put the sham, they put shampoo on your carpet. And they like swish it around. But again, the dirt doesn’t kind of go anywhere. It just gets swished around.
Georgie 1:32
Okay, yeah. And this makes sense. But then how do you actually clean your carpet?
Geoff 1:38
And of course, the shampoo thing takes like a day to dry.
Georgie 1:42
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Geoff 1:44
So the foam dries faster dries within, like, within an hour. And the foam like goes goes in and then lifts lifts up the dirt or something like that. Just like, I don’t know.
Georgie 2:01
Do you suck the foam out or something?
Geoff 2:04
I don’t know. foam. Foam. foam. Foam. I guess you do suck the foam out, foam carpet cleaning. Yeah, I mean like the best way to clean your carpet is not to have a carpet. That’s probably
Georgie 2:18
(snort) That’s not very solid advice.
Geoff 2:19
Hahaha, solid advice, everybody, if you don’t want to clean carpet just don’t have carpet.
Georgie 2:25
So what, just use a rug instead. And then wash the rug.
Geoff 2:28
Ah, screw rugs, just don’t have a rug. Just don’t have... I mean you can—
Georgie 2:32
But I like carpet.
Geoff 2:33
I usually have carpet in the bedroom. That’s like the minimum maximum amount of carpet that I would accept. But I live in a carpet place.
Georgie 2:43
Yeah, why do you have a carpet near, in your kitchen? Like the...
Geoff 2:48
Oh, near the island? Yes, I do.
Georgie 2:49
Oh, yeah, that’s a, that’s like a no-go for me.
Geoff 2:53
Yeah.
Georgie 2:53
Yeah, I’m like, wow, have fun with spilling carrots on the carpet.
Geoff 2:59
Here you go. Here you go. Dry foam carpet cleaning. I don’t know Look, there was a bunch of words, and I was like, all right. Car, foam carpet cleaning sounds better than all the other things that you told me to use. I mean, he can do—oh, steam, steam sorry. Steam doesn’t do anything, steam just heats up your carpet.
Georgie 3:21
Doesn’t it kill bacteria because of heat, maybe?
Geoff 3:24
True, I guess the odour and stuff would like go away but, I don’t know, it takes forever to dry. I think that’s like the downside of steam. I don’t know, it’s hot though.
Georgie 3:34
Wait, you don’t like having little warm carpet between your toes and shit?
Geoff 3:40
I prefer not to have a foot bath every time I walk onto my carpet.
Georgie 3:45
Makes sense. Makes sense.
Geoff 3:47
Anyways, they they rocked up like half an hour late, and I was like, you, they didn’t message or anything, rocked up half hour late. And then we left them to it. Like, he said it’s going to take about an hour or so we went, we went out instead. Had a banh mi, had a brown sugar milk tea. Oh my god.
Georgie 4:13
Oh my god. They’re like so good. But so bad.
Geoff 4:17
Yeah. Yeah.
Georgie 4:18
Naughty.
Geoff 4:18
It was a new place that opened up in Burwood called Tiger Sugar Milk Tea. Tiger sugar.
Georgie 4:24
Yeah.
Geoff 4:25
Tiger sugar.
Georgie 4:27
Like I know. What is it, Sharetea does them like seasonally? I think?
Geoff 4:32
Seasonally? That’s a weird—
Georgie 4:36
Yeah, like in the winter because people dig—I don’t know actually, I don’t know. Maybe they don’t all the time. But Sharetea definitely does the tiger, tiger milk tea.
Geoff 4:44
Yeah, but this place is literally called Tiger Milk. Tiger Milk tea. Tiger Sugar. They’re called Tiger Sugar. And they’re like apparently the OG like they originally made the whole brown sugar milk tea with the with the whole like, brown sugar on the side? Oh my god, is it good. It, and it’s just so much better than the Gong Cha, I’ve tried every single bubble tea place that makes brown sugar milk tea and damn, this place is legit. But we, when we ordered, we were number 76. And they were at number 50.
Georgie 5:29
Haha. Shit.
Geoff 5:30
We’re here at number 50, number 60, maybe, either way, we’re like pretty far down the list. I managed to walk all the way home which is, I don’t know, five to 10 minute walk and walk back before our order. It took it took like half an hour. Maybe.
Georgie 5:48
Yeah.
Geoff 5:49
It’s just too popular.
Georgie 5:51
Wow.
Geoff 5:54
Anyways, so I came back, because I was like, oh, I should check in on the on the carpet cleaner. And he wasn’t here. He just disappeared.
Georgie 6:04
Oh fuck.
Geoff 6:05
And I was like, I was like for sure that he would message or call when he’s done or something. But nah, the place was empty. He wasn’t here. And so I called him, and took fore—he didn’t pick up, and then he called me back and he was like, “Oh yeah, I’m done. I’m gone to the next job”. Like—
Georgie 6:24
He just fucking left?
Geoff 6:26
Yeah.
