Patagonia CEO gives away his company to the planet, but are their ultra weather proof jackets even good for the planet? In other news, Geoff's travel Nintendo Switch adapter has a few problems and so does the US paper sizes, or so we think!
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Patagonia CEO gives away his company to the planet, but are their ultra weather proof jackets even good for the planet? In other news, Geoff's travel Nintendo Switch adapter has a few problems and so does the US paper sizes, or so we think!
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Georgie 0:07
Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Toast & Roast. I am your co host, Georgie and as usual, I am here with Geoff.
Geoff 0:17
Hey, hello. Hello.
Georgie 0:19
Hi.
Geoff 0:20
Hi. How are you?
Georgie 0:22
I’m doing okay.
Geoff 0:23
Right? You said, you got a new piercing though. Are you actually OK?
Georgie 0:29
I got two new piercings in my ear.
Geoff 0:31
Why did you do that?
Georgie 0:33
Cuz I wanted to. I told my piercer. I said, “My husband doesn’t get it. He’s just like, why do you do this to yourself? Like, what’s the point?” And she said, yeah, people who aren’t like into it. They just don’t really they just they say exactly that. Why would you want to do this to yourself?
Geoff 0:52
Yeah, I mean, my question is why two more? I mean, you have like a million?
Georgie 1:01
I actually don’t remember how many, I think have 11 now.
Geoff 1:06
So it? Is it that you just had two spaces? And you like, ah, yes. Get some holes there.
Georgie 1:12
You know what, that is exactly right. Like there’s space on my ear. And so for as long as there’s space on my ear, I feel like it’s fun to decorate it permanently by putting a hole there. And spending a lot of money on some, like, because it should be high quality, right? Because it’s literally going into like a wound—on high quality jewelry. So, you know, I was like, that’s what I want to spend my money on. Let’s, let’s go.
Geoff 1:40
It’s fair, fair. I mean, some people upgrade their phones every two years, and some people poke holes in the years. It’s all good.
Georgie 1:48
Did you upgrade your phone? This year?
Geoff 1:50
I haven’t yet. That’s a it’s an issue. It’s an issue. Apparently, stock is a inventory is a thing that is limited. So I must now wait patiently for stock to come back. And there’s actually this this website I found, which what’s it called? Like, iPhone, there you go, iPhone availability. And you can see that they, they check the availability of, of the iPhone. Stock inventory. Search that and look at that. Just today actually, there was a silver 1 terabyte iPhone 14 pro up for grabs.
Georgie 2:42
Why is your your screenshare taking forever?
Geoff 2:44
Don’t know.
Georgie 2:47
So you wanted that one? And they’re out of stock?
Geoff 2:51
No, no, I mean, I want the iPhone 14 Pro, but I don’t want a terabyte so I didn’t I didn’t really go for it. But yeah, generally out of stock as you can kind of see.
Georgie 3:01
Is, is it just me or just one terabyte feel rather excessive. I don’t even think my new laptop I bought is 1 terabyte.
Geoff 3:11
Well, the issue now that Apple has given itself is that you can shoot 48 megapixels, RAW. So all like photographs or something are like 80 megs a photograph. So if you’re shooting that all day, you can probably reach somewhere close to like, not enough space for the rest of your things. Whilst you’re taking photographs. What’s that? Like? I don’t think it’s too... Oh my God, why is, oh, okay. So that’s what 1024 gigabyte gigabytes is a terabyte. And 1,000,024 megabytes is a terabyte I think, divide that by 80 and you get 12,800 photos. Ish. Give or take.
Georgie 4:18
That’s a lot.
Geoff 4:19
It is a lot of photos.
Georgie 4:20
Because I think I have about double that on my phone. And my phone has photos dating back to like 2014.
Geoff 4:31
I think I have about seven to 8000 photos dating back to well, to 2000 and... Oh God, is it in the 10s, it’s less than the 10s I think, just before 10s is 2000s. Wait, when did I move to Australia? Oh it can’t have been then. (laughs) Wait, yeah, early 2010, 2012. 2012 is probably like when I’ve got my first phone. I can’t remember now.
Georgie 5:04
Yeah. So you clearly don’t take enough photos of your food and stuff.
Geoff 5:10
I cull. I used to cull, like, I go on a hike and I take like 100 ish photos and just cull it all the way down to like, 10. I do—
Georgie 5:20
Not enough selfies.
Geoff 5:22
Oh. Yeah, no, no. Well, they only just like made the front facing camera.
Georgie 5:28
Your screenshare is still not working.
Geoff 5:30
It’s not? Oh, well.
Georgie 5:32
I just get to see “Geoff has started screen sharing”. So I was I was just thinking, like, if you took, you know how I take a photo of my outfit every day—
Geoff 5:44
Oh is that why you have 12,000 photos?
Georgie 5:46
If you took a photo of your outfit every day, it would be like, “outfit on the day, I’m wearing a black shirt, black jeans”.
Geoff 5:54
Sleeves went from short to long sometimes.
Georgie 5:58
The next day, “I’m wearing a black shirt. Black jeans.”
Geoff 6:02
Black pants, like jeans, black shirt. Everything’s black. It’s actually kind of hard to see like, I opened my drawer and I’m like, I can’t tell—
Georgie 6:13
What is what?
Geoff 6:13
What is what anymore. Everything’s black.
Georgie 6:17
Yeah, actually, it’s funny. This is a bit more like, this is my underwear drawer, but a lot of my underwear is the same color. And I’m like, I can’t tell what style this one. Because it’s all blue.
Geoff 6:31
Yeah. Put the shirts there and yeah, hey, presto, you don’t know if you’re picking up underwear or shirts. All black.
Georgie 6:39
Wait, you don’t separate? Do you separate?
Geoff 6:42
All in the same drawer, I don’t have that much stuff. Like.
Georgie 6:47
Wow, you know what, one day. One day I will play a prank on you. I empty your drawer. And I will fill it with black socks. Suck shit.
Geoff 6:55
Oh man. I’ve got some black socks.
Georgie 6:58
Some. (laughs)
Geoff 7:00
They’re, I got the Lululemon socks. Is it? No, the Ecco socks, sorry, the Ecco socks.
Georgie 7:06
The Lululemon socks are pretty good, too.
Geoff 7:08
Yeah, I got I got we had had a conversation on my last day at work when we were just like, buying sustainable things. Right?
Georgie 7:17
Yeah.
Geoff 7:17
So I got the Patagonia jacket. For those who didn’t know, Patagonia’s CEO just sold—well not really sold his company, kind of gave his company away to like a bunch of environmental trusts that are like investing in environmental... What’s it? What do you call it, improving the—
Georgie 7:38
Impact?
Geoff 7:40
Impact, production, stuff like that. So he no longer owns this company, which is pretty, like, alpha—
Georgie 7:48
How do you feel about it?
Geoff 7:51
...move. I think that’s, that’s pretty good. I mean, like, what, what’s the point in his now him having his company? And like cashing in on billions of dollars when? Yeah, to be fair, most like capitalist based companies. Like I don’t know, maybe Elon Musk will probably never give up his company. But—
Georgie 8:18
No.
Geoff 8:18
He could do the same thing. And everything will probably work out except for the fact that I don’t think he’s reached really—the end game, like Patagonia is a clothing brand, so it’s end game is done. They’re just making jackets, making hats and stuff.
Georgie 8:36
So you mean there’s like no more to do? Is that what you mean?
Geoff 8:40
Yeah, I don’t know what will happen. Right? Well, I guess the company stays, innovation stays, but he himself doesn’t need to be an owner of it. So.
Georgie 8:49
So it’s just, I’m out of here. I mean, it makes sense. But I’m wondering he’s basically given the company away to like environmental activists, right. Are those are those people generally like not for profit, and then if they are now kind of they own Patagonia, does that mean they are for profit? I’m not sure sure. I just suddenly thought of that.
Geoff 9:18
Um, I think the definition of not for profit is is like just because they’re making money doesn’t mean that they’re doing it for profit. The money itself is going back into like, non non self serving things? I don’t know what’s the definition? Not for profit is this sharing?
Georgie 9:43
Your screenshare is like, nope, it’s still—
Geoff 9:46
Oh my god, well, we’re just gonna have to destroy and use a different different service now. Right so not for profit—
Georgie 10:00
Maybe yours—yeah.
Geoff 10:00
“Generally a not for profit is an organisation that does not operate for the profit personal gain or the benefit of particular people for example its members the people who run it are the friends and relatives, definition of not for profit applies both while the [indiscernible] shopping and if it closes down”—what? That makes no, that doesn’t give us anything. Oh OK. “A not for profit can direct, can provide direct benefits such as distributing money or gifts or indirect benefits such as member receiving help that is consistent with not for profit’s purpose. A staff member and sometimes responsible person may include clauses”—what, this doesn’t, it’s not helping, this is a very bad page telling me.