Georgie 6:26
That’s so random.
Geoff 6:27
Yeah, like text me that you’re done. Like, just like, man, so I don’t know what star rating to give this guy. He’s got like, two, he’s got like, two thousand over like, over two thousand 5-star reviews and I don’t want to be that guy.
Georgie 6:44
But what did he do wrong? He just came late and fucked off.
Geoff 6:47
Yeah, I guess he didn’t do anything wrong, really. Woah did this mic, did my mic pick this up?
Georgie 6:53
Yeah, you knocked it—
Geoff 6:55
Oh, shit.
Georgie 6:56
It wasn’t that obvious though.
Geoff 6:58
No, no it was just me dropping my phone.
Georgie 7:00
I reckon my chair squeaking is sometimes in the background of the audio. I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna make it do it. Oh fuck it let’s see. Oh, wait, that was way too sqeaky.
Geoff 7:11
Yeah, that’s me with dropping my phone on the on the table. But you know, so, I guess I’ll give him a five star. I mean, he did the job. He didn’t... He moved all our furniture around for us and, and really shampooed underneath the couches and things like that. And the dining table. So.
Georgie 7:31
Nice.
Geoff 7:32
Overall, not bad.
Georgie 7:33
I feel like two thousand reviews can’t be like wrong, right? That’s quite a lot.
Geoff 7:37
That’s true. Yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s a bit too many reviews to be fake.
Georgie 7:45
Yeah. Have you? Have you heard of that like, thing where Amazon puts gets people to write fake good reviews—not Amazon. So not Amazon, maybe it’s like some people, I can’t remember there’s a thing around Amazon fake reviews and just be aware of when when a product sounds like too good to be true.
Geoff 8:04
Oh. Oh.
Georgie 8:06
But I think we talked about this with books is that like, I like to read the one star review. So with products, I like to read the one star reviews, because I like I want to know, what are your pain points, like? And I think the other thing is that a lot of five star reviews tend not to be very helpful at all.
Geoff 8:24
Yeah, I like—
Georgie 8:25
They’re just like, “Oh, it’s so great. It’s like the best thing I’ve ever like tried” or whatever. And I’m like that’s really—
Geoff 8:30
No one’s critical.
Georgie 8:31
Yeah. So anyway, I’m slightly personal. But I bought some underwear and it was really comfortable. So I left a like a five star review. And I left some details on like, why I was so comfortable and why it fit really well. And like the fabric and stuff. And because I’ve tried other like styles from this brand. I said this is like my favourite of all of the styles. And then they actually replied, to me and they said thank you so much for like, you know, the, your detailed review. Like we appreciate you being a customer and stuff.
Geoff 9:00
Yeah.
Georgie 9:01
So that was, yeah, I think it also just helps. It doesn’t—I think it doesn’t just help people who are buying but people, the people who own the business specialists like small business, which is the one that the one I was buying from the small business.
Geoff 9:15
Yeah, we went to a ramen place the other day. And they said we ordered their special it’s called like something chicken and truffle ramen or something like that.
Georgie 9:24
Mmm.
Geoff 9:26
We ordered it and because it was literally the first day they had launched the special they asked us they asked us like what did we think of the special, and I was like, could have a stronger truffle flavour. And I was like yeah, it’s like sometimes it’s good. It’s good. You should be helpful. But yeah, apologies everyone. I was kind of adjusting my my microphone because I got a new mic arm cuz of course. So it was—the microphone is a little long. So, and this—
Georgie 10:02
Just hits you in the nose?
Geoff 10:04
Not really. It’s my like it’s underneath my hand. So it’s a low profile. So it’s like the microphone instead of going like up and then down like a crane.
Georgie 10:14
Oh.
Geoff 10:15
It goes, it goes horizontally across your desk.
Georgie 10:19
Yeah.
Geoff 10:20
So then the microphone is in like, right, it’s right in front of your face. But there’s like no visual obstruction because it’s going across your desk.
Georgie 10:30
So it’s better than your previous one?
Geoff 10:32
I’d say so I’d say like ergonomically, it just looks better because I have a fucking massive monitor and I can’t see like a quarter of it because the microphone would be in my face.
Georgie 10:44
(laughs) Yeah.
Geoff 10:46
So but the thing is, like I made it so that the microphone sits like, completely in the, like the holder is in the middle of the microphone. So yeah, in the middle part of the microphone. But so that means half the microphone is hanging off the end. And it’s, it’s pointing directly downwards to my desk. So if I move my hand underneath the microphone, I just, I’ll just hit it. I’ll hit the end of the microphone, all the cables and shit coming out the end. So I was just, adjusting it so that it’s like it starts at the bottom and the microphone so it’s it’s far away from the desk as possible, and it’s closest to the, my mouth as possible. So the volume may have increased, but yeah, anyways, it’s nicer. I think it’s nicer.
Georgie 11:30
That’s funny because I just sit here and I’m recording on my phone. I don’t have to fucking touch it.