Georgie 10:48
I think, I think that the question we’re trying to ask is—who...
Geoff 10:59
Non for profit organisations? What does it mean?
Georgie 11:02
Like I don’t know what the actual definition is, but you know what I, know what I mean? Like it’s like you know, when something is not for profit, but it’s hard to explain. I don’t know how—I don’t know how to explain it.
Geoff 11:15
Okay, here we go.
Georgie 11:17
What if you go not for profit... versus...
Geoff 11:21
Here we go, key takeaways. “In a non for profit organisation, all funds either earned or donated must be used for pursuing the group’s objectives and paying its running costs, running costs. Nonprofit funds never go to the group’s members, directors offices, many nonprofits have a lot in common with for profit organisations and similar business tactics and management tactics to run their enterprises. Every nonprofit organisation has to manage it has to maintain compliance with the state agency that regulates [indiscernible]”. Okay, so that’s it, none of the owners members or anyone running the not for profit gets money from the from earning from the organisation earning money. So.
Georgie 12:09
Yeah, so it all gets it all gets into the—
Geoff 12:12
Yeah.
Georgie 12:13
Like fed back into running the organisation.
Geoff 12:17
Plus, plus any like, groups activities or activities or objectives that that they need to fund. So I don’t know. They gave, Patagonia got given away to... What did Patagonia get given away to? Patagonia owners... Every shirt you buy is now going to be... the money is going to go to a not for profit. Let’s see. His passion, yada yada yada. We know Patagonia is in general like supposed to be climate conscious. The interesting thing is, you know, I got a jacket that has Gore Tex in it. And for those who don’t know what Gore Tex is, it’s a very, very indestructible weather proof material. It is overkill for anything like if you’re going out and there’s a drizzle, you can use a hoodie, you don’t need like this Gore Tex materials like, you’re in the Alps.
Georgie 13:23
I would say...
Geoff 13:24
No.
Georgie 13:25
Yeah, I would say it’s useful maybe for shoes. If you want them or need them to be waterproof. You’re going on some wet hike. That makes sense to me.
Geoff 13:34
Yeah. Yeah. So generally it’s an extreme—
Georgie 13:37
So you got an overkill jacket.
Geoff 13:39
Extreme weather kind of material, but it lasts forever. And it’s actually certified can’t be biodegradable, biodegraded, so.
Georgie 13:53
Wait it can’t—
Geoff 13:54
No. Cannot be biodegraded.
Georgie 13:59
So it’s basically plastic?
Geoff 14:01
Yeah.
Georgie 14:03
Like as bad—
Geoff 14:03
Bad as plastic. It’s like so weatherproof it is like Mother Nature cannot break this jacket down at all.
Georgie 14:15
Man. Why does this seem so wrong? I didn’t know this.
Geoff 14:18
I watched a YouTube video about like the the the divisive kind of like topic between Patagonia and any of them using Gore Tex because Gore Tex is like the anti Mother Nature. But you could argue that Gore Tex because it doesn’t break down is infinitely usable. You, like just don’t throw it away and you don’t have to throw it away. It is a something that lasts forever. So.
Georgie 14:50
Yeah, that’s, that’s a good, that’s a good point actually.
Geoff 14:54
You can go buy it secondhand and it will be just as if brand new, like, because it’s literally indestructible.
Georgie 15:02
And maybe that’s the idea, right? Because like there’s so much like fast fashion that has shitty things like polyester and other stuff that does not biodegrade. So, I mean, I don’t know if it’s in Patagonia’s vision, or like are they encouraging customers to do that. They probably should. But then why do they need to start? I mean, why do they need to keep selling things? If you can just get a secondhand one that someone else has one you could continually pass down all of the existing Patagonia jackets—
Geoff 15:36
Not all Patagonia jackets have Gore Tex in them, the, only specific ones do, to be clear. (laughs) But yes, like people don’t, you could, you could make 7 billion Patagonia jackets like with Gore Tex and then say, I’m not gonna make any more because I’ve got 7 billion. But I guess the skews, like they have size extra small all the way to extra large. So 7 billion times 7? I don’t konw, 49 billion of them.
Georgie 16:02
Just you know what this reminds me of? When Oprah was like, “you get a car, you get a car”, you get a, you get a Patagonia jacket, and you get a Patagonia jacket.
Geoff 16:11
It’s like, eh, it’s bad for the planet. But also, it’s alright, because you just don’t throw it away.
Georgie 16:21
I think, I think this links back to something I brought up in a previous podcast episode about how it’s impossible to be zero waste. It’s because everything is, everything feels like it is contradicting or is a paradox. If you know what I mean.
Geoff 16:38
Yeah. Every, every time you do, like you make a conscious decision here to be less wasteful. Like maybe the production of that is more wasteful than the thing that you’ve—
Georgie 16:51
Yeah.
Geoff 16:52
...purchased, you could also just purchase nothing and just roam the earth naked.
Georgie 16:57
The “purchase nothing” is actually I think the way some people say that goes like that is the most sustainable way to live, is to just live with what you have right now. And don’t buy anything at all.
Geoff 17:06
Yeah, yeah, you know, I’m not gonna change phones after the, after I get the iPhone 14 Pro? (laughs)
Georgie 17:11
(laughs) Are you sure?
Geoff 17:16
The last phone I will ever... but that’s the problem. All of our stuff kind of breaks eventually. So yeah, I don’t know about that. Things break. I mean if it’s a—
Georgie 17:29
I think it’s, it’s normal and necessary to buy stuff when you need it. And I think it’s like needing versus like, wanting, like, I gotta be honest with you. I didn’t need these holes in my ears. Right, I wanted them. But if I leave them in there, I’ll probably die with this, these holes in my ears, with the jewellery still in there. And that’s, that’s the idea.
Geoff 17:52
I watched, watched this guy called Graham Stefan and I used to watch a lot of his stuff, and he was saying like when he thinks about something to buy he thinks of like how much ROI does he get for that, return on investment? So he’ll buy a car, he’ll only buy the car if it has a good return on investment, like if 10 years down the down the line it actually appreciates, it’s worth more, then he’ll, he’ll buy, he’ll make that kind of purchase. But yeah, it’s like a it’s like a j—if it lasts forever is it a justifiable cough if it appreciates and is worth more later down the road, is a more justifiable cost? In the end you don’t need to justify the cost to anybody but yourself, and that’s kind of like my my end for thinking about the phone because I was like trying to think of all the reasons why I buy this phone and I’m like, you know what? Who gives a shit? I don’t need to have a reason. Means, I have the means, and the ability to just have the phone because I want it. Is it wasteful? Probably, but this other phone will go to somebody else. I don’t like to throw my phones away. Oh, I decided to do the trade-in I think, I’m gonna get, I’m gonna give it to Apple.
Georgie 19:17
Oh yeah, I heard that the trade-in is like higher value now before it used to be—
Geoff 19:23
It’s still a little bit shit.
Georgie 19:24
You were better off—oh, before I think it was you were better off selling it. I think it depends on the model, like if you have a fairly recent one I think in the past two years or three years, I think the value has been has improved from last year or something. I don’t know though because I’ve never actually traded my phones in, I usually just try and sell them or give them to family members if they’re like really old.
Geoff 19:51
Yeah, I’ve given up. I’ve, I’ve given up.
Georgie 19:56
Because you don’t want that eBay shit we were talking about a few episodes ago.
Geoff 20:00
I’ve given up on selling things too, I just can’t be bothered anymore.
Georgie 20:07
Are you in that giving away mindset?
Geoff 20:09
Yeah, for some things, like I have a stack of board games, which I just don’t play anymore. And I’ve been I’ve tried to sell them, but there’s so I don’t know what you call them, they they’re not in the top, they’re niche board games, I wouldn’t say that. I mean, you can go to the store, and buy them, but they’re not on any kind of like most popular board games you would buy as a Christmas present. Or, you know, if if somebody would have to be, yeah I guess niche, have to actually look for that one board game. So I’ve decided I’m probably just gonna give them all away. Things that are like impossible to sell, or you’d have to actually come across a conversation with somebody that wants something that very specific, like hey, I just got that. But switching topics for a bit, I got this. I got this thing delivered recently. Let me show you what it is. Basically, it’s a little adapter. I’m not gonna open it up, but it’s basically a little adapter. You plug it into your wall, it has a USB C port and an HDMI port. So why would you want this? Well, it specifically I guess, for the Switch, the Switch can be powered—Nintendo Switch, gaming console—can be powered by USBC. So you plug this into the wall, plug the Switch to it, and then you can then plug a HDMI port into the ta—into the TV. You can do this with your laptop. If you have a USBC you can do this with—
Georgie 21:41
Yeah.
Geoff 21:42
Do this with anything really that is powered by USBC and HDMI. Now, the most annoying thing about this is that the plug itself is drumroll, the US plug. Right? I got—
Georgie 22:03
Where did you order this from?