Geoff 11:37
You can’t see the microphone until I put my hands in front of it.
Georgie 11:41
That’s because you’re wearing black.
Geoff 11:44
I’m wearing black.
Georgie 11:44
I can see the, I can see part of the, what do you call it, the hand, the handle.
Geoff 11:48
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it makes abso-fucking-lutely no difference to anybody listening to it, but it makes makes a lot of difference, to me using it like. I need to, like—
Georgie 12:01
If I ever get a microphone, I’m not gonna tell anybody.
Geoff 12:03
You’re not going to get one—oh, to see if people can tell it’s—
Georgie 12:06
See if people—yeah. But that’s also, I’m not, I’m not promising I’ll get one anytime soon or anytime in the future. I’m just saying.
Geoff 12:15
I’ve got a bit of an imbalance here where the microphone arm cost more than the microphone, I think.
Georgie 12:23
What!
Geoff 12:24
Yeah, the microphone arm costs...
Georgie 12:26
I’m sure it costs more than how much we get for this podcast, which is nothing.
Geoff 12:30
Which is absolutely zero.
Georgie 12:32
Actually speaking—but not zero. We hit like 1000 downloads—
Geoff 12:35
Oh, yeah, wanna talk about that...
Georgie 12:38
Thank you.
Geoff 12:38
Correction. This microphone was... no no, no, it definitely the arm cost more. But yeah, a thousand downloads. Thanks, everybody is given.
Georgie 12:47
Thanks for listening to our... bs.
Geoff 12:50
Holy shit. I mean, for some reason, we get a consistent 11 to 12 listens on every episode. So I don’t know what you all enjoy about this, but—
Georgie 13:04
Yeah, what what kind of feedback have you gotten from people, have they told you directly like—
Geoff 13:11
Not much too, too much feedback. My, one of my friends who is listening has like, given me one of those running commentary kind of—
Georgie 13:23
They text you and—
Geoff 13:24
Yeah, they’re texting me while they while they’re listening to it. They’re like, I remember when I can’t remember what episode it was. But you asked me a question. And I was like a deer in the—oh, you’re trying to make me guess something.
Georgie 13:38
Oh, like, “you’ll never guess where I went”.
Geoff 13:40
“You‘ll never guess where I went”. And then we did this little quiz thing. And I was like, I have no fucking clue. And my friend is just like, you’re totally deer in the headlights situation there. Right? Where I didn’t give any good, any good answers, any good guesses.
Georgie 13:56
Yeah.
Geoff 13:58
Yeah. So I get those those kinds of messages sometimes. So that’s about it. Like, oh, yeah. Like, you did, you mentioned that, this thing in your podcast, and I have things to say about that. I’m like okay. How about you?
Georgie 14:16
I have a friend who started listening recently.
Geoff 14:20
How close is this friend. What proximity?
Georgie 14:23
Well, I used to work with them, but we’re pretty close.
Geoff 14:26
Okay, yeah.
Georgie 14:27
They no longer work at my company. But yeah, he said, oh, my god, I love this podcast already. I think he was just listening to the most recent episode at the time, which I can’t remember what it was, but it was a few weeks ago. And we did have this discussion. I’m trying to remember exactly what was said. But we touched on how, have you ever been in a situation where you posted something online? And then you start talking to a friend about it in person and they’re like, yeah, like, I know, “I heard it on your podcast” or “I read it on your blog” or something.
Geoff 15:06
Oh, okay. Yeah.
Georgie 15:09
Or I think my friend asked me, has anyone, or has, yeah. Has anyone asked you and you’ve told them a story, and they said, you’ve told them before, but you haven’t. But they’re translating that they’ve read it on a post or listened on the podcast, as you telling them. So I don’t know about that. I don’t know if that’s happened. But definitely, I don’t assume that someone listens to my podcasts or reads my blog. So I, whatever—
Geoff 15:39
I will tell the story.
Georgie 15:42
Yeah, wherever, whatever I talk about on this podcast. I will probably talk to people and friends in person. And maybe some of them listen to this podcast. And they will be like, “Yeah, I’ve heard this before”. But I just don’t.
Geoff 16:01
“Strangely, I’ve heard this story before I wonder who told me.”
Georgie 16:03
Like, I swear you told me! But it was just because my voice was in their ear on the podcast, maybe? I don’t know. But I just always assume that people have not fucking gone to the entire breadth of my existence online and consumed all of the—
Geoff 16:17
Yeah, we’re on episode like, I don’t know. 55 or something like that. Can’t, can’t trust us to remember how many, what we’ve talked about in the past?
Georgie 16:26
Yeah, like, I don’t even remember what you’ve told me sometimes.
Geoff 16:28
Yeah. Sometimes I just like after the podcast, if we talked about something that that was like fun. I mean, interesting. I guess we talk about interesting stuff all the time, because, of course.
Georgie 16:41
Duh.
Geoff 16:42
Duh. I’d go to my partner and I asked them the same kind of question.
Georgie 16:46
Yeah.
Geoff 16:47
And see their take on it.
Georgie 16:48
I say the same thing to Nick. I’ll be like, “Geoff said this”. It’s just a whole big conversation is what it feels like.
Geoff 16:57
Well, one thing I do remember I asked them about, if they think animals are sentient.
Georgie 17:05
We talked ab—yeah, I think we talked about it.
Geoff 17:08
After we talked about it, I went and asked them and they said, like if we go to the actual sentience, yes, she believes that, you know, dogs and cats and all the other pets. They they can recognise when you’re happy or sad. And they they can act accordingly. And that’s some level of sentience. Whether or not they understand that they themselves are behaving this way, to to like a degree is question, is questionable. Like, they can be happy, they can be sad, they can be in pain. And but if they do they know why they’re in pain. No, but can’t say that they’re not completely aware of their existence. So I was like, yeah, that’s pretty.
Georgie 17:53
Yeah.
Geoff 17:55
That’s pretty accurate to say, I reckon.
Georgie 17:59
But then it’s like, our, isn’t that also our perception of like, well, we are wondering if they are aware?
Geoff 18:06
Are we projecting?
Georgie 18:07
Yeah, are we, yeah. Because what if they’re, like, do these humans know, they’re just like talking a lot and telling us what to do?
Geoff 18:14
Don’t these humans know I’m just trolling them by doing exactly the opposite of what they say?
Georgie 18:19
Yeah, like, what if? Yeah, what if they’re actually I mean, I don’t want to say this in a way that—I’m assuming—what if they’re actually very smart?
Geoff 18:27
Yeah. Have you seen the movie Cats and Dogs.
Georgie 18:33
No... wait?
Geoff 18:34
Cats and Dogs movie?
Georgie 18:36
I don’t think I have. Doesn’t sound familiar.
Geoff 18:39
Yeah, there we go. There we go. It’s literally a movie about the cats and dogs being sentient. Like they’re like the they got technology. And they just play dumb to humans. And they’re out there like saving the world and being spies.
Georgie 18:55
Yeah. Like what if, what if all of our pets are like moonlight fucking vigilantes or some shit.
Geoff 19:06
Anyways, what we’re talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, that just reminds me of this time when I was talking to someone about, can’t remember what it was exactly. But they said, “Oh, didn’t you read my post on Facebook?”
Georgie 19:22
Ohhh!
Geoff 19:24
I already—
Georgie 19:26
What was the person’s like friendship relation?
Geoff 19:29
Oh, like friendship level? Probably like, distant? I wouldn’t say, I guess like mid mid to low level. But maybe more of an acquaintance, though we let’s let’s call it acquaintance.
Georgie 19:44
So they, was it they questioned you? They’re like, “didn’t you?” It wasn’t like—
Geoff 19:48
“I already posted this on Facebook. Like I, why am I answering questions I’ve already posted on Facebook about?” You know.
Georgie 19:54
Oh, the sheer ignorance.
Geoff 19:56
Yeah, it’s like the complete opposite to us. Like we assume people, nobody freaking reads our tweets and and listens to our podcast and they assume everybody reads their Facebook. But that’s like my number one rule. You know, number one rule about Facebook is that don’t assume everybody even gets the posts that you make on Facebook.
Georgie 20:17
Yeah.
Geoff 20:18
Yeah. Cuz, like—
Georgie 20:21
Can you mute people on Facebook?
Geoff 20:23
I don’t know, hey.
Georgie 20:24
Because you can mute people on Instagram.
Geoff 20:27
I don’t even use Facebook. Oh man, if people question whether or not I’ve seen their Instagram post, just, I’m out.
Georgie 20:35
The way I approach this—oh, no, someone on your feed has.
Geoff 20:41
Holy shit. They got rear ended, their Tesla got freakin rear ended, holy shit. No, it’s a model Y. They only just started shipping these like, two weeks ago.
Georgie 20:51
(gasp)
Geoff 20:51
This is one of the top like 100 cars in Australia.
Georgie 20:56
Oh my god.
Geoff 20:57
The first 100 cars. Holy shit. They’re gonna have to wait till like early next year to get a new one.
Georgie 21:04
Who the heck, that is so bad...
Geoff 21:07
What did they get hit with?
Georgie 21:08
I don’t know.
Geoff 21:10
Alright, I have to save this post I have to put in the show notes.
Georgie 21:14
Oh no. Oh it’s terrible.
Geoff 21:18
Yeah.
Georgie 21:18
Anyway, the way I approach the like, me posting online, crossing over with talking to people in person is, I’ll say, and usually I know if this person follows me on—there’s like a bunch of background information, right? I know, if the person follows me on social media, I know if they’re active on social media, like whether they are lurking and watching people’s stuff, or whether they are the kinds of posts that—
Geoff 21:42
You know?