Geoff 22:05
...off Kickstarter, because that’s where I get things. So it has a flat side on it and has prongs for the plug and you flip them out and they come out the bottom of the plug on the unit. And that’s it. It’s got a US plug, so I’m like what the hell.
Georgie 22:28
So now you need an adapter—
Geoff 22:29
That’s part of my debate, right? Do I sacrifice the tinyness—by the way, this fits in the palm of your hand? This is an adapter that fits in the palm of your hand. So now, do I get an adapter for my adapter here? Or do I return it?
Georgie 22:50
You could return it.
Geoff 22:51
They said that I could whether or not they’re gonna let me because I emailed them and they haven’t responded to me. So I’m gonna say that gonna be a bit of a tricky one.
Georgie 23:05
But then wouldn’t it cost you—
Geoff 23:06
Yeah, that too. The funny thing—
Georgie 23:12
Did you really want this? Or you’re just like lol Kickstarter thing, let’s go.
Geoff 23:18
I travel to Perth every year. And I take my switch so that we play games during Christmas. I thought instead of taking the I don’t know 20, 20 by 15 centimetre dock out to Perth every time I get this tiny one that I can just pop in my bag. So I reached out actually I reached out via Twitter because I had no other connect, like contact method on their website. My god. This is what we’ve come to, right. Like having to publicly shame every company.
Georgie 24:02
So you, you went, you went on Twitter and contacted them—
Geoff 24:07
You can’t—
Georgie 24:08
Direct message.
Geoff 24:09
Was their DM closed? It’s a good question. Oh, I just straight up like, just straight up, yeah, did, did a mention. Are they open? Anyways. I said like, can I get the adapter for this like because they do sell adapters. Ones that slide on and off.
Georgie 24:31
Oh they do.
Geoff 24:32
This is V2, but lo and behold, these small ones, they only made them with very distinct plugs. So they made three of them. And all three have different plugs, plugs on them. And they only support US, UK and China. I think that’s the three. Yeah.
Georgie 24:59
Surely when you like, pledge for this Kickstarter, whatever the word is. You could have, they they realised you are from Australia. And—
Geoff 25:07
They just say like, here’s the options. You pick the one that you want. Yeah, it’s all it’s all on you. So.
Georgie 25:16
Oh. Okay, so you kind of knew that it was going to be—but you expected—
Geoff 25:21
It was so long ago. I can’t remember what I was thinking. I just went, sweet. It looks cool. Hit the button. And then I, and then I found out when I got it. Oh, shit, did I pick the wrong one? Apparently, they never had an Australian one. And there we go. They locked out an entire market. It’s a travel thing.
Georgie 25:41
Totally shit.
Geoff 25:42
I don’t understand why you didn’t make this an interchangeable adapter?
Georgie 25:48
It should be you know, actually, this is a thing that I have talked to Nick about. Why can’t everywhere in the world? Why can we at least work towards universal—
Geoff 25:59
Prongs?
Georgie 26:00
You know, adapters or like provide them? Yeah, why can’t we at least provide them like in a lot of hotels? They’ll have a universal adapter, like in one spot in the hotel, which is fine. It’s better than nothing. But why can’t we have that? Everywhere? Or why can’t it? I don’t know. I don’t I’m not an electrician. Maybe somebody knows the logistics around this. But can we at least like make adapters universal adapters? More—
Geoff 26:28
Yeah. Like this should be, at least, like you said someone working towards a standard. Because it can’t just stay this way. Right? Like, people are travelling, people have been travelling for decades. And—
Georgie 26:42
And you have to carry a bunch of extra stuff. Every time you travel, you’re going to have—
Geoff 26:50
Yeah I’ve seen plugs that have like every hole, possibly, possible, right? You can just plug in whichever one.
Georgie 26:59
Like the actual—
Geoff 27:00
Oh the female—
Georgie 27:00
Or the male part has all of the problems. You mean? The female part? Oh, yeah, that’s yeah, that’s what I mean. Like they the hotels have those. And so wherever you’re traveling from, guaranteed it,
Geoff 27:12
Yeah.
Georgie 27:13
You’d be able to plug something into that spot.
Geoff 27:14
Yeah. If we lived in an ideal world, which we do not.
Georgie 27:21
(laughs)
Geoff 27:22
Yeah.
Georgie 27:24
Speaking of Kickstarter, though.
Geoff 27:25
No? Memobottle?
Georgie 27:27
And I have to talk to you about my Memobottle. Okay, do you know Do you know what Memobottle is?