Georgie 21:43
You know, like, I know that just, you know, in the back of my head. And so then I ask, and this is like mostly close friends, right?
Geoff 21:49
Yeah.
Georgie 21:50
And I won’t ask them—I’ll say, “I don’t know if you saw my Instagram post, but I went to the blah, blah” or whatever.
Geoff 21:59
That’s pretty measured way.
Georgie 22:02
So I preface it, and they might be like, “Oh, no, I didn’t see” and I’ll be like, yeah, whatever. I’m not gonna be fucking offended, right? Like, I want to tell you this thing. Even though I already posted it online. You may have seen it, but I may want to give them extra context as well. Or like more details, because what I post online is not always like, super detailed.
Geoff 22:24
Yeah.
Georgie 22:25
I never assume someone’s seen or listened to consumed all the fucking shit I post on the internet.
Geoff 22:34
Yeah, I like I like that. If you’re like, “I don’t know, if you saw my Instagram. I did this”. And then you can just go, you can either connect with it, go “oh yeah, I saw on Instagram” and they might have thoughts that they didn’t actually comment on your Instagram.
Georgie 22:48
Yeah.
Geoff 22:49
Yeah. Yeah. I’m picking up what you’re putting down.
Georgie 22:56
Man, I love that phrase. I don’t know.
Geoff 22:58
My manager says it all the time.
Georgie 22:59
Wait, so does my manager. Wait are our managers the same people?
Geoff 23:03
Do I have, do I have to do that, when I, for my reportees?
Georgie 23:08
My manager hasn’t said it for a while, I’ve just realised.
Geoff 23:12
Yeah, yeah. It’s pretty good when you have a manager that understands your work, because they will probably say that kind of phrase. “Oh yeah, I’m picking up what you’re putting down” and like, yeah, you understand.
Georgie 23:25
I get it. Yeah.
Geoff 23:27
It’s really rough working in a place when when the, when a manager doesn’t understand what what you’re trying to achieve, right?
Georgie 23:34
Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard that a few times.
Geoff 23:36
Few times? You only have one job.
Georgie 23:39
Oh, yeah. I’ve changed managers a couple of times at this—haha I only have one job?
Geoff 23:44
You’ve outlived, you’ve outlived all your managers.
Georgie 23:48
No, it’s some, I think a couple of them are actually still there, just you know, roles changing and stuff like that. That’s a very that’s an interesting thing, I just realised, yeah.
Geoff 24:00
Yeah, well, on the on the topic of social media, I really only use Facebook nowadays to sell things, like, I think that’s generally the consensus is that Facebook is just good for marketplace.
Georgie 24:14
Oh, yeah, I think we talked about this. See, I can’t even remember.
Geoff 24:17
it’s where it is where I sell everything. Oh, yeah, I sold my robot vacuum.
Georgie 24:20
Oh, wait, why? I thought we talked about how you thought—or was it not efficient anymore or something? Anyway—
Geoff 24:24
Yeah it’s cuz—
Georgie 24:29
You got the me—how do you say it again? Melee?
Geoff 24:32
The me, the Miele.
Georgie 24:34
Mee-lay!
Geoff 24:34
I called it a “meal”, my family was like, what the fuck? Meal? Oh, you mean me-lay? I don’t know. I’m not German. How do you pronounce it? Miele—
Georgie 24:47
Yeah, let’s find out because like, the transcripts kept picking it up last time as something totally else.
Geoff 24:55
Oh, here we go. It’s on—how to pronounce dot com All right. Oh, it’s mi-la.
Georgie 25:02
Mi-la.
Geoff 25:03
Mi-la, what does it stand for? Does it not stand for anything?
Georgie 25:08
Just say meaning, what’s the meaning?
Geoff 25:10
Meaning? I’m using Duck Duck Go now.
Georgie 25:13
Yay. I like Duck Duck Go.
Geoff 25:16
I don’t. I constantly go back to Google.
Georgie 25:18
Oh.
Geoff 25:19
It doesn’t come up with things, sometimes.
Georgie 25:21
It doesn’t. Yeah, I sometimes use Ecosia. And I think that’s kind of even worse.
Geoff 25:26
Oh, I think. I think Taiyo mentioned that Duck Duck Go uses Bing in the background.
Georgie 25:32
Yeah, I think it does. Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 25:35
We’ve been Binging all this time.
Georgie 25:38
Oh my god, should be ashamed, no, just joking.
Geoff 25:40
Tragedy. Microsoft sudden suddenly became the good guy recently. Like in the last decade.
Georgie 25:45
Yeah.
Geoff 25:46
How did that happen? Hey?
Georgie 25:47
But what, was Microsoft ever bad?
Geoff 25:51
Yeah? Maybe?
Georgie 25:53
No? It was just less preferred. Probably.
Geoff 25:57
Microsoft, Microsoft, bad.
Georgie 26:01
Why are you!
Geoff 26:05
Microsoft, why is Microsoft? Right. Okay, so Microsoft’s bad?