Geoff 27:32
Oh, right right.
Georgie 27:33
A bottle that is shaped like rather flat. Yeah, it’s shaped rather flat and they come A5. I don’t know if it’s—
Geoff 27:42
A7?
Georgie 27:42
...if it’s universal. Yeah, but there’s that standard system of via A the A system of sheet paper sheets sheets of paper sizing. And the bottle is like I don’t know, an inch, a couple of centimetres like thick, but the size is like a rectangular bottle essentially. And I looked at them because I owned a couple in the past, actually had one of the slim ones, which wasn’t based on the A sizing but it’s like a slim tall one. And I may have mentioned this on the podcast before, but just to recap, both of them got scratched up pretty easily. They’re meant to be a reusable plastic bottle, and easy to put in like a laptop bag because of the shape and the thread of one of them, like the thread where you screw the lid, cracked rendering it entirely useless and leaking all over my bag. And then I think the other one I either had a similar problem or just got so beat up that I was like, what is the point? And they sold add ons.
Geoff 28:45
Hahaha.
Georgie 28:45
A leather case, like a thin leather case for the bottle. I’m like, what is what is the point? What is the—and so to this day, it’s like since I kind of gave up on those I have been using this thing called a Blender Bottle to drink water out of and it’s actually technically a protein shake bottle which comes in like a, like a tall bottles, it’s a round cylindrical thing and then it comes with the metal ball that helps you shake protein powder. But I’ve had this yeah, I’ve had this for like seven years maybe and it’s still in such good condition. Like the paint on the, what do you call it, branding has barely come off. The lid still snaps on really like securely and screws on as well. And it doesn’t like smell. So I started thinking what can I buy that’s like a pretty compact bottle that I could kind of put in a handbag that is quite small because that’s I think that’s my one of my problems is that a lot of water bottles, so pretty much every water bottle except for the Memobottle is round. And if you have a thin handbag, it’s, it’s a bit of a struggle to put that in. And then I came across—
Geoff 30:11
Collapsible.
Georgie 30:11
Collapsible water bottles.
Geoff 30:14
That’s a bit strange.
Georgie 30:14
I don’t know if you’ve tried them. Yeah. So if you look it up on Amazon, there’s like some, there’s a few different kinds, one of them sort of folds up. Like it’s got like a lot of triangular shapes and whatnot. I went to a market the other week and they had a rollable one. Where, yeah, so it was just made of silicone that was quite flexible. And then you could just roll it up and put a little rubber band around it.
Geoff 30:42
You can you can go with the what you ma call it? What are those they sell? The stack? Yeah.
Georgie 30:52
Yeah, hiking type ones, right? I guess I could but it’s still a bit odd to carry on handbag, I guess. But yeah, that’s my next endeavour is get get a water bottle that I can, you know, at times when the water and I finished drinking—
Geoff 31:09
Ah man.
Georgie 31:11
Fold it up and put it easily in—
Geoff 31:14
I don’t know.
Georgie 31:14
...my bag. My life has to be easy Geoff!
Geoff 31:17
I don’t know. I mean, like—
Georgie 31:19
You don’t care enough, do you.
Geoff 31:20
So so my new job doesn’t have an office in Sydney. They do have an office in Melbourne. So I’m not even going to be leaving the house ever again. So that’s it. That’s me. I don’t need a water bottle, a bottle anymore. None of this travel stuff. Because if we’re going, if I’m going out, then it’s possibly too short for a bottle or a hike, which means I need a fairly large water bottle that I’m guessing. I mean, I don’t need it to be collapsible.
Georgie 31:51
Yeah, I think I leave the house more than you do. Like I go and walk a lot. And occasionally, I feel thirsty because I’ve been walking a lot and it would have just been so convenient if I brought a bottle so I could have some relief. But yeah.
Geoff 32:09
So I don’t know if I mentioned on the podcast or not, but I’m getting, we’re getting Airtags.
Georgie 32:14
Oh, yeah. You did? I don’t think you mentioned talking about what are you going to use them for?
Geoff 32:21
So three of them are gonna be well, for the most part, it’s so that we can keep track of our suitcases because everybody’s losing their their their suitcases and travel these days.
Georgie 32:32
Wait. You know what you do? Just don’t check it in, just do cabin baggage.
Geoff 32:36
Yeah, back to our last episode about cabin baggage. But unfortunately, sometimes when you go away for more than a week, it may be required to check in something.
Georgie 32:47
Hey, I went away for three and a half weeks and I took cabin baggage.