Georgie 26:09
Why is Microsoft Edge so bad? (laughs)
Geoff 26:11
Yeah, it’s the office office like is pretty bad. But they’re not bad as a company, I guess.
Georgie 26:19
Yeah. No, I’m actually reading about reading a book by Melinda Gates, who’s the ex wife of Bill Gates.
Geoff 26:29
When—Melinda Gates, his ex wife?
Georgie 26:31
Yeah, they divorced last year, or they split up last year?
Geoff 26:33
Woah, I probably knew this—
Georgie 26:35
Quite recent. Yeah.
Geoff 26:36
But I completely forgot.
Georgie 26:39
And so I’m reading a book by her, which is about empowering women. And I guess the funny thing is, she mentions him and their family a lot in the book, as a result of, I mean, as in them being a lot of like the inspiration in the background for her advocating for like, women’s rights and stuff. It’s just interesting, considering they’ve now split up,
Geoff 27:01
Wait, wait. Their relationship is, is the inspiration for her to have written or talked a lot about women’s empowerment.
Georgie 27:11
So yeah, it’s yeah, it’s quite interesting. So she said—
Geoff 27:14
In positive way.
Georgie 27:16
Yeah. Yeah. Positive positive. This book was written before they divorced. So I don’t—yeah. It’s called, what is it called?
Geoff 27:27
How much does she get? Just she run away like Bezos’s wife?
Georgie 27:32
Melinda Gates... hold up...
Geoff 27:38
I’m looking up different things.
Georgie 27:41
Oh, I got I just want to remember the title of the book. So that’s what I’m talking. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. It’s called The Moment of Lift: How Empowering Women Changes the World. 2019. So she actually tells a lot of her like, personal, like her backstory. And so she said she met Bill Gates when he was the CEO of Microsoft in the 80s, or something. So when women working in tech wasn’t so common. And I’ve tried to summarise this as best as I can.
Geoff 28:19
Let me just read the blurb. “When you lift up women, you lift up”—
Georgie 28:23
No, no, but that’s not the part I wanted to say, the part I wanted to say was like more about her like her meeting Bill Gates. And then then Sunday, so they started dating. And then things got serious. And he was like, the CEO, and they wanted to have children. And they, they were able to plan a family. Like they wanted to have children every like a few children and have, have them over like, three years apart or whatever. And then they realised they were really privileged and then started looking. And visiting countries where they didn’t have like contraceptives. And so women were getting pregnant frequently. And because they didn’t have access to health care, their children were dying and things like that. And it was just—yeah, it was all very, like positive. And she was like, and they both wanted to help people in, who are less privileged. But anyway, yeah, it was just interesting reading all of this extreme positivity about her, and Bill Gates and their family and how he was really supportive of—like, so she decided that she wanted to be a, take care of the children full time. She didn’t want to work. And Bill Gates was actually like, “Oh, what do you mean, like you should work”, but she made the choice herself and that was like back in the 80s or so. And obviously, it’s different now because a lot of women want to work while they raise their kids. And considering the Bill and Melinda split up last year. It was just a little bit strange, but I’m pretty sure she looks back on it like as still... Like no regrets, you know, that kind of thing.
Geoff 29:58
Yes.
Georgie 29:59
Because they still do the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation like together, and I think there was an article that said she is “friendly” with Bill Gates, but they are “not friends”.
Geoff 30:09
(laughs) Wow. The Yeah, I met someone who actually worked for their foundation. And I was like, holy shit.
Georgie 30:18
Oh really.
Geoff 30:19
Yeah, but they moved on to work on COVID recovery, like kind of projects outside of the Gates Fo—outside the foundation. So they’ve they’ve moved on from there. But yeah, that’s, yeah, it’s pretty cool, their, their foundation is huge. But then, like, if they split up the foundation, that would have been not a good thing. Revealed three months after announcing $130 billion split, Jesus. but it says at the end of the article that the agreement was like decision divorce is based on separate contract that specified how they would divide their assets. However, the document is never made public. So I don’t know how they know it’s $130 billion.
Georgie 31:09
Maybe because they just don’t know the details. Just know the amount, I don’t know.
Geoff 31:12
Oh, maybe that’s like, just Bill Gates is like net worth right. That’s his net worth? Net worth 2022... geez, can’t, can’t I just get a TikTok here, a little video? Just tell me. Tell me how much he is worth. Yeah, see 118 billion at at the writing of this article, August 2nd, 2022. That was pretty damn recent.
Georgie 31:37
Maybe it’s not published, maybe last updated? I don’t know.
Geoff 31:41
Yeah, I mean, the top top wealthy people are like, always changing. But I saw that. I saw that what’s his name? Tiger Woods became billionaire.
Georgie 31:54
Doing what?
Geoff 31:56
Yeah, mostly like in, like in sponsorships. And I think like sponsorships, investments, and willing, and winning, winning tournaments. But yeah, he, he hasn’t had the best track record of being a good person. But you know what—
Georgie 32:17
Neither is Jeff Bezos.