Geoff 32:50
That says more about you than the necessity of a bag, of a suitcase.
Georgie 32:56
Well, yeah, I guess it got me stuck when I was like, I really want to bring some wine back home, but then I have to check in my bag and that was where my priority was.
Geoff 33:06
Also maybe your hygiene levels. I don’t know.
Georgie 33:10
What are you talking about? I wash my clothes.
Geoff 33:14
Yeah.
Georgie 33:16
Plan for the washing.
Geoff 33:17
Yeah, that’s a pain. I don’t know what I do actually. Do I just Yeah, I guess I’d leave—I don’t know when the last time I needed to actually get like my clothes washed whilst I’m out. In a hol—on holiday.
Georgie 33:32
If you go somewhere really hot. Makes more sense. Like you would probably need to wash your clothes more often.
Geoff 33:37
Yeah. I know. Taiyo, he hand washes his stuff. And like hand—
Georgie 33:45
Yeah, I do like socks. Yeah, like little like items and stuff.
Geoff 33:49
Yeah. I don’t remember what I did. So I’m just gonna wait for him to listen to the podcast and then me. (laughs) We were in Hong Kong together, he was like doing his laundry, and I was like, huh, that’s interesting. And I just blanked out on what I did after that thought. I think I brought enough like I just bring 14 pairs of everything.
Georgie 34:11
What the fuck! I don’t think I’ve ever brought 14 pairs of anything!
Geoff 34:14
No, I don’t think I did either.
Georgie 34:16
This is so strange. Maybe I just—
Geoff 34:20
Trolling.
Georgie 34:20
Maybe I just find our differences like kind of—
Geoff 34:23
Trolling, I’m trolling. Oh, yeah. So US paper sizes, back to your Memo water bottle. I remember this—
Georgie 34:31
Yes.
Geoff 34:32
...US paper size fact.
Georgie 34:34
Is it Us? I thought it was—because we use—
Geoff 34:37
The A size is universal but in the United States, they have a different paper.
Georgie 34:41
All right, OK.
Geoff 34:42
Like with everything.
Georgie 34:43
Is it Imperial? Is it totally imperial?
Geoff 34:46
Like they have it in millimetres and inches, inches here, but they have names different names. So we have A, A3 or A4, whatever, five. Whatever.
Georgie 34:57
Yeah, we also have B and C.
Geoff 34:58
So we have A1 to A5 and B’s and C’s.
Georgie 35:02
Actually A goes to seven.
Geoff 35:03
Does it? Ooh.
Georgie 35:05
Yeah. Yeah.
Geoff 35:07
Anyways, we’ll stick with the—
Georgie 35:08
I still cannot see your screen. So you’re gonna have to—
Geoff 35:11
Yeah. So we have half letter paper size. Letter paper size. Wait for it—not double, not large but legal paper size. Not half legal paper size but Junior legal paper size, and here’s the kicker, Ledger paper size.
Georgie 35:36
You know, what is funny is yeah, this does sound strange, because it sounds so imperial, like considering the imperial like the system. But I’m also kind of surprised by some of these names. But it’s hard for me to then understand what is the actual size compared to each other? Like the relative size? Yeah. So wait, you said halfway?
Geoff 36:00
Yeah, half, half letter.
Georgie 36:03
So did you read them in order?
Geoff 36:04
Yeah, read them in size order, I think, yeah.
Georgie 36:07
Okay, so you’ve got—
Geoff 36:08
Oh no no, actually, legal paper size is eight and a half inches by 14 inches, the half letter paper size is five and a half. And Junior legal paper size is actually five by eight inches. So it’s slightly shorter. The Junior legal paper is slightly shorter and slightly thinner than half letter size.
Georgie 36:34
Oh, you know what, but like in in the A and B stuff? I think our B is that, our B is slightly narrower? And I think, is it, wait, did you say taller or?
Geoff 36:48
Both, it’s half an inch both shorter and tall, and shorter.
Georgie 36:52
Oh, okay. I think our B is actually like taller and narrower.
Geoff 36:58
Let’s see a conversion.
Georgie 36:59
But then hang on, what, you said five by eight? You know what, I think? When you print photos, I know, who prints photos—
Geoff 37:08
For those who don’t know what printing a photo is?
Georgie 37:12
You can sometimes do this at the department store with a USB or something else. I’m not sure what options they have. But I think a standard portrait or landscape photo is actually five by eight.
Oh yeah, here we go.
It sounds very familiar.