Geoff 32:20
Neither is Jeff Bezos. And you know, I think anyone with a billion dollars like it doesn’t doesn’t really matter, who, like has the billion dollars, it’s like a teacher had a billion dollars. I don’t think we can expect anybody to be better or worse than the other person that has a billion dollars. You know.
Georgie 32:37
I don’t—yeah, why does this information exist? Like, why do we care about the top wealthy people? Like, honestly, it’s not even like, I aspire to be anything like them or earn that much money necessarily. So it’s like, why is this information like? I don’t know, like fucking trivia, or like, I don’t know?
Geoff 32:56
Yeah, I don’t know. Like, maybe they’re, quote unquote, aspirational. Because a lot of people don’t have a lot of money in this world. So they’re like, “Well, I want to be like them”, which is a whole different topic. You know what I mean.
Georgie 33:13
Yeah.
Geoff 33:15
But yeah, I find that you know, most music these days all about, like getting money. And I guess they used to be, I mean, we’ve had a gap, I think. There’s like, there was a time where all the raps, you know, when, like, the gangster raps, were coming up. They started getting all flashy. And they started talking about, like, you know, flexing and, like splashing cash. Yeah, and then like a gap, which some more about love and like, relationships and stuff—
Georgie 33:44
Oh yeah, you’re right.
Geoff 33:45
And then, like, now, I think we’re back where the prom, prominent music is about, like getting money, like Kpop is starting to be—
Georgie 33:52
That’s really interesting, because I guess like, really early rap was, like, just telling stories about stuff. It wasn’t about superficial things, I guess.
Geoff 34:07
Yeah. I watched the documentary actually.
Georgie 34:09
Oh, yeah?
Geoff 34:10
The, was it? Was it rap? Bass documentary? Anyways? Yeah. And they basically talked about how Eminem and Tupac and all them started like growing up. And yeah, that that that period of time where they tried to make rap really go mainstream, is the time when they all started talking about like, the cars and the the ice on the wrist and stuff like that.
Georgie 34:36
Yeah.
Geoff 34:39
But yeah, making money is interesting to people. People like money.
Georgie 34:43
But I’ve just, I’ve just like, you’re looking at this list. What is it, Forbes billionaires. It’s like what can people gather from this? Sure. Elon Musk is rich? But then, why isn’t it about what we can learn from people who are rich, maybe whether it’s in terms of making money or just, are they good? Like, because they have lots of money? Does it mean they’re good people? Fuck no, we’ve clearly just mentioned like, yeah.
Geoff 35:13
My initial reaction to the Tiger Woods one was like, oh my god, we shouldn’t give people like this a billion dollars, because they like, I don’t know, they’re bad people. But actually, it doesn’t really fucking matter if he’s a good or a bad person. Like, he just has a billion dollars, it’s fine. Or something along those lines. But you’re right. I don’t know what this is, like, are people betting on on these people? Are they stocks?
Georgie 35:43
I don’t know, I guess it’s also just really, these these lists. I’m sorry, Forbes, these lists are really, they feel really biased? Like they have the Forbes—okay, here’s the one that I have a personal issue with, is those Forbes 30 Under 30.
Geoff 35:58
Haha, yeah, OK.
Georgie 36:01
Okay, because I don’t know, okay, maybe it’s maybe it’s because there’s a heavy emphasis on age, like—
Geoff 36:09
Yeah.
Georgie 36:10
There are these young people doing really well from themselves. And when I say doing really well, for themselves, what it usually means is, they’re fucking rich, because they did something. Whether they did that with some help or not, I don’t know. They’re famous, because they’re like an influencer or something like that. Or they’re a musician, or, you know, they, they’re an artist, or they do sport or something like that. And just this focus on age has been something, especially in recent years that I just don’t really like, because—
Geoff 36:43
Yeah.
Georgie 36:43
I’ve learned that people can do anything they want at any age. And these lists just, I don’t know, they instill a bit of jealousy and a bit of like, um, sort of maybe unrealistic expectations.
Geoff 36:57
Yeah, I can totally see how this probably feeds into the whole hustle culture. Like, everyone’s like, oh, my god, I totally want to be on the 30 Under 30. So then they break their back—
Georgie 37:13
Bend over backwards?
Geoff 37:15
Yeah, bending backwards to try and exceed this. exceed this, like, 30 Under 30 list.
Georgie 37:23
And then how do they even get noticed as the other thing, because like, I know, a lot of people around our age, who are great and stuff, and it’s like, but no bloody media outlet is gonna, you know, see what they’re doing and shit.
Geoff 37:39
It’s kinda like corporate awards, like, every, every time I see a corp, like, like a corporation win an award, you first you look at the list of the list of the entrants And then you look at the people who sponsor these awards, and then you look at the amount of money it takes to get on the like, actually get on the ticket to be voted on in terms of the award, and then you realise...
Georgie 38:07
It’s rigged.
Geoff 38:08
It’s all rigged. Like, first of all, the only people that get on that list is the people who paid of course, they’re gonna win an award.
Georgie 38:19
(laughs)
Geoff 38:19
You just paid to get on it.
Georgie 38:21
You just pay for fucking awards.
Geoff 38:23
And then like, oh, wait, but there’s hundreds of other like other people who paid to get on this one. Yeah. Then you look at the sponsor, oh, this is sponsored by the guy who gave, the got the award. Oh, okay? But of course, you know, it’s not all like that, but I remember the bank getting an award. And they’re like, we are the only bank that got the top, top into the top 10 Best Place to Work award or something like that.
Georgie 38:56
Uh huh.
Geoff 38:56
And I’m like, yeah, because banks, banks don’t enter themselves into Best Place to Work. Yeah, it’s, it’s like a marketing play, slash Great Place to Work slash like, you start telling everybody, woah, man, this bank just won an award for being the best place to work. Does that make you really want to work for the bank? Like, is that, because like banking is just boring. You see?
Georgie 39:27
Yeah, I think we used to be on there. Not anymore. But you know, like, and this is funny, because it’s like, does it mean that Campaign Monitor is not a great place to work? Not necessarily. Like we’ve just won an award a bunch of times, I guess.
Geoff 39:42
Yeah.
Georgie 39:43
Yeah. Maybe it gets gets us noticed or it gets us. I don’t know... people talking about us, but it doesn’t—
Geoff 39:50
Oh my god.
Georgie 39:50
I mean—
Geoff 39:52
In three days and 18 hours, we are going to find out who is truly the best place to work. Oh where, truly—
Georgie 40:00
In Australia.
Geoff 40:00
Truly. In Australia.
Georgie 40:03
What was last year’s? Can we just have a look? I don’t even I don’t even keep up to date with this.
Geoff 40:07
Best place to work 22... Oh here we go, list applications? No, I want the 2021. Here we go, The Recruitment Company.
Georgie 40:18
Interesting, never heard of them.
Geoff 40:19
No way, I’ve never heard of them that’s probably why you enter these awards, right? About—
Georgie 40:23
To get noticed.
Geoff 40:24
22 employees, of course it’s a great place to work at 22 employees. You know when a place doesn’t get fun to work work with, work at? When they exceed like, mmm, two, three hundred.
Georgie 40:37
Yeah, yeah.
Geoff 40:39
Starts getting a little less fun to work.
Georgie 40:41
Really want to insert name of like a certain startup here. But like, you know.
Geoff 40:46
Yeah, well—
Georgie 40:47
I mean that’s why it’s not on this list—is it on this list?
Geoff 40:50
Oh it’s not. The, but the thing is sort of like,
Georgie 40:55
Oh wait, hang on. You’re looking at different categories. There’s micro, small, medium, large.
Geoff 40:59
Oh, it’s micro, medium, large. Okay, that’s fair. Let’s go large. Cisco?
Georgie 41:03
Oh, DHL.
Geoff 41:04
DHL.
Georgie 41:05
Salesforce!
Geoff 41:08
REA group, there it is, the Big A. Atlassian, not Apple. Sorry.
Georgie 41:14
What’s the, what’s the other category?
Geoff 41:17
Well, to be fair, everyone has their own definition of best place to work.
Georgie 41:21
Mm.
Geoff 41:22
I find my place—
Georgie 41:24
ThoughtWorks.
Geoff 41:25
Ooh, BPay. ThoughtWorks I’ve heard some pretty shady stuff about ThoughtWorks.
Georgie 41:32
Wow.
Geoff 41:33
I’ve heard loads of shade stuff about Atlassian, there’s a whole website called Shitlassian.
Georgie 41:36
What really? I didn’t know this.
Geoff 41:39
Shitlassian dot com. I don’t know why I didn’t send you to this. Here we go. Shit, Shit, Shitlassian... wait. Fied me because my wife had cancer.
Georgie 41:53
Okay, that already sounds really bad.
Geoff 41:57
Hey, oh, wait a second. Where’s the original article. This isn’t the original article. Oh, here it is, termination Atlassian, gaslighting employment, law violations, hesitate to screw you over, still owes me. You know, it’s really long. Like...
Georgie 42:17
Wow. I didn’t know about this?
Geoff 42:20
Yeah. Anyways, you know what’s shit? The fact that we have to end this podcast.
Georgie 42:26
Nooo. Come work for us. We’re not a shit place to...
Geoff 42:33
Come work for the two person company that does once a week podcast. So yeah, new episodes. No, no.
Georgie 42:42
(laughs)
Geoff 42:44
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Georgie 42:54
Yeah, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the big great place to work that is Toast & Roast. I’m happy I work here.
Geoff 43:05
Yeah, I’m also happy that I don’t get paid. See you next week, new episodes, new episodes every Monday.
Georgie 43:14
Bye.