Geoff 37:30
All the way to A9, A10, A11, A12 A13. And then there’s 2AO, and 4AO, and A—or A0? Yeah, A0 plus A1 plus A3 plus man, we’ve gone gone a bit. Got a bit crazy here. But have a look. See, A5 is 5.8 by 8.3 inches. That’s the closest. A5 is the closest thing to a half letter size. But it kind of gets me thinking about work, you know, like, a little bit about how you know A’s through A0 all the way through to A13 really doesn’t mean very much. It’s like a relative, it’s a relative sizing unit. But then America has is using a more what we call semantic whereas like this is what you actually use this piece of paper for.
Georgie 38:30
Yeah.
Geoff 38:31
So does size even matter if you know exactly what you’re using it for? Maybe.
Georgie 38:40
Yeah, actually, we don’t yeah, we don’t use we don’t have—because we don’t have the semantic meanings. I’m starting to think like in school did they make you get A4 or like a... So they were always like, you’re gonna get A4. But then I was wondering like, what? Why? Because—oh, now I know. Because when the teachers have to mark your shit, and they have to pick up your books, and you have a smaller book that you—you’re the asshole.
Geoff 39:10
Yeah, give everyone with uniform with A4 then picking up the sheet, marking it, throwing it over and if you had a smaller sheet then they wouldn’t be able to like pick up at the same location, they’d have to like...
Georgie 39:22
Yeah, and then in a pile, it would just be kind of awkward.
Geoff 39:26
So then it would be like school book size, school book Paper Size, or High School Entrance Exam size paper size?
Georgie 39:43
Yeah, I don’t know. Like they call them all exercise books. But there’s nothing to actually like name them—oh, you know, grid paper. Yeah. What do you use grid paper for?
Geoff 39:55
Oh man, I think we did to plot stuff. I don’t know, dots on the X Y axis, making graphs.
Georgie 40:05
It was... Yeah, it was for maths right. You wouldn’t use it for like...
Geoff 40:09
Yeah.
Georgie 40:10
Other subjects. The grid was always like.
Geoff 40:14
Yeah, I used it to maybe do some, like, top down, like floor plans. That’s that was pretty handy. I played a lot Sims. I wanted to be an architect.
Georgie 40:33
You know what, you know, the, wait, did you enjoy the Sims, generally?
Geoff 40:38
In the past, yeah, I guess I did enjoy it.
Georgie 40:42
Because because I was that person who spent like, half an hour, maybe making my Sim, customising it so I can look like me. And then, and then it got to playing the actual game. And I was like, I gotta build a house. Fuck this. And then I just bailed. I didn’t understand the appeal.
Geoff 41:07
Just briefly, I started playing a little bit of Minecraft. And just recently—
Georgie 41:14
Oh yeah, recently.
Geoff 41:15
I had the same, I had the same kind of thing, thinking along the same lines, where it’s sort of like, when you’re building a house or building a base, it was very much like, I just want a square or something like that, like a square of room, just very utility, put a bed in a square room, and have some chests to store your shit. And it got me thinking, in an infinite universe, this is literally infinite, you can do anything you want it. And I chose exactly what I would prefer in like, in real life. You know? And it’s kind of really funny.
Georgie 41:59
(laughs) Yeah, yeah yeah.
Geoff 41:59
Yourself also, in Sims, infinite options, you can make yourself look like anything, anyone, and you chose to make it reflect yourself.
Georgie 42:11
(laughs) I’ve never actually I’ve never actually thought about this. Now that you mention it. It sounds...
Geoff 42:16
Do we lack imagination, maybe? Does it mean that we just want familiarity?
Georgie 42:23
No it does not!
Geoff 42:23
Probably. But it’s pretty strange.
Georgie 42:27
Wait, I think, I think because we’ve given the opportunity to be like there’s infinite possibilities. Then we’re like, oh, I’m gonna make it something I like, which is maybe the way you currently live or the way you currently dress or whatever. So it’s probably just a very human—
Geoff 42:46
It’s a valid greenfield project. You know, like, you can build anything you want, with the, faced with infinity, we have to find some restriction. And the restriction is like, what we are familiar with.
Georgie 43:01
Maybe it’s not so much the restriction but the fact that you have a choice. Yeah. And that’s the choice you made.
Geoff 43:06
And with that note. The choice we’re making now is to end this podcast. So follow us on @toastroastpod on Twitter.
Georgie 43:19
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Geoff 43:28
And new episodes every Monday. See you next week.
Georgie 43:32
Bye